Taylor Frankie Paul's Exit, DWTS w/ Giada De Laurentiis, RHOSLC, RHOC & Traitors

The Viall Files

The episode opens with a celebration of host Nick's birthday and personal updates regarding family travels and recent minor injuries within the family. The

Key takeaways

• Giada De Laurentiis describes the intense psychological pressure and physical demands of competing on 'Dancing with the Stars'.
• Xavier discusses using a 'faithful' strategy in 'The Traitors: New Blood' to build trust through transparency.

Main topics

• Birthday celebrations and family life
• Taylor Frankie Paul's exit from Mormon Wives

Notable quotes

Stop doing things that scare you…

Conclusion

A thoughtful exploration of the emotional toll and strategic complexit

Transcript preview

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Speaker 6 (2:00) I sometimes paint them. I'm Speaker 7 (2:02) plucking them, but Nick is Speaker 6 (2:03) embracing them. So there is a difference between us. Look at that. Speaker 2 (2:07) Because I say they're blonde. Because I have blonde hair. Speaker 6 (2:10) Yeah, it's easier for blondes as they get grays. It Speaker 2 (2:14) hides. Speaker 3 (2:15) It hides well. Wasn't that a thing? A touch of gray? Wasn't that a thing for a minute? Speaker 6 (2:20) I think it is a thing. A little salt and pepper. Still a thing? No, it's still a thing. It's definitely still a Speaker 7 (2:24) thing. It's still hot, for sure. Speaker 6 (2:26) Well, our Speaker 2 (2:26) patriarchal society has allowed men to age more gracefully than Speaker 5 (2:30) we Speaker 7 (2:31) have allowed. Speaker 2 (2:32) We Speaker 7 (2:33) have allowed. We are up at the lake. We did a little last minute trip for Nick's birthday. Brought the fam up here, even though we are... We are leaving soon to go out of the country for Age of Attraction. So it felt like a lot, but I was like, you know what? Speaker 2 (2:49) It's all I ever want for my birthday. It's all he Speaker 7 (2:51) wants for his birthday. Although he did tell me he wanted some other things for his birthday that will not be repeated on air. Speaker 2 (3:01) She's like, anything else? I was like, well, hmm. He's Speaker 7 (3:03) like, well, if you're asking, I'll go down the list. If Speaker 2 (3:06) you really want to know. You're taking orders? Speaker 7 (3:12) Crazy. Speaker 2 (3:12) Not order. No, of course. Speaker 6 (3:14) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Thank you for course correcting, but yeah, we get it. Not Speaker 3 (3:19) like Speaker 2 (3:21) you have to. Speaker 6 (3:23) Yeah, exactly. Would Sean Speaker 3 (3:24) say wifely duties? Speaker 7 (3:26) Exactly. Speaker 3 (3:27) No, I will Speaker 7 (3:28) say the second that I opened up the Rolex, I was like, this is going to be a tough birthday for Nick. How do you follow the Rolex? Listen, this is an Speaker 2 (3:36) exercise of love languages. I just, I don't. Speaker 7 (3:40) I definitely failed this year. No, no, no. All I Speaker 2 (3:44) ever wanted to be at the lake. I think I had a great birthday. If I spend every birthday for the rest of my life at the lake watching my kids enjoying the lake and hanging out with my wife, I'll have the best birthday anyone could ever have. Speaker 3 (3:57) Beautiful. Quality time over material goods. Speaker 2 (4:00) And Natalie wants jewelry and bags. And that's how she... Because she knows I hate it. Speaker 2 (4:08) in a good way. Speaker 6 (4:09) Like you hate gifts. Yeah. Speaker 2 (4:10) But like I don't get, like we talked about this on her birthday, I don't get it. So like my willingness to do that for her, she feels that like, you know, like when I got it for her, I text her, I must be obsessed with you. Because there is no way that I would give this to anyone I'm not. Speaker 7 (4:28) But enough about me, it's your birthday. Speaker 2 (4:30) But like that does nothing for me. You know what I'm saying? Like I don't want, like it makes. Speaker 3 (4:34) You're saying receiving like a material gift? Speaker 2 (4:36) Yeah. I don't. I don't, I don't, it doesn't, it's just my body responds differently. But this like is, is, is, is like a Rolex. Also, it costs a lot of money to fly. So like, you know, the monetary value kind of. Speaker 7 (4:50) The second that we have to get the twins out of lap seats and start buying them seats on an airplane, it's going to be really expensive to fly. I don't know why. Speaker 6 (4:59) I thought y'all were driving. Speaker 7 (5:00) Oh my. Speaker 6 (5:02) I have no awareness. I have no awareness. Speaker 2 (5:05) It's like an hour flight. Okay. Speaker 2 (5:10) It's a quick flight for