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Waveform: The MKBHD Podcast

The episode covers a series of hardware and software updates under the 'Techtember' theme, beginning with a discussion on a frustrating iPho

Key takeaways

• iOS 27 introduces independent control for alarm and system volume to prevent silent alarms.
• Googlebook laptops from Acer, Asus, HP, Dell, and Lenovo feature an RGB 'glow bar' and a dedicated 'G' button.

Main topics

• iOS Alarm Bug
• Googlebook Laptops

Notable quotes

The alarm is dumb as f***.

Conclusion

A dense update on the evolving landscape of mobile and computing hardw

Transcript preview

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Plus, in Sue's view, I share my thoughts on the 2026 WNBA Awards race, including the contest for MVP between this season's frontrunners Asia Wilson, Kelsey Mitchell, and yes, rookie Olivia Miles. Check out this week's Bird's Eye View on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 5 (1:03) I would strongly advise against using this very often, especially if you're a beginning creator. Speaker 3 (1:12) Focus on retaining the light in your motherf***ing eye. Retention graph of the light in your eye. Speaker 5 (1:21) Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marques. I'm Andrew. And I'm David. We've got Ellis and Adam over at the producer desk. And we've got a lot to talk about because Speaker 6 (1:32) it's still TechTember. Speaker 5 (1:34) We've got a first look at Google Books, for real, for real. The new Snapdragon chipsets, a couple Apple rumors, and then some nutty specs for the OnePlus 16. I might cry. And then also some existential thoughts on new YouTube features. Speaker 7 (1:49) Our favorite thing to talk about. I've thought Speaker 5 (1:51) about them so much. Speaker 6 (1:53) Yeah. Speaker 7 (1:53) I've thought about them so much. The hour car ride here. And he's ready to go off. Make sure you stick to the end. Every second of that car ride. Make sure you subscribe to see us take advantage of all of these sick new YouTube features. Yeah. Speaker 6 (2:04) At lunch, we started to have a crash out, and then we said, save it for the pop. Speaker 7 (2:07) I screamed it from across the room. Yeah. Speaker 6 (2:09) Shut up, everyone. But Speaker 7 (2:11) first, Speaker 6 (2:11) did they even test this? Did they, Ellis? Speaker 3 (2:15) Dude, I don't think so, man. Because this one's been really... Okay, it used to happen to me a lot and then it stopped happening and then it happened to me again on Tuesday, yesterday. And it made me so angry that I was like, I'm going straight to the podcast with this. There is a weird feature in the Apple alarm clock. I'm pretty sure I've spoken about it on this podcast in the past, but we're bringing it up again because this is so... This is the, there's, I've never seen a bug that is more antithetical to the functioning of a tech product than this. When your iPhone is in standby mode on MagSafe. and the alarm goes off. Sometimes the alarm does not go off. Instead, you get a notification on your phone, like a normal iOS notification that says alarm. And there is nothing more infuriating than waking up an hour after your alarm goes off with an hour-old notification that says alarm and no sound playing. Can Speaker 5 (3:22) I ask a question? Absolutely. Are you on iOS 27 or 26? I'm not Speaker 3 (3:29) a beta. I don't use any betas. But 27 Speaker 5 (3:31) is out. It's officially out as of a few days Speaker 3 (3:33) ago. Speaker 5 (3:33) So if you have updated your phone in the last week or two to the... Speaker 4 (3:36) No way. Speaker 5 (3:37) And so it weirdly sounds like... 26. Okay. The other question is, so iOS 27, believe it or not, iOS 27 is the first version of iOS that you can independently control alarm volume and system volume. Yeah. I would wonder if it's potentially you had your system volume all the way down. And in iOS 26, that means no volume for your alarm. And if it Speaker 3 (4:02) fixes when you update. That's an excellent proposal. And perhaps my system volume down. But I do want to say it's not because when your alarm goes off, when your phone's in standby mode, two buttons appear. Silence alarm and snooze alarm. That's not what happening. My phone is just in the normal standby mode. When I take it off the charger and flip it. Just notification. And it doesn't even have to be the