NY AG To Open CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION Into Cornell 7 w/ Thomas Corbett-Dillon

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The episode centers on the New York Attorney General's criminal investigation into the 'Cornell 7' case, with guest Thomas Corbett-Dillon analyzing the allegations,

Key takeaways

• New York Governor Kathy Hochul appointed Attorney General Letitia James as special prosecutor to investigate the Cornell 7 case despite claims of consensual activity.
• Thomas Corbett-Dillon argues the situation stems from jealousy, embarrassment over rumors, and a desire for revenge after the woman was barred from future frat events.

Main topics

• Cornell 7 criminal investigation and consent allegations
• Fraternity culture, hazing, and drug use

Notable quotes

This is not a rape story. It's a story of a drunken adult.

Conclusion

The episode provides a critical breakdown of the Cornell 7 case while using it

Transcript preview

Speaker 4 (0:01) Governor Kathy Hochul has announced she's going to be appointing a special prosecutor, Letitia James, to the Cornell allegation story, despite the fact that all of the records we have now, including a statement from the alleged victim, shows that it was entirely consensual. This story has been blown up because Me Too is back. But we've got a wave of stories about women who are arguing they have no responsibility because they have no agency. I'm not joking. Calm down. I'm not being mean. We got one lady murdered her kid. Another story because she lost custody. Another lady murdered her kids because she's crazy, I guess. You've got this woman in the Cornell story saying that even though she consented to everything, even though the men asked her. If she felt uncomfortable and told her they would stop, she's still saying, but it doesn't matter because she has no agency because she's effectively a child. Now, that was me being mean. But Kathy Hochul's arguing that becoming voluntarily intoxicated doesn't mean consent, which would mean, and this is where it gets crazy, according to statements that are being rumored, they may be, and I've seen these posts all over the place, some of the men in question. Are now accusing the Cornell woman of raping them because they said while they all agree to do drugs, she initiated the adult activities that they did not want and even told her to stop. This is so, so dumb. You know what this really comes down to? It's going to be a left versus right thing. It's going to be a conservative versus lib thing. Because, look, I'll put it this way. I don't care about any of these guys. I mean, like, guys, if you're going to be getting involved in these kinds of activities with drugs and let's just call it lewd and lascivious activities, I'm not going to defend you. But I will tell you the truth. And the truth is, this is not a rape story. It's a story of a drunken adult. I'll keep the language a little light for now, but you get the point. And then when the dudes basically got embarrassed and the girl got embarrassed, this is the statements. OK, they were all embarrassed because people were spreading rumors about all of them, guys included. The president of the frat told her she wasn't allowed to come to the frat anymore. She got pissed and said, you're throwing me under the bus. It would seem the actual story is that rumors circulated of a ketamine induced orgy. Everybody was embarrassed by it. they decided they were going to kick her out of the party, the upcoming party she was begging to come to with a heart emoji and everything. She was like, okay, so this story is actually a story of dishonor, disloyalty, and revenge. We're going to talk about that and a whole lot more. Smash the like button, share the show and all that good stuff. Joining us tonight to talk about this and everything else is Thomas Corbett Dillon. Hello, thanks for having me. Who are you? What do you do? Speaker 3 (2:47) I'm Thomas. I was a former advisor to the Prime Minister in England, Boris Johnson, although not a big fan of him anymore, but that's okay. And now I just do television, so I'm over here. I do a lot of talking head stuff, so if you hear a British accent, it's probably me. Speaker 4 (3:01) Right on. It's going to be fun. We've Speaker 6 (3:02) got the boys hanging out. Everybody. Hello, everybody. Phil here. Carter, what's going on? What's Speaker 4 (3:06) up, Speaker 6 (3:06) everyone? Good to have you back. Speaker 4 (3:07) Thomas. We've got a lot to talk about. Let's get into it. Before we do, my friends, go to TimCast.com and click join now to become a member of the Discord community. We can't do this without you. You need to step up and be the change that you want to see in the world. 