Raygun Deserved The Gold Medal

2 Bears, 1 Cave with Tom Segura & Bert Kreischer

Tom Segura and Bert Kreischer discuss the dangers of one-sided media narratives, specifically referencing documentaries that shape stories witho

Key takeaways

Bert discusses how 'The Pastor's Wife' documentary uses selective excerpts to create a specific narrative about a pastor.
The hosts argue that Raygun's breakdancing performance was a genius way to stand out by intentionally avoiding standard moves.

Main topics

Media manipulation in documentaries
Raygun and Olympic breakdancing

Notable quotes

Reading Instagram comments is like going on WebMD, finding a disease, and then going out and actively trying to get it.

Conclusion

The episode serves as a meditation on authenticity and the importance

Transcript preview

Speaker 3 (0:00) 100 % Pow. What's up? Brand new Four Bears. Four Bears. What the fuck? Four Bears. Four Bears. Two Bears. Hey, Tom, I chat GPT'd a bunch of my takes today, so they should be, like, not controversial. Speaker 2 (0:19) Oh, cool. Yeah. Chat always says what's up. No, chat Speaker 3 (0:23) really does, because I feel like every opinion I have is absolutely against the grain of the internet. Is it? I feel like it. Maybe it's just in my head. Dude, I am doing so much work in therapy right now, you have no fucking idea. Are Speaker 2 (0:42) you Speaker 3 (0:42) really? You have no idea. Like, I am doing all the hard work. But let's get back to my bad takes. Okay. Have you seen The Pastor's Wife on Netflix? I have Speaker 2 (0:52) not. Is that Speaker 3 (0:53) a Speaker 2 (0:53) doc? It's a hit job is what it is, but yeah, it's a doc. What is the, wait, what's the premise of it? Is it a crime thing? Speaker 2 (1:03) I got Speaker 3 (1:04) fucking destroyed by my daughters and wife. What did you get destroyed for? So it's a documentary about a pastor who's overbearing, cheats. He's not a great guy, clearly. But he's a man of the Lord. He's a man of the Lord, but it's questionable because he's been cheating. I don't know. He's not the greatest guy in the world. Okay. Allegedly. I guess I'm just going off what I saw in this doc. Sure. His wife has a mental break. It's his second wife. He cheated on his first wife with this lady who was also married. They have an affair. She gets on to pills, not pills, on to meds because she has a mental break. And then Speaker 2 (1:44) throughout the story, she kills Speaker 3 (1:47) herself at the very end. Spoiler alert. I guess you're supposed to say spoiler before you say the thing. Before you talk about Speaker 2 (1:52) the thing. She Speaker 3 (1:53) kills herself. Spoiler alert. Speaker 2 (1:54) Okay. That would upset me if I were listening. And I was like, oh yeah, that's queued up for tonight. Speaker 2 (2:05) Okay, really cool. Speaker 3 (2:09) I just came in you spoiler alert. Spoiler alert, you're pregnant. Spoiler alert, you're pregnant. So people don't use spoiler alert enough, I don't think. Speaker 2 (2:22) Yeah, they usually, they say that and then they talk about the thing. Speaker 3 (2:26) Cops should do that and just go, spoiler alert, you're getting arrested. Yeah, or you're under arrest, Speaker 2 (2:32) spoiler alert. Speaker 3 (2:33) Yeah. So, so. Speaker 3 (2:38) They don't interview the dude. Now, it's just an interview of the girl's family. The girl's got a tragic history. This is the second wife? This is the second wife. She's like, I think she's an islander or something. And so, I don't know, Tom. I barely paid attention. Yeah, brown. She's brown. Doesn't sunburn. Good hair. Good body. And so... The whole documentary is told from her perspective, from her family's perspective about how this guy is responsible for her suicide. However, they just take excerpts of his sermons as in using him that for his interview. So, yeah. So it's really without talking to him. It's almost like this is what triggered me is like, I've seen them do it to Joe. I've seen them do it to you. I know they're doing it to me, but when people do content on us and just use clips from our podcast out of context, and you're like, wait, I didn't say that. That's not what that was about. Speaker 2 (3:46) Because you can shape a narrative you want. That's how skilled documentary makers... I mean, honestly, I had experience in that a little bit when I used to work in reality TV. Yeah. Like in post, and I worked in the story