Neil deGrasse Tyson
This Past Weekend w/ Theo Von
Astrophysicist Neil deGrasse Tyson returns to 'This Past Weekend' to discuss his new book, 'Lost in Space: 5,000 Facts For Navigating the Un
Key takeaways
- The human brain has 100 times more synaptic connections than there are stars in the Milky Way, suggesting our minds may be more complex than the universe itself.
- Our curiosity evolved not for knowledge but for survival—those who explored too much often didn't survive to pass on their genes.
Main topics
- The complexity and wonder of the human brain
- The evolution of curiosity and survival
Notable quotes
"If the sun were a sesame seed bagel, Earth would be the size of one of the sesame seeds."
"The universe inside your head is surely more complex than the universe itself."
Conclusion
Neil deGrasse Tyson leaves listeners with a sense of awe and humility,
Transcript preview
Speaker 4 (0:00) He's the most famous astrophysicist in the world, and maybe in some other worlds. We don't know. You know him from his show Star Talk. He has a new book, Lost in Space, 5,000 Facts for Navigating the Universe. We caught up in his hometown of New York City. I'm grateful for his return. Today's guest is Neil deGrasse Tyson. Speaker 4 (0:41) We got to ship some of this badass out into space, man. That's what I'm saying, dude. Space, you know, it's expensive, though. That's the problem. Yeah. There's more talk than action. No time like the present, man. Neil deGrasse Tyson, good to see you. Thanks for having me back on. Oh, my gosh. It's been a few years. Yeah, it's a pleasure, man. And you're in my town now. Yes, I was going to say. Yeah, we're here in New York City. We had a chauffeur on, and he talked about, he was from the Bronx, and he talked one time about. The Bronx, Speaker 5 (1:10) say it right. Speaker 4 (1:10) The Bronx. There you go. He was from the Bronx. The Speaker 5 (1:14) Bronx. Speaker 4 (1:15) And I heard there's a lot of Asians over there, too. So from the Bronx. Well, not when I was growing up. OK. Yeah, yeah. Well, he said that there was a time in the 70s when they used to bring swimming pools over there, like a pool, like semi-trucks into his neighborhood. I don't remember that. But I do know that Speaker 5 (1:32) occasionally, if you had a charitable fire department, they would. open the fire hydrants. And you can, they're these sort of covers with holes in it, and it would put spray onto the street so that you Speaker 4 (1:47) could Speaker 5 (1:47) play in the street. So they'd crack open the fire hydrant? They'd crack that open. But I'm looking at your images now. No, I don't remember those. Oh, my gosh. And I was in town at that time. Is this in the Bronx? Speaker 4 (1:59) Yeah. That's cool. Yeah, this is the Bronx, it says. This is 1970. Yeah, I'm around. I'm an old fart. But you were barely alive. You were barely alive. But yeah, I didn't know if maybe you'd remember that from growing up. Yeah, Speaker 5 (2:15) I mean, hot times in the city. The street gets hot, and it's just hot in the summer, and no one's in school. And so I think it keeps emotions tamped down so that there's no. Unrest. Yeah, Speaker 4 (2:29) last thing we want, huh? That's so true. You have a new book, Lost in Space, 5,000 Facts for Navigating the Universe. Yeah, it's co-produced Speaker 5 (2:42) between my podcast, StarTalk podcast, and National Geographic Books. It's like our fourth collaboration. It's gorgeous, and it's 5,000 facts in all categories. Speaker 5 (2:57) It's, but they're not just facts, because you can just Google facts. They're start-talkified. A start-talkified fact. So I'll give you an example. Okay? Ask me, how big is the sun? How big is the sun? I could say it's 864,000 miles, but you can Google that. Or I can say, take 100 Earths and line them up. That's the width of the sun. Wow, really? Or, if you're hungry, I can say if the sun were a sesame seed bagel, earth would be the size of one of the sesame seeds. That big guy. So I'm just saying, the facts are just a little more pop culture infused. Speaker 4 (3:43) I see. A little more pizzazz. Speaker 5 (3:45) Yeah, yeah, just so that you will never forget it. Speaker 4 (3:48) Yeah. Speaker 5 (3:49) Okay, you're not going to forget the sun and the earth right now. I know they have bagels in Nashville. Speaker 4 (3:53) Yeah, well, also, my brother is deathly allergic to sesame seeds. Well, then Speaker 5 (3:58) there you go. Speaker 4 (3:59) So I'm not going