Former Green Beret on Doomsday Prepping, Potential Revolution, and What to Do When Chaos Erupts

The Tucker Carlson Show

Former Green Beret Mike Glover joins Tucker Carlson to discuss the dangers of increasing technological surveillance and institutional depend

Key takeaways

• The expansion of Flock camera systems illustrates how surveillance technology scales rapidly from local use to widespread monitoring.
• Technological integration is a threat because it weakens human capability by making us reliant on external tools like Google Maps.

Main topics

• Surveillance State
• Self-Reliance

Notable quotes

I want you to insource your dependence and become more self-reliant.

Conclusion

True preparedness requires building personal resilience and reducing d

Transcript preview

Speaker 2 (0:04) Mike Glover, thank you for doing this. Congrats on the book. Thank you. You made a point. Many people talk about preparedness. Some are probably not qualified to talk about it. I think you are. But you've made a point I've not heard anybody else make. And that is that we're clearly witnessing the construction of a much more technologically advanced security and surveillance state in our country. That's clear, but that we need to prepare ourselves in the face of that. And I've never heard anybody say that. And I think it's a really interesting idea. And so I hope you'll explain it in depth. But to begin, can you describe what's being constructed now and what you think it means? Yeah, I think it has a lot to do Speaker 3 (0:47) with the incentives that are driving the entire apparatus. The institutions, all of them, are built off of scale. growth, all these metrics. And most of the institutions that are tethered to people have financial incentives and incentives to grow annually from October to October. And what I see happening, especially with a lot of the institutions, they exist in order to keep you tethered to them. So imagine like the analogy I use is like the umbilical cord. everybody is tethered to the umbilical cord. I mean, your water and your power, for example, are tethered to the system, the infrastructure of the city or town that you live in. If something collapses, there's no contingency for anything independently to happen. Right. Because the institution supposedly has a contingency plan. Well, what if they don't, right? The idea of firefighters and policemen. They patrol your neighborhoods because you pay taxes and you have buy-in, collective buy-in, that they're going to take care of you. But we understand from catastrophe that when seconds count, both of those first responders, including EMS professionals, are minutes away. They're not going to be there in enough time. If it's the self-defense shooting, if it's the car accident, they're really there picking up the pieces in many cases. The idea for me is like, I want people to be self-reliant. I just want them to have independence. You know, I have a well, for example. Not everybody could have a well in their backyard. I get that. But there are other elements to this where you can have independence. Protein from the grocery store. I mean, you go to the grocery store, you buy protein. It's in a nice styrofoam container with sulafane and pink gel. You have no idea where it came from. So I want you to insource your dependence and become more self-reliant. Well, if you have an institution that by design in the name of safety, for example, is surveilling you, they're telling you, and now private companies are telling you through the subcontract, they're telling you that we're going to make you safer. And so you don't need to do anything. And I actually just connected this thought because we were having breakfast and I was talking about it. Like I gave the analogy of like walking to target, right? I'm walking to a bad guy's house. In some cases, because of the technology integrated, I didn't have to pull security. So I'm holding a rifle, like using my infrared floodlight and laser to go around every single bush and tree because I'm like, there's something behind there. The aircraft above me that costs millions of dollars has a FLIR pod that could assess heat. And so. There would be the case where it says, hey, there's no need to pull security walking to the objective. We got you. And then a guy is buried underneath foliage or a palm grove, and then he detonates a suicide vest and kills your whole team because you weren't paying attention. So that's the analogy that I say about this integration of tech. The more it grows, the larger it gets, the more reliant you are on that system, and the more... your personal safety is actually compromised. Speaker 2 (4:12) So I think there are two insights in what you just said that hadn't really occurred to me. One, it's the nature of the system, like cancer, to grow. That's encoded in the DNA of all of these systems is growth. That's the center of our kind of business model, national business model, scale. Speaker 2 (4:33) So like Flock, for example, I'm not even aware Flock existed until fairly recently. What's the growth of Flock been like? Yeah, 2017 Speaker 3 (4:41) Flock camera, because it's camera, it's singular. It was just a camera for an HOA. A homeowner's association. A homeowner's association. And the idea was like, let's build