The Jake Mueser Interview with Throwing Fits
Throwing Fits
Jake Mueser, founder and creative director of the bespoke tailoring brand J. Mueser, joins the podcast to discuss the art and business of mo
Key takeaways
- Mueser advises men to start with a versatile navy or charcoal gray suit, emphasizing balance over rigid tailoring rules
- The brand's hybrid aesthetic blends English precision with Neapolitan softness, reflecting New York's cultural mix
Main topics
- Bespoke tailoring fundamentals & first suit advice
- Wedding suit recommendations & timeless styling
Notable quotes
"Fuck the rules. There's no one thing. There's no correct sauce."
Conclusion
The episode offers actionable menswear guidance while providing an ins
Transcript preview
Speaker 2 (0:00) Our guest this week put his name on the door because as his own inspiration, he's the musee and the muser, and his work belongs in a museum. Loosen your tie and roll up your sleeves for a pie that's tailor-made with one of New York's greatest suitsmen as we get him to speak on Bespoke and prove he's the MTM MVP. Here to chat what's trending in the tailoring world, developing the brand's ready-to-wear offering, and giving the only wedding suit advice you will ever need. Big pressure. The founder and creative director of J Muser, Jake Muser. Jake, how the hell are you? Doing well, Speaker 4 (0:27) doing well. Good to be here. How often do you meet people and they think your name is Jay? Speaker 3 (0:33) Pretty often. Yo, what up, Jay? Nice to meet you, bro. They're like, this guy's Jay. You know Jay Muser? I'm like, it's Jake, but that doesn't matter. Speaker 2 (0:39) Why'd you go? You only took three letters off the name. Why couldn't you just have done the brand full Jake Muser? Is that like a trademark thing? Speaker 3 (0:44) It Speaker 2 (0:44) felt like too much. Speaker 3 (0:44) Too much. Speaker 2 (0:45) You're so humble, guy. Speaker 4 (0:47) He got rid of the ache. Yeah. All right. Well, speaking of Jay Muser, I would imagine that you're wearing some of your own stuff. Let's Speaker 3 (0:54) do Speaker 4 (0:54) a quick little fit check, Jake. Speaker 3 (0:57) j muser suit double-breasted brown j muser shirt wait what's the fabric give us a little Speaker 4 (1:02) more information brown Speaker 3 (1:03) high twist one of our developments house fabric and we've got our house tensile work shirt um that's the extent of the j muser okay Speaker 4 (1:13) vintage Speaker 3 (1:13) ralph alligator loafers damn bro socks i have no idea where we got these um Speaker 3 (1:21) undies i think are bombas thanks to okay randy gold randy yeah throwing it at me um and then what do we got here i've got a signet ring um a my my keith skull ring from the great frog got some bracelets you know vintage gold gmt over very nice Speaker 2 (1:41) a little wedding band because ladies he's taken yeah which is Speaker 3 (1:44) and the wedding band forgot to mention that right right right well what Speaker 2 (1:47) was your wedding suit Speaker 3 (1:48) Uh, wedding suit was a velvet dinner jacket and black tie ensemble. Delicious. Speaker 4 (1:54) Did you make that? Were you making clothes at the time? Was that you or did Speaker 3 (1:57) you? Oh yeah, that was me. Okay. Delivered very last minute. This was a classic. I had like a friend of mine who's this bespoke tailor who was helping work on it. It was like a real smoking jacket. It was pretty over the top. And it was like, I'm getting dressed. My wedding was in the city. I'm at the Bowery. My shop at the time was like, it was at Lower East Side was our studio. And I'm kind of texting him like, dude, I gotta. I got to like head to the wedding in about 20 minutes. Speaker 2 (2:19) Day of delivery? That's crazy. You've got to Speaker 3 (2:21) finish it up. Bring my jacket over. He's like, be right there, boss. Be right there, boss. I mean, you kind of Speaker 2 (2:26) - Speaker 3 (2:26) I had to make it as last minute as possible. Speaker 2 (2:28) Exactly. You kind of have no one to blame except for yourself, right? When did you get it to Speaker 3 (2:31) the Speaker 2 (2:31) tailor? Speaker 3 (2:32) I knew that it fit. It was all this hand embroidery that was going on. So it was all this other stuff. The fit was dialed in. It was just a lot of- The bells and whistles. The bells and whistles. Have you ever Speaker 4 (2:41) worn it again? Speaker 3 (2:42) A couple times. Speaker 4 (2:44) Okay. It's a little bit Speaker 3 (2:45) much. It's a lot. Still fits? Still. Speaker 1 (2:50) Yeah. Speaker 3 (2:50) It's Speaker 1 (2:51) loose Speaker 3 (2:51) in the