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Let's jump into the news. We got this from Fox News. Cornell rape allegations prompt New York Attorney General Letitia James to open active criminal investigation. The AG was appointed special prosecutor by Governor Hochul. of questions about Cornell police conduct. We're also seeing viral images that purport to be the woman in question. Now, we're going to show you all of the posts that are going viral, but I'm going to stress I have not been able to independently verify the identity of the Jane Doe, nor that the images being shared are of the correct person. And so you've got all these images of this woman going viral. I'm telling people like, yo, they're. They're posting memes that are pretty brutal. Okay, some language I'm not going to repeat. They're putting images of the woman's face on trains. You know, if it turns out that's not the right person, y'all are going to be in trouble. You're going to get sued into oblivion. That being said, I do have some guesses. I am going to go ahead and assume the moment this Jane Doe files this lawsuit. The guys in question know who she is. Come on. Everybody at the college knew who she was. She was being called names she was mad about. It was only a matter of time before all of this broke out into the public and everyone knew what her name was. So there's a lot of people who believe this is the woman we're going to show you. But we'll start here. We've got Kathy Hochul announcing this special prosecution. New York Attorney General Letitia James announced Friday morning she has opened an active criminal investigation into the alleged gang rape. This is now an active criminal investigation led by the office of the attorney general, James said, after New York Governor Kathy Hochul appointed her as independent prosecutor of the case. Every New Yorker deserves to know that when they report a crime, it will be investigated fully and fairly, that they will be seen and heard, that this promise, this is the promise of our justice system. Okay, well, here's the facts. This woman, actually, you know what? Shoe on head has a post here where she actually highlights key elements. from the, I'm going to show this. We talked about it last night, but it bears repeating. Here's what they're opening a criminal investigation into. The DA says her sworn statement to Cornell police in 2024 described the activity very differently from the lawsuit. She did not say she had been drugged against her will. She acknowledged voluntarily consuming alcohol and drugs. The DA said she described herself as conscious during the relevant events. She did not describe herself as unconscious or physically incapacitated. She did not describe the events as a gang rape. Most importantly, the D.A. says her statement described her participation in sexual activity as voluntary and consensual, including with several men. According to the D.A., when she asked particular men to stop, they stopped. So this is the story that has been going around, of course. For the life of me and we'll start here because we got a lot to break down You guys, I think we all have our opinions on this one, but I did hear from you guys. Why is it that women, despite the facts proving it was voluntary and consensual, are claiming otherwise? Speaker 5 (7:26) Likely it's because they feel like they can identify with her. Right. They've done something that they regret. So they they endorse her, her, her claim of rape because it makes them feel like they're validated. for the things that they did that they regret. It allows them to put the blame on someone else as opposed to acknowledging that their bad decisions led to them feeling bad about the situation. It's not pretty. It's not nice to talk about, but that's probably the thing it is. That's the argument that the Lindsay Clancy supporters make. They say, I understand Lindsay. I understand how she felt. They may not have actually committed, well, you know, hopefully the vast majority of them haven't committed murder. But they say, I understand because I felt stressed when I had kids and I had postpartum depression or I had this, I had that. So I understand. So because of that, if I were to condemn her, it's like I'm condemning myself and I don't want to feel like I did anything bad. So therefore, I'm going to say that she didn't do anything that was actually wrong or that, you know, we have to understand her because I would look for that understanding. It's all it's. all about the way