The Hidden Empire: Esoteric Physics, UFOs & Consciousness | Jason Samosa

THIRD EYE DROPS

In this episode of Third Eye Drops, host and researcher Jason Samosa dives deep into the interconnected worlds of UFOs, secret societies, esoteric physics, and consciousness.

Key takeaways

• The post-World War II era saw the emergence of powerful networks linking former Nazis, financiers, and intelligence operatives who may have formed a hidden power structure.
• Individuals like Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were likely portrayed as eccentric or unintelligent to obscure their true influence and intellectual depth.

Main topics

• Postwar secret power networks
• Esoteric knowledge and consciousness

Notable quotes

"I think the big shock is that we tend to view our governments as recruiting criminals. I think what we're looking at is criminals running the world."

"We may have gained this evolution, but through that, we now don't quite fit into this world. And that's where this idea of going to the stars...""

Conclusion

Jason Samosa's research suggests a deeply interconnected web of power, consciousness, and hidden science emerging from

Transcript preview

Speaker 2 (0:00) I think the big shock is that we tend to view our governments as recruiting criminals. I think what we're looking at is criminals running the world. I think that's the big shock. I think the criminal element is vast and it's big. You go back to 2017, we were kind of going through this process of disclosure or whatever you want to call it. You know, they're like on Fox News saying, it's not Russian, it's not Chinese, it's not our own technology. And you're like, okay, well, you're naming nation states, right? Is it possible that it's human, some of it, I don't think it always, by the way, I do think something else is going on, but is some of it human technology that doesn't belong to a nation? That's a thread that I think might have something heavy at the end of it. We just seem so torn and confused. It's like we're a glitch in the system, like our source code was edited and the game doesn't function properly anymore. I don't like to be religious about those texts and view it as like, this is the secret truth that's been hidden. The reality is they all paint a very similar picture. This idea that mankind was created in a sort of a balanced system that the gods controlled and it worked. But then we went after this extra knowledge or Prometheus comes down and brings fire or whichever version you want to look at. And suddenly the system stops working because... We may have gained this evolution, but through that, we now don't quite fit into this world. And that's where this idea of going to the stars, right? This idea that our home may not be here, that there may be a part of us which in some sense doesn't belong here. And that's why it doesn't work. Speaker 1 (1:47) First things first, Jason, I got to give you your flowers. You do such deep, meticulous, impressive research, man. The kind of research that this topic, this suite of topics, really deserves. You know, there's so many people who just want to push out the most sensational shit, the most clickbaity stuff. You are not doing that, man. Like you're really diving deep. You're reading books. You're trying to go through primary sources. You're using your sort of reservoir of knowledge of spirituality and the esoteric in history and all these other things to try to. Speaker 1 (2:27) clarify things that are so mercurial and impossible to, you know, try to like put simple definitions on, but you're doing an incredible job of it, man. So, so I needed to say that off the bat. Speaker 2 (2:40) That's really, really kind, man. I massively appreciate that. And, uh, you know, I, I, I think there are just so at this point, what is it like 80 years since Roswell or something like that? Um, We have so many great people who've done the legwork. There are these amazing deep books where people have shown connections between different things. So it's kind of a privilege to sit on top of that. I don't know that I would even have a YouTube channel if it wasn't for other people writing great books. So it's just fun to get to connect the dots. And I appreciate you saying that, man. Super kind. Speaker 1 (3:16) For sure. Credit where credit's due. And it's funny because I say, this topic. And I don't even, I don't even know if UFOs like encapsulates it, because you could almost put different things at the masthead, right? Like you could put in a lot of your work, at least, you know, the secret power currents that, you know, run civilization or pulling the strings of humanity or the esoteric spirituality are, you know, big questions around who and what we are. Like all of these things are central to your interests and, and mine, by the way, which is, um, Often convenient because people like to talk about UFOs, but they really are a great Trojan horse for all of those topics. Because once you start going deep and you look at the smartest people who have ever, you know, attempted to collide their intellect with this topic, that's where it ends up. It ends up in questions about consciousness, the nature and composition of reality, you know. hidden history all of these things that are just so fun and so complex and um you do not shy away from that you you go deep into all of it Speaker 2 (4:31) yeah well it's so interesting like i feel like i've all like i'm sure anyone who watches your channel i'm sure you're the same right some of these topics are just so interesting and you go online you like go on youtube or you watch a documentary about something and it doesn't give you enough you feel like you have all these extra questions um There's so many interesting things to look at and mysterious groups, you know, where you see, you see certain, certain people or certain groups appearing and doing strange things. And there's never a good explanation