'Rambo: First Blood Part II' With Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt

The Rewatchables

Bill Simmons and Kyle Brandt rewatch 'Rambo: First Blood Part II' in a nostalgic deep dive, exploring its cultural impact, unintended humor,

Key takeaways

• The film's massive popularity in 1985 made it a cultural touchstone, symbolizing Reagan-era patriotism and action movie excess.
• Despite being an R-rated film with graphic violence, it was marketed to children through toys, cartoons, and Saturday morning programming.

Main topics

• Cultural impact of Rambo in the 1980s
• Rambo as a Cold War symbol

Notable quotes

"I think I would have called the first one Rambo. And I think Stallone wishes he could have gone back."

"It was like, oh, could it be Rambo 2? Could this be the one? And it was."

Conclusion

Rambo: First Blood Part II remains a paradoxical cultural artifact—simul

Transcript preview

Speaker 2 (0:05) The Rewatchables is brought to you by the Ringer Podcast Network. You can't find Kyle Brandt on the Ringer Podcast Network except for here. You can find him on ESPN doing a whole bunch of NFL stuff. The season has started. By the time people hear this, we will know just about everything that has happened in week one. And we're also going to know that our guy, John Rambo, came back for a Rewatchables. And it's coming right after this. This episode of the rewatchables is presented by Mazda. One reason why Mazda was named consumer reports, safest new car brand confidence. Isn't an upgrade. It's a given take the Mazda CX 50 hybrid. It comes standard with a suite of pro active safety features, Mazda move and be moved. Visit Mazda USA.com and discover how confidence comes standard. Consumer reports does not endorse products or services. Visit Mazda USA.com. to learn more. Rambo First Blood Part 2. Do you think they should have called it First Blood 2? What would you have done here? Speaker 1 (1:24) I think I would have called the first one Rambo. And I think Stallone wishes he could have gone back. All for him, it's about the branding. I got Rocky. I'm going to get to Cobra. And I should have gone back and named it after my character so I can own more of it and we can run with this. This is Rambo 2. First Blood should have just been called Rambo. Speaker 2 (1:43) Yeah, I think I agree. Well, it's impossible to explain. How huge this movie was in 1985. This was an absolute, it was a top three movie of the year. It was a Reagan era, wet dream action movie. Reagan talked about it. He made Rambo a character. It then became a political football for the conservatives and liberals. It became an avatar for a cold war America. And more importantly, for our purposes, Arnold versus Sly. It was on starting in 1985 because Arnold had commando. And we were off. This is our bird versus magic for action movie heroes. Speaker 1 (2:20) It's also one of the more hilarious Vietnam movies. You don't see a lot of funny Vietnam movies. I found myself on the rewatch bill. I was laughing at some parts I think you're supposed to, and then some parts you're definitely not supposed to. I loved it so much as a kid. It's one of these where I taped it off of cable onto a VHS tape and put the piece of masking tape on the back and just wrote Rambo 2. Yeah, I did Speaker 2 (2:43) too. Speaker 1 (2:43) I get home from school and I get a snack and I put in Rambo 2. And I get home from school and I put a snack for like weeks. And I remember I thought it was badass. Now as an adult, I was so entertained by the comedy of it and just Stallone being a thousand out of 10 Stallone in this movie. It's like he's never gone for it more. He's never been more ripped. He's never done more of a caricature of himself without knowing that he's doing it. I smiled through the whole thing. Speaker 2 (3:10) The unintentional comedy factor of this movie has gone up each year, starting in about 1995. I felt the same way. I was openly laughing during a lot of the scenes. I have a backstory with this movie. Let's hear it. HBO, every once in a while in the mid-80s, would have these movies on the schedule, but they wouldn't tell you what it was. It would be like, and you would get the little HBO guide every year. Speaker 1 (3:35) Yeah. Speaker 2 (3:36) Or you could see in your cable guide. And it was just like a mystery movie. And the biggest one they did for this was Christmas Eve, 1985 Ghostbusters. Yeah. Where they was just like, we have a Christmas present for you. It's like, you do? What is it? And then it was Ghostbusters. And this is an era where it was the movie would come out. It would be in the theaters forever. Then it would move to home video and home video starting to take off here. And that would take forever. And it would just never be on cable. Some of the bigger movies, it would take over a year. So Rambo. On July 4th, 1986, they're like, we have a surprise