this camera. Let's tether solar to it to keep it generated and see how this works. Well, here we are nine years later in scale, and there's not real good numbers because they don't advertise the numbers. But the estimate today is there's 120,000 flock cameras across the United States. So the intention was like, hey, this neighborhood watch wants to put out a camera because there's some things going on with HOA. And then we scale it. Nine years later, it's 120,000 with billions of reports. Every single month that take place with license plates and vehicles and descriptions, et cetera. Now, if you look at that scale as it's kind of like segmented, because other companies are getting smart. Like again, if I start a company, the point is to scale, to grow, to compete. So now we have a competing market of flock like camera systems. So in the case of California. Without the damaged brand name. Without the damaged brand name. You know, I was thinking about this when I was actually coming here because. Every time I drive through my town of Heber City, Utah, there are a couple points in town where if you drive through the intersection, you'll drop cell phone reception. And every time I drop cell phone reception, and I'm no signal intelligence or signal communications expert, I drive through the intersection, I see a flock camera as soon as my cell phone drops. And I'm like, I wonder why that is. Maybe it's interference. Maybe it's not even real. But I'm noticing more flock cameras in my area. Flock would only have to change the form factor and the company name. Now, thanks to public outcry and the attention it's deservingly getting, it's not likely to do that clandestinely. It's going to be leaked and people are going to talk about it. I'll be talking about it. But the scale that I'm seeing now, for example, in California and Texas, is now there are camera systems operating, for example. looking for violations of code. So imagine you live in a neighborhood. Code violations? So code violations, like you have a RV parked in your driveway and you're not supposed to, right? By the way, like if anybody's tracking these stories, most of the code violations they're finding are happening in impoverished areas. We're like... They don't have an HOA that's managing, you know, pulling up in front of somebody's driveway and saying, oh, you have an RV in your parking lot. That's not allowed. And the guy's like, yeah, no problem. I'll just move my RV. Most of it's not RVs. It's damaged fences. It's mailboxes that are ripped down because it's all poor neighborhoods. So apparently they found thousands of code violations in a couple of days actually bragging about it. Like we found all these code violations and now we can wrangle them in. okay, it wasn't a problem before, but now you built the infrastructure to look at it and assess it. Now it's a big problem. You've created a lot more criminals. You've created a lot more criminals. And so it's the idea like, the idea isn't what's happening now, because right now it's like, yeah, there's problems. In fact, I have a thesis or theory on what's going to happen. But when you look at scale, Facebook, was designed to be a social interactive way for college students to communicate with one another. Now they just settled a lawsuit for like $14 billion for child exploitation. So where have we come in scale? Well, we didn't know we were going to land at child exploitation. We were looking at integrating dorm rooms to be able to communicate with one another. So if we look at scale today and how things evolve, this year alone, actually, 107 Speaker 3 (8:40) different reported, there's probably more, situations where flock cameras were damaged. And when you take 107, in some cases, dozens of flock cameras were damaged. Vandalized. Vandalized. So there's reports of this happening because people were upset. Yeah. How does this evolve? Well, in my personal opinion, I think it evolves where we think about civil war. I don't think there's going to be a civil war against people. Because it's not the people that are the problem. It's the institutions, the relationship with people. And when people look at tech, it's a bot. There is no victim. When I take down a flock camera and destroy it with a baseball bat, there's no victim. I'm doing good. And I'm not advocating for anybody to do this, to break the law. But what I'm saying is the scale of how this evolves is rebellion. Because everything that's being integrated. Before, like Facebook from 2004 to present, scaled. Except we don't need 20 years of scale. When you have AI acceleration and then the power, I think the benefit and one of the powers of social media of advancing information across and disseminating across the globe, you see the potential of mass spikes in this graph whereby You're going to have a lot of rebellion. Insurgency, like you've never seen it before. Patriotism, like you've never seen it before. Fighting the systems that are basically trying to take away humanity. You're getting Speaker 2 (10:20) me really excited, Mike Glover, I have to say. Speaker 3 (10:24) Not that Speaker 2 (10:25) I'm endorsing any. It's a thesis. It's a Speaker 3 (10:27) theory. My hypothesis. This is best case. Just Speaker 2 (10:30) say. Where all of a sudden the country unites, the people unite against the machines. How is that not like utopia? They will. Most people don't like thinking about life insurance. It's one of those topics you tend to kind of put off. But if you're married, you've got kids, you've got people who depend on you, you probably should think about what would happen if you weren't around. And that's why we've partnered with Ethos. They've made getting life insurance super easy. You can do the whole thing online. You don't have to sit down with an agent or go through a medical exam. You get a quote in seconds, apply in just a few minutes, and in some cases, you get coverage the same day. You just answer a couple of simple health questions. 