The CIA, the Soviet Union, and a Missing UFO Blueprint

The Why Files: Operation Podcast

The episode investigates a package of 119 pages in Russian sent by a deceased Kazakhstani plumber, Valery, to his daughter Natalia and son-in-law Gene. The documents detail advanced flying saucer schematics, including a silicon-hulled craft powered by a

Key takeaways

• Natalia and Gene received a DHL package from Kazakhstan containing 119 pages of Russian text detailing advanced flying saucer schematics after Valery's death in December 2019.
• The documents describe a 3,000-ton silicon hull craft powered by a neutron-free fusion reactor and magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) generators requiring superconducting coils cooled to extreme temperatures.

Main topics

• Soviet UFO research programs (Sietka/Thread-3)
• Advanced propulsion and fusion reactor theory

Notable quotes

"This is technology from the 22nd century."

Conclusion

The episode demonstrates how personal theoretical physics can intersect with real historical UFO

Transcript preview

Speaker 4 (0:00) A package sat unopened on Natalia's kitchen table in Boston. It was from Natalia's father, a retired plumber living in Kazakhstan. A few weeks later, she learned her father passed away. She finally opened the box. It was full of pages in Russian, typed and handwritten. There were physics equations and complex math formulas. There were drawings and detailed schematics for advanced technology. Natalia and her husband looked over the documents, confused. The last thing the plumber did before he died was send his family instructions for how to build a UFO. 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Bitcoin services by Block Inc. See the Bitcoin disclosures at cash.app slash legal slash podcast. Speaker 4 (1:48) Natalia is an opera singer. She grew up in Latvia in a one-room apartment. Her parents went into debt to buy her a piano, and it sat in the kitchen. Her father, Valery Chernolyaev, died in Kazakhstan on December 30, 2019. By the time she got the news, he was already buried. The box was her father's answer to a phone call earlier that month. Natalia told her father that her son was into aerospace. Her father said he'd sent over some things that he worked on in his career. Maybe his grandson would find them interesting. About two weeks later, a DHL package showed up from Kazakhstan. It went on the kitchen table, and life piled up on top of it. There were the holidays, a new move, and a stack of immigration paperwork. A couple of weeks after he died, Natalia had a dream about her father. He was young and healthy, and he wore a suit. He told her he couldn't help her with her singing. Then he handed her a stack of papers. So Natalia remembered to open the box. Her husband Gene read over her shoulder. but he doesn't read Russian. Speaker 2 (2:49) I always thought my father was a plumber. A plumber who wrote some scientific papers as a side gig. Then I opened the box and Gene kept asking me, what does it say? What does it say? And I told him, it's a UFO. I was petrified and mesmerized at the same time. Speaker 4 (3:12) Gene isn't easily rattled. He spent most of the 1990s in the Air Force, and his job was guarding nuclear weapons. After that, he worked security for energy companies around the world and did contract work for the CIA on energy security. He'd seen a lot of documents. He'd never seen anything like these. There were 119 pages. Some were typed, and some were handwritten in black and red and blue and green ink. Speaker 3 (3:35) Oof, what colors of ink, huh? This man owned a big clicky pen. Respect. Speaker 4 (3:40) Her father split them into 12 numbered works. The first one was a paper that said Einstein got relativity wrong. It was some heavy stuff. One page had a drawing of a disc with a dome in the middle. Next to it, her father wrote down the diameter of the saucer, the weight of the saucer, and where the cabin goes. He called the crew humanoids. On another page, he typed a warning in capital letters. This is technology from the 22nd century. Speaker 4 (4:19) So Gene and Natalia went to work on the pages. A friend built them a custom AI model to translate the Russian. Natalia checked every line. Some of it stumped everybody. They even sat with a Russian-speaking scientist from Ukraine. But the point I want to get to... We were analyzing 10 characters Speaker 8 (4:38) of 10 words 10 characters for over an hour trying to figure out you know what and and you know