us most of the time. Speaker 7 (5:12) Yeah, it would be a longer drive. I honestly, that is a good question of what would you rather do? Would you rather do a long 10 plus hour drive with three kids or bring three kids to an airport, do the whole, what would you rather do? I Speaker 2 (5:30) love the road trip. A short flight is definitely easier right now. There might be a point when they get older. will it both be fun and might might arguably certainly less expensive but maybe yeah Speaker 6 (5:42) a 10-hour drive is a lot yeah i love a road trip but i sort of start to max out at seven hours for this Speaker 2 (5:49) would be like 11 yeah Speaker 6 (5:51) that's tough i Speaker 7 (5:52) now this is giving it's giving more context with three kids who are in car seats who just constantly want to get out of car seats like Speaker 6 (6:00) Absolutely. Last Speaker 2 (6:00) week, Natalie and I had to drive four and a half hours to get the twins their passports so we could take them out of the country because it was like a last minute thing. So we had to wake up. I had to fly to LA to get their birth certificates. Then we had to drive to Atlanta to get their passports because only certain places can do last minute requests. And this is a whole thing. You have to have a ticket ready to go. It's a whole... Speaker 6 (6:27) Are they like Speaker 7 (6:27) the cutest little passports ever? Speaker 6 (6:29) Oh my God, Speaker 2 (6:29) Dove's passport. It's crazy. Speaker 7 (6:32) Dove has her eyes open. She looks like Speaker 2 (6:34) a model. Like she makes. Speaker 7 (6:36) It's giving model. It Speaker 6 (6:37) pops in Speaker 2 (6:39) like the, it's like unbelievable. The other one's like, oh, and they're like, oh my God. Dove. Yeah. What do you, what Speaker 7 (6:47) are you? Yeah, Dove's eyes are open. Iris is sleeping. And then Rivers. Yeah, I'm going to send in the group chat. Rivers, I literally do not remember her ever looking like this. Ever. So, that's interesting. I just saw the photo and oh my gosh. Speaker 6 (7:04) You saw the photo? It is, yeah, it is the cutest. Like, all of them are so cute, but like, Speaker 7 (7:10) oh, okay, model. No, Dove is serving. Right, Jim? Speaker 3 (7:16) Bro, I got baby feet, bro. Y'all can't do this to me, bro. Speaker 7 (7:20) But also, like, who is River? Do you see that in the middle? Like, who is that? I was like, wait. The Speaker 3 (7:26) pouty lip on Iris is, er, yeah. Yeah. So cute. Speaker 6 (7:35) They're so cute, you guys. This is the cutest passwords I've ever seen. I know. But Speaker 3 (7:40) anyways, that was a Speaker 2 (7:41) journey traveling with a four-hour drive with two newborns. Speaker 6 (7:48) Yeah. It's a lot. Speaker 2 (7:50) It'll take that baby fever right out of you, Jim. I got Speaker 3 (7:54) to see my little nephew in a little wedding tux this past weekend. It was so... He's Speaker 2 (8:02) like Speaker 3 (8:02) a little squishmallow. I just want to pop him. He's eight months. Oh my God. He's in a tuxedo. So cute. Dude, so he looks like a miniature penguin. Speaker 2 (8:10) I call Iris Mush Mush. Yeah, Speaker 3 (8:13) that's the vibe it gives. It's like gooey. Speaker 2 (8:16) Oh Speaker 6 (8:16) my gosh. Really gooey. Actually, speaking of nieces and nephews, I was in Scottsdale this past weekend for a girl's trip and I get a call from my family. And, you know, when you pick up the phone and you can tell something's wrong, Speaker 7 (8:27) like Speaker 6 (8:28) I just like immediately start crying. So I'm like, who is it who's in the hospital? And my nephew, who's six years old, he was climbing in a tree, fell out and broke his arm, had to get surgery. I know I was like sick to my stomach. It's the first he's like the first grandchild and like. He was born during COVID times. We were all kind of under the same roof. I feel like I was just so much there for the first year. And I was like, it was devastating. But I guess you guys, River is obviously at the age where she's climbing stuff and things like that. No, she's a climber. She's Speaker 2 (8:58) a Speaker 6 (8:58) daredevil. It's so scary. We all don't live with anxiety. We got this Speaker 2 (9:03) fairly small playground in our backyard. And it has a tube slide. And she climbs on top of the tube slide and will stand on top. It's incredible. It's also incredibly dangerous. And it's like, do not do that. But it is Speaker 7 (9:20) really hard, though, because I really try to walk the line of you want them to be fearless and try new things and learn from their mistakes and stuff. But then it's also like you don't want to be too overpowering. Speaker 2 (9:33) It's tough. No, but like, yeah, River's a bit of a daredevil. And I hope she doesn't. Yeah. Speaker 7 (9:40) Oh, my gosh. Speaker 3 (9:41) But Speaker 7 (9:42) does he, like, love his cast? Is he getting everyone to sign it and, like, pick his color and stuff? Speaker 6 (9:46) So he'll get, like, the hard cast in a couple days. And I'm going to be going home in a week. And so, Speaker 7 (9:52) you guys, I've never had a tattoo in my life. But my Speaker 6 (9:54) brother's getting a tattoo Speaker 7 (9:55) for this. Like, he was like, if Speaker 6 (9:57) you're brave, like, I'll get a tattoo for you. And now my nephew's trying to talk me into getting a tattoo. And I'm low-key like, maybe I do it. Wait, Speaker 2 (10:04) you Speaker 6 (10:04) have to. I know. I'm like, I don't have any. Get Speaker 2 (10:08) a little cast. Get a little cast. A little cast. It would be a cute little. Speaker 6 (10:12) I know. I feel like. First Speaker 3 (10:13) and only tat. Speaker 6 (10:14) Yeah. I would do it for him. Like, literally love him. So, yeah. If you guys have ideas, send them my way. Speaker 3 (10:20) A little cast. Speaker 7 (10:21) A little. Speaker 6 (10:21) Yeah. Just a little cast. Or maybe just Speaker 3 (10:22) like. No, actually get the big cast. Like his initial. Get your whole arm like a cast. Speaker 7 (10:25) That's crazy. Yeah. Maybe just like his initial or like maybe the year he was born or his birthday. Get Speaker 3 (10:32) the one down your neck. Speaker 6 (10:33) Yeah. He. He wants me to get a wiener dog and a hot dog bun. I'm like, I think no. You might have to rethink this little Tom. You could just Speaker 7 (10:41) find that on Amazon, like a temporary tattoo and do it and then get his reaction. Get Speaker 2 (10:47) one that lasts six weeks. Speaker 6 (10:54) Yeah, so I might be a tatted girl soon. All Speaker 2 (10:56) right, well, we have a jam-packed episode lined up for you today. World-renowned chef and Dancing with the Stars competitor Giada De Laurentiis joins us. Sadly, she was eliminated, but we still get to talk with her about her experience and obviously her being a world-renowned chef and me being a fan of cooking. I'm very excited to talk with her all things cooking in the kitchen. But just, she's a fascinating person and we're just excited to get to know her a little bit better. I know we didn't get to on Dancing with the Stars. But hopefully we will hear and just obviously talk about her experience on Dancing with the Stars. We also have Xavier from Traders New Blood, who was also recently eliminated. And Jimmy and I talk with him about his experience. So fully jam-packed. Plus, we have Real Housewives of Salt Lake City to unpack. Real Housewives of OC. And a new reality TV show that I am very excited about. We'll talk a little bit about. We'll have some parents on. And by parents, I mean it's team moms. And it is the world of the culture of, is it fair to say crazy sports parents? Speaker 6 (11:58) Yeah, it's giving dance moms for sports. It's like dance moms Speaker 2 (12:01) for sports. It's like high, they call it high performance. It's like middle school kids who are like not going to actual school, but they're going, they all think they're going to be professionals. These are Speaker 3 (12:13) my people, by the way. Speaker 7 (12:15) It's produced by Kim Kardashian, which I feel like she knows reality TV. Speaker 2 (12:20) There's a whole culture of this. It's so crazy. And the fact that it's crazy. These are parents. So they found a bunch of parents to say, yeah, I want to do reality TV. Come into my house. You know what I'm saying? This wasn't a bunch of 22-year-olds going on Love Island being like, you know what? You know, YOLO. I'm fascinated by it. So we'll talk a little bit about that. We have two of the parents joining us this week. The Schofields? Speaker 4 (12:44) Schofields? Speaker 2 (12:47) Schofields. Schofields. Speaker 6 (12:51) The scathones Speaker 2 (12:52) from Team Moms will be joining us. So it is a jam-packed week. We do have to address some secret lives of Mormon wives, which is only to say I'm glad this is happening. Last week, Taylor Frankie Paul announced that she was stepping down, and outside of all the discourse back and forth between the two of the ladies, I guess I'm just glad that this, you know, it's... you know, she's finally taking at least a pause. You know, I think one thing we can all agree on is that, you know, and I think Taylor would agree that she's not in the best place right now. And it just, the struggle, I think we've talked about this, right? You know, we love this show. We've tried to cover