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Let's surveil the people who are actually doing it. And they're not hurting people. They're just demonstrating that this is wrong and they're combating it. Because legislatively, There is no solution. And that's my biggest fear, by the way, because I've never been a political guy. I can care less about what's going on in the White House. Because it's not because you shouldn't pay attention to what's happening policy-wise. You should. You should be informed. But my reality revolves around my family, my love of God, and my community. The fear I have now is, for the first time in my life, I'm seeing in Utah, a great state to live in. Like, one of my favorite... My favorite state because I live there. I love it. I love the people of Utah. But for the first time, I'm seeing people like in Elderbox County or people in Ogden Valley fighting against property tax, fighting against data centers. And the politicians that are appointed, elected in those positions aren't listening for the first time. I was like, well, obviously, for five hours, people protest and say, we don't want this. They're members of the community that were elected by the people in that community. They're not going to follow through with that. That's my biggest fear because I always tell people like, you fight for your faith and your family and your community. I got a shirt that says, God, family, prepping, in that order. Speaker 2 (15:19) Yes. Speaker 3 (15:20) And so the fear is now, it's like institutionally, the federal government doesn't have a lot of impact on your life. It can. I'm a veteran. I do a VA. It does. But the reality is the things that are going on in your backyard are more significant. that you should be invested in. And for the first time, I'm seeing people combat, argue, legislate, and they're getting crushed. I mean, Ogden Valley's property tax went up 500%. Like what? Like 500 %? That's not nominal. That's not like a small number. That's a big number for working families. You'll lose your house over that. You'll lose your Speaker 2 (15:55) house over that. Speaker 3 (15:57) And Speaker 2 (15:58) so I'm seeing that. And so Speaker 3 (15:59) when Speaker 2 (15:59) people confronted... local legislative body, you know, the city council or whomever runs it, the local officials, they just ignored them. Speaker 3 (16:08) Box Speaker 2 (16:09) Elder County is a Speaker 3 (16:09) good example. This data center that Kevin Leary got behind. Look, I, there's, I don't, the estimate is wild because it's thousands of data centers, but there's no real like exact number. The estimate's four to 5,000. So if we take data centers that exist. The one that exists, I forget what county, it's in Utah, that Meta owns, they're advancing that and making it very large. I'm talking about, I think it's millions of acres. It's massive, massive build. Boxfield or county, they didn't stop the project after all the outcry of support from the community and the entire state of Utah, and really the country that was like, what are you guys doing? They're like, it's in the middle of a field. There's nothing there. But the people of Utah don't want that. So why are you doing it? And they continue to fight it. And I checked in yesterday on this project. I talk about it nearly every other week on my show, on my podcast. And it's still going forward. And you're like, how is that possible? Like, who are the people that are supporting this? Where are they at? Where are their voices at? And what is their justification? And then you find out there's like backdoor deals and a whole bunch of drama around it. And bribery. And bribery and everything else. And so even for me in Heber City in Wasatch County, which I think is the best county in Utah, where I live, I'm disconnected from that. But soon you may feel the same. You're like, it doesn't matter because it's down the road or it's across the state or it's in another state. Eventually, because of the scale, the hyperscale of everything we're doing, it could be in your backyard next week. That flock camera that you talk about and you virtue signal about because you're like, yeah, screw flock cameras. It's like it might be at the intersection where you live pointed at your house because they do that. They point them at little girls gymnastics events, which the CEO is catching crap for, which he should. And it's like, what are you guys doing? And then when it does populate, what are you going to do? Well, if you're not prepared, you don't have a plan. You're not integrated in your community because you're just kind