department too, but the really... talented people at that they shape a story based on things you've said and they can create a whole thing yeah dude Speaker 3 (4:07) last comic standing too they made it look like i hated ant because he was gay and i was and i was like dude this is national television i mean yes i didn't like his lifestyle choice yeah but i never said that out loud do you remember ant Was he the little short guy? He was like, yeah. Rogan called him out because he stole a joke. Boxing's gay. It's a prize fight. You're fighting a Speaker 2 (4:34) girl. Speaker 3 (4:34) He called him Speaker 2 (4:34) out on the show. On the show. That's right. Yeah. On the show, he called him out. And then Speaker 3 (4:40) I, Ant was a, look, I've since talked to Ant, so I'm not bringing up old beef with Ant. I don't even know if he's, I don't know what he's doing. I ran into him at an airport one time and we're good. But. He was aggressive and he knew how to play the document. He knew how to play the reality show game. So he and he was Kind of fucking with me like everything he did was like a jab and I was like wow What is this and they're like so it seems like you don't like aunt I was like I don't and then they're like can you say that in a sentence? I was like I don't like aunt and they made it about him being gay and I was like wait what the fuck? Speaker 2 (5:13) But I like how you're like they made it seem like I don't like aunt and then you're like so I said I don't like aunt I Speaker 3 (5:17) didn't like him. I didn't like him, but I didn't like him because he was gay. I just didn't like him Speaker 2 (5:21) Right. And so. Sometimes the two line up. Speaker 3 (5:24) Yeah. Yeah. And so I watched this documentary as if it was a reality show. They formed this guy's narrative without interviewing him. And I just said casually, and there's two sides to every story, my daughter's lost their fucking mind. There's not two sides to any story. This woman killed herself, Dad. This is what happened to Lindsay Clancy. Dad, you have to understand. And I'm like, oh, my God. Speaker 2 (5:51) But did you tell them they were just being dumb broads? Like, for getting that emotional about not having all the information? Well, Speaker 3 (5:57) Tom, we're working on it in therapy. I'll tell you that much. Oh, nice. Because I feel like it's me against the world sometimes. Yeah. And I'm backed into a corner, and I start pulling out guns and shooting people. It doesn't matter who the fuck's on my team. Speaker 2 (6:08) But you really can't actually believe. When it's a story in a documentary, you can't believe whatever the version fed to you from that doc. You can choose to, but that's never the whole story. It's never. It's never. And, you know, I think there should be some sort of – And they fuck with you. They fuck with – like, did you watch the Jesse Smollett doc? Yes. It's so clearly what, like, his plan and he did all that. He did everything that he's accused of. But you watch the doc and you catch yourself going like, oh, yeah, maybe it wasn't all him. And then you have to snap yourself out of it. Can Speaker 3 (6:48) I tell you the one that I'm upset about that I don't know if I should believe now? What? Speaker 3 (6:55) I know this. I can't believe I'm going to say, hang on one second. Let me just ask ChatGPT what my take should be. Oh, boy. Hang on. Let's just get this in there. Speaker 2 (7:06) I remember you used to be big on 9-11 was the Jews. Is that what you're talking about? Nope. Oh. Maybe you evolved from Speaker 3 (7:14) that one? Did Michael Jackson kill his children? Okay, let's see. ChatGPT is telling me right now that... is genuinely contested so there's factual record rather than a verdict but like but like but he did he Speaker 2 (7:37) did settle for a lot i know but i wonder at a certain point like if they here's what's crazy is Speaker 3 (7:45) like i i'm i'm gonna i can't really speak of like personal instances but like I can speak of outside instances. Like, let's do Shane Gillis. He's a very simple one that you can manage your head around. So when the stuff comes out about the Asian stuff, the very, very beginning of his career, right? And it comes out. And it can get as big as it's going to get, or it can go away if he settles. Even if he goes, I'm not that guilty. Wouldn't it just be easier to settle and be like, dude, I'll play reparations to all