that they feel about themselves, Speaker 7 (8:45) I think. And in regards to this, it's not that they're trying to defend the woman who took the gang, but they're trying to induce, like, show that these other guys are guilty. It's like, when people are in deep psychosis, they know animalistically that if you can convince the world of a lie, that they will believe it, and then the world will adopt reality as if that lie is real. People know that. And deep psychos will like animalistically do it. I think some people are literally what they call out of their minds and they're just working off of animal instinct and they're like, yeah, let's make it real. I don't think I Speaker 5 (9:24) agree with the idea that all the people that are saying that she was assaulted are psychotic. Speaker 7 (9:31) No, Speaker 5 (9:31) I Speaker 7 (9:32) don't think all of them are. But I think it's a deep form of psychosis is when you know it's not real, but you know you can convince people of it and make it. effectively function as reality. People will do, I've seen people do it. It's crazy. And it's not uncommon either. That's the weird thing about it. Speaker 5 (9:45) That's why I say, I think that psychosis is a specific thing, like psychotic or psychotic person is a specific thing. I think that this is about the way that they feel and not wanting to feel bad about themselves. Speaker 4 (9:58) A lot, but it's about having power. It's about saying like, we get our way. We can do what we want. F off. Speaker 3 (10:05) What do you think, Thomas? I think women are impressive. I like the way they would never say a bad word against another woman. They act like sort of the world's best mafia. It's like, you know, any woman that's Speaker 4 (10:15) in trouble. I Speaker 3 (10:15) gotta disagree with that completely. Speaker 4 (10:16) You don't think? The whole base of the story? This woman in question was the centerpiece of idolization from these men. So other women started calling it rape to justify. Oh, interesting. Speaker 3 (10:30) Yeah, Speaker 4 (10:30) so here's what happens. But they're still defending her. Speaker 3 (10:32) She's not guilty in any way. Sort of, sort of. Speaker 4 (10:35) Here's what happened. She has a gangbang. She loved it. Apparently, according to some of the guys, this is a report. It may be rumors. It may not be true. There's a lot of fake news out there. But there's posts showing where the guys were like, they didn't want to hook up with her and she initiated it. And so they're like, she raved me, right? She has a gangbang. She texts the guy, like the main dude that she's like kind of hooking up with. She loved it. She said, I really liked being with you and Matt to this guy, whatever his name was. And so she's having a good time. Speaker 4 (11:04) She tells her roommates, hey, there are rumors going around that I'm a slut, and it's absolutely true. The other women went online and said they were gang raping her. Why? Speaker 4 (11:16) To justify why it would be that all of these guys wanted her at the same time. So it's jealousy. Wow. Why would you make up this story? I mean, again, I'm going to stress this is the New York Times reporting this. I'm not making this up. The New York Times reported she said it's all true and she was a slut. She was a whore. Other women started posting that she had been gang raped. In response to that post, she texted the main dude and was like, dude, this is BS. Why are they saying this? The dude said, this is BS. I'm going to report it and get it taken down. Both the woman and the guy were upset that random people from the college were accusing him of raping her. Now, the question is, psychology, why would random women go on and start attacking her as being a rape victim? Speaker 4 (12:01) The they started calling her a slut and a whore. Others started calling her a rape victim. All of it to denigrate this of her being the centerpiece of of of idolization among these men. She then gets embarrassed, her reputation ruined, and she maintains positive contact with these guys and then asks them to come to the next gangbang to which they say yes. Then the fret president says, you know what? You can't come. Why? Speaker 4 (12:32) According to the reporting from The New York Times, again, not my opinion, everybody around the school is claiming that they raped her and she's denying it and they're denying it. The frat is like, we don't want to be involved with whatever this is, so you probably shouldn't come. She gets pissed and says, I knew this would happen. It's always the woman that gets a short end of the stick. Here's the story that I