most recent notification. Like I could have gotten text messages since then. And what's my theory is that it, because my iPhone goes into sleep mode automatically every night, like because of my bedtime. Sleep focus mode. Yeah. Sleep focus mode. Bedtime mode. Yeah. My theory is that it silences the notification and sometimes it gets confused. Here's my other theory, is I have noticed some mornings I can trigger this behavior on purpose. And the way I do it is... And I'm still fooling around because not only is it a very complicated, weird thing, but it happens the first thing in the morning. So I'm not there, you know? But it's like, if I've noticed, if I try to hit the snooze button and I miss and I just tap anywhere on the phone, so I'm not hitting any of the buttons, I'm just mis-inputting on the screen, sometimes it will trigger this behavior. Yeah. Speaker 5 (5:23) Interesting. That is... Also something to keep in mind because some wireless chargers sometimes cause rogue touch inputs, I've noticed. It's very rare, but sometimes that does happen. Speaker 3 (5:34) Either way, to me, this is such like an apocalyptic scenario for an alarm. It's Speaker 7 (5:41) like Speaker 3 (5:41) the worst thing. It's the only job. Not just for it to not work, but for when I do wake up, for it to be like, yo, an hour ago, this happened. Speaker 7 (5:52) Yeah. I feel like it's a sound. It's definitely a sound thing. I think the fact that it's a notification doesn't mean the sleep or snooze thing didn't pop up. It just may have popped up so long ago that then went away. Right? Because I think if an alarm plays for long enough without anything happening, it will stop. Will it? The audio will stop, Speaker 5 (6:11) but the little notification will stay there. Speaker 7 (6:13) So if that comes in and then another notification comes in, will it not override Speaker 3 (6:17) the snooze Speaker 7 (6:18) part? Speaker 3 (6:18) We're in standby mode, so there's no notifications. The standby mode screen gets overridden by two large buttons coming up when you're alarmed. So those buttons are not there. It's as if the alarm never went off except in the notifications. I'm Speaker 7 (6:31) wondering if you let an alarm run for long enough on standby mode, if it would eventually turn off, assuming that a phone was left behind. Because it's not going to... Go off till your battery dies? I have Speaker 3 (6:41) a Speaker 7 (6:41) question, Speaker 6 (6:42) Alice. Because your phone can be in silent mode, which is obviously the silent toggle. Yeah. But that is separate from like your ringtone volume. And in iOS 26, your ringtone volume was tied to Speaker 3 (6:54) your alarm volume. Wait. And now they're separate. Wait. You can be in silent mode with your ringtone on? Speaker 4 (7:02) Yes. Yeah, that's what Marques was saying. Speaker 3 (7:04) No, is that true? Because I thought toggling the silent mode turns your ringtone off, but you can still have app sounds. I think it was system volume. See, I think we're all wrong. It doesn't matter because it's in Speaker 4 (7:15) the system. It's Speaker 3 (7:15) funny because all of Speaker 7 (7:15) this is a bad, this is all bad user experience. An alarm should... It's shocking that iOS Speaker 5 (7:20) 27 is the first version. I'm trying Speaker 3 (7:21) to like... And also, I just want to say, I am an audible ringtone person. Well, you deserve to not get woken Speaker 5 (7:27) up. Speaker 3 (7:27) I didn't know that. That's on you. That's crazy. That's karma. I Speaker 6 (7:30) don't think I've met anyone else who's a... It Speaker 3 (7:32) says Speaker 7 (7:32) your Speaker 6 (7:32) alarm is tied to your ringer is what it says. Right. So Speaker 3 (7:36) wait, so that means if your ringer is off? No, that doesn't make sense. It didn't. 26 Speaker 5 (7:41) versions of iOS didn't make sense. I agree. So Speaker 6 (7:45) if Speaker 5 (7:45) your ringtone is off, your alarm in the morning will go off? Yeah. Yeah, it'll be silent, just like your ringer. Wait, no Speaker 6 (7:50) way. Just stupid. Speaker 5 (7:50) Okay, wait. The alarm went off this Speaker 3 (7:52) morning, and it didn't go off yesterday morning, and I didn't touch my ringer between those two. Speaker 6 (7:55) Maybe we should cut this little section, because I'm not actually sure that's true. Speaker 3 (7:59) No, leave it, because this is proof that this is stupid. The