for you on July 4th. And me and my friends were all like, it's going to be Rambo. It's going to be Rambo 2. This is what it's going to be. But we didn't know for sure. And then they start. You see the HBO logo. They do the whole thing, the little preview. And then it goes right into the music. And it's like, Speaker 1 (4:30) yeah! By the way, Speaker 2 (4:32) no girlfriend for me in 1986, just for the record. But yeah, super exciting. But that's how big this movie was. It was like, oh, could it be Rambo 2? Could this be the one? And it was. Speaker 1 (4:44) Now they would just set up an octagon on the White House lawn and that would be the present too, you know? But to the young people, kids, I know we'll get into this. It's the strangest dynamic where this is a hard R movie with merciless killings and a huge body count. Speaker 1 (5:04) toys, cartoons. There was a Rambo big wheel that the kids would kill for. And if someone on your block had the Rambo big wheel out of control, the knife was super popular and not for like Transformers or something. It was this R-rated movie where he just kills an entire jungle full of people, but they still put it to the kids. And Speaker 2 (5:24) it felt like it modernized action movies too. I do feel like there's a before and after with this movie and Commando, which we talked about a little when we did Commando. But you go before this, we're in the Dirty Harry era. We're in, you know, the Warriors. There was like one-off action movies, but there weren't like superheroes like this. Dirty Harry was probably the closest. Speaker 1 (5:44) Dirty Harry and this movie are not in the same solar system. They look so different. They feel so different. It's not. Here's the thing about this movie too. First Blood is rocky. This is Rocky IV. We're just going to give you sugar. Yeah, fuck it, dude. No vegetables. We're going to blow some shit up. We're going to be ripped as hell. This is just going to be really fun. I remember back in the day, you used to say that First Blood was about something. It had some really powerful loaded messages. It's a good Vietnam movie. It's Speaker 2 (6:17) a Speaker 1 (6:17) great Vietnam movie. And there's the part at the end of the movie where Sly's like... I used to operate million dollar machinery. Now I can't even get a job parking cars. And you're like, yeah, I felt that. Yeah. Now he's just walking. He's like, where's Murdoch? It's, it's not the same substance. Speaker 2 (6:33) No. Um, you, well, you mentioned out of all those things, there was a Rambo kids cartoon, which I had forgotten about that you sent this morning. Did that, I tried it. There wasn't a lot of research on that one, but I guess, I guess it did run. It was a very strange era for cartoons where they would just take any movie and try to make a cartoon out of it for a couple years. This is particularly nuts, though, because this is like a traumatized Vietnam War veteran who's just trying to kill everybody, and they're like, hey, the kids might like this. Let's put this on Speaker 1 (7:04) Saturdays. Saturday morning, we'll do some breakfast cereal, do some Sunny D, and I would treat yourself, if you're a Rambo fan, to find the trailer for this cartoon. Yeah. Because it's Rambo. skiing on a wintry mountaintop while he shoots people. He's driving a race car like in a Grand Prix. They're trying to make him into some sort of like Speed Racer James Bond superhero. Speaker 2 (7:26) But Speaker 1 (7:27) all roads back then were leading to Saturday morning cartoons, including Karate Kid. Bill and Ted had a Saturday morning cartoon a few years later. You had to do it because we were all watching. Speaker 2 (7:36) Ghostbusters. Yeah. Oh, a couple. There's one part in the Rambo cartoon trailer where. He's skiing, I think with a machine gun. And it's just like, this is amazing. I can't believe I missed this. So 1984, 1985, the Cold War pop culture heyday. This is it. Like war games and the day after were 83. 84, really starting with the Summer Olympics where the cowards, the Russians didn't show up. Speaker 1 (8:03) And we Speaker 2 (8:03) just dominated everything. And it was like a big, hey, look at all the gold medals we're winning. August 1984, right after the Summer Olympics, Red Dawn. Speaker 1 (8:12) Let's go. Speaker 2 (8:14) Which we have not done yet on the rewatchables. I know you've been in the bullpen warming up for a couple years. Speaker 1 (8:19) Wolverines. Listen, one of the most haunting shots in all of 80s cinema is the classroom as the parachutes start to fall down. It's chilling to this day. And you get Swayze and C. Thomas and Sheen and they're arming up and screaming about their high school football team. I love it. Speaker 2 (8:32) We still don't understand why the Russians were so determined to take over obscure parts of America over actual cities. Yeah. Once we get Montana, we Speaker 