waist and tight in the shoulder. Got it. Something like that. Yeah. Getting fucking brawly. Yeah. Exactly. All Speaker 2 (2:56) right. Let's get into the main details of the only podcast matters. Jake. we get a lot of questions about suiting all the time. So we want to get them out of the way, kind of just like the basics of like what we hear all the fucking time so that we can always, whenever we get these, like go listen to Jake Muser episode. What is the first suit a guy should buy? Speaker 3 (3:15) First suit you should buy, I mean, it's probably navy or it's charcoal gray. Something classic, two button, maybe three rolled to two, very minimal. You don't want to stand out. You want to be Speaker 4 (3:25) able Speaker 3 (3:25) to wear it for as many things as you can. You know, Speaker 4 (3:28) I Speaker 3 (3:28) think being pragmatic, something that you can just like get a lot of use out of, something that travels well. I mean, most of the fabrics we use, we use a lot of high twist fabrics. They're resilient. So something, yeah, it's either charcoal gray or navy. Probably navy. So Speaker 2 (3:41) cover your basics and make sure versatility is like. first and foremost, a priority. Speaker 3 (3:45) Yeah. And you don't want it to stand out too much. You wear these suits, whether you're wearing it to the office and you've got to wear it on a regular basis, or you're wearing it to events with the same people. You want it to look good, but you don't want someone to be like, oh, you're wearing that suit again. Oh, yeah, yeah. It's not that suit. The pan-embroidered Speaker 4 (4:00) smoking jacket. Speaker 3 (4:01) Yeah. Speaker 4 (4:01) I saw that at your Speaker 3 (4:02) wedding. You just want someone looking and be like, that's a nice looking suit. Right. And you're like, same one I was wearing two days ago, but it doesn't matter because it's just like classic. It doesn't stick out. It's just like. Right. So kind of like be the background a little bit. Absolutely. Be the background. If you want to spice it up with some, you know, with a louder shirt or a tie or a polo or a sweater or a t-shirt, you can do all that different stuff to dress it up and dress it down. But let the suit be like a more blank canvas. Speaker 4 (4:29) Here's a question with that blank canvas. How are we feeling? Assuming this is the first suit, are we doing like pleats, cuffs? Like in terms of the details, is that like the way to make it special or do you have advice in that area as well? Speaker 3 (4:41) I think it depends on the build. I like cuffs. Not everyone likes it. There's different ideas around cuffs don't suit you if you're too short. I'm short where cuffs Speaker 2 (4:50) like it. I don't believe in all these rules. What's the dumbest rule in suiting? We should just fucking ignore every single time. Dumbest rule. There's so many. Yeah, Speaker 3 (4:59) right. So many of these rules. Everybody makes up about, you know, there's all these weird ones and some I think. you know you take with like all these of all those alan flusser you know dress demand there's so many of these ones and some make sense some don't i think it has to do with just you know who you are i don't Speaker 2 (5:14) know there's Speaker 3 (5:15) one rule that really like sticks out what's Speaker 2 (5:17) the one rule that you think is like a cardinal rule that should be followed every time in tailoring Speaker 3 (5:23) Cardinal rule you've got to follow every time. Same thing. I don't believe in rules. Speaker 4 (5:29) Oh, come on. Speaker 3 (5:29) Fuck the rules. There's Speaker 2 (5:31) no one Speaker 3 (5:31) thing. There's no, like, it's not, there's no correct sauce. Like, there's too many people out there and maybe I should be giving you the decisive answer, but it's not that simple. It's not about what's right and wrong. It's like, you've got to find these things. It's not shoulders? I mean, listen, if something doesn't fit, then Speaker 2 (5:45) that's Speaker 3 (5:45) wrong. That's right. I could say, if a suit doesn't fit, then no, that's not good. If it, you know, I think that there's different things about symmetry. You know, if you've got a really tight pair of pants, you should probably have a slim fit jacket, vice Speaker 4 (5:58) versa. If you've Speaker 3 (5:58) got a really tailored jacket. You don't want your trousers to be super full cut. These things have to be in balance. That goes for the lapel. You got massive lapels. You shouldn't have a tiny little collar on it. Speaker 4 (6:08) All of these things have to be Speaker 3 (6:10) balanced between all those