see. A woman had a gangbang with a bunch of guys and loved it. The guys loved it. Women got jealous and started posting online, calling her a slut or a rape victim. The woman and the men in the gangbang were pissed off. Everybody was embarrassed. She said, they won't leave me alone. My reputation is ruined. He says, don't worry, it'll blow over. They're friends. But finally then, when the frat says, you're not welcome at our frat house anymore because of the damage to all of their reputations, She then basically says it's time for revenge. Speaker 4 (13:24) I got to be honest. None of these people are good people. Right. So it's funny. It's like, I'm not taking, I got people hitting me up being like, why are you defending these frat guys? What? They're scumbags. They're having ketamine gangbangs. I don't like these guys. They're losers. But I'll add to that. They backstabbed this chick. Speaker 3 (13:40) They Speaker 4 (13:40) stabbed her in the back. She wanted to keep hanging out with the guy and go to another gangbang, and they wouldn't let her come because they didn't like the bad reputation they got from having the gangbang in the first place with her. And Speaker 7 (13:52) it's probably even more nuanced. I don't know how many dudes were involved. Five? I keep picturing five to seven. It was seven? Cornell seven, that quarter. Speaker 6 (13:59) Oh, Speaker 7 (14:00) holler. It's grand and ready. That's great grand in scope. I don't know if that's a good or evil thing, but anyway. Maybe a couple of those guys did call it like leave and they're like, yo, that girl's a slut and started spreading it. But the main guy didn't. And he's like, oh, my God, this is so out Speaker 4 (14:15) of hand. Yeah. And then maybe girls. She Speaker 7 (14:17) sent Speaker 4 (14:17) them a heart emoji saying, I'm going to bring my cigs to the party. It sounds wanted the second gangbang. It Speaker 7 (14:22) really sounds like a spiraling of shame that the center few people experienced. And then it got more and more and more. And then. Then they they imploded. No, I was it was like people did a crazy thing now. They're ashamed of it I don't even know why this is not legal Speaker 4 (14:39) thing. I I I hear you. I hear all the theories. I'm going to go and say upon reading all of the texts, the messages, the statements, the New York Times laying out this timeline. It's pretty incredible. It's two it's two weeks after the first gangbang. They're having a Halloween party and she's like, I want to come to this one. And they're like, yeah, the guy literally says this house is your house. You are always welcome here. Then the frat president calls her and says, no, we don't think it's a good idea. Because they didn't like that people were claiming they raped her. So they said, you can't come. So what did she do? She says, fine. This is a story of betrayal. It's a story of drug gangbang losers. All of them. Everyone involved. The woman's a ketamine gangbanger and the guys are all ketamine gangbangers. Well, actually, gangbangers is not the right word. Speaker 7 (15:25) Gangbangers. Gangbangers. Speaker 4 (15:28) That's how you delineate. You know what this is? The lowest circle of hell is reserved for the betrayers and the mutineers. So I'll just say this. First, I would never be involved in a gangbang, let alone a ketamine gangbang or even doing ketamine. I've never done hard drugs in my life. So I just have no respect for any of these people. But I said this earlier today. If I was in college, part of a frat or something, and there was a chick that I was friends with and we had hooked up and people were spreading rumors about us and they were insulting us. And then my frat or whatever told her she was not welcome to hang out. You know what I'd do? I'd text her back and say, I'm ditching the party and coming to hang with you. I don't betray my friends like that. If they've got a problem with this, that's on them, not on me, and I won't leave you behind. Speaker 7 (16:12) Frats are pretty crazy. I wasn't in a frat in college, but they would probably throw you out of the frat if you did something like that. I think frat people are losers. I always kind of thought so. I never joined it on purpose. My first week at college, I was a freshman. We were walking down the street, me and my roommate Bob, my college buddy. We've known each other since we were three. We went to this frat party and they were like, foosball? And they were playing. I was like, yeah, I'm really good at foosball. They're like, okay, but if we shut you out 10 to nothing, you have to streak naked through the house. And I was like, all