to forget that Speaker 2 (4:01) at Speaker 4 (4:01) all. Speaker 2 (4:01) You're Speaker 4 (4:01) not going to forget that. Dude, I actually, I read in your book that, yeah, I was perusing through it, man. It's like, yeah, it's just an engaging book. Yeah, yeah, you just need to pick it up Speaker 5 (4:09) and Speaker 4 (4:10) open it, and there it is. Open it to wherever you're in it. You're in like, you're out in the universe. Yeah. I mean, literally. And one thing that I read in it was that the human brain has 100 times more synaptic connections than there are stars in the Milky Way. And that, I mean, and that blew my mind. Yeah, it's impressive. Yeah, so is our brain more complex than like a galaxy? I would say so. Speaker 5 (4:37) Why can't I say so? I'm going to say so. All the stars are interacting with each other with the force of gravity, but in your brain, there's like... chemical reactions, there's electrical reactions, they're being influenced by other reactions that happened before, these are your memories. There's sometimes you get like an earworm, a song gets in your head, you can't get it out, it's firing all by itself. Or you have these emotions that make you tear up or bring joy. Yeah, the universe inside your head. is surely more complex than the universe itself. Which brings the question, how is it possible that the universe can make something more complex than itself? Wow. Is that possible? It has happened. So unless you want to say God did it, but then that's kind of a little bit of a cop-out because then I'd say well who made God the enough to what God always was or got him you have to up I could ask you questions and put you in a place where you're stuck saying something that you just have to assert to be true and So but there had to be a beginning Well, we have a Big Bang, but that pushes the question earlier Well who lit the mess who it was before the Big Bang and only in the last couple of decades Did we look at our equations that give us the Big Bang? And there's data that support it as well. But you look all the way back, you say, wait a minute, these equations are popping out other universes. So maybe there's not just a universe, maybe there's a multiverse. If there's a multiverse, then our universe is just one of some uncountable number of other universes. So then you have to ask, what was around before the multiverse? And here's another one that's a little bit mind-blowing. You go far enough back, there's Earth and then the universe. Well, then, no, Earth is just one of eight planets. Speaker 5 (6:36) around the sun. Well, the sun, there's something special. No, those dots of light in the night sky are just like the sun. Oh, damn. The Milky Way galaxy, there it is, that Hubble discovers in 1925, 26. There are other galaxies in the universe, just like the Milky Way. So everything we thought there was one of, there isn't. There's countless others among them. But we got one universe. Hmm. Maybe not Maybe there's a multiverse Well, if the universe never makes anything in ones Speaker 5 (7:18) Could there be only one multiverse? Okay? Is there a network of multiverse? Is it a metaverse? You know, we're running out of adjectives there. Yeah. But to think about it is humbling. Yeah. And not enough people are humbled in their life. Some people need a dose of humbling, as far as I can tell. You Speaker 4 (7:42) have to think to be humbled. And a lot of us aren't doing that. Speaker 5 (7:46) You think? You think? Speaker 4 (7:49) And half the time, myself included. Or Speaker 5 (7:52) they act before they think, and then they regret it, or they try to justify it after the fact. Oh, Speaker 4 (7:57) yeah, look. I mean, you've been reading my diary. But what makes us able to think? Speaker 4 (8:05) Well, if you talk to evolutionary biologists, they will Speaker 5 (8:09) tell you. Speaker 4 (8:09) Which Speaker 5 (8:09) I haven't, and I'll let you know that straight up. I have. Yeah, I've been talking to my buddy Rick. Right. And he's neither evolutionary nor biologist, right? Well, honestly, Speaker 4 (8:20) he's been doing duster. Oh, really? Yeah, he'll be fine, but back to where we are. Let me just say, I value objective Speaker 5 (8:27) reality. Okay. And the brain barely works as it is. Right. So to start stirring in chemicals and say, let me do something else with my brain, I don't want to be that far removed from what is objectively true in this world. Speaker 4 (8:43) Oh, yeah. He's