things. Harmony. But there's no one like don't wear black shoes with a, you know, with a brown suit, which I love to wear. Yeah. Speaker 4 (6:19) What about black shoes, brown belt? That's not really a suiting rule. That's just kind of. Speaker 3 (6:22) That's a Speaker 4 (6:22) rule. Speaker 3 (6:22) You can't, you can't do that. You got to keep the belt Speaker 4 (6:24) and Speaker 2 (6:24) the shoes the same. What about those, what about those caramel colored Kenneth Cole like sneaker hybrid shoes? Just don't on those. So it's not even worth thinking about the belt. The groomsmen twos. What are the most common mistakes, whether you believe in them or not, like the biggest common mistakes you see guys committing when they do acquire a big boy suit? I Speaker 3 (6:42) think the biggest one is people wanting to overdo it. Like you feel like you're there. You're like, I'm getting a custom suit. And I want to just like, they're getting so, they're like, all right, I want to do triple pleats and I want to do this. And they're like, or some guys are like, I want to add all these other. crazy details i want to do a back belt and an elbow patch Speaker 4 (7:00) and Speaker 3 (7:00) this the lining and i want to do a hot colored lining and i think you can have like one of these little things i mean some of them maybe i would say not to do but like generally like you don't like it's like it's one little thing packs like that little punch maybe you maybe you want to have a little fun with the lining or something but you don't need like every detail that you've seen on every hashtag Speaker 2 (7:17) menswear blog post thing Speaker 3 (7:19) and bring it all under the sun. Like you find like one little thing that you, that you throw in there. Is Speaker 2 (7:24) that your job to kind of walk people back? Be like, listen guys, like I know that you want to look like you want to do it all. Speaker 3 (7:29) It's all dress shit, but definitely. I mean, that's the job of whether it's myself or one of my team members working with someone. It's a bit like being a Somali. I described it. I mean, maybe just cause I love wine. So I think about it a lot. Um, but you know, in a lot of different ways, I have a lot of similarities, I think between. sommeliers and what we do. But I think that it's like, you got to think about what the occasion is. Someone's like, all right, I'm going to, I'm ordering this kind of fish dish and I want this super heavy Amarone. You're like, I don't know if that's the right wine for that fish. Like I'm not, I love Amarone. I love fish, but I'm not sure that's the right pair. Let's think about what we can do here. And I think it's our job to look at those things. Like, hey, that's an interesting check that you've got, but then we've got to pair the shirt down or let's. Let's work through these things. What is it that resonates with you? We want to get you the thing you want, but we want to help temper it. It's hard when you're flipping through fabrics, too, to know what that's going to look like. Yeah, for Speaker 2 (8:22) sure. So when you're helping someone, because I think one of the toughest and most intimidating things about getting a suit made, period, is understanding the bigger picture when you're just doing the swatches. Is it helpful, going back to the sommelier thing, is it helpful for you to get the context of what the guy... needs the suit for what he's like, what his life is all about. Yeah. A hundred percent. That's one of the first things we ask. Tell me about you. Yeah. If it's for a wedding or for, Speaker 3 (8:48) let's get deep. But mostly it's like, you know, what is this for? Is it for an event for a wedding or is it for work? Is it for this? Or is it just for parties? And if it's, you know, like we're looking at all these different things and like, what makes the most sense and how can we like find the right thing for that occasion? And then it's guiding them through what that, what that is. Okay. Speaker 2 (9:07) What's the, oh, and with the. With like hashtag menswear and all these fucking subreddits and mood boards and everything. Have you seen, how long have you been doing this for? Speaker 2 (9:16) So. Speaker 3 (9:18) I opened in 2009, really full time. 2009, opened the first shop in 2010. That's like pre-IG, right? Yeah. Oh yeah. 2012 IG. Have you seen Speaker 2 (9:29) with social media guys wanting like more bells and whistles? Speaker 3 (9:34) Definitely. Just because when I first started, was that real? There was a time in my first shop was kind of like we were maybe like on the forefront of pushing