Speaker 2 (8:22) the Asian people. Just, I don't, I want this to go away. I see what you're saying. Like, and so at a certain Speaker 3 (8:27) point, Speaker 1 (8:27) I, Speaker 3 (8:28) I, I remember my dad saying, uh, we had one of our friends got accused of one of our friends got accused of sex stuff. And I was like, I called my dad. I go, I was like, um, why does, why doesn't he just fight it? And he goes, buddy, it's so much easier just to like, in life, in anything, just to shut the fuck up. Speaker 2 (8:54) It is. It is easier. And it is easier to settle. That part's true. But then there's certain things where you go, I'm just not fucking doing this. Like, I'm not going with this. Like with Depp, right? When Amber heard, he was just like, no, no. I'm going to go to court. I'm going to spend the money. I'm going to do all this, spend the time. But was that the right thing to do for Johnny Depp? I think so, 100%. I Speaker 3 (9:17) mean, I think so, Speaker 2 (9:18) but I was always on his team. Yeah, I think a lot of people were, but he was like, I'm not going to stand for this. Because he, in his heart of hearts, was like, no, this is not true. You're lying. Speaker 3 (9:30) So what's the amount of bees where you start swatting at them? That's the point, right? So like, God, let's take a minute for a brilliant analogy. Speaker 3 (9:41) That's a brilliant, I just gave a brilliant, I've given two brilliant analogies this weekend. Speaker 2 (9:47) My Speaker 3 (9:47) daughter's boyfriend came to visit, Isla's, and he had never had Thai food. And he was like, what does it taste like? Hey, Speaker 2 (9:59) yo, Mr. B, what's this shit taste like? Like that? I never had some shit like that. Speaker 3 (10:19) It tastes like sushi. The football season is heating up and every week feels bigger with DraftKings. DraftKings is now live in all 50 states. One app. All the football nationwide. New DraftKings customers sign up with code BEARS. Spend $5 to get $150 in rewards within 14 days. 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Take 10 minutes. to get covered today with life insurance through Ethos. Get your free quote at ethos.com slash bears. That's E-T-H-O-S dot com slash bears. Applications times may vary. Rates may vary. I don't fuck with raw shit. He didn't... He had never had time. Yeah. Speaker 2 (12:33) Cook? You cook that shit? Speaker 3 (12:38) I'm in Atlanta. So... I said, it was Georgia Island Leanne, and no one knew how to explain it. And I said, have you ever had purple Doritos? He said, yeah. I go, that's Thai food. Georgia looked at me, she goes, that was genius. That was the best way to explain it to a kid, was have you ever had purple Doritos? Speaker 2 (13:03) But Speaker 3 (13:04) the best analogy I've ever said in my life, and I've hit some bangers out of this fucking park lately, Speaker 2 (13:09) is... I'll tell you another Speaker 3 (13:12) one. I said another great analogy, Tom. I said the other day, reading Instagram comments is like going on WebMD, finding a disease, and then going out and actively trying to get it. Speaker 2 (13:22) Yeah, Speaker 3 (13:23) that's true. How many bees until you start swatting? And that's the question. Rogan, when it was like he took ivermectin or didn't believe in the vaccine. At first, it was like just a couple of Bs by his face. And then CNN goes at him and he's like, God damn it. Here we go. We're at it. Speaker 2 (13:47) Yeah, he could have made that even a bigger thing if he wanted to. Yeah. He could have. Dude. Like he could have. He could have. Speaker 2 (13:55) like actually gone after them in a more intense way, for sure. Speaker 3 (14:02) It's crazy because I've talked to a couple people now lately who have dealt with being misrepresented in the media. And it's so fascinating because there's no repercussions. There's none. There's none there's none and social media has made it that anyone can misrepresent you at any given time You just have to roll with it And that's the thing is you do until you reach Speaker 2 (14:28) something that you don't which is back to your Speaker 3 (14:30) analogy Yeah, until you go. All right, that's too far like I gotta I gotta be honest with you I've had friends going through stuff and I've wanted to respond to what they're going through Online because it upsets me and I end up because I don't really look at anything about myself But things about my friends