right, I'm good at foosball. They beat me. They were not going to stand. Nine to nothing. Speaker 6 (16:43) And then I scored. Speaker 7 (16:44) I scored a goal. And they were like, no! They were all pissed off. Dude, I was sweating so hard. It was crazy. Just drunken. Frats Speaker 4 (16:50) are pretty Speaker 7 (16:50) gay. What's that? Speaker 4 (16:51) Like pretty gay. It wanted Speaker 7 (16:52) me naked, dude. Speaker 4 (16:53) It was crazy. Okay, here's what I have to say about frats. I don't care about fraternities or sororities in the general sense of like. You find a community that you're going to work with in college. And then when you guys get older, you have friends, you have connections. Oh, that's great. But I'm talking specifically about these dudes. You see the story where they found a bunch of freshmen in a basement covered in ketchup? Yeah. If I find out, and look, I understand who am I, right? I'm not a hedge fund. I'm not, you know, whatever. I'm nobody. I'll just tell you this, though, for what it's worth. Anybody comes to a job from, comes to me for a job. I'm going to be like, yep, where you want to fret? Were you hazed? You were? Get the fuck out of my house. We had on. I'm not hiring anybody. Look, Speaker 3 (17:33) there aren't that many places for men anymore. And like, you know, that kind of is an attack on another sort of brotherhood. There aren't, you know, look at what every society and, you know, members clubs and things. You can't have men only place anymore. You're not in the only one place where you can Speaker 4 (17:47) like just get men together. Yeah, no, you're not a man. If you get on your knees so a guy can smack you with a half fistful of ketchup. Those are Speaker 3 (17:53) the extreme stories. I'm sure. I agree. I don't think that always happens, but I don't think we should be getting rid of male spaces. I didn't say that. I said the frats are fine. Speaker 7 (18:01) Like the term fraternity, you got really psychotic fraternities and then you have like cool places. That's exactly what I said. Speaker 3 (18:07) I'm just in the movies, but apparently it sounds pretty realistic. The idea of a Speaker 4 (18:11) fraternity where you can make friends and you have a male space, as I already said, all of that is fine. However, there are too many of these that do these hazing rituals. And if you engage in hazing, you're a loser. You are a loser. That's just it. You need validation and acceptance so bad you get on your knees for another man. I'm not interested in working with a person like that. Speaker 7 (18:32) It's Speaker 4 (18:32) kind Speaker 7 (18:32) of like boot camp, but I don't know. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's Speaker 4 (18:35) civilian Speaker 7 (18:35) boot camp. No, Speaker 4 (18:36) no, no way. Boot camp is based AF. Boot camp is you go in and there is a storied, learned guy telling you to stop being a bitch and go crawl through the mud to be a better man. Hazing is get on your knees for me so I can smack you with a fistful of ketchup. Speaker 7 (18:50) I didn't do boot camp and I didn't do hazing, but I think the similarity is they want to break your will so that you become one of the group. That's the point of the... The horrific experience. I, I, Speaker 4 (19:01) I. Speaker 7 (19:01) Basic Speaker 4 (19:02) training is to strip down your Speaker 7 (19:04) inner bitch. You did it. You did it literally. Basically. Yeah. What, how did you, what was your take on it? Speaker 5 (19:09) Um, it was a lot about teaching you teamwork, teaching you to stop thinking about yourself as an individual, uh, thinking yourself as a member of a team and focus on whatever your goal is at the time. It's part of the reason why, like if, if one person messes up. Everybody goes and does PT. They had this this area called the pit, which is just basically a sandbox and everyone out. If someone messes up, they'll put everybody in the sandbox and you're all doing PT in the sandbox, sit ups, whatever. And if you you don't want to be the reason why everyone goes to the pit, you don't want to be the reason why everyone has to go and roll around in the sand and be miserable for the rest of the day. So a lot and a lot of it is it's teaching you to, you know, it's mostly. a lot of it's getting to getting you to pay attention to details because details matter and it's also getting you to work as a team member um hazing Speaker 4 (20:05) is mindless uh there was that one remember that one where the cops came and they had a bunch of dudes locked in the basement and the cops were like what do you can't do this and not a one of