some. OK. Some kind of, you know, some maybe some neo-Edwardian stuff. Oh, Speaker 4 (9:46) some questionable Speaker 3 (9:47) choices. Some questionable choices. Like Speaker 2 (9:49) steampunk? Yeah, we won't go that far. OK. There was some Speaker 3 (9:52) velvet top collars. No Speaker 2 (9:53) top Speaker 3 (9:53) hats? Definitely no top hat. Cuckoo clocks in them? You know, I think I was a lot more Anglophile. I was looking a lot at English tailoring. So it was a mix of kind of. And I love like, you know, I'm this rock and roll background. I love the way the Teddy boys dressed and all those kind of early Malcolm McLaren. I was really into that. And then I was also into like, it Speaker 2 (10:13) kind of Speaker 3 (10:13) like, you know, Paul Weller, the jam, the mod revival. Speaker 4 (10:17) So it's a bunch of these different things kind of coming together. So you're addressing a lot of mixologists is what you were saying. Oh yeah. A lot of mix. Yeah. It was, that was, that was the era. A lot Speaker 2 (10:25) of Speaker 4 (10:25) speakeasy. Speaker 3 (10:26) I Speaker 2 (10:27) need a pocket for a custom pocket for my muddler. Yeah. My mortal and pestle. Okay, what's the second suit a guy should get? Speaker 3 (10:35) Well, probably if you started with your navy, then your gray is your second one. But Speaker 2 (10:40) if you're a Speaker 3 (10:41) house brand, for me, it's Speaker 4 (10:42) chocolate brown. Speaker 3 (10:43) That's like one of my favorite suits. I mean, I wear them nonstop. This has become kind of like my thing that people mock me for. But I like a dark brown suit for a lot of reasons. I think, I mean, for me, I think I resonate towards it. because it speaks to someone that's kind of outside of the office. It doesn't feel like a business suit. So let me refresh that. If you need it for a conservative business attire, then it is probably not what I would recommend. I might be recommending a subtle pinstripe or really like subtle glenshack or maybe a double-breasted, something like that. Speaker 4 (11:16) Is the chocolate brown lane like perfect for the guy who's like, I don't need this for anything. I just want to have a suit that I want to wear. A hundred percent. It feels like elective dress. Speaker 3 (11:26) You're like, you're wearing this suit. You're like, this is not an office suit. This is something that's fun. This is something that feels maybe inherently Speaker 2 (11:32) a bit more creative or something like that. Also goes great with a lot more shirts. Speaker 3 (11:37) Yeah. Brown is like, I mean, there's almost no color. It doesn't work with neutral goes brown shoes, black shoes, you name it. Right. Uh, how much should guys be paying for a suit in 2026? Speaker 3 (11:48) And this is a complicated one. You know, in the office, and I think sometimes when you're, you know, in one price point, you're familiar with too many other price points, you start saying crazy things like, that's a great deal. That's like $3,000. Like, that's so Speaker 4 (12:01) affordable. Which Speaker 2 (12:02) is Speaker 3 (12:02) crazy because that's a lot of money. Welcome to our life, dude. And, you know, when you're like, and so I think you've got Speaker 2 (12:08) to- Speaker 3 (12:08) Cost per wear, Speaker 2 (12:08) cost per wear. Yeah, Speaker 3 (12:09) exactly. You've got to think about, you know, you know. what you're willing to spend and what feels comfortable. And I think within that, there's great stuff at so many different price points right now. I mean, if I were to speak to my suits, my suits are around $3,000. That's expensive. It doesn't feel crazy. When I think of the amount of work, the amount of labor, the amount of attention we put into it, it feels really reasonable. It feels like exactly where it should be. You get Speaker 2 (12:31) a jacket Speaker 3 (12:32) and Speaker 2 (12:32) pants. Speaker 3 (12:32) You get a jacket and pants. It's two for the price of a Warren dog. And, you know, but there's, I mean, there are brands out there just doing crazy stuff these days. I mean, obviously even the expensive brands have just gotten into this stratospheric quality. I mean, I've had guys that are, you know, real serious, serious high net worth individuals being like, man. those guys are out of control. When you're spending $15,000, $20,000 on a suit, what? Two pieces? That's a lot. Even for someone who's Speaker 4 (12:57) worth like billions of dollars. Is it made out of fucking Speaker 3 (12:58) whale skin? I mean, it's, you know. Speaker 4 (13:03) There's a lot of high fashion ready-to-wear suiting, and