alarm volume, an alarm is an alarm, especially when the iPhone does so much to be like, yo, dude, I'm automatically making sure you're waking up in the morning. It Speaker 6 (8:11) should Speaker 3 (8:11) override everything. Speaker 6 (8:13) It Speaker 3 (8:13) should override everything. You know what I'm doing. I'm asleep, and then I'm getting out of bed. Speaker 6 (8:17) It says an iOS 27 Apple lets you change your alarm volume independently from your ringtone. Speaker 4 (8:21) Yeah, even if we got some minor thing about that wrong, the general consensus here is that the alarm is dumb as f***. It Speaker 5 (8:27) should Speaker 7 (8:27) always override. Speaker 4 (8:29) My favorite Speaker 5 (8:29) thing about being Speaker 4 (8:30) a Speaker 7 (8:30) non-iPhone user on this podcast is Speaker 3 (8:32) learning things Speaker 7 (8:33) like these Speaker 3 (8:33) and realizing people live with that. This is not California, okay? I cannot just roll into work whenever I want. Speaker 8 (8:41) That's Speaker 3 (8:41) true. That's what I've been saying. I'm trying to get here on time. That's what Speaker 6 (8:45) Mark has been saying. Yeah. Well. That's a good, yeah. Well, they apparently tested it enough to fix it in the new version, so you should update your phone. Also, iOS 27 introduces a lot of other features, so you might enjoy it. Plus, you're on an iPhone 17 Pro, so come on. Get ready for Apple Intelligence, Alex. You could clear up your liquid glass even more. You got the new Siri. You know, you can ask what my address is. I can ask what your address is? Yeah, if I've texted it to you before. You can ask Siri that. Maybe Speaker 3 (9:14) I'll Speaker 6 (9:14) ask my... You can ask your alarm that. I can ask Speaker 3 (9:17) my alarm that. Sorry, I just thought of another, did they even test this? Save it for next week. Save it Speaker 6 (9:22) for the pod. Okay, well, something that we're not completely sure they test because the rollout of this was kind of confusing and we're still kind of putting the pieces together even though we had briefings, is the Google book. We mentioned this really briefly last week because they had opened up an opportunity to let people know that pre-orders were coming for a computer that they didn't really talk about. They just sort of said what the basic features were going to be. But now they've had an official announcement for the Google Book varieties. The Google Books. It's all the ones we kind of expected. Yeah. Speaker 7 (9:56) Acer, Asus, HP, Dell, Lenovo. Speaker 6 (9:58) Yeah. Speaker 7 (9:58) A couple of things. You know, we were speculating last week. There were some things we got right. They do all have a glow bar. And it seems like the glow bar is actually RGB from some of the videos I saw. Although I believe from what I saw, it only really shows battery level indicators right now as one of the things. But they're letting third-party app developers develop for it, which is really cool. So that means the sky's the limit. Speaker 6 (10:22) It wasn't just battery in our briefing. It had like a few different animations. Was it? I thought only the Lenovo one had different animations. This is Speaker 4 (10:30) why it's all very confusing. The Speaker 6 (10:32) fact that Speaker 4 (10:32) you can pre-order this and we still don't know is ridiculous. Yeah. It's always a Speaker 6 (10:37) bit of a red flag when pre-orders go up, but like no one's ever really even played with them. They did have like a media event where you could touch them and play with them that I could not make. So that's on me. But still. Usually we have review units by now, so it's kind of strange. Did we confirm it's red? What? The Globar? Speaker 7 (10:56) There is red in it. There is red in it. And some of them do have Speaker 6 (10:59) the technology. It Speaker 7 (11:00) doesn't need to be in the same spot. It looks like it can be anywhere on the back. Some of them are like left aligns. Most of them were middle. They do all say Google Book. They all have a function and a G button, which there's a couple weird things about the G button. One, I'm a total idiot and last week said it should be a Gemini button, but I'm realizing... No, it's replacing the Windows key. It's the start menu button. And obviously this is Google Book OS. So therefore it is the Google Book start menu button. Yes, I did say Google Book OS because apparently