the guys would speak out against like dude I the last thing I need when I'm trying to build something is somebody who is so mentally weak. They would let another man do that to them. That's just the reality. Basic training. An individual enlists signs up to enter a tough physical space because they have chosen to strip themselves of their inner bitch. And Speaker 7 (20:39) also. when you allow yourself to go through a horrific training process, if there's a goal at the end that you're trying to accomplish something, that's reasonable. But if it's just a party house, like you want to make friends, it's not a good reason to do it. Speaker 5 (20:50) It's not, first of all, it's not like horrible, right? Like basic training is hard, right? But it's not like they're not, it's not horrible. Like you don't feel like when the, when your drill instructors are yelling at you or whatever, it doesn't feel personal. Right. Even though they'll say sometimes they'll say some pretty nasty stuff or whatever, at least when I was and they did. It didn't feel like it was personal and it didn't feel like they were trying to embarrass you or mock you. Right. It was trying to it was Speaker 7 (21:20) trying to teach you to do the correct to do things the right way. You didn't see a humiliation ritual. No, no, no. Full metal jacket. The movie, you know, there's instances of the drill sergeant humiliating one of them because he had a donut in his. Speaker 5 (21:32) I can't speak to I can't speak to what. Basic was like in the 60s. Okay, I can't, I don't know. I wasn't there. I went in the 90s. But, you know, they would still yell at you. They would still swear. They would still be like, you know, they would still call you names. But it wasn't about humiliating you. It was about correcting you making an error. So, again, this is, I can't speak for older generations. I know that the standards have changed and I know that it's different now too. But when I went through, it wasn't humiliation rituals. It wasn't trying to embarrass you. It wasn't trying to make you feel like you were an idiot or something. They were trying to correct you for errors that you made and trying to teach you how to do things right. They weren't soft on you, and it was hard, but it wasn't super horrifying. Like, one of the things that people get a lot, hear a lot of stories about or get most worked up about is, like, the gas chamber that you go into. And there's a lot of buildup to that, but... You get instruction. If you follow the instructions, it's not that bad. It's really not. The only point of the gas is to make sure that you can clear your gas mask properly. And the gas lets you know that you screwed up if you do it wrong. Right? It's not going to hurt you. Speaker 7 (22:45) Like a live fire training or something? Speaker 4 (22:47) Basic training isn't a, we did it so you have to. It's basic training. You're eating better food. You're getting fit. In these three months, you're going to get rid of all that fat. You're going to be able to do push-ups. You're going to have some strength. You're going to be better prepared. Right, the shared humiliation. And Speaker 7 (23:03) you do Speaker 4 (23:03) PT every day? Speaker 7 (23:04) Yeah. The shared humiliation of frats and, like, the whole, that's really, really crazy to me. That was so weird. They, like, put shaving cream on. I mean, just the amount of things they would do. They started to make it illegal at a lot of colleges. Did Speaker 5 (23:16) you see that stuff when you went to college? No, I Speaker 7 (23:19) stayed away from frats pretty much the whole time. We had a frat in the theater department. I was a theater major after my freshman, sophomore year, but I didn't join it. Our parties were kind of crazy, but like no gang bangs that anyone talked about. You probably have the occasional threesome of one for sure. Speaker 4 (23:37) Let's jump to this story. So we've got a handful of posts here. It is now being alleged by numerous large X accounts that Lucy Craig is the individual known as Jane Doe. I've not been able to independently verify that. So I say right now, I don't know that it's true. But the amount of people, I mean, millions upon millions of followers everywhere on the Internet posting photos of her. They're all saying it's her. My presumption is, look, everybody at Cornell knew who this girl was because the story was massively viral and she was being called a slut and a whore and all that stuff. So it's not even about whether one of these seven guys released her information, but how do you remain a Jane Doe when everyone at your college knew what you