not that it's not good, like Tom Ford YSL. It's insane. It's like $8,000 to $10 Speaker 3 (13:09) ,000 for a ready-to-wear suit. I mean, that's like. That's that tier. But then when you go into the Stefano Ricci, Bijon's and this stuff. Oh, Bijon. The house of Bijon, dude. You're getting this $20,000 suit range. Do Speaker 4 (13:22) you Speaker 3 (13:22) own Speaker 4 (13:22) any Bij? Unfortunately, no. Speaker 2 (13:25) You Speaker 4 (13:26) don't have a mustard yellow Speaker 3 (13:27) 3P Speaker 2 (13:27) suit from the house of Bijon? I have an eBay alert set Speaker 4 (13:29) for Bijon. Speaker 2 (13:30) Oh, fuck yeah. Did Speaker 4 (13:32) he Speaker 2 (13:32) collab with like Michael Jordan or Michael Jordan was in his advocacy or something? I Speaker 4 (13:35) think Jordan shopped there. There's some sort of Speaker 2 (13:37) Jordan connection. Speaker 4 (13:38) I mean, lots of, lots of, yeah. Only Speaker 3 (13:39) the finest for the gun. If you remember, there was a lot of Bijan and Paul Speaker 2 (13:42) Manafort stuff. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's the most you've ever spent on a suit? Speaker 3 (13:47) Most I've ever spent on a suit. Speaker 2 (13:50) And what's the least you've ever Speaker 3 (13:52) spent on a suit? The most I've probably spent, I've had a few different suits made by tailors in Italy, probably three or 4,000, something like that. Like I've never gone nuts. Speaker 3 (14:03) I think about splurging for a Savile Row suit because it feels like an educational thing and I'm tempted to do it. It's Speaker 4 (14:08) the Speaker 3 (14:08) experience, right? Speaker 4 (14:09) Yeah, there's an Speaker 3 (14:09) experience. There's something to just see how they do it. And I haven't really felt the need that strongly to take the plunge yet. Not yet. What's the least you've ever spent? I mean, God knows, $50. Yeah, when you were young and broke, were you like hitting the Speaker 2 (14:22) bins? Yeah, Speaker 3 (14:23) I mean, I used to, I loved, I mean, I grew up this kind of like DIY punk rock kid, knew how to sew. I used to go buy suits like. at thrift shops and tailor them to my myself like that was the whole thing i love that i mean i remember also maybe this was a little bit more expensive but really pretty reasonable going to rue saint denis i don't know if you guys remember that vintage store on avenue b that had all these dead stock pure carden 70 suits it was like place was amazing and you get it unworn with tags pure carden suit for like 200 bucks buy that tailor it to myself i was like that's awesome yeah Speaker 2 (14:55) um okay last basic advice question It's more of a statement. Wedding suit advice, go. Or tux. Speaker 3 (15:05) Try to find something timeless. I mean, that's the main one. Like you're going to look at these pictures for a long time. You don't get divorced. You get divorced. You look like you're still going to maybe look back. You want to look back and be like, that feels timeless. So try not to be too of the moment, whatever that is. Like if it's now, like you don't need the fit to be that big. Right. It was, I don't know, years ago. I'd be like, we don't need to be that slim. Let's make this thing classic. You look at pictures of your. grandparents or something like that. They look amazing. Um, I look at pictures of my dad from the early eighties. It's looking rough. It's like, it was a prisoner Speaker 4 (15:40) of the moment. Speaker 3 (15:41) Not, I mean, you just looked crazy. My dad, my dad's never, my dad, you know, I, my favorite line that he has is like, which I described as the real sprezzatura is that he, um, he says he doesn't really care what he looks like and he doesn't look in the mirror that often, but if the pattern of a shirt appeals to him on just an aesthetic level, that's enough to like a shirt. I was like, whoa. Simple man. Simple man. Are the suits too big right now? Speaker 3 (16:06) Not all. Some, I think, have gone into a category, I think, that are just getting like, it feels like reactionary. Like if you're in an arms race and you're just trying to go so far one direction, which I also kind of appreciate that. Just in clothing in general, I like when things, especially when you put guardrails on something, like when you think of what, of tailoring, it's like, all right, you've got a suit, you know, you got your jacket, your pants, your shirt. what do you do with this? Look at how many crazy things have happened. It's kind of fun when people get in that weird stuff back to that idea of like the mods. Yeah. You know, you get guys