it's now called Google Book OS, which is almost as silly as GoogleBook.Google. So Speaker 5 (11:33) I'm pretty sure, you know how we named the podcast WTF is a Google Book? I'm pretty sure I'm going to make it. I need to make a video that's like actually answering that question. Because honestly, this episode should be what the f***. It's the Google book times two again. Wait, for real Speaker 4 (11:49) this time. Yeah. Speaker 5 (11:50) It seems to the best of what we can gather is it's this collection of five laptops that have some set of minimum requirements that are guided by Google to make them Google books. They all run this OS that's not Chrome OS. It's not Android. It's Google book OS. It's a new OS. They're all thin and light. I think there's no number that they have to hit, but they're all thin and light. They all have a glow bar. They're all Speaker 7 (12:12) premium material. Speaker 5 (12:12) They're Speaker 6 (12:13) all Speaker 5 (12:13) premium. And yeah, then there's some questions about do they have to start at 16 gigs of RAM or do they all just happen to? I think the lowest priced one was $9.99. Speaker 7 (12:23) So there's an $8.99, but Acer said that was only the launch price. Yeah, and that they're reevaluating pricing over time based on component supplies and other market pressures. So it's Speaker 5 (12:34) a Speaker 7 (12:34) great... It's like seafood of the Speaker 4 (12:37) day. Speaker 7 (12:37) Seafood of the day. Okay. It's like cat to the day. The other real quick. $1,400. Weird thing about the G button is that it's the capital G for Google. And one requirement that it seems that somebody said in a video, I think it was the Android Authority video, is all keyboards have to be lowercase characters, which I don't know why that seems so silly to me. Is it because, so you're not confusing now the... button with the google logo being a capital g or just like to me it feels funny being like everything needs to be this like premium material and serious and oh no seriously there's a google logo on my keyboard is that the g is that the g um but now all lowercase just feels silly give them the option who cares Speaker 4 (13:22) about Speaker 7 (13:22) capitals i don't know yeah Speaker 4 (13:25) I am excited for this, though. I am, too. I want another kind of laptop competitor in the space. And if it could be someone as big as Google that can just, like, burn money for a decade until this becomes a viable competitor, like, sure. You assume it's going to last a decade. Well, they said 10 years of updates. So at Speaker 6 (13:42) least a Speaker 7 (13:42) decade. They did say. They said 10 years of updates. It's still Google. They also said that, what was it? Google won. Remember that? What was the free upgrade program where they didn't even make it to the next set of upgrades for people who bought it? It was the Pixel Speaker 6 (13:55) upgrade plan, right? I forget exactly. They have too Speaker 7 (13:58) many names. Yeah. I'll Speaker 4 (13:59) try Speaker 7 (14:00) and really quick. Out of the five laptops that got launched, all of them have at least base 16 gigabytes of RAM. Some were up to 32. All of them have at least 256 gigs of storage. Some went up to one terabyte. XPS is 13-inch. Acer, Asus, HP, 14-inch. And the Lenovo is 15-inch. All of them have some sort of biometrics, whether it's fingerprint reader or face ID. Premium materials kept getting mentioned, yet everyone just would randomly name premium materials. So I don't know if this means we will not ever see a plastic Google book. It seems like the goal is for them to be built well and Speaker 5 (14:32) sort of premium in their positioning. So I Speaker 6 (14:35) guess that sort of means Speaker 5 (14:36) they Speaker 6 (14:37) should always use metal. I mean, I have to note that they have Chrome OS, which has, there's Chromebooks now. But there's also Chromebook Plus. And now there's also Google Books because Google Books are not replacing either of these. Right. Speaker 4 (14:49) Which is really weird. And I think they're trying to differentiate this lineup from the Chromebooks. Yes, for sure. Because Chromebooks have the bad rep of being the cheap one. Even though they weren't, there were some really nice made Chromebooks. Yeah, Speaker 6 (14:59) which is why they had Chromebook Plus. Speaker 4 (15:01) Yeah. Which is Speaker 6 (15:01) crazy because Chromebook