did? Speaker 7 (24:20) Yeah. Sooner or later, Speaker 4 (24:21) her name was coming out. Yeah. Speaker 7 (24:22) That's another thing of like, yo, if this happened, maybe it was embarrassing. Maybe people were calling you a slut, but you kind of keep it to yourself. It's sort of that whole, you don't want to freak out about it. You kind of want to make light Speaker 4 (24:32) of it. I got to pause you. She stated in the documents, she is quoted as saying she is a slut. Speaker 7 (24:41) Yeah, it's true. She did it. When people make fun, if people make fun of you, if you take it personally, you go, stop. No, no. It gets worse and worse and worse. But if you just like, yeah, it goes away instantly. So this is what Speaker 4 (24:54) happened when people were calling her a whore and a slut. She texted the main dude and he was like, I'm sorry. Like, it's going to blow over. People will just ignore it. It'll go away. She's like, you're right. It'll get better. And then someone started posting that she had been gang raped and she got pissed. The dude, she texts him like, why are they saying this? And he said, this is BS. I'm going to report this and get it removed. Other people made up the rape story and she was with them. No. Check this post out from AF Post. Fraternity brothers, Gilio Lopez and Winston Lee, allege that Lucy Craig initiated unwanted and non-consensual sexual contact with them. The Cornell son doxed both men as rapists, despite statements suggesting that Craig was the aggressor. Now, AF Post posted this image. I'm presuming that's Lucy Craig. Gina Milan posted, this is Lucy Craig, aka Jane Doe, who was allegedly the victim in the Cornell lawsuit. One of her recent IG posts is just a photo of her from the chest down showing off her outfit with the caption, fun and funky outfits keep the sorrows away. From what I can see, she seems to be enjoying life and posting pictures like everything is completely normal. The whole thing is bizarre. Now I'll say it again. I've not been able to find any verification that Lucy Craig is Jane Doe. Speaker 4 (26:08) But everybody's posting that it is. Take that for what it means. If it turns out Lucy Craig is not this, or this is not the right Lucy Craig. Speaker 4 (26:18) then people are going to get sued. People got some splinting Speaker 5 (26:21) to do. Speaker 4 (26:21) Well, so there are some posts going around, allegedly of the frat bros talking about it, and there's an Asian woman. And so... Some people are like that's not her. I Speaker 7 (26:33) tried to search Lucy Craig on Instagram. Speaker 4 (26:34) There's pictures of an Asian woman and they're like they're having a gangbang with an Asian woman. Well Speaker 3 (26:39) the guys names rule. you know, every one of the guys has been Doxed. And I think it's, you know, I don't want to Dox them, but I think a lot of people have seen their faces. It's kind of interesting. It's very diverse. Have you seen the crowd of guys? They kind of tick every box. There's even like a little Hawaii, like Islander guy. There's a black guy, there's Speaker 2 (26:55) a Speaker 3 (26:55) white guy, there's like a Latino guy. I'm like, wow, they really ticked all the diversity. But I think a lot of people are implying that this is like your traditional frat bro, like white crew of like, you know, waspy people. It's actually not. It's a very different crew. So, yeah, the whole story is. But, you know, their lives are ruined. One of the guys already lost his job at a bank and, you know, and literally have not been proven anything that they did. But their lives are kind of over. That's the problem with these things is that there's, you know, there's no, they don't need to be proven guilty of anything. I think we should stand up for these people. And I Speaker 7 (27:27) mean, all of Lucy also, like, none of you guys did anything wrong. You had a crazy freaking night, obviously. Speaker 5 (27:34) It Speaker 7 (27:34) was animalistic. Speaker 5 (27:35) OK, come on. If she's going to press charges, she did something wrong. If she consented the entire time, if the story, if the statements to the police are correct and she consented, which is what the evidence points at right now. And then years later, she says, I'm going to press charges and I'm going to, you know, sue you in a civil lawsuit. then she did something wrong. Look at this. Additionally, Letitia James, AOC, all the people that have already chimed in and said that they have decided that the men are guilty, they've done something wrong as well. Speaker 4 (28:12) Look at this. Mr. Lopez said that she initiated the sexual contact and did not