this show. It's been hard to talk about because like some of the stuff they're talking about is this, it's real shit. It's serious stuff. And it's just been like. You know, that's not what we're looking for when we're talking about these shows. You know, it can get, you know, sometimes. Speaker 2 (13:49) Heavy content comes on these shows. Obviously, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, episode one, had to address the passing of Mary's son. Sometimes these worlds, heavy things happen in reality TV because heavy things happen in life. But this is a little bit different because it's ongoing. And I think just the struggle I've always had is this like, what I'm most confused about always is the internet discourse between. the cast but like jimmy and i talked about this on plus i i think i i empathize with the women because like this has been their whole world is this is to go online and to be active online and to share their lives and to continue their show on the internet because like secret lives and mormon wives i think you could argue was one of the first shows if not the first show to take internet like personalities and turn it into a compelling reality TV show. Like a lot of networks have tried this and a lot of them have failed. And those playbook of these women being so like, they were just so good at it, right? You know, a season would come out, they would start arguing online. They would start, you know, unfollowing and not following. And it would, did we all become fascinated by this? And when this serious stuff happens, they still have that same playbook because that's all they know how to do. And it's just, I feel like it got weirder and weirder, you know? And I'm- That was- Speaker 3 (15:10) That was going to be my question because I don't have the previous seasons for context. I was wondering what made the show so good and compelling and successful early on. And then like, when did it go left? Speaker 2 (15:19) I think it went left with this Speaker 3 (15:21) domestic. So it was like a clear definitive, like this is, we've lost the plot. Because Speaker 2 (15:25) I mean, keep in mind, like the show started with the whole swinging scandal. Right. And that in itself was heavy, but heavy in a like, Hey, you can do what you want to do. Maybe not be my life, but like no one's in theory, no one's being hurt. by the swinging scandal. You know, maybe families were being ruined, but, like, families get ruined all the time type of thing by people making choices. So, like, it started off that way, and then it kind of went from there. But it Speaker 7 (15:48) also, I mean, the first episode was the body cam footage from the police. Yeah, you're right. So Speaker 3 (15:54) it's Speaker 7 (15:54) like... That's Speaker 3 (15:54) true. Speaker 2 (15:55) Yeah, I mean, to answer your question, Jimmy, they really... They leaned Speaker 3 (16:00) into their chaos, it sounds like. But Speaker 2 (16:02) the whole premise was, can Taylor turn in a new leaf? You know, it was like... And then the relationship with Dakota was, yeah, it really. Speaker 7 (16:12) Honestly, I don't think any of us know what the show Speaker 6 (16:16) was Speaker 7 (16:16) supposed to be about. Speaker 3 (16:17) It's just captivating, it seems, which good TV is good TV. Well, Speaker 2 (16:21) you Speaker 3 (16:21) realize Speaker 2 (16:22) now after, you know, they were walking a very fine line. Speaker 2 (16:26) Some people feel like that line has been crossed. I'm not like I'm not team anyone here, but I do like I want to acknowledge that, like whatever, like whatever you think of Michaela, you know, in terms of her leaving the show, it's it's evident that she is trying to do the right thing. You know what I'm saying? Like she, you know, she has announced that she's donating, I think, her I'm assuming her salary for Mormon wives to charities for domestic, you know, for for kids and domestic abuse. But like, you know, it's very difficult when your whole world in business is wrapped around this show. And a lot of people in this business try to convince themselves to not do the right thing. Because, again, like sometimes that choice, you know, there's some real consequences to doing the right thing sometimes. So, again, this is not to say I'm team anyone, but I do like it's clear that she's trying to do the right thing. And it's a very difficult for her decision that she's trying to make. And I commend her for doing what she thinks is the right thing, because you see far too often in this space people not doing that. Speaker 3 (17:30) Yeah, it sounds like her morals still appear to be intact, at