will come up and then I'm like, that's not accurate. That's not fucking accurate. And I will argue with someone who says something about a friend of mine because it upsets me. Speaker 2 (14:57) Oh, thanks, man. I appreciate that. You're welcome, Tom. You're welcome. I am. Speaker 3 (15:03) I have lost fucking sleep about things people have said about you. Thanks, buddy. I love you. What are Speaker 2 (15:08) you going to say anything about my movie beard? Speaker 3 (15:10) I love it. I love that you really leaned into like the Eddie Murphy style of acting. Like you really are a clump. Like you like, yeah, you're like, I'm not just Tom, I'm Tommy. Speaker 3 (15:27) I love, I love, uh, what is the movie you're doing at Santino when you were redoing broke black mountain or something? Speaker 2 (15:33) Something like that. Yeah. It's like we're in Atlanta and we, um, we can't pay rent and we're in this black housing complex and then they just pass us around. It's crazy though. Like we, we negotiate to food to stay there. Can Speaker 3 (15:47) I pitch you an idea that I think is a brilliant idea that we should do? Yeah. It's called get back in the closet. Speaker 3 (15:55) And we go into a celebrity's closet and you don't know who that celebrity is. And we go through their shit in like 10 minutes and you have to figure out who that celebrity is. And at the end of the video. Speaker 2 (16:08) Did you get hit up to do that fridge show? What fridge show? What's her name was like? A celebrity was like, can I look in your fridge? That Speaker 3 (16:17) was her Speaker 2 (16:18) show. No. Who is it? What was the girl's Speaker 3 (16:20) name? I'm trying to Speaker 2 (16:20) think. Tori Spelling. No. Speaker 3 (16:23) Can Speaker 2 (16:23) I tell you a great Tori Spelling story? Great. We're going to edit all this out, aren't we? Oh, yeah. Never mind. Okay. By the way, speaking of movies, last night, for the sixth time, I watched Tenet, another Christopher Nolan movie. Speaker 2 (16:42) Every time I feel like I maybe grasp another percent of this completely non-Lanier storytelling. And I'm kind of like, is this the one where you assume your audience is too smart? Because I feel like a fucking moron watching this movie. And it's so cool. So like the cool factor is like Mission Impossible Bourne level. But following what's going on, I'm like, what? There's so much new information in every scene. And I'm like, I don't understand what I'm watching. I have. Am I the only one? I can't be, right? I have Speaker 3 (17:22) the greatest thing. I'm going to see if I can find it. If I can't find it, I'll re-get it for you. So when Tenet came out, it was during the pandemic, right? It may have been. I think so because Isla and I, Isla would say to me, do you want to watch it again? We watched it maybe 12 times. Now. Our buddy produced that movie. Our good, good friend produced that movie. Yeah. And so after like the sixth time, Isla and I called him. We're like, yo, we really don't understand this movie. And he sent us, for lack of better words, their Bible. Please, dude. And it was a way for the people working on the movie to understand what the movie was about so they knew what the movie they were working on. Speaker 2 (18:04) I had the thought today, I think because I watched it right as I'm about to shoot a movie, I had the thought that I was like, when these actors got this script, were they like, what the fuck is this movie? What am I doing? Like, how does this make sense? The Speaker 3 (18:20) craziest was watching our buddy have to clear locations. I mean, this is... I think what holds me up. Will you please track this down for me? I will. This Bible. I will. It is fascinating. And by the way, Isla and I still watched it six more times and never understood the movie with the Bible in our hand. Speaker 2 (18:37) I have to have it. Please. Speaker 3 (18:40) Can I tell you what I love about, what's his name? Not Patterson. Nolan. He uses all Speaker 2 (18:47) the same people, kind of. Yeah, he does. He does. You know what I caught last night, obviously, because I hadn't watched it in a while? And towards the end, when John David Washington is talking to the Indian woman, Speaker 3 (19:03) she Speaker 2 (19:04) brings up Oppenheimer. And she references him several times. Speaker 3 (19:09) Yeah. Speaker 2 (19:10) And then you're like, oh shit, this must have been like laying the