ask for his consent. He left around 2 a.m., he said, after he became uncomfortable and went with three friends at McDonald's. He said he did not tell them what had transpired in part because he was admittedly a bit embarrassed about what happened. Mr. Lee also said that Jane Doe initiated sexual activity without asking. He said she snorted. He said he snorted a line of ketamine off her body and she tried to initiate sex. I kind of took a step back because I didn't want to engage in anything like sex. I thought it wasn't the time for that. But later in the night, Mr. Lee said he asked for Jane Doe's consent before engaging in a threesome with her. He recalled telling Jane Doe, if you're uncomfortable with any of this or you don't want to do this, that's perfectly fine. We can call it a night. She replied, we're all consenting adults here. This Speaker 7 (28:57) is the most crazy story. What? So earlier in the night, he snorted K off her body. And but she and she probably reached for him and like grabbed at him and he was like, no, no, no, no, no, not yet. Not now. And then later he was like, God, I really I really am horny. And so he goes back to his like, hey, are you still down? And she's like, yeah, of course. Well, this Speaker 4 (29:12) is this is this is horrifying. I mean, she raped him. He couldn't consent. Speaker 7 (29:15) He was Speaker 4 (29:16) high. He did drugs and she reached for him and he said no. Later on, when he was too intoxicated, no, it was going on. She raped him. Speaker 3 (29:24) If the drugs are on her body, does that mean she provided the drugs? Maybe. I don't know. I mean, look, Speaker 4 (29:28) they're all ketamine gangbangers. I have no sympathy for any of them, but the truth, okay? The truth is it's not rape. Speaker 5 (29:35) Yeah, if they can all corroborate that she said we're all consenting adults here, Speaker 4 (29:40) that Speaker 5 (29:40) right there kills the case. And additionally, there was something that was said. I don't know if it's in this particular screen cap, but she said there were times where... They discussed certain sexual acts that she declined and they didn't do those and certain sexual acts that she she consented to. And they did those that of that right there shows that all of the allegations of sexual misconduct are false. So Speaker 4 (30:07) wait, wait, wait, hold on. This is amazing. We got texts here. Apparently it's from ABC. I got to fact check this. I know some of them are. I know the first two are true, but listen to this, bro. Everyone knows I'm incredibly stressed out. Some random. censored, told some of my friends. I don't even know who that is, how she know me. I will also say this, say this is my life temporarily. My reputation is destroyed and I'm utterly ashamed. You're right. It'll get better. And you think everyone's just jealous of us, but also like everyone needs to grow up because sexuality and sex and redacted is changing and stuff like this is going to become more common. I'm also really open minded, though. I love you, King. Also, tell anyone who gives you ish that I'll actually beat them up that don't want that smoke. I promise. So what I can say is I'm going to I'm going to try and get pulled up, pull this up, because it's just an image on X. But. Speaker 4 (31:02) These are all in the New York Times story. Even the, you're right, it'll get better. But holy crap, if she did say, everyone needs to grow up, it's going to become, I love you, it's going to become normal, I love you, King. Speaker 3 (31:14) That's text from her to him? Yes. I like the first reply there, calling her Gangbang Jane. Is that her new nickname? Speaker 4 (31:21) Well, I mean, it's Jane Doe, right? Speaker 7 (31:23) A Speaker 3 (31:24) question also, Speaker 7 (31:25) this is a little tangential, I don't think this actually happened in this story, but considering rape, like, if you're having sex with someone, and it's going on for 10, 20, 30 minutes or whatever. It's four hours, however you like to do it. And then she's like, okay, stop. And you keep having sex. I guess that you would consider that rape. If you're like, hold on, hold on, stop. She's right. And then she doesn't stop. That would be technically rape. What if it's your wife and it's been going on for 20? She's like, I'm tired. And you're just, is that rape? Yes. Is that illegal? Yes. I know. Think about Speaker 4 (31:55) that. Oh, my God. Have you ever been with a girl and she's like, Speaker 7 (31:58) stop pretending, use that cheap voice. And you're like, don't pretend to tell me to stop because later you can pretend to Speaker 5 (32:05) charge me with