Plus only launched like a year ago. Speaker 7 (15:04) Chromebook to me, like Chrome OS feels like the cloud-based operating system and the differentiating on this is like it is a Android. desktop experience kind of thing. With some AI, there's really not as many AI features as I thought were going to be in this, which I kind of like. The four main ones I saw were, they all have Rambler, which is awesome. There's an AI-powered search function, which sounds crazy, but it really just means in your files management, you can search like cat picture and hopefully get pictures of Speaker 6 (15:31) cats. Speaker 7 (15:31) I Speaker 6 (15:32) think that's good. There was one where it's like, if you have a file that's called like... xa4792.jpg but there's Speaker 5 (15:39) a Speaker 6 (15:39) picture of a cat in it you can search cat and it pops up it's semantic search it's Speaker 7 (15:42) great yeah uh the magic pointer which we did talk about because they did this last week which is lets you shake your mouse and get ai features like it's like google lens but with gemini and then the ability to create home screen widgets which is cool i think Speaker 6 (15:54) is Speaker 7 (15:54) awesome so those are actually four Speaker 6 (15:56) really nice ai features Speaker 7 (15:57) that doesn't make this feel like uh yeah oh my god, AI book only. It does kind of feel nice. Speaker 6 (16:03) It's more of an Android book. For sure. Speaker 7 (16:06) That's the interesting thing about it. For Speaker 6 (16:07) those who are not around at this point in time, we used to have phones that you would attach to a laptop, like the Motorola lap dock. The Motorola Atrix, too. Atrix. And you would basically use your phone as your computer on this shell. Now this idea is like, okay, dedicated hardware. But your phone is still like your primary computing device throughout your day. So we're just going to have all of your files, all of your apps. Everything that you do on your phone is going to be accessible on this laptop. And it's also going to have like widescreen modes for when you want to have your apps but bigger. So I think that that's a cool idea. And then they're sort of just sprinkling the AI stuff on top. It's not specifically a Gemini book with Android capabilities. It's more of an Android book with Gemini capabilities. Android desktop, yeah. Speaker 7 (16:53) And a lot of it was like, it still has Play Store and all the apps are from the Play Store. Through that, there's certain, like it says, if things are optimized for Google Book, made for Google Book, or just like... better used in a web browser. I think it's Speaker 6 (17:09) funny Speaker 7 (17:09) that they're all optimized Speaker 6 (17:10) for SteamOS. And then Speaker 7 (17:12) in that, you can also mirror from your phone. So there's something called continue on, which lets you between apps, just let you continue on between them. Or the phone mirroring just literally means if you don't have the app on your Google book, you can still use it connected to your phone and do that. It pops up in a little phone size screen and you can do things on there, which is pretty cool. Especially if you think something with a keyboard is easier. Speaker 6 (17:35) Yeah, I think a lot of this makes sense. It's funny because when they were making Android more compatible with multiple screen sizes, we were all kind of like, oh, well, it's a combination of one, they're making foldables. So they want foldables of various different screen sizes. Two, they have like a Dex-like experience now where you can plug in your phone into a display and you want to be able to use like a Chrome OS type experience. But now the flexible display sizes makes a lot of sense because now when you continue on on your laptop, you want it to transition very seamlessly from your phone to your laptop. So making Android very flexible is in their benefit here. Speaker 5 (18:09) Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what this competes with because being premium, you've got to compare it to some premium stuff. I also still kind of wonder how functional it is without an internet connection. Like we were talking about Chromebooks being the online thing. Like what they do is you have Chrome and you do the things you do in Chrome. And if you don't have an internet connection, a Chromebook's not very useful. How useful will this be? Like to