about why, like the classic one, you know, I still have to try and figure out is this weird collision of L Ron Hubbard and Jack Parsons is just a great example of like, that's one of a thousand different videos that you could make that could occupy you for a month. where you see interesting people colliding, doing something remarkable, and then going on to do things that seem to maybe be connected to what they were doing. So all of that for me is just, it's just a playground, you know, it's Speaker 1 (5:30) a Speaker 2 (5:30) lot of fun. Speaker 1 (5:31) You've covered a number of topics, including the one that you just mentioned in one of your videos on the Collins elite. You went fairly deep into that Jack Parsons Crowley kind of strain. And I mean, that is one of the greatest examples of how potentially this UFO stuff and this esoteric occult stuff coexist potentially very closely. But in all of your research, not just that, what has been one of the most... shocking, unbelievable kind of anecdotes you've uncovered that you think is probably real. Not to put you on the spot, but... Speaker 2 (6:09) Oh, that's a really good question. It's not so much an individual anecdote. For me, it's seeing, especially like right now, as I'm working on the things I'm working on, it is finally being able to see how different groups connect after the war. I'm working on this huge piece of research right now. these post-war groups, a particular organization that was at the heart of essentially the emergence of the deep state. And that's really interesting because you're like, okay, so after the war, there's these Nazis and there's these financiers and they start to do all these really interesting deep state activities. A lot of them very disturbing. But what's crazy is then as I keep pushing down that track, I see the connections to Robert Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. And then you see, it's not simply that. You know, all these little, they look like little isolated conspiracies, but if you keep shaking the tree, eventually they start to connect. And then you also begin to realize that they're all fascinated by, yes, running sort of deep state operations, but also there's interest in the occult and interest in sort of consciousness, advanced UFO technology. All of this stuff is lingering around these characters. And I find it really interesting. Like in the case of Robert Maxwell, there's, you know, there's all these documentaries out there that paint him as ultimately a bit of a loser. They just make him sound like this grotesque weirdo. You know, I even thought that about Epstein when he came out, well, all these files came out and there was the video of him doing this long form interview. I don't know if you ever saw that, but he looked kind of stupid. And I was like, you know, he looks kind of dumb. And now I'm thinking. Are these just portrayals that are given to us to diffuse the perception of these individuals? Whereas if we were allowed to see quite how complex and actually intelligent they were, intelligence doesn't mean they have to be good, but bright people, capable people, we might be more inclined to keep pulling that thread. So just the sheer reality of how all of these individual conspiracies can be connected into one coherent story is blowing my mind right now. And I wish... I didn't have such high standards about my videos because I just want to talk about it all. Yeah, right, right. It's Speaker 1 (8:32) going Speaker 2 (8:32) to take me like five months to finish the whole series. So, you know. Yeah, Speaker 1 (8:37) yeah. And we can certainly talk about some of that. One of the things that you are uncovering in your work that you just alluded to is that there could be this secret strain of power and technology that comes out of the post-war era. And disturbingly, it mainly seems to come out of Germany. And there seems to be this very close collusion between the American power system. and that power system for some reason. Like, you know, many people watching this know about Project Paperclip and the scientists and stuff like that. But these are like more difficult to trace ties without shiny names and like really simple, nutshell conspiracy theories around them. Like they're harder to appreciate, but the implications of them are much deeper, I think, because it, again, starts to bring all these topics back up. Like, you know. forbidden science and, you know, alternate technologies and the esoteric and all this stuff is like very central to a lot of the, of what these groups are doing. And, you know, people like Peter Lavenda have attempted to uncover a lot of this stuff. And admittedly, I need to do more of a deep dive into that segment of his work because I know he's written whole books on it. But you've, you've gone into this research as well. What, what have you found? Like, is there truth? do you think to this post-World War II sort of, you know, invisible... Speaker 1 (10:11) fiefdom of like power and influence that sort of either disperses itself into the American system or does it maybe create its own completely hidden power system under, you know, many, many different names? What have you found there? Speaker 2 (10:30) Yeah, I found something that feels really tangible. And it's interesting because you begin to realize the dichotomies that we accidentally fall into about what happened after the war are really misleading. There's this idea that paperclip is the big dirty secret that we're trying to uncover. Or then it's like the alternative is the Nazis escaped, they created a huge post-war empire, they're independent to all of us, they're in Antarctica. And it's like a really sort of extreme version that is built on really interesting information that's worth considering, but it becomes this extreme. sort of caricature and they're responsible for like every single flying saucer. Um, so the, what I've identified, I think is