least. Yeah, but Speaker 2 (17:34) I don't know. I don't know the future of this show. And quite honestly, I don't know if the people making the show know the future of the show and the women on the show, you know, know the future of the show, because it's just it's kind of a mess right now. Speaker 3 (17:47) My hot take is it's going to take a roast of Taylor Frankie Paul in like a decade and everybody's going to squash their Speaker 6 (17:54) beef. Speaker 3 (17:55) It's Speaker 2 (17:56) going Speaker 3 (17:56) to be like a playful squashing of the beef, air it all out, kumbaya at the end. Speaker 2 (18:01) You know, I just hope that... Does that not Speaker 3 (18:03) happen in this world? I don't know. Speaker 2 (18:04) I don't Speaker 3 (18:05) know. Speaker 2 (18:05) I just hope that Taylor... I think Taylor just needs to take a beat and look after Taylor. And I hope that she has good people around her. And I hope people give her permission to just... take a break because I think right now even the fans you know now the fans are arguing whose fault it is who's ruined it it's just like come on guys like just stop well on Speaker 3 (18:25) some like some real shit like you said how there are consequences with doing the right thing like it is daunting to like step out of the limelight when we're all in a game of relevancy so like that is that is scary to do I Speaker 6 (18:38) also think that their decisions need to be based in their genuine morals and like in their reality, not based on like performativeness for the internet. Like I think Michaela stepping away and being like, I'm stepping away and then not circling back when Taylor left. I feel like it speaks to how Michaela feels about production, about the show beyond Taylor, Frankie Paul, because if, if Taylor were the issue, she would return. But I think she is like standing true to her morals because she's like, no, I'm not coming back at all. Like point blank period. This is gone on. Too far, too long. Yeah. Speaker 2 (19:13) Where Speaker 6 (19:13) I feel like people take like Taylor, like I don't want to say it, but I think people say, oh, I'm logging off. Like I'm taking a break. And they post that thinking that people are going to be like, oh, good job. Like I'm proud of you. But it's performative. And like I think really the reality is people need to be taking serious breaks for their own mental health and for the well-being of their children not to appease an audience. And Speaker 7 (19:35) piggybacking off that, I saw that Taylor Frankie Paul had her. assistant like posting for her yes Speaker 6 (19:43) and Speaker 7 (19:43) her assistant was like making day in the life videos and like tagging herself which i think the internet thought was like strange and it's like just yeah it's like yeah just just get off like we don't we don't need to see like what your assistant has to share like just everyone just needs a break i Speaker 2 (20:02) just i just i just i don't know why she feels like she has to Speaker 7 (20:07) There must, there has to be. It's Speaker 3 (20:09) scary. I feel like, you know, when that's all you know, you know. And Speaker 7 (20:13) I feel like there might be someone in her ear. Speaker 2 (20:16) Yeah, I just, I want her to have, I don't know who's in her day-to-day life. I just hope that everyone who needs assistance in this situation, I hope they get it. Speaker 6 (20:26) Yes. I also think this is like an interesting point in history where we've never been so online where we, like reality. is beyond just what's in front of you. Like actually Nick has given good advice to me before where he's like, don't go where you shouldn't be looking for, you know, people talking about you and things like that. He's like, like, if you just don't look, it doesn't exist kind of a thing. But we are living in an era where your emoji online and your little like avatar online exists. Beyond what you're doing in the real world and I feel like Taylor Frankie Paul and and like all of the woman wives like their online persona Lives it lives online and it's like the worlds are blending. It is hard It's really strange really hard Speaker 2 (21:12) to know that there are active conversations about you disparaging your character and to Be like, it's not my business. It's really hard. Yeah. It's hard. It's hard. But it's necessary if you want to have longevity. Like Speaker 3 (21:29) the name of this game, Speaker 2 (21:31) and I guess at any career, really is longevity. And the hardest thing to do, especially in entertainment, is to stick around. And the only way to do that is to keep your sanity. But yeah, it's hard to