been Speaker 5 (8:44) hitting that keyboard cleaner, you know? The Speaker 4 (8:47) dude's got a space bar in his head now, dude. Speaker 5 (8:50) Wait, so what was the question? It was, oh, so evolutionary biologists would say our thoughts, when they evolved, were just sufficient. Speaker 5 (9:01) to not die and Speaker 4 (9:03) stay alive long enough to make babies. Like, what do you mean by that? So the first thoughts were just like, okay, I need to stay alive. Yeah, yeah. Oh. And I need to procreate. If I do not Speaker 5 (9:12) run away from this lion. Speaker 5 (9:16) I will die. Well, okay, let's say you have three kids. One of them said, oh, I wonder what that is rustling in the brush. Let me go find out. It's a lion. They get eaten. Yeah. That curiosity is removed from the gene pool. Okay. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. And the people say, I don't know what that is, but I'm a little bit afraid. Let me go the opposite direction. They live another day. They have babies. So. curiosity is not always a good thing for your survival if you're curious about things that could kill you. So that's first fact. And plus, you want to make more of yourself. So sex matters. Yeah. All right? So these are simple thoughts. And you know that thing where someone throws up and Speaker 4 (10:00) you smell their throat and you want to throw up too? Oh, yeah. What game is that called? It's one of those challenges, I think, on TikTok, isn't it? Oh, is it really? Speaker 5 (10:06) Oh, okay. I Speaker 4 (10:06) thought it Speaker 5 (10:06) was. Why wouldn't it be? It's a TikTok, right? Yeah. There's an evolutionary reason for that. We're a tribe. We're here. You ate something before the rest of us did, and you just threw up. I don't want to eat what you just ate. What's my body's best way to tell me that? I want to throw up just the way you did. So that triggers, that's a chain reaction in your tribe, back in the cave. So we all throw up, and we're all better, because it happened to you. Okay? And so... It's why we react in these ways. So evolutionary biologists would say we have thoughts that are for this reason. Okay? I'll give one more and I'll bring it into the present. But some of the first thoughts were to keep us surviving. Yes. Okay, got it. Okay, so now watch how that unfolds. Okay. Okay, and we care about our tribe. Okay, we all kind of look the same. We smell the same because we're like eating the same things. We're wearing the same clothing. We're hanging out in the same place on earth. We're buddies. We're buddies. Right. It's all of that. Okay. Here's another one. You go off and you come back with Speaker 4 (11:14) the, you know, the food for tonight. The deer. Speaker 5 (11:19) The deer, Speaker 4 (11:20) whatever that is. Yeah. Okay. Sack of doves. Speaker 5 (11:23) And Speaker 4 (11:23) I go out and Speaker 5 (11:23) I don't come back with anything, but you come back with the elk. Okay. Well, you had some abilities that I didn't the women want to have babies with you Let me say that more precisely. We'll say it again Let me say that more precisely Speaker 5 (11:47) Those who it didn't matter who they have babies with, if I really have some inability to bring home the bacon and we start having babies, my offspring doesn't have that ability either, we simply die off. We starve. Whereas your branch of the tribe thrives. If it's not enough food for everyone, your branch will thrive. So there's evolutionary selection to favor Speaker 5 (12:18) women who seek out, we call Speaker 4 (12:22) it the alpha male, but it's the male who brought back the food. But in the end, you're saying that whoever could think and recognize that. You wouldn't even have to think. Suppose, I Speaker 5 (12:32) don't care who I'm going to want to have babies with, and then we all have babies and none of us can feed ourselves. We simply die. Right. You die and your gene pool does not propagate. So this behavior that is survives this very, very, you can think of it as an unfair, but it's favoring the fittest. Okay? That's what it does. Right. Evolution is about not only your survival, but the death of everything else that did not fulfill that moment for its survival. Here's my point. All of these things that mattered to our survival back then, in modern days, you just go to the grocery store to bring home food. Nobody's bringing home the elk on their back, the deer. And so- But if a girl sees you with a bag of Takis, she'll pull up. That's what I'm saying is- I mean, y'all not saying- What I'm saying is these elements in our behavior have been hijacked in modern civilization. Okay? So- Speaker 5 (13:41) you care not that the person brought home the deer, but they're bigger than life. They're bigger than the other. So what today is bigger than life? A movie star, someone famous. Famous people have hijacked that element of our tribal behavior. Speaker 4 (14:01) I see what you're saying. So it used to be the person who was able to provide and like the way with like actual, with a skill. A skill and the thing. They're bigger than life. And survived. Today, Speaker 5 (14:10) you don't even need that. Urge is still there. Right. And famous people are doing that, which is why famous people, you know, it's. Yeah, they get Celsius deals. I mean, I see what you did there. But no, Celsius is my word. I just want you to know. It is a temperature scale. Whatever Speaker 4 (14:31) else it is on your show, I'm Speaker 5 (14:34) a Speaker 4 (14:34) scientist. It's a temperature scale. So, but you're saying so that like some of the things that were like. inaugural in our, in like our most primal sort of abilities that helped us to survive and advance some of those. Um, and that also were mechanisms to help us to procreate and move forward that those have been hijacked by these, um, by these like superficial practices. The Speaker 5 (15:03) urge is still there. even though society has made it irrelevant. It's biologically there. So when I talk about these tribes back then, Speaker 4 (15:12) and Speaker 5 (15:13) you have a little watering hole, wait a minute, somebody's coming over the horizon. Who's that? Well, they smell different. They look different. What? They want my watering hole? That's not going to happen. Speaker 4 (15:24) And Speaker 5 (15:24) so we're going to fight. Okay? That's a survival thing. Speaker 4 (15:27) Today, Speaker 5 (15:28) water comes out of the freaking faucet. Yeah. Speaker 4 (15:30) But Speaker 5 (15:31) we still have tribal urges. And the tribal urge is out of Speaker 4 (15:37) control. Speaker 5 (15:39) It's like, Speaker 4 (15:39) even Speaker 5 (15:40) when people look alike, they'll still tribalize. Well, you pray to this God instead of this God. By the way, the two of you look identical, okay? Just look at, remember Ireland? We had Catholic Irish and Protestant Irish. They pray to the same God out of the same Bible, but there's two branches and they're fighting each other. The Shiites and the Sunnis, they're both Muslim, fighting each other. So it is so deeply within us that even if we were the same, we would find ways to tribalize against it. You have long hair instead of short hair. You have red hair instead of blonde hair. You can tall instead of short. And if you are all of that, but you found something else to tribalize behind, like where you're born, your skin color, Again, who you worship, what's your sexual preference, that becomes a thing, and then people fight over that. So I'm surprised we have survived this long. Oh, you think we're about to hit a cold assult? I'm sad. I'm just sad. Oh, you're really? Oh, yeah. Yeah, people, it's like they're only happy. when they have someone else they can be angry with. How's that so? But do you think it's serving us as humans? No, no, no. Of course, there are more humans now than ever before. So clearly it hasn't hurt us that badly. But as our weapons, the power of our weapons grow and we still have tribal feelings, it's gonna, I don't think it'll end well. The Speaker 4 (17:13) toughest part I think is that The people the populace are at a different space and the government's now but it feels like we're at a place now where It's not even the people that want a lot of that but it's like you're just sitting here almost like Heading wherever the government's gonna take us which is Speaker 5 (17:32) unfortunate because it's supposed to be a government by the people of the people for the people agree and if it's not that then I don't know what we mean when we say 250th anniversary of our democracy, you know, and it's People say freedom to it actually was not 250 years of freedom Speaker 5 (17:49) because women didn't vote until like 1920 or something. So they were not, half the population was not participating in the leadership. So what it is for 250 years, it's not a democracy. It was only recently a democracy. But what it has been is kingless for 250 years. And I like that. Speaker 4 (18:09) I Speaker 5 (18:10) don't want anyone who by birthright claims they have power over me. just because whose vagina they came out of. I'm sorry. You got to earn this. You got to show me that you're someone worth following, that you've earned my respect and my loyalty and my devotion. And if you haven't done that, go home. So I proudly say, as an American, 250 years Speaker 4 (18:34) without a king. Yeah, I don't know how we'll get out of this kind of space that we're in. I don't want to get into like a woe is us kind of space, but it does feel like kind of a scary, it feels like a scary space. Because everyone's fighting all the time. But do you think they're fighting because they want to be? Or do you think a lot of it is that they're being programmed to fight? Yeah, they're only happy if they're fighting, right? Speaker 5 (18:57) And plus social media is an outrage engine. You go anywhere and Speaker 4 (19:02) it's like, hey, what are they doing? I hate that. Speaker 5 (19:04) And it just feeds it. And then you come back for more and advertisers love it. Yeah. They love it. So it's feeding your tribal urges. We're a little trapped. And think about advertisers. What do they put in an ad? Okay. They put in someone you want to have sex with and then you'll do whatever they say because you want to procreate and make more babies. Speaker 4 (19:27) Yeah. Speaker 5 (19:27) Okay. Speaker 5 (19:29) You do it because it feels good, but evolutionarily, it kind of had to feel good to make more of you. I mean, otherwise, we'd go extinct pretty quickly. What are you saying? What? What are you talking about? What? What are you saying right now? What am I saying right now? I'm saying that we're being manipulated. Oh, yes. By advertisers. And they know these primal evolutionary urges. And they exploit them. Yes. Speaker 4 (19:57) They've got this spear to a sharp tip, Neil, you know, and that is spooky because it's this new sort of survival in a way where it's like it used to be the lion in the woods that you were. And now it's sort of this like. It's this algorithm. It's this black hole for your attention. And once your attention is gone and it's not on you and your well-being. And someone else is Speaker 5 (20:22) manipulating it. Speaker 4 (20:23) Yeah. Yeah. It's dark. Speaker 5 (20:25) Yeah, so I worry. So if aliens arrived, I would ask. I wrote a book about aliens, too, a few months ago. Speaker 4 (20:32) Yeah. Like if your first encounter with an alien, it sets you up for that. Okay. What is Speaker 5 (20:38) it, Speaker 4 (20:38) like a how to do like a... Yeah, yeah, Speaker 5 (20:39) it's a complete... Speaker 4 (20:40) Like a first date Speaker 5 (20:41) type of... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, for example, if an alien lands and walks up to you, and there happens to be some appendage sticking out, don't grab it and shake it. Yeah. Because you don't know what part of the alien that is. Oh, yeah. And you probably don't want to find out, I'm guessing. That's Speaker 4 (20:57) a Speaker 5 (20:57) space branch. If an alien came down and they had technology that got them here, one of my first questions would be... How did you survive yourselves? Like, Speaker 4 (21:07) what do you mean yourselves? Speaker 5 (21:08) Yourselves. Speaker 4 (21:09) Oh. Their own technology. Right. Because we may not. We may Speaker 5 (21:14) not. We may not survive our own technology. And maybe they're all just peace, love, and aliens. Peace, love, and, you know, make love not war. Well, I mean. You know, the evil alien trope is Speaker 4 (21:25) so common. Evil aliens just want to. Well, that's because I think that that's been how they've been. I don't want to say aliens have been. been pigeonholed, but I do feel like they have been. Yes, they have been. But we don't even think we get Speaker 5 (21:37) that. I think we get it because they have a more advanced technology, obviously, because they got here and we haven't visited them. And any time humans with more advanced technology have encountered other humans with less technology, it has never boded well. Yeah. They've been enslaved, killed, tortured. Molested. And so I think the evil alien concept is our own fears placed upon them in our storytelling. It's a mirror to how we... Speaker 5 (22:14) know we would behave in that situation. And that's unfair to the aliens because they could just be peace, love, and aliens for all we know. Speaker 