me, that's why it feels more like Android. Like I can have an offline photo and a photo editing app or tool and I can still do that offline and everything will work. So that should be fine. But I'm just curious like how much Gemini stuff. I think Rambler works offline. How much other stuff works offline? It Speaker 4 (18:49) works Speaker 5 (18:49) partially offline. Partially? Yeah. Speaker 4 (18:52) internet and then your phone like how you know how on the phone one of the features is you take a picture and it'll show up instantly in your files will that work with bluetooth or wi-fi that's my directly to the device that is my my question for sure yeah Speaker 6 (19:04) yeah i did not get an answer on that i don't really know how that file sharing thing works or how the app sharing thing works i'm hoping it's direct to the phone that would be Speaker 7 (19:12) ideal yeah yeah we'll see We'll see. So yeah, 10 years of updates, quarterly updates, similar to Android. Again, 10 years coming from Google is the most Speaker 6 (19:21) worrisome thing I've ever seen. AI is going to kill us within 10 years. But Speaker 7 (19:25) if you want to know more, Jordan from 9to5Google had a very good video on it and covered and showed a lot of the stuff and also available October 4th. So again, teaser, press, especially because press was something where... Rambler is one of the main features of AI in a room full of a billion people. I haven't seen a single example of Rambler working on it because it can't hear you. Oh, Speaker 6 (19:46) well, that's funny. October 4th, funny date. because the Pixel 1 was launched on October 4th of 2016. Every Speaker 4 (19:53) year, October 4th, I'm like, what happens? Like, what's going on today? Today feels like an important day. And I'm like, oh, it was just because when that event happened, I had it like drilled into my brain. They Speaker 6 (20:02) made a big deal about October 4th, 2016 because Hiroshi Lockheimer said in eight years, you're not going to recognize Android. So it's notable that they're releasing it on that day because like, does that say something about what they think about this product? Or Speaker 5 (20:15) is it just random? Probably random. It's Google. Speaker 6 (20:17) Speaking of smartphone-related things sometimes, Qualcomm has launched their new 2-nanometer chipsets. Usually at Snapdragon Summit, they launch their flagship, but this year they launched a flagship and an elite version of the flagship. So I feel like I can actually explain this. Speaker 5 (20:37) Even though the names are terrible. They're really bad. They're so bad. Right? Okay, so there's a new Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 6 and a Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6. Yep. So every year around this time, we start to get like the first phones with the new chip. And so the new flagship chip, as you can tell by the name, is a Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 6. Like we had the, where is it? No, Snapdragon Speaker 6 (20:58) 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6. Speaker 5 (21:00) Well, okay, this was, I have the OnePlus 15 in my hands right now. This had the Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 5. And that was the highest end chip from Qualcomm. And what you saw is you had like different manufacturers tuning it different ways based on their device. Made for Speaker 6 (21:14) Galaxy. Speaker 5 (21:14) Yeah, so you had the 4 Galaxy one and Samsung phones. If you had like an ROG phone, they would like overclock it a little bit and get like the best highest clock speeds, best possible one or whatever. Yeah. So I'm pretty sure what's happening here is we have a new Snapdragon 8 Elite Gen 6. And then for the ones that want to get a little higher clock speed, a little extra performance or whatever, those extra few frames, they have a slightly higher clocked version called the Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6. It's a terrible name, but all it is is a slightly higher performing Speaker 6 (21:45) version of the same chip. Well, that makes me wonder, will there be a Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6 for Galaxy? Speaker 6 (21:52) That's a good question. Yeah, Speaker 5 (21:55) I do wonder about the 4Galaxy thing because whenever you hear 4Galaxy, they always explained it as like, oh yeah, a couple extra NPU things here, a couple extra features there, whatever, a little extra clock speed. But that chip wasn't anywhere else, so you couldn't really compare it to anything else. So Speaker 6 (22:10) yeah, Speaker 5 (22:10) TBD on that. So Speaker 6 (22:12) it has some new features. It can do 8K, 60fps recording, or 4K at 240. Marques is very happy. He wants more 8K. Support for the APV codec and also a larger shared memory pool for the MPU and an AI dedicated matrix cores for GPU and more memory for better gaming performance. What does any of that mean? I think it'll be faster. Speaker 4 (22:34) Okay. Speaker 6 (22:34) So people are saying that the Extreme chip is a pretty minor upgrade over the regular one this year. So it's going to be interesting who decides to use it because I'm sure that Qualcomm is going to charge quite a bit extra for those chips. One company who is using it though is Motorola. who has pre-announced a new device called the Motorola Signature 27. Okay. Have you seen this phone yet, Marques? No, I have Speaker 5 (22:57) not. Speaker 6 (22:57) Please click the link. Oh, I did see Speaker 5 (22:59) a screenshot of this. Okay, I don't really know anything else other than what I saw. This is a hilarious looking phone. Speaker 6 (23:05) It's a really weird looking phone. It has four cameras and an ambiguous black dot. We're not sure what it is yet. There's a flash around. Yeah, there's a flash around it. So not totally sure. They are being very... Ambiguous with the specs of this phone, they have announced a few of the specs, but not all of them. It's supposed to launch by the end of the year. It's got, obviously, the Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6. Aluminum with a woven tactical back texture on the black and a brushed textile finish on the green version. They call the camera plateau, they call it the camera plane. So it's not a mesa. Speaker 7 (23:46) It gradually goes up. It slopes up. Kind of like the D-brand cases, how they've made it. It slopes on them now. It slopes up. Speaker 6 (23:53) So it's the camera plane. It's not the Mesa. It's not the Plateau. There's four cameras. There's a Periscope 200 megapixel telephoto and a 50 megapixel main camera, which they were talking big about because it was some new Sony sensor that's supposed to be a really big deal. Really Speaker 7 (24:09) cool with cameras. I'm confused because... Almost any time when you see a camera and like a rectangle cut out inside of it, that means periscope. Except this other camera in the top right says... Well, they could both be periscopes. Dolby Vision 200 megapixel 100x super zoom. Speaker 6 (24:23) Yeah, I don't know. Who knows, man? There's also a Bang & Olufsen logo right in between all the cameras, which looks really ugly. And I just wanted to note really quickly, we've seen a lot of companies redesigning their logos recently. McLaren just redesigned their logo. There's been a lot of company redesigns. I think B &O might have to do it soon. I don't know, man. This looks like one of those bad logo redesigns. This is Speaker 5 (24:47) their historical logo? This is their historical logo. I don't know if Speaker 7 (24:49) it just looks extra worse because it's on a... They're Speaker 6 (24:52) ahead of their time, man. This is Speaker 7 (24:53) terrible. Speaker 6 (24:54) Tilted? Yeah. So it's got Bang & Olufsen audio, and I guess they had to slap that in between the cameras. Do you want to point Speaker 5 (25:02) out that means nothing to me? Speaker 6 (25:03) Yeah. I Speaker 5 (25:04) literally... No, it's not going to get me. Be careful, Margot. I legitimately... Every single company wants to tell you that they have Dolby Surround support or whatever, and I literally... never write it down. I do not care. Speaker 6 (25:21) Whenever Speaker 5 (25:21) you say, oh, speakers are by Bang & Olufsen or by the Sextra, I do not care. I just want to listen to them. Speaker 7 (25:28) Well, Speaker 5 (25:29) the Dolby thing just is like, it supports their exact spec. It kind of feels like a DxOMark at this point. To hit a Dolby certification, maybe Ellis, you know this, you have to just do it the way Dolby says and then you get the certification. But Speaker 6 (25:44) what does Speaker 5 (25:44) that mean in a phone? It just means nice surround stereo Speaker 3 (25:48) image. I don't know. It's not that important. In a phone, how do I explain this? In a phone, it is a lot more to do, it has less to do with hardware specs and more to do with DSP and codec stuff. That's like the best way to put it. It's meaning that the internal processing that's calculating things like loudness is going to be put through the Dolby engine. It does not mean that you'll get that much. What it also means is if it's Dolby Atmos supported, if you're watching content that's encoded in Dolby Atmos, which is different than a normal PCM audio stream, the phone will be able to decode it directly to the amp that's driving the speaker. Whether that means you'll get a superior playback experience, it doesn't. That's my main point. That's who's Speaker 5 (26:37) to Speaker 3 (26:37) say. But it does mean that if you're watching something on a streaming service that has Dolby Atmos, you will at least know you're getting a Dolby Atmos stream to your thing. The Dolby Vision that is also on this phone. Speaker 7 (26:50) There is no Dolby Atmos on this phone. Speaker 3 (26:53) It's Dolby Vision. Dolby Vision is another one that means nothing to Speaker 5 (26:56) me. Speaker 3 (26:56) Dolby Vision is a specific HDR standard. It's Speaker 6 (27:00) a Speaker 3 (27:00) specific HDR encoding schema that I think does frame by frame HDR. Like it's not doing Speaker 4 (27:10) any sort of- Wow, almost exactly from my Google search. Word for word. Go Ellis. Damn, that was his AI overview? Speaker 3 (27:16) No, I love standards and codecs. And Speaker 5 (27:19) I mean, I'll see a spec sheet on a device that says it has this max number of nits and this contrast ratio and it supports this HDR. And I'm like, that's also nice. Great. It will work with HDR and it will do the HDR effects with the high brightness and stuff. And I see Dolby Vision and I'm like, that basically is the same thing. I don't feel a special way about getting Dolby Vision. Speaker 6 (27:39) Yeah, but there's always like an open source version of the thing that these people are standardizing and stuff. Speaker 3 (27:44) It's not, I wouldn't say it is ProRes, but I think you can think of it in a similar way to ProRes in the sense of if you're shooting on a camera that supports ProRes and then you're editing in Final Cut on a Mac, you can get the full experience and use out of that data protocol. It's not a standard like ProRes is. It's not... Anything like that, but that's the way I would think about it. It's like if you're in that pipeline It makes sense and in theory if for some reason you shot something on this that you would put in a Dolby theater You could go end to end Don't yes to be clear. I don't ruined Speaker 5 (28:22) it for me. Yeah the MacBook Neo I remember getting the demo from the MacBook Neo and listening the speakers for the first time and they said don't worry These are Dolby Atmos speakers and I hit play and I was like these sound terrible So whenever I hear Dolby Atmos, I just make sure to remind myself that doesn't mean they sound good. Why can't anyone just say, Speaker 7 (28:40) like, these sound good, listen for yourselves? Because it's like Speaker 5 (28:44) when you put Leica on the back of a camera, you're supposed to go, oh, that means it's good. When they put, like, this special name with the collaborative, like, that is supposed to associate with quality. And I think that's what Dolby has become in many ways. They go, oh, it's Dolby Atmos certified. It must have this big, booming, amazing sound. But it doesn't actually Speaker 6 (29:02) mean that. These branding things are really ambiguous because sometimes it means that they worked with them on the product to actually optimize it and make it better. But sometimes it means they just slapped a logo on the back of something. Speaker 3 (29:13) Atmos, at the very least, will never be a logo because in theory, if it has an Atmos logo on it, it means there's an Atmos engine running in the device. It doesn't mean that anyone did anything more than just staple it in there. And then from the professional side of things, Working in Atmos is really, really nice. Like when you're making a spatial audio thing, the work environment is nice. And it's also really nice to know that no matter what device this is getting played back on, it will be a reliable, accurate, similar thing spatially to what you heard in the studio. Because that to me is what Atmos is really good at. It's good at saying like, hey, this