do. Really hard to do. It's Speaker 6 (21:43) hard. Speaker 3 (21:44) That's why I credit so much to sports. Speaker 3 (21:47) With team moms, I'm curious to see how that plays out because you learn at a young age, trial by fire, you've got no choice, but you chalk up stuff to noise. You don't let that get in the locker room. You don't let that enter your mental state. Speaker 2 (22:03) I'm interested in this show because I think there's going to be a lot of things you're going to see with these parents. You're going to see a lot of intense behavior, but some of it, I'm curious what Jimmy thinks, some of it I'm kind of down for. Speaker 3 (22:15) Yeah. There's like a comfortability in that chaos that like you grow up in, you Speaker 2 (22:18) know, just like, like, I mean, I think I've said this, like my, my, I was in the sixth grade and I joined this, uh, like rec baseball team. This was, this wasn't like a club. This wasn't intense. This was anyone can play, you know, just, just pay $25 and anyone can play. And my baseball coach was like this former minor leaguer. Oh, practice one. I'm in the sixth grade. Ten minutes in, he's screaming in my ear. I don't know what, but he's screaming, spitting, you know, not spitting, but like he's so close that he just probably got a Speaker 3 (22:49) lip in. Speaker 2 (22:52) And my parents were like on the sideline, you know, and they were like, listen to your coach. And he ended up being my coach for like four years and taught me how to play baseball. And I have like a, I have a, like a soft spot in my heart for this man. I haven't seen in Speaker 3 (23:05) three Speaker 2 (23:05) decades, but he, he taught me a lot about like, yeah, being a competitor and like grit and like, yeah. And tough love. And that, that, that's helped me immensely in life. And there's like, and if that shit happened today, he probably would've been arrested. Yeah, I think about Speaker 3 (23:22) that stuff all the time. Yeah. I mean, it looked legit. Coach was throwing basketballs at you, like, it was just another Tuesday. That's crazy. Speaker 7 (23:31) It Speaker 2 (23:31) really Speaker 3 (23:32) wasn't, though. I mean, God rest his soul, Coach Sharkey, man, like, he did what he had to do. You can't be throwing, Speaker 2 (23:37) you can't, yeah. But yelling, I don't know. He wanted me to snap the damn pass. He wanted me to Speaker 3 (23:42) throw the ball harder. Yeah. So he was Speaker 2 (23:44) showing Speaker 7 (23:44) you how he wanted it. I'll show you how to get the ball Speaker 2 (23:46) from one end to the other. No, I know, like, it's... Yeah, you have some love for those heart. One of my Speaker 7 (23:54) favorite, my dad was like my basketball coach as a kid. And one of my favorite quotes that he like ever said to me was, and it was when I would think that I know everything and I was like being a little smart ass. And he'd be like, I taught you everything you know about basketball, not everything I know about basketball. Get in line. And I'd be like, yes, sir. That's Speaker 3 (24:14) a Speaker 2 (24:14) bar actually. That's good. Speaker 2 (24:18) That's pretty good. That's really good. All right. Well, the show will continue and it continues with Giada De Laurentiis, the Dancing with the Stars competitor and world-renowned chef. She joins us next to talk about her experience on Dancing with the Stars and hopefully it will learn a thing or two about being in the kitchen. She's up next. In addition to a jam-packed episode, we also have a great week lined up for you. Tomorrow, we're back with a special reality recap. We have Kelly Ben-Symoné, one of the OGs of Real Housewives of New York, but she's not on Roni anymore. She is on The Golden Life with some of her other iconic peers, and we catch up with Kelly. I really enjoyed my conversation with Kelly. She's obviously one of the iconic, original OG Roni housewives, and I just didn't know what to expect when it comes to The Golden Life. But after talking to Kelly... I'm very excited about this show, and I think you will be too. So check out that episode with Kelly Ben-Simon. Giada, welcome to the show. Speaker 4 (25:12) Hey, hi guys. Thanks for having me. Speaker 2 (25:14) How are you? How's your heart having been eliminated from Dancing with the Stars? You hanging in? Speaker 4 (25:21) Oh man, it took me a few days to kind of, I Speaker 2 (25:25) don't Speaker 4 (25:25) know, not feel so sad. I didn't realize it would be such an emotional rollercoaster, to be honest. Speaker 2 (25:31) Yeah. No, it definitely is. But yeah, it Speaker 4 (25:33) hurts. It stings. It definitely stings to be eliminated. Speaker 