4 (22:22) Yes. Speaker 5 (22:23) I'll tell you what I think the aliens are. Speaker 4 (22:25) I think we end up in this space where you don't use your body as much anymore, right? You're on screen. You're digital. Things get technological. Maybe they put a chip in you or whatever. And your body, after it's like, like eons of non-use and thousands of years of non-use just starts to like turn into this sort of this shape and your eyes, which are the things that like you still are pulling information in from, and maybe they put a contact lens in that then expands over time. And then I believe that we just become the alien. So all we're seeing, the aliens are just us in the, like coming to visit. Interesting because like an older us, because the aliens are hardly ever jacked when they come down. They're usually thin. Yeah, well, they quit lifting weights centuries ago. And here's Speaker 5 (23:16) the Speaker 4 (23:16) crazy part. I think aliens that come here, like if you see an alien ship in... Speaker 4 (23:22) on Earth. I think it's almost like an alien family somewhere else. Like the parents took them on like a shitty trip for like summer or whatever. 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Monday, those who hunt and fish in the area share complicated feelings. Wow. Construction on what is slated to be the world's largest rocket launch site is expected to begin in rural Vermilion Parish next year. Those who live, visit, and play nearby have mixed feelings about the development. Speaker 4 (29:11) Pecan Island is the closest residential area to the proposed site of Starbase, Louisiana. It is made up of, sorry. It's such a crazy dichotomy. Well, Texas was in Speaker 5 (29:24) the running for this. But we got Speaker 4 (29:26) that big. So apparently it landed there. So what's important is that east Speaker 5 (29:32) of the island, I don't know the map, but it's important that there's water east of the launch pad. Really? Why is that? Because as it launches, it wants to orbit the Earth. Typically, it goes east. If something bad happens and it blows up, it then falls in the water. Not on residential property. Speaker 4 (29:49) Oh, yeah, bro. They got a lot of, like, boats. They got people sleeping on each other's backs down there, baby. Speaker 5 (29:55) Well, then they got something to look at at night. But launches, there's nothing like a rocket launch. Let Speaker 4 (30:00) me just tell you. Speaker 5 (30:00) They never get old. Speaker 4 (30:01) They ain't here to have Boosie written on them bitches. Let's see. Pecan Island is made up of mostly hunting and fishing camps with about 100 permanent residents. SpaceX plans to use the site to support thousands of Starship flights a year. There will be five launch facilities with two launch pads each. How many shuttles will go up a day? Does it say? Well, I Speaker 5 (30:25) mean, so right now, I mean, Starship carries people. He's got his Falcon launch, you know, hundreds a year. So every few days there's Speaker 4 (30:33) a Speaker 5 (30:33) launch. And it's going to be people on it? Starship is designed for people. So that could be where he launches people to go to the moon. Who knows what the future that's going to look like. Bro. So here's what happened in Huntsville, Alabama. When the government says we got to compete with the Ruskies because they got German rocket engineers. We got Werner Von Braun. Let's build a rocket, dude. They put him in Huntsville, Alabama. Rocket City. Well, not yet. It's some backwoods place in the south. And he says, I need engineers. I need mathematicians. And so people moved there, and they didn't want to send their kids to the local schools. They built new schools. Industries followed it. And that section of Alabama is like it landed from space. It's a high-tech corridor in Alabama, unlike... other areas of Alabama. So that would completely change the economy of Speaker 4 (31:30) southern Louisiana. Oh, it's going to be wild down there, man. They'll have definitely unique style rockets. You'll probably have a pecan-crusted rocket. You know, a little bit of crawfish Amman rocket. They're going to have it all down Speaker 5 (31:43) there. Speaker 4 (31:43) I haven't had crawfish in a long time. It's going Speaker 5 (31:45) to Speaker 4 (31:45) be beautiful. But I'll say this. If they just let strangers jump on them rockets, bro, you're going to have— There won't be strangers after they pay $10 Speaker 5 (31:52) million. I