of checked out. Well, that's a problem because all your self-reliance that you've outsourced so easily is Speaker 2 (18:32) going to be affected and impacted. So that's the second insight that really struck me in your thesis, which is that technology is not simply a threat because of what it might do to you, what it might compel you to do or prevent you from doing. It's a threat because it weakens you. Yes. Because you become reliant on it. it's like the Google map program, you know, and you just like use that for 10 years and see if you know where you are. Speaker 2 (19:02) And I mentioned this to you before. We were talking about this at breakfast and you're the greatest line ever. You said, after using Google Maps, you'll just like follow the line they give you under a sidewalk. You'll drive to a shopping mall because you're just following it. It says. There's the line there. Speaker 3 (19:16) And it's true. I mean, if you think about it from this perspective, my experience is obviously the military. I was in special operations and I was a sniper at one point. When I was a team sergeant, Had a group full of a team full of like rock stars, right and they were all independently Schooled in sniper operations. They had to go to Special Forces sniper course which used to be called sodic Special operations target interdiction course Delta snipers Special forces snipers Ranger snipers in some cases go to this schoolhouse to be qualified All my guys were qualified, meaning they were very competent in sniper operations. They knew how to use a sniper weapon system. At one point, for some reason, and likely it came top down, I was told, hey, we want to put a camera in your optic. And I was like. For what? Why do you want a camera in the optic? It's like, oh, we want to be able to see it. There's this technology and it integrates into the tactical operations center and we could see it. And then I'm like, yeah, but I'm on comms. So if you think you're going to micromanage my snipers through a camera with communications, there's latency there. And one, it's no, but two. I don't want this to ever happen. I don't want my sniper to second guess his actions because he's being viewed for a viewfinder. And because you don't like something you see, you try to communicate, let's not do that. That latency will get my sniper killed. Like, let's not do that. And then it never happened. But that's an example of how this integration always works. I mean, here's a great example. The healthcare system, right? The healthcare system buy-in is that if you want to get through a difficult circumstance, a bacterial infection, a stomach ache that requires, I don't know, penicillin, you have to go through a process, an entire system. Speaker 3 (21:33) So our grandmothers, our fathers might have taught us about holistic medicine, like independency. That's what it was. Actually, holistic medicine was just a requirement because it was life 100 years ago. You had to be Speaker 2 (21:47) resilient because it was just life, right? There was no pharma. There was Speaker 3 (21:49) no big pharma. There was no big healthcare systems. You had to take care of yourself and your family. You had to figure it out. So when you look at, for example, the healthcare system, I actually just heard this last night flying here. The third leading cause of death, according to this podcast between Huberman and Rogan, which is a great podcast, by the way, it dropped yesterday. That podcast, they talked about a number of how many people were killed because of medical malpractice, died because of medical malpractice in one year. 251,000 people. according to Speaker 2 (22:29) Americans, Americans, a quarter million Americans died in one year because of a quarter million Speaker 3 (22:34) Americans. So according to, again, you guys can look this up according to the statistic they pulled up by John Hopkins. And I'm like, okay. And then I was asking the question in my head, where does that rank in leading causes of death? But that's like a, that's a city. That's a city. That's top three. That's actually the third leading cause of death if it was actually reported, but it's not reported because John Hopkins had to do the independent. survey to look at the statistics. But if you integrate it, it's right behind cardiovascular or basically any cardiovascular disease, which is the main killer in America, and cancer. I think it would be lower respiratory disease would be in the third place slot if it wasn't for 250 plus thousand people dying because of medical malpractice, which is wild, right? Think about the efficiency of the systems we depend on. If you knew that you went into a hospital late at night, and they talked about this, they articulated this, when a doctor has been on shift for 12 hours, which is he's technically drunk when he's on shift for 12 hours. I mean, you can't drive in some cases because you're so impaired. I mean, so he's making decisions, life or death decisions, and 250 plus thousand people, 250, 1,000 people apparently die every year because of it. So again, the institution is meant to protect you in the name of safety, national security, whatever it may be. But the reality is because institutions, I like this idea, men are sinners. Every man is a sinner. We all fall short. When