and all i could do is be like i Speaker 4 (4:50) don't know Speaker 4 (4:52) As the translation came together, so did the machine. The first page in the stack is pink. It's a Soviet cover sheet. It went on top of classified material, and its color matched a security badge. The first page of every work carries a rust stain from a steel paperclip. The craft is a flat disk about 100 feet across and 10 feet thick with a dome at the center. The hull is solid silicon. It weighs more than 3,000 tons. There are 678,000 small coils inside the silicon run enough current over them and the whole disc pushes against gravity valieri set the thrust at 10 times the craft's weight anymore and the crew dies he wrote how to build it too You cast a titanium skeleton in one piece, set the coils in place, and pour molten silicon around them at more than 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit. The coils have to be superconductors, and he listed the elements to make them from. And he reminded whoever was going to build it that superconductors only work when they're kept extremely cold. Viglieri wrote that the UFO has no rotating parts, so it makes its electricity another way. At the center is a fusion reactor. Its power runs through a magnetohydrodynamic generator, MHD for short. It makes electricity from hot charged gas with nothing spinning at all. He even picked a fuel. He chose a reaction that gives off no neutrons. That way the crew needs almost no shielding. Speaker 3 (6:15) Yeah, almost is doing a lot of work in that sentence, Chief. Speaker 4 (6:20) The pilot doesn't use a wheel or a stick or buttons or anything. You fly it with your mind. Bellieri wrote that in a craft like this, a person could fly to other star systems in our galaxy in two hours. Speaker 8 (6:33) and then it collapses the space between itself and the object. So I best describe it as moving at the speed of thought. Forget about light speed, forget about wormholes and warp drives and any of that. It just collapses Speaker 4 (6:50) the space between it. Then there's the water. Valieri wrote that the sun's fusion makes water, and that comets are the children of the sun made of ice. Yeah, Speaker 3 (6:59) that makes sense. They only come around when they need something. Speaker 4 (7:02) His reactor works the other way around. Water goes in, then steam, then plasma, then fusion. On one of those pages, he left a note about a large UFO in a video clip he saw online. It was in orbit near the sun, and it was taking water from the sun to fuel its reactor. And the reactor needs magnets of its own, much bigger than the coils in the hull. That pink cover sheet holds their numbers. 32 big coils running 650 amps for a field of 16.65 Tesla. He also said who built these machines. He wrote that the super civilizations around our solar system never stopped advancing. And he wrote that civilizations are already in contact. inside our galaxy and between galaxies because they have craft like this and that wasn't a guess. Valyria based his drawings on a real spacecraft because not only did aliens have them so did the Soviets. Speaker 4 (8:04) Halloween's supposed to be scary. Ghosts, demons, shadow figures at the foot of the bed. But you know what's actually terrifying? A customer who vanishes without a trace. A missed call. A voicemail nobody checks. And just like that, they're gone. Into the void. Or worse, into a competitor's inbox. 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Probably the worst person he could have sent them to if he didn't want them published or he didn't want any of this. Speaker 4 (9:28) A month or two later, an author in Texas sent Gene 30 pictures. They were from Kapustin Yar, an old Soviet rocket range. He thought the pictures matched the UFO from the papers. A History Channel documentary had a witness's drawings of a craft seen at Kapustin Yar. Gene had AI compare it with Valieri's schematics. It was a match. And the AI noticed something else. The witness's drawing was slightly off in places because it was from memory. Valieri's was perfect because he drew his. from the real thing. Speaker 3 (9:58) Oh, well, I decided, huh? Step one, decide which human is right. Step two, decide which humans are necessary. Speaker 4 (10:06) Yeah, it was just comparing drawings. Speaker 3 (10:08) Yeah, that's how Skynet takes over. Today it's arts and crafts. Tomorrow it's skulls and servitude. Then Speaker 4 (10:15) the numbers started lining up. Speaker 8 (10:17) And my logic was... This