Joe Rogan Simply Could Never

You're So Right

Rachael and Caitlin navigate a chaotic episode ranging from the struggles of parenting sick children to deep dives into historical mysteries

Key takeaways

• Caitlin shares her history of being blocked by influencer Carrie Locker following a disagreement over postpartum nursing carts.
• The hosts explore the theory that the Voynich Manuscript may be an ancient, coded period tracker used by women.

Main topics

• Parenting and childhood illness
• Influencer drama and Instagram blocking

Notable quotes

Joe Rogan could simply never.

Conclusion

A stream-of-consciousness exploration of modern culture, personal grow

Transcript preview

Speaker 2 (0:21) Hi. How Speaker 1 (0:22) are you? Speaker 2 (0:23) I'm better than you. I just heard her crying again in the driveway. Speaker 1 (0:29) So tough. It's so tough. When they Speaker 2 (0:32) don't feel good and they're sick, it's just... But they refuse Speaker 1 (0:35) to act like they're sick. That's the problem. It's like... It's a fine line. Speaker 2 (0:40) Oh, no. Speaker 1 (0:40) You're getting a different dress now? Because she's saying they're not cozy? Speaker 2 (0:45) Poor Tyler. Speaker 1 (0:47) What Speaker 2 (0:47) does cozy mean to her? Does she have like a Speaker 1 (0:49) nightgown situation? Does she want to wear pajamas? Speaker 2 (0:53) She could just really lean into being sick and wear pajamas out of the house. Speaker 1 (0:57) Or just like lean into being me at this point Speaker 2 (0:59) in Speaker 1 (1:00) time and that's all we're wearing. Does she want to wear pajamas? Like Joe Rogan could simply never. Speaker 2 (1:05) Never? Are you kidding me? Theo Vaughn, you think he's starting his podcast with a banger Speaker 1 (1:09) beginning like this? Absolutely not. This is Speaker 2 (1:12) what they call a cold open or a... This is a cold open. This is a very cold. This is a bit, you guys. Very cold. Speaker 1 (1:22) Okay. Just stop. If it doesn't work out, just come back inside. He's trying. I have to Speaker 2 (1:27) say he's trying so hard to get them away from you. And I really appreciate that about him. Speaker 1 (1:34) He's not complaining. He's not self Speaker 2 (1:37) -martyring himself. He's willing to take one for the team. It's about to Speaker 1 (1:40) happen, though. Speaker 2 (1:40) Uh-oh. Is she about to blow? Speaker 1 (1:42) Get out of the car. Speaker 1 (1:44) Okay, so for anybody who's... It's not happening? Just stop trying. We're not going to bring every article of clothing she owns into the car. Oh Speaker 2 (1:54) my Speaker 1 (1:54) God, okay. Speaker 2 (1:55) So Speaker 1 (1:55) my middle daughter's ill. And she's ruining all of our lives. Speaker 2 (1:59) And that's all you need to know. Oh my God. Was she really too sick to send to school? Speaker 1 (2:05) At this point, I'm thinking yes, because of how she's acting. Yeah. But, like, I would love an illness that just Speaker 2 (2:12) makes them, like, lay. That's the thing. You need one that takes them fully. Yeah, you need one that takes them fully out. Otherwise, it's really just not worth it. You Speaker 1 (2:21) know what I'm really over, too? These children's illnesses that are like one day and then you think they're fine. And then they like get sick again like two days later. I Speaker 2 (2:30) know. Well, because then you get like the looks or the calls from the school where it's like they're still sick. And it's like, no, they were sick. Then they weren't. Now they are again. It's not still. No, it's something Speaker 1 (2:39) new. It's again. And we're now, she stayed home from school last Friday. So now we're a week. I just can't. Anyways, how are Speaker 2 (2:46) you? I'm fine. Somebody actually asked me on Instagram in my Q &A this week, like, how do you keep your kids healthy during sick season? And I'm like, what? Nobody's doing that. That's not a Speaker 1 (2:56) thing. That's not like that's why it's called sick season. Like, I don't know. Yeah. Like, you have any pray. We're sick every other week. Like, what do Speaker 2 (3:04) you Speaker 1 (3:04) want me to say? No. Well, have you? But I don't get that. I Speaker 2 (3:07) don't Speaker 1 (3:07) get Speaker 2 (3:07) anxiety about that. What? Speaker 1 (3:10) Have you tried putting onions in their socks when they're asleep? I've tried everything. I've Speaker 2 (3:13) tried the onions. I've tried the limes. I mean... Speaker 1 (3:16) Well, isn't the limes for sleep? Speaker 2 (3:19) You Speaker 1 (3:20) put a bunch Speaker 2 (3:20) of Speaker 1 (3:20) limes in a Speaker 2 (3:21) bowl Speaker 1 (3:21) and you throw them in your head or something? I Speaker 2 (3:23) don't fucking know. Speaker 1 (3:24) You know... We talk a lot about chachis. And that just feels like something ChachiBT would say. What, to put onions in Speaker 2 (3:32) their room? Speaker 1 (3:33) No, to put like a bowl of limes next to their bed and then they're going to sleep better or something. Speaker 2 (3:37) Yeah. Speaker 1 (3:37) And then you're Speaker 2 (3:38) like, Speaker 1 (3:38) that