mean, if it's tourists. It's still really expensive. But they're going to have Speaker 4 (31:57) like a, you know, something for lower income. They'll probably have like a. No, no. See, that's how you do a lower income. They're going to have an EBT seat on that bitch. You know that. Speaker 5 (32:05) Here's what you do for low income. You just have a lottery. And everyone pays $10 for a ticket. You sell enough tickets. Somebody wins that lottery and they go up. And they don't have to be rich for that. That'll work. Oh, shit. Robo Show going to be on that rocket, huh? Speaker 4 (32:21) Sherman going to be on that rocket? Speaker 5 (32:24) That'll work. That's going to be amazing, dude. By the way, I don't mind going to rocket, but it depends on where it's headed. Okay. I don't want to boldly go where hundreds have gone before. Send me somewhere. Moon, Mars, beyond. I'm signed up. Have you ever been offered to go to space? I was, no. Actually, no. But in space, what people say space is, you know, you got the Bezos, Branson, billionaire boys space race, but they just go up and. and fall back to Earth. The whole trip is within 30 minutes. They don't go into orbit. But they go above this magical place called the Karman Line, where if you go above that level of the atmosphere, then daytime sky turns dark, because there's not enough air to turn blue. And so they call that the Karman Line. So if you go above that, you're classified as an astronaut. And I'm just saying, I'm an astrophysicist. If you're going to send me into space, send me somewhere. Speaker 5 (33:20) I don't know if you knew this, take Earth and shrink it down to a schoolroom globe. You can ask, how high up did they go? Down to a schoolroom globe? Yeah, so here's Earth, a schoolroom globe. How high up is the space station? Okay. Space station is less than a half an inch above the surface. Okay. And then the Bezos-Branson trip, they're the thickness of two dimes above Earth's surface. You remember that crazy dude that jumped out of a balloon for Red Bull, Felix Bumgartner? Yes, okay a few years back his balloon. He died recently by the way doing one of these stunts damn stuff Yeah, he jumped the thickness of one dime above the earth so none of this is really going anywhere for me an astrophysicist send me somewhere moon Mars and beyond and I'm good and If Elon says ride one of my rockets, I'll say Elon I want you to fly your mother first and bring her back safely. Yeah. Then Speaker 4 (34:17) I'll go. That's fair. Yeah, that's fair. That's totally fair. I think that's very fair. You got a mom tested. Yeah. But surely someone's reached out and offered you, said. Oh, so I was Speaker 5 (34:27) once given an opportunity to ride in the Vomit Comet. You know, there's a plane that goes up and falls back down, and you're weightless for a little bit of time. Pepsi was going to offer me a spot, but I had to wear a Pepsi jumpsuit. because they were advertising zero calorie Pepsi, and this was a zero gravity ride, and I could be photographed and end up in an ad, and I say, it ain't worth that much to Speaker 4 (34:52) me. I ain't giving my, so no. So I haven't. But have Katy Perry and those people, have they actually been in space, or they've just been above the Kármán line? Well, Speaker 5 (34:59) well, that's. So technically they have. Technically they've been in space. Katy's been in space. And I thought they got a bad rap on that. People cacheted on that launch. And well Katie, she's got a new album out and they all want to make sure they're pretty with the makeup and everything. And I'm thinking, chill, first of all. When planes were invented, the first people to go were famous and rich people. Yeah. And the press wrote about it. And I'm saying, this is kind of interesting. Let's keep doing this. And the industry grew till it became its own thing. And so the aviation industry was birthed Speaker 4 (35:35) in exactly the same way. I see. So you got to use celebrities to advertise it. But I think here's the thing. Like you're saying, it didn't make sense in anybody's mind. Like I can't even get from here to Hoboken in a half Speaker 2 (35:50) hour, Speaker 4 (35:50) dude. That'd be hard. Right? I'm not going to think they can get to space and come right back. And then it kind of looked bizarre. And then they like over there, like the door was kind of open. There was a lot of stuff that didn't. they didn't help their own cause. Oh, Speaker 5 (36:02) okay. Well, I'm