something that charts down the middle, um, that, that is very tangible and it's interesting. It comes from the reason I I've been able to pull this thread and find some interesting stuff is it's because of Tom DeLonge who, uh, I don't know Tom, but he wrote this, um, this fiction book in 2015 with a coauthor. And the book didn't do that well. And they were going to make a TV series about it, which has been canceled, which is a shame. Speaker 1 (11:45) Oh, man. Speaker 2 (11:45) Yeah. It's a shame because the story, as I keep working on it, there's a lot there. So on the front cover, the book says inspired by real events. And you're like, okay, so sort of generic, sort of high level stuff. But if you begin to read the book, imagine that Tom couldn't tell you. the real story yeah but he desperately wanted to encode it in the book you've got to imagine that if you read it that way and then pull out all the bits where you're like wait a second he's giving very specific dates and all of these things then you can actually piece things together and there's a there's a cornerstone to it which is there's this company called the maynard consortium in the novel which is basically this private organization, which seems to be controlling the UFO issue and basically controlling a lot of things behind the scenes. It's not an aerospace company and it's not a single government. It is a transnational group that seems to mix Western elites, like very rich British people, American industrialists, but also there are these sort of Nazi figures involved. So people have been trying to figure out what this Maynard Consortium is. There are some other details. The book says money for the founding of the company. It was founded in the late 40s. And the money came from Swiss bank accounts. So very clearly implying that this was like hidden money that was somehow suspicious. And it has lots of shadowy subsidiaries through which it's doing a lot of devious stuff. There's a bunch of other things, but those are the core details. And I was... I was watching one of my favorite YouTube channels, which is a channel called Eyes Wide Open. And it's all about the history of the deep state. In many ways, it's really kind of dry and a little bit academic, but it's basically for people who can't be bothered to read the deep books. It's a video form of like what you need to know. And people always say, like, I seem to read a lot, but the truth is I really struggle to read. And wherever I can, if there's a video form or some other thing, I'll do it. So I was watching this and he kept, he talked about this company called the World Commerce Corporation, which my ears went up because I was like, I've heard this company before. I'd heard it in Peter Lavender's Sinister Forces. Joseph Farrell talked about it. In fact, in every book that's trying to understand what happened with the Nazis, it gets mentioned, but never in a lot of detail. So I just thought. I really want to look into this because it sounded interesting based on what he was talking about. And I just went in. And before I knew it, I became convinced it was this Maynard Consortium in real life. And the story of this company goes like this. Basically, it's founded in 1945 with mysterious Nazi money, which couldn't be returned to the United States because it would trigger a congressional investigation. And suddenly it's got all these incredibly powerful people involved in it. and also Nazi figures end up involved and Nazi industry seems to be integrated into it. What's so suspicious about it is if you go back to World War II, there were a bunch of critical intelligence agencies that were operating. There was the Office for Strategic Services, which was run by Wild Bill Donovan. Wild Bill Donovan was a Wall Street lawyer. He had Alan Dulles working with him. He was best friends with the Morgans. who were advising him and worked with him, the Melons. I mean, it was just a who's who of the American establishment, this organization. Over in England here, you had the Special Operations Executive, which is a criminally underappreciated intelligence agency, which is very important to understand. It was run by a guy called Charles Hambro, who basically was, he nearly became the governor of the Bank of England. He worked for the Bank of England. and has a legendary merchant bank called Hambrose, which if anybody likes to keep notes, like write down Hambrose Bank, I think it's one of the most important banks if you want to dig into all of this stuff. There was a guy called Will Stevenson, who was a conduit between those two and worked for the British Security Coordination. And then interestingly, there was one more intelligence agency involved in World War II, which was unique in its role and responsibility. It's called the Office for the Coordination of Inter-American Affairs, and it was responsible for the intelligence over South America. So the OSS didn't have jurisdiction over South America. So this other agency has a critical, critical role to play. If the Nazis are exfiltrating money, people, personnel, technology down to South America, which they were, whoever runs this agency would basically be able to report that. It turns out he was being run by Nelson Rockefeller, whose family had been in bed with the Nazis up to the, you know, all through World War II and before, whose colleague, Thomas McKittrick, was running the Bank of International Settlements, which was the bank which approved all of this gold to leave the Reichsbank, the German bank, down to South America. It was Rockefeller's friend who was approving it. And there, I mean, you know, without relaying the whole two-hour video. There are so many details which keep showing this group of intelligence leaders were the ones who basically sanctioned the exfiltration of all of this Nazi staff and Nazi personnel. But the wild thing is when the WCC, the World Commerce Corporation, is founded, those