1 (8:41) can get the rest. New Speaker 2 (8:42) York, D Speaker 1 (8:42) .C., we must take Cheyenne. Speaker 2 (8:44) Right. So. We have that. We have Tom Clancy releases hunt from red October and October, 1984, which was a massive hit and was like, what's the movie going to be? March 85. Iron chic, Nikolai Volkov tag team title champs at WrestleMania. Um, they would each play the national anthem for each other and stand at attention. They would do the Iranian national anthem. Then Volkov, he would sing, he would get furious when the people boot him. So that happened. Rambo 2 is May 1985. June 1985, Sting. First solo album, Post Police, releases his song, The Russians. It's called Russians, but it's about the Russians. Do they love their children too? It's like, oh, Sting, getting poetic about the Cold War. November 85, Rocky IV. And then everything peaks December 30th, 1985. Hulk Hogan comes out at MSG. First match against Macho Man Randy Savage comes out to Real American. The song that they made capitalizing on all this shit where they dump Eye of the Tiger from Survivor and create this new song. They do the video. He's holding the flag. When the dome's Speaker 1 (9:57) crashing down and it hurts inside. He's Speaker 2 (10:00) waving the flag. And Newsweek. There's Newsweek. Oh my God, that's awesome. Yeah, Sly. Speaker 2 (10:11) So, yeah, this is just where we were. It was Reagan telling everybody we're going to blow away all of our enemies. There's the conservative liberal thing, which we did not have the internet really to capture at that point. But Reaganomics, we're just basically like, we are going to defend ourselves at all costs. And then Rambo becomes the avatar for all of this. Speaker 1 (10:36) 100%. And I think nobody went harder on this than Sly. Yeah, he loved it. Speaker 2 (10:41) The poster Speaker 1 (10:41) of Rambo with the bazooka killing Russians would get like a big fuck yeah from you back then. And then Sly doubles down. He's like, I'm going to box an unbeatable Soviet who's on steroids in Russia because I'm not afraid. And at the end of the movie, the Gorbachev guy is going to stand up and clap because I say if you can change, we can change. Like Sly was on this shit and he felt it and nobody did more of it. Speaker 2 (11:08) And by the way, as we've discussed in the Rocky IV Rewatchables, might have ended the Cold War. Speaker 1 (11:12) For Speaker 2 (11:13) all we know, it was really never the same. Slides out of Zenith here. So 82 to 85, he's got Rocky III and First Blood, same year in 1982. 83, Direct Staying Alive, which is considered a bomb, but was the eighth biggest movie of 1983. What was a bomb was next year, Rhinestone with Dolly Parton and Sly. Rest in peace. First time in a couple years, Sly took one on the chin. Just wasn't good. It's a pretty legendary bomb, but it does lead to Sly saying, all right. I'll just double down on Rambo and Rocky and I'm going to do Rambo two and Rocky four in the span of six months. And then the success of these movies, because back to the future is the number one movie makes 212 million 85 Rambo is second at 150 million. Rocky four is the only other a hundred million dollar movie at one 27. Speaker 1 (12:06) And Speaker 2 (12:06) those two events lead to, uh, our beloved Cobra. As we covered in the Cobra Rewatchables and Sly eating pizza by cutting it with scissors because he has now flown too close to the sun. Speaker 1 (12:19) He takes frozen pizza out of the freezer, which you can't eat frozen, cuts it with scissors and eats it. And I always love the timing of it because you can see the businessman in Sly. He's thinking, I got my soldier. I got my boxer. Now I'm going to introduce my cop. I need a cop who goes against the rules and plays by his own set of identity. This is Cobra. And then Cobra didn't work like they needed it to. But this was, there was supposed to be Cobra 4, Cobra 5, Speaker 2 (12:47) everything. Toothpick. Speaker 1 (12:49) Sunglasses. Speaker 2 (12:52) Monosyllabic. I think this might have been an all-time apex mountaineer. Speaker 1 (12:58) Let's talk about, I was trying Speaker 2 (12:59) to, I was trying to think of other actors that, you know, Tom Cruise had the first mission impossible and Jerry Maguire together in 96. Speaker 1 (13:07) And Speaker 2 (13:07) it just felt like both of those were hits and he couldn't do anything. So we had this a couple of times, but to have two of the top three movies in a year where there's three massive successes in a year and you have two of the three and you're the star and it's all you and you're doing basically two different variations of yourself, but you're also. Speaker 2 (13:27) shirtless or just ripped your training. There's close-ups of your oiled muscles as you're putting on your headband. In Rocky IV, there's just entire scenes of him training sequences. The movie, there's no dialