TJG: RHONY S16 E4!

Two Judgey Girls

The hosts dive deep into the latest drama from RHONY Season 16, focusing on the interpersonal conflicts during a Passover dinner. They analy

Key takeaways

• Erin is currently in what the hosts describe as her 'villain season' due to her controversial comments at a dinner.
• The tension between Haley and Erin stems from historical 'homewrecker' narratives and the impact of paparazzi culture.

Main topics

• RHONY Season 16 Episode 4 analysis
• Martha Stewart and Daisy dynamics

Notable quotes

I would rather be boring than break up a marriage of a man with eight children.

Conclusion

A comprehensive critique of modern reality TV social hierarchies and t

Transcript preview

Speaker 2 (0:15) Welcome back to Two Judgy Girls. This Speaker 1 (0:17) is Mary from the Bay. And it's Courtney from L.A. Did I match your vibe? You Speaker 2 (0:23) did. I loved that. We are in sync, girl. Speaker 1 (0:28) Dibs JC. JC Chavez? Yeah, in sync. Oh, okay. Or JC as in Jesus Christ. That's you. You're the resident Catholic around Speaker 2 (0:39) here. Speaking of shows that have religion incorporated in them, although this one probably doesn't. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Orange County. Why isn't it called Secret Lives of Influencers Lives? Speaker 1 (0:54) I don't think they need the built-in. I know Jen is going to come in there and you've got Macy's sister and maybe a couple of people who maybe were. once Mormon, but also like they're definitely more just influencers. I can't Speaker 2 (1:07) wait for them to try to introduce how Mormonism has affected their lives, because I think some of them don't have any relationship with the Mormon church. I also think most of them don't live in Orange County. Okay, tell me more. Speaker 1 (1:23) Avery Woods does not live in Orange County. Jen Affleck, I don't think, lived in Orange County. She might have just moved there for a hot second. I think Macy's sister does, but I think Aspen Ovard, I believe she was L.A. I think, like, Salome Andrea, I think she was L.A. in, like, Utah at one point. So I just think that it's MomTalk, but the O.C. Like, it should have been called MomTalk. I'm sure TikTok probably blocked that of being able to use that in the name because of IP, but we should have been able to change it. Right. Influencer Wives could have been something. Speaker 2 (1:52) Yes. But it is premiering on November 12th. So something to look forward to. Speaker 1 (1:57) It's Speaker 2 (1:58) a Speaker 1 (1:58) great Thanksgiving show if you don't watch it right away. But you know how it is here. You got to watch it right away because everyone's talking about it. Speaker 2 (2:06) Otherwise, it's old Speaker 1 (2:07) news. Speaker 2 (2:07) We're never putting up that Stassi one because it's old news. I don't even know where it is. It's lost. It's a lost file, literally. Speaker 1 (2:16) The show did exist and we did talk about it for like over an hour. Speaker 2 (2:19) In person with each other in New York. We were holding hands with Lisa Barlow framed photo. Speaker 1 (2:25) We talked about it a little bit yesterday with Teresa Melania and then Teresa made this statement which just broke my heart. somewhat of what we were saying yesterday. I wish she didn't have to go through this in the public. She had a loss of two friends. The whole thing is just so sad. Teresa's trying her hardest. And I like what Teresa Speaker 2 (2:44) put up. She's like, hey, my Speaker 1 (2:46) daughter's Speaker 2 (2:47) 20 years old. We're trying to take care of this privately. Please give us our peace right now. I really need it. It made me start thinking about. Joe too, because it's like, Teresa's doing this all on her own right now. Joe can't even come to help. Her and Gia went down to Florida to get her out of there, to get her into a Speaker 1 (3:05) safe space. Speaker 2 (3:06) And that bothered me. I was like upset over that. And I do think if Joe could be here, he would have gotten Melania out of there too. I feel so bad for Teresa. And I just wish Melania the best of luck. And I think we have done a really good job of being really mindful of the situation because at the end of the day, she's a young girl. She's 20 years old, and I hope she gets the help that she needs. Speaker 1 (3:28) Okay, so should we talk some Roni? Speaker 2 (3:31) I love this show. I think it is so Speaker 1 (3:34) good. We're only on episode four. Yeah. The new girls have really changed the show, I think. Erin is in her villain season, even though I think she does not realize it. And Martha wants to be a housewife, and she is a villain, and I don't think she realizes it. Speaker 2 (3:55) I was... I was so shocked to see Martha in this luncheon again. I was absolutely dying. She is a monster. Daisy must have such an NDA. I don't think Daisy is setting these scenes up. Speaker 1 (4:08) No, I agree. I Speaker 2 (4:10) think Martha Speaker 1 (4:10) is setting them up completely. We've had three episodes now where Martha has been there, like present, as in this episode and the opener. And then she called her on the phone last week about the Seder. Speaker 2 (4:22) Right. It's Daisy's birthday in real time. So Daisy posted yesterday. Martha had sent her some type of Bundt cake, I would say. And I'm like, I'm sorry. That's what Martha Stewart sent you on your birthday? A prepackaged Bundt cake? Speaker 1 (4:37) It was prepackaged? Martha gave her so much shit for that prepackaged pie. She didn't even make it? Speaker 2 (4:43) Wait, it was in cellophane with some marigolds and it was a Bundt. Wait, do you think she made it and got it sent to her house? That makes me feel better. She Speaker 1 (4:52) had to, right? You don't think that there was anything else associated with the cake? She had to have given her a gift as well. Maybe she's going to pay to get rid of the popcorn ceilings. You'd like to Speaker 2 (5:02) think so. I am like, I'm very curious if one, Daisy and Eugene are together, and two, if they still live in that apartment. Speaker 1 (5:11) They're never leaving that apartment. I wouldn't either. Jessel, she really made me laugh over the weekend, though, because she posted a photo of her mom drinking like a glass of wine and pointing to their London home. Babe, we've got popcorn ceilings. Like, I thought that was Speaker 2 (5:24) so silly. But also people were saying she did that with Speaker 1 (5:27) AI. No. Jessel was making fun of herself. Not me calling out popcorn ceilings only to have them in my family home. Speaker 2 (5:36) I mean, she has to go on the apology tour right now. She is not looking good. I Speaker 1 (5:41) thought she came off better this episode than she did last week, especially at the gala. She really shined there. I think even Carol was like, I can't believe I'm siding with Jessel here at the gala. Dingbat. Speaker 2 (5:54) Let's start back in Brooklyn at that. that Passover dinner Speaker 1 (5:57) because we had just had that Speaker 2 (5:59) giant moment where Erin was like, well, I would rather be boring than break up a marriage of a man with eight children. And Speaker 1 (6:08) that's something a boring person would say because breaking up a marriage of eight children, I mean, hello, that's not boring. So Erin is boring. She doesn't want the drama. But those things are not the same. Speaker 2 (6:22) No, no. I felt really... Speaker 2 (6:27) Why are you breathing like that? You guys, I thought Haley was basically breathing like that because she was like fake smoking and she needed the inhale like that. Speaker 2 (6:38) You know, because she was like wanting a joint in that moment. So that's why she was breathing that heavy. Speaker 1 (6:44) She was breathing deep. I thought she was trying to like not lunge across that table and put her hands on Aaron because she was livid. Right. She's like that Speaker 2 (6:56) homewrecking Haley storyline when I was 22 years old. That's a false narrative. The whole world placed judgment on me. And you know what? That changed me. In that moment, you're just like, this is so, so sad. Jessel's trying to help her and chime in. And then she just starts calling Aaron here a piece of shit. She's like, Fuck you. You make shit up. I see how you move in this group. You are a lying ass snake of a bitch. You know what? You're a garden snake and I'm a fucking mongoose. Watch your fucking back. I am not the one to fuck with. I Speaker 1 (7:33) quit. You are a weak ass bitch and you lie about everything and you always play Speaker 2 (7:37) the victim. Speaker 1 (7:38) I don't think Erin realized the magnitude of how this has affected Haley because she's like, well, you showed all the magazines in a TikTok. From the previous summer. Mind you, we're at April. She's talking about a TikTok from last summer where Hailey is showing her magazine covers. You mean a tip-top? Oh, a tip-top. Yes. A tip-top from Hailey. Speaker 2 (7:59) Can Speaker 1 (7:59) I also make a random statement? Sure. So on this week of Ultimate Girls Trip, Erin talks about how she can't get pregnant anymore because she got her boobs done, which, you know, biology. I started looking for him now because she let us know that she had gotten him done, and then I didn't notice him here. Yeah, I didn't notice Speaker 2 (8:14) him. I did notice when Erica left the house. Her shorts are so short. It's actually insane that she wore this to Passover. But God, I kind of loved her this week. Speaker 1 (8:27) Yeah, Carol did mention it last week. Erica's got a great ass. I wish my ass looked like that. I'm like, that's your tagline though, Carol. I know. But I guess you say good ass, not great ass. So it's different. But Erin is like, you are saying that you're on magazines. Erin just did not realize the can of worms she opened. And then I feel like she tries to be the victim of, you called me boring. And when Haley storms out of it, I think Erin is like, fuck. Speaker 2 (8:53) Because Carol's like, these are not comparable things. She had like a funny, cheeky, jam joke about you. And you said she broke up a marriage of someone that had eight children. Those are not comparable. Speaker 1 (9:06) She's like, do not look for sympathy from me. Speaker 2 (9:10) Meanwhile, Daisy's like, I cooked, I cleaned, I made it nice. She's like, girls, like you're ruining this. Speaker 1 (9:18) I felt really bad for Daisy because every time either her or Dale were serving them, the women started eating immediately without even waiting to let her sit down. She's serving them wine. They're chowing down. I'm like, this is so sad. Can she sit down with you guys and also break bread? And Speaker 2 (9:35) Dale, a jack of all trades. I love it. A driver, a handyman, sometimes babysits. I need a Dale in my life. I think that's your husband. Speaker 1 (9:47) I think he's like that. So Cy runs after Haley. And this accent of Cy's comes out. I didn't even recognize that it was Cy at first. I was like, who is this? The accent was really strong here. It was really strong when she was talking to her aunt. And I was like, has she been suppressing this accent the whole time? It was so jarring Speaker 2 (10:08) when she went out and... consoled Haley. I also thought that was a very interesting person out of all the women to go out after Haley. And she's like, you stood up for yourself. And sometimes that's what you have to do sometimes. Speaker 1 (10:20) We know that Jessel was late, too, because she posted a thread last week and she said the reason why I was late and it wasn't two hours was because I was reaching for something at the top of my closet. I was on a mini ladder and I fell off of it. So I was on painkillers. So Jessel probably would