four people have all lost their jobs because the intelligence networks are shut down. Next day, they start working for this company. The office address is the same as the British Security Coordination's address. That was the one that was run by... Will Stevenson, while Bill Donovan steals all of his documents from the OSS, brings them over. It is just wild. It's wild because we tend to think the CIA was founded in 1947 and that's when it all began. But I really think this private group were doing a lot in those intermediary years. And then they also grafted in a bunch of Nazi industry into that company. And suddenly it had... hundreds of subsidiaries around the world, 450, which were soon to be involved in arms trafficking. Also, the global drug industry is something I'm going to talk about in an upcoming piece of work. And I mean, there are links to pretty much every conspiracy that you could name in the post-war era to this network. So you earlier mentioned paperclip, and this is a really good contrast. We tend to think that paperclip is this outrageous, awful controversy. But those scientists and those resources were going into the government. The government, which is basically supposedly run for the people, the people who died in World War II, sort of on paper received those spoils, right? The spoils of war went to the people who fought and died to their government. And of course, in reality, the government doesn't really represent the people, but that's a conversation for later. But the controversy here is the World Commerce Corporation represents private interests, stealing the spoils of war, stealing personnel, stealing industry. And also, and this is where the bubble opens up about advanced science. They had a full year before the Americans swept through Europe and collected all this interesting tech. And it is, I think, indebatable, indisputable that they will have taken the best things to... wherever they went. And I don't think, by the way, it doesn't have to be working flying saucers. That could have been a lie designed to distract us. I mean, there are almost a convenient number of Nazis who suddenly claim that that was the breakthrough. What if it's directed energy weapons? What if it's some kind of mind control? What if it's some of these more subtle things that aren't as captivating as a flying disc to the human mind? And so that's basically the core of the story. Speaker 1 (19:50) Yeah. And everybody can already see what I meant by this deep, meticulous research. So the punchline is this, that in a nutshell, these stories you hear about, you know, if you've been around this sphere, this idea that the Nazis were working on secret tech, UFO-related tech. But that for that work to continue, there would have had to been a massive flow of not just knowledge, but resources and very well hidden resources and efforts that would have to be sanctioned from a high level, right? Like you can't just move massive amounts of gold, manufacturing, all of this kind of stuff. It's very large scale, you know, stuff that... not only has like a physical footprint, but requires a lot of people, expertise, personnel, all of that stuff. Speaker 1 (20:48) So it starts to sound very outlandish and very unlikely on its face, right? But then when you start to see that there were literally hundreds of tons of gold and, you know, key people and collusion from the highest levels within the, like, allied power governments, the United States, the UK, everybody, you know, all these people you just named, like, there's your plausible roadmap for how something like this occurs, for how... this secret technology, these key people, this manufacturing, all the money needed actually does make it out and does survive under these like shadowy organizations with very mundane sounding names, right? So yeah, you've already started to allude to what some of these things could be. And in your videos, I don't know if you've arrived at any conclusions yet that you've published. But where is your mind going in terms of what it was? Like, do you think there could potentially have been, you know, UFO tech? Or do you think it mostly makes it out in the form of a sort of like, I don't know, hidden kind of governance system? Like, you mentioned the Psy stuff as well. And I mean, that's impossible not to bring up because we know that the Nazis were deeply... obsessed with the esoteric and the occult and were trying all kinds of things that would absolutely be just like next level human rights violations if they were happening today in any kind of public way. But yet you do hear stories and you do see vestiges of very similar things like with stories about the GATE program and MKUltra, Project Stargate to a lesser extent because that doesn't seem quite as, you know... terrifying in what they were trying to do, but still related. So, I mean, do you see all of this as like different tendrils that may have started back there? I'm just stacking up the questions at this point, so I'll shut up and let you riff. Friends, I have been cooking Speaker 2 (22:57) up the goods over in the members section on Speaker 1 (23:00) YouTube and at patreon.com forward slash third eyedrops. What are said goods and was cooking? Really the best verb you could summon on this occasion? Well, to the former question. Said goods are weekly, at least roughly, exclusive content that you are never going to see here on the main feed. With some of your favorite guests, by the way. Case in point, I am slowly working on a doc that I shot at Contact in the Desert this year with a number. of your favorite beings on the topic of UFOs and consciousness. And I will be releasing the full unedited conversations with all of those people only on the members channel and on Patreon. If you do join up over at patreon.com forward slash third eyedrops, you will get access to all of those exclusive videos, plus a patron only discord and occasional live