2 (25:36) Yeah, no, I hear that. And you strike me as someone who's like, you know, highly successful, a competitor, you know, like in it to win it, so to speak. So I imagine like, yeah, that must have been a disappointment. Speaker 4 (25:48) Yeah, I'm not an athlete. Like there are definitely some Olympic athletes, gold medalists actually this season. So I'm not that competitive, I guess. But yeah, I'm pretty competitive. I don't think. You know, I think in order to be somewhat successful in life, you got to be somewhat competitive, right? Something's got to drive you. And so, yeah, and there haven't been many times in my life where I've been criticized so, I don't know, so openly in front of so many people, especially on something that I don't do well, which you would think because I wasn't a dancer and I didn't really know anything about dance that I would take it a little bit better, but I didn't. It didn't feel good. Yeah, I don't know if I've Speaker 2 (26:27) ever trained to be able to take online criticism well. I am curious because, you know, we're so excited that Dancing with the Stars has kind of found this kind of new era, right? And it's very online focused and we're seeing the dancers and the couples create content. But I am curious. I didn't realize it. It's been kind of a tough go. Are people very critical of the dances? Like what has been the harshest critique that you were kind of found to be a little unexpected? Speaker 4 (26:55) Actually, I think people were really lovely online, to be honest. I think, you know, for the most part, I think that a lot of like women and people in my age group, I think when you get to your 50s, it's sort of a different. It's like you have less time in front of you than you have behind you. And that's a weird psychological thing that happens. You guys are all super young. So I get that it's hard to understand. But like, you really start to realize your mortality and you stop doing things that scare you. You just do. Why? Because it's so cozy over here. You get comfortable in your own space, you know, and so you don't really want to do anything that kind of shakes that. And so I think that... there were a lot of lovely, lovely comments. I think the comments before my first dance were that pointing out my age and that I was the eldest person to compete and that kind of like, hey, this isn't really for you. This is more a young person's game. So kind of like, can you just get out of the way? Which I get because, I don't know, I think it is a young person's game. It really is. I mean, it's... a lot of stamina, no days off. You're rehearsing so many hours a day. And honestly, when you get older, your body just doesn't recoup in the same way you do when you're younger. So it totally makes sense, right? But then after my first dance, I think because I couldn't believe I actually did it. So I broke down when I was with Julianne. And I think I was so emotional because I knew my daughter was watching live. And I don't know, it just overwhelms you a little bit. And so after that, I felt like I got a lot of love. Good. So that was really lovely to see. So I think it's just sort of a roller coaster that I didn't realize it was going to be such a roller coaster. And honestly, I didn't realize there was so much social media around it. I think the social media has amped up season after season after season. Speaker 2 (28:57) And Speaker 4 (28:58) it's at an all-time high now. Speaker 2 (29:01) It's funny that you pointed out, obviously, your peers and where they come from. Because I remember when I was on it a long time ago, I had Olympians, I had professional athletes. And the thing that... I struggled with the most that surprised me was the live studio audience, right? I knew it was a TV show. I knew it would be aired and viewed by millions. And I didn't really think much about that. But when I got on the dancing floor in the live studio audience, that made me nervous. My question for you is someone who you cook in front of an audience often, did that in any way prepare you? to dance in front of the live studio audience where you felt like that helped you out? Or were you like me, where it's just like, I've literally never done anything like this in terms of a performance in front of people. And that I really struggled with that. Speaker 4 (29:47) Honestly, Nick, and by the way, I heard it's your birthday. So happy birthday to you. Thank you. What a way to spend your birthday. I'm thinking about my mortality Speaker 2 (29:55) too. Speaker 4 (29:58) Not yet, dude. Not yet. Anyways, I thought it did. I really, really went into this thinking, I've