doesn't make any sense. And you're like, you're right. Thanks for pushing back on that. That doesn't make any sense. Oh, Speaker 2 (3:44) my Speaker 1 (3:44) God. We have fun here. Did you see they're going to build data centers in space? Speaker 2 (3:52) Anyway. I did see an article this week that San Francisco doesn't even know how many data centers we have. So that's cool. Like somebody asked somebody from the city how many we have slash are planning on building. And they were like, we don't know. Can't keep track. Okay. So Speaker 1 (4:07) I was like, that's good. Great. That's Speaker 2 (4:08) great. That's Speaker 1 (4:09) great. You know, Rachel, this week I've been trying to really grow as a person because I'm growing outwardly. And so I feel like maybe my internal should grow as well. Did you say why? I said why. Okay. Let's focus on one thing at a time. Sometimes these things come to me. And I was telling you about this, so I'm going to tell our Secret Sister Circle friends. So there's this influencer out there, okay? Okay. Rachel? Yeah. Yes, I'm with you. Keep going. And something about her really triggers me in an unnecessarily unhealthy way. Yes. And I don't think the key also is I don't think she likes me or I trigger her or something. We've mutually we follow each other. But you decided gauge on anything that the other does. Right. This Speaker 2 (5:00) is the one that has been an issue for you for like two years. Right. Just want to make sure I'm thinking of the right ones. So Speaker 1 (5:07) anyways, I just was like, I don't want to live my life as a grown adult woman being triggered by somebody I don't know on the internet. Like, that's crazy. And like, I already muted her because this is what I say to people on my Instagram all the time. If somebody's bothering you, if somebody's triggering you, mute them, unfollow them, block them. Like, do all those things. You don't Speaker 2 (5:23) have Speaker 1 (5:23) to do it. But then I was like, but I still don't like the fact that I am triggered by this person, even if she's muted. I don't like that I let somebody, like, that's so stupid. Well, you know what they say. I Speaker 2 (5:35) should be worrying about space Speaker 1 (5:35) data centers. Speaker 2 (5:36) You know what they say about people that trigger you? Speaker 1 (5:39) They're mirrors of you. Speaker 2 (5:40) Yeah. So something about her is reflecting back something you don't like about yourself, perhaps. I love so much about me, though. Remember? I was going to say this doesn't sound right. It doesn't sound right. It's not really Speaker 1 (5:52) hitting for me, actually, unfortunately. I'm sorry. That's not the case. Because I think the problem is, do we have 20 minutes? Everybody lean back like we're on a therapist chair. So I've realized a core need of me is to be celebrated and seen and validated. That's a real big thing for me. I Speaker 2 (6:08) thrive off of Speaker 1 (6:09) that. Speaker 2 (6:09) Okay? Yes. Speaker 1 (6:10) So I believe that when somebody else is getting opportunities or follows, the... That means somebody is choosing to celebrate someone other than me. Speaker 2 (6:22) Continue. This is very brave of you to say into a microphone. So brave. Speaker 1 (6:27) I realize it sounds insane. No, it doesn't. Speaker 2 (6:30) I think it's actually very honest. And a lot of other people probably would say something similar if they had the balls to do so. Speaker 1 (6:37) As I've said, you know, I learned this line from Stassi Schroeder. I'm unburdened by the anchors of embarrassment. Right, which is great. It's Speaker 2 (6:45) a Speaker 1 (6:45) great Speaker 2 (6:45) quality. Because as you're saying it, I'm like, why wouldn't I say this out loud? Speaker 1 (6:50) Right. Right. I know. I know. Like, you don't even see it. Okay. I don't even know where I am right now. Anyways. So this person potentially triggers you Speaker 2 (7:02) because she gets a lot of really cool opportunities that you would like to have. Yeah, Speaker 1 (7:06) maybe. Speaker 2 (7:07) Which is a normal feeling, especially in this job where it's just constant public. Speaker 1 (7:13) Humiliation rituals. Speaker 2 (7:14) Yeah. Everybody's so public about their wins and their highs and their cool things that they get to do. Speaker 2 (7:24) It's hard to not compare yourself. Speaker 1 (7:27) Yeah. So I chose to lean all the way in. And I was like, you know what? This is going to be like exposure therapy. And I'm going to start commenting on her content. And I'm going to start actively consuming her content. And Speaker 2 (7:40) I commented Speaker 1 (7:41) on one thing. And I was like, I can't do Speaker 2 (7:45) this. I was Speaker 1 (7:46) going to say, Speaker 2 (7:47) you killed her with kindness. Oh, but anyways. But that was too much. That was a bridge too far. Speaker 1 (7:54) Well, you know what else I found when I was looking through? That'd be like Speaker 2 (7:56) me snuggling up to taking care of babies and being like, hey, girl. Speaker 1 (8:00) 100%. Speaker 2 (8:01) There's no need