like two, three ticket pockets on one side, two, like a three ticket, three pockets on one side, two on the other angles that are insane, all this kind of stuff. It's got a lot of things to catch. But it's kind of fun. Like it's this idea of like, people are like working within like a certain frame and just pushing it. And the same thing goes, you're like, that guy's got to look at those pants. Those are huge. I can make mine even bigger. Right. I don't know if Speaker 4 (16:57) that's the right answer. Is that like, is that like, can be sloppy though, right? Like one thing to trick out details, but like if the suit is just ginormous. Yeah, it feels like it's just too much. It's just like you're doing it for Speaker 3 (17:07) the point of people looking at it and being like, whoa, that's like something so far. This guy is fucking twisted. And Speaker 4 (17:12) we Speaker 3 (17:12) saw this with the skinny suits. I mean, you saw suits that were so slim. They're like, looking at the curvature of some guy's leg, you're like, this is too much. And his cock. Yeah. Curvature of Speaker 4 (17:21) a Speaker 3 (17:21) shaft. You know. Speaker 2 (17:22) Yeah, exactly. I'm getting into good stuff here. Okay. Besides maybe oversizedness, what other like dominant and maybe, or maybe. What are the trends right now that are dominant? And then are there any emerging trends you're seeing in tailoring? It's funny because it's such a timeless, eternal category. And yet, we do find, even though menswear does move at a relatively glacial pace, we do see the trends coming and going. Even though it does sound like it's always just go timeless. And that's always the best advice. I Speaker 3 (17:53) mean, what I like right now is we're seeing a lot of restrained palettes. I Speaker 4 (17:56) mean, Speaker 3 (17:56) I like this. I lean into this a lot. And it's just refreshing to see that. you know especially when i think six eight years ago and everything was the loudest the boldest the brightest it's nice to see a lot of guys and rocking the right shade and this is when you really get you get into the weeds and you're like oh that's the perfect taupe almost gray almost brown i don't even know how to define that and this is like that's something i i do enjoy that but that seems like something that's kind of front of mind for a lot of people that are kind of thinking about this or getting into like these subtle subtle tones and Speaker 2 (18:25) that's something that's emerging and that's something that's like you're Speaker 3 (18:27) seeing Speaker 2 (18:27) a widespread right now I think Speaker 3 (18:28) that is emerging and kind of maybe we're really in that moment right now what Speaker 2 (18:32) do you think of the American obsession with vintage Armani tailoring and maybe this does play into like the oversizedness of it all the flowiness the soft structure are you into it or has it become like too much of a sheep thing I Speaker 3 (18:45) mean I'm super into it I love it I think it's a natural black palette refresher after different things that have you know when you think of the some of the other things from that it feels like it was a natural reaction to kind of what was happening five six years ago to run into this but i've had a lot of fun i just did costumes for a movie that was very like Speaker 4 (19:03) armani Speaker 3 (19:04) inspired we had a lot of fun working on that i was working with heidi bivins and that was like awesome and we're doing Speaker 4 (19:09) it Speaker 3 (19:10) was just like it was a lot of fun like this was really cool and we're looking at really interesting kind of slinky shirt fabrics and all of this stuff. And I was just like, even by the end, and she was kind of like off the record, like sneak me some shots. So the dailies, I was just like, fuck yes. Oh, style. Nice. Were you sourcing? Were Speaker 2 (19:25) you sourcing stuff or were you making stuff and providing a wardrobe? Speaker 3 (19:29) All Speaker 2 (19:29) custom made. Cause you need multiple and stuff Speaker 3 (19:30) like that. So it's hard when you're dealing with like, this is kind of like weird sci-fi kind of post, you know, it's like 80s sci-fi kind of movie LA, Speaker 2 (19:40) but a little bit. you know, I don't know. It was weird. So you had Armani on the mood boards, just like everybody else. It was a Speaker 3 (19:46) little bit of Armani on the, there was Speaker 2 (19:47) a Speaker 3 (19:47) lot of Armani on the mood board. It Speaker 2 (19:48) was Speaker 3 (19:49) fun. Speaker 2 (19:49) Um, what's the most a guy has ever dropped in a single