hangs and more. And yes, of course, the doc will be coming out on the main feed if I didn't make that clear. So much love for watching, my friends. While I have you, tickle that algorithm, like, subscribe, review if you are listening on Spotify. So, I mean, do you see all of this as like different tendrils that may have started back there? I'm just stacking up the questions at this point, so I'll shut up and let you riff. Speaker 2 (24:19) Yeah, I know it's such an important question to try and figure out if this was happening. where did it lead to? Someone recently asked me, how does this connect to the legacy program? It's a great question to clarify what would the connection be? This again is where it's this contrast between what the government got versus what this private group was doing. This private group was in some ways aligned with the Western powers in the Cold War, but they also could could pull the other way, right? They weren't necessarily supporting the Soviets. I don't think that was going on, but they kind of acted as a third power. And so when we look at like the legacy program, it's government sanctioned through aerospace companies and through the executive branch and the Department of Energy. And so it's, although it's kind of rogue and it's not having proper democratic oversight, that's... in some ways being sanctioned through the existing infrastructure of the government. And I think what we're looking at here is something that may have intersected with the government at times, but really is its own thing. And there's a couple of interesting testimonies here, which kind of, you know, add some color. Matthew Brown, one of the whistleblowers who came out last year, he worked at the State Department. He was a counter-proliferations analyst, so someone working on weapons of mass destruction and trying to stop the proliferation of those. When he came out, he was asked by George Knapp, if we've made progress with reverse engineering this stuff, could we use it? Were we going to see that deployed in war? And Brown's response was striking. It was, And whoever's made progress with that, it's not the government and the government may be permitted to use it, but it ultimately isn't in their hands. That is also what DeLong depicted in his novels. And of course, DeLong had some remarkable advisors. You don't have to believe that the advisors were necessarily being good to him, but I think you do have to believe that the advisors were there advising him. So, you know, you've got these sort of apocryphal tales coming from... People who are connected to the inside world suggesting that there is a lineage of technology which doesn't belong to the government. And so these government programs, which maybe we're tapping into, may be something different. And I think that's quite a scary thought, you know, that private industry seems to have its own lineage of technology. And then, of course… you go back to 2017, we were kind of going through this process of disclosure or whatever you want to call it. And you know, it's like, oh, UAP needs to be taken seriously. And that gets processed. And then, you know, Lou Elizondo, I don't know if it was him or who it was, but you know, they're like on Fox news saying it's not Russian, it's not Chinese, it's not our own technology. And you're like, okay, well, you're naming nation states, right? Is it possible that it's human? Some of it, I don't think it all is, by the way, I do think something else is going on. but is some of it human technology that doesn't belong to a nation? And, you know, that's a thread that I think might have something heavy at the end of it. Yeah, Speaker 1 (27:38) it's essentially the breakaway civilization kind of argument, right? And I just talked to Dolan again very recently. Episode's not out yet. And I tried to bring up the breakaway civilization. Speaker 1 (27:51) with him again and and it very much plays into everything that you're saying like could there and it sounds like the most batshit crazy consumer conspiracy theory right like oh yeah there's this hidden group that's super powerful and it has crazier better tech than we do and it's secretly pulling the strings of everything and and to an extent yes that sounds super cartoonish but when you do see the evidence right over and over and over again in all of these ufo sightings from all of these whistleblowers who are saying things like Matt Brown, like Lou Elizondo. It does beg the question, what in hell are we seeing then? And what role, if any, could humans have in it? And I do think we should seriously entertain the idea that some of this stuff could be of, I don't know, alternative human origin rather than jumping to the extraterrestrial hypothesis right away. And there's that McCaslin quote to the effect of anything that's crashed has not been extraterrestrial. Have you seen this quote? Or Speaker 2 (28:54) an ex the other day. Yeah. Speaker 1 (28:55) Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Probably new stenosis who's like another just insanely deep researcher. I've talked to him a bit. I talked to him a bit when I was working on my, my, my fear G and UFOs video that I'm still plugging away at that will be out eventually. But, but yeah, basically what he's saying there is again, Neil McCasland, you know, head of. Air Force, is it Air Force Science and Technology? Air Force Research Speaker 2 (29:26) Laboratory. Yeah, yeah. At Speaker 1 (29:29) Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. I mean, just as deep in these programs and these technologies as you can possibly be, who, by the way, was an advisor to Tom DeLonge when he was writing these books. Those emails leaked out for anybody that doesn't know that story. You can see these emails between... DeLong and Podesta where he's talking about General McCaslin being an advisor. So anyway, yeah, he's insinuating that things that have crashed that appear to be