for that. Speaker 1 (8:03) I will say, yeah, so I'm moving on from that. I will say, I've been doing this thing to try to manage my photos in my Instagram, in my camera roll, which is that you look up the date. That it is. And then you delete pictures from that day. Can I take credit for this? I swear I told you Speaker 2 (8:20) to do this. Sure, sure, sure. Okay, good. Are you liking that strategy? It's a good one. I'm Speaker 1 (8:24) loving that strategy until I see how young and vibrant and alive I used to be. That's the problem. That's Speaker 2 (8:29) dark. I don't recommend doing it when you're freshly postpartum. No. Speaker 1 (8:34) But I did stumble upon screenshots from when I have another influencer who I... Can I say names on here, do you think? Who cares? Speaker 2 (8:44) Okay. So, you guys, Speaker 1 (8:46) Carrie Locker hates me. Oh, Speaker 2 (8:48) my God. I can't believe you said it. We've been skirting around that one for a long time. Am I going to? This goes way back in the lore. Speaker 1 (8:57) No, because you're not saying anything bad. It's just a vibe you get. Because listen, listen, this is how I found the screenshot of when it started. So, when I was pregnant with my middle daughter, who is now three. Who's now three. Yeah. I had. 10,000 followers. I had 15,000 followers at this time. Okay. First Speaker 2 (9:16) of all, that's insane that you grew 300,000 followers in three years, by the way. Speaker 1 (9:21) Thank Speaker 2 (9:22) you. Speaker 1 (9:22) You're welcome. Because sometimes I'm like, what's, you know, okay. No, that's crazy. So Speaker 2 (9:25) she Speaker 1 (9:27) is the queen of the nursing cart, right? That's like her thing where it's like you do this nursing cart. And I did that with my first from her. I did the whole thing. I bought her like, yeah, she's all about it. So I only have 15,000 followers. She at this point has 800,000, 700,000. Like she's on a different stratosphere. Yeah, for sure. And Speaker 2 (9:48) I Speaker 1 (9:48) posted in my like getting ready for postpartum, like I'm not going to do a nursing cart. That was just like so unnecessary to me. It was just like this giant fuck ass cart in my house. That you didn't use. That I didn't use because I Speaker 2 (10:01) don't also Speaker 1 (10:02) live in like a multi-story home. And you didn't pump. And I didn't pump. And I also just was like, I don't need to be lugging a cart around with me. I much prefer a Speaker 2 (10:11) basket. Speaker 1 (10:12) Well, that's what I said. I said I'm going to do postpartum baskets where I'm just going to put things in little baskets and I'll just bring my little basket wherever I need to go and I'll have my basket by my bedside, et cetera, et cetera. Speaker 2 (10:20) And then you can take it into the car, by the way. Speaker 1 (10:22) You Speaker 2 (10:22) can Speaker 1 (10:22) take it into the car. Yeah, pro tip. And she commented on that and said, well, I love a basket or I love a nursing cart. And I think a lot of people love them, but I get like, I think they're great. What? I had never tagged her. I'd never said this woman's name. Did you follow her? I followed her. But so did 800,000 other people. Speaker 2 (10:45) Everybody did in the like postpartum baby space. And from there we were off to the races and now I'm blocked. You're blocked? I've been blocked for Speaker 1 (10:52) years. I thought you blocked her. No, she blocked me. Speaker 2 (10:57) Oh, because of that, you think? Or that was like her first taste and then you continued to turn to her? Speaker 1 (11:04) Then she continued. And then it was all downhill from Speaker 2 (11:07) there. Wow. Speaker 1 (11:09) Yeah. Okay, Speaker 2 (11:09) interesting. Speaker 1 (11:10) Yeah. And somebody commented, like, wanted to tag her in something. And I was like, baby, she can't see that. Speaker 2 (11:16) I was going to say, I bet she found your video that you made about the nursing car. Because her, like, stans probably sent it to her, thinking it was, like, a slight Speaker 1 (11:28) at her. Maybe. And it wasn't. People are crazy. People also need to Speaker 2 (11:32) stop with the, like, not everybody invented everything, right? Like, you can't. Oh, my God. Getting your pink back? We've discussed. Like, it's just some things are just. out there in the ether and everybody can grab them, right? And you don't necessarily own a nursing part or the fray is getting your pick back. Or the Speaker 1 (11:52) zoological experience of a flamingo regaining its color. Like, I don't know. I'm just spitballing. I'm just spitballing. Speaker 1 (12:01) What's new with you? Speaker 2 (12:03) So how much do you know about the Voynich manuscript? That? Okay. This sounds like something that would actually be really up your alley. Wait, wait, Speaker 1 (12:11) wait, wait, wait. Let me think. Speaker 2 (12:12) The Voynich Speaker 1 (12:13) manuscript. Speaker 2 (12:14) I'm shocked you've never heard of it. Although I've never heard of it. Okay. Speaker 1 (12:18) I got deep Speaker 2 (12:20) on this on TikTok last night. And I don't know