session at James user. Speaker 3 (19:56) Man. So we did some. Speaker 4 (20:02) He's determining what he wants to say. He's buffering. Movies aside. Movies aside. Movies Speaker 3 (20:07) aside. No, I mean, my client probably like 130, 140, something like that. And Speaker 2 (20:14) what did he get? That's like an in-store. Wait, how many, is that 80? How many suits? Eight suits? How many suits is Speaker 3 (20:19) that? I Speaker 2 (20:19) can't do the math. Well, Speaker 3 (20:19) that's going into like, so first of all, like we've got like. We have two different makes. We have our classic, which is 3,000. We have our Benchmade Bespoke, which is between 5,000 and 6,000. But you can Speaker 2 (20:31) do Speaker 3 (20:31) exotic fabrics. Yeah. Get some vicuna layered in there. The tally starts going up fast. Pure silk shirts. It gets there. But the real kind of like record, we did a bunch of dressing for like a kind of Saudi royal, like Saudi royalty. Fire. That was really crazy. I mean, obviously the numbers were, were made that look like nothing. Oh, wow. Like it was, it was hundreds of thousands of dollars a day, six months ago, like in a, in a go, but it would also be like. they'd be like oh we need like we don't know what size he is so let's just do like we think he's this size that's incredible let's do 10 suits whatever the most expensive fabric you have in that size and then do 10 in the size below and 10 in the size above damn Speaker 4 (21:10) are you like i mean that's awesome that like you're making all that money but is part of you like this is a fucking waste yeah Speaker 3 (21:16) no it feels depressing i mean i really i believe in like the idea of you know you want things to be slower i mean And obviously it's, it's good for, it's good money. It's nice. I'm not going to complain. It's awesome. When those days come, you're like, yes, but I kind of prefer in a way when I get somebody who comes back and I'm like, whatever happened to that guy? I bought a suit like six years ago. Hasn't been back in. And then he comes in. He's like, I want to get another suit. And he'd be like, do you mind doing some repairs? My suit. And he brings it in and it's just like, oh shit, this guy has been wearing this thing. That's awesome. Yes. And it's like. beat up and i'm like don't worry i'm gonna stitch this thing up and i'm gonna retail it i'm gonna do this and like that's like nice to know that someone actually bought something and loved it and like actually appreciated it rather than it just being fast fashion for Speaker 2 (21:57) the very wealthy did this uh this saudi guy paying cash i paid him wire transfer Speaker 4 (22:02) all right fire Speaker 2 (22:05) okay um what celebrity is the biggest jb's or customer Speaker 2 (22:10) We're getting real gauche here. Yeah. Speaker 3 (22:12) It's hard. I, you know. Speaker 3 (22:16) I don't like to mention his name. Of course not. Some guys, it's like, not like me. But is there someone where you're like, I'm such a big Speaker 4 (22:20) fan? Where you're like, I'm such a fan of you, that's awesome. Oh, there's Speaker 3 (22:23) people that I've like, we've worked with a bunch like for years. Like, I mean, well, two things I'll say that's amazing. We, I mean, the first week that I opened my shop up, Sarah Jessica Parker came in buying stuff for her husband, Matthew Broderick. They've now, like, that was like 15 years ago. They're still clients. We've made a ton of stuff for him over the years. We dress the kids. It's Speaker 2 (22:41) a Speaker 3 (22:41) really kind of cute, Speaker 2 (22:42) like. long family long-term family i remember coming with these kids are Speaker 3 (22:46) young and then he's like coming in the car i want to get a suit my son for his high school graduation and it's like i want to get first college graduation and you're kind of Speaker 2 (22:52) like Speaker 3 (22:52) this feels like that kind of generational like saville row thing or something yeah but Speaker 2 (22:56) also there's also like you're involved in in big moments and events yeah all their lives right yeah which is yeah which is always great that's cool okay impressive also john Speaker 3 (23:05) leguizamo we've done a bunch of stuff for and that was almost one Speaker 2 (23:08) of Speaker 3 (23:08) these fun guys who i just I just think he's a really sweet guy and it's really funny. And like, I mean, he'll like, you know, like make a bunch of stuff for some award thing. And he'll be like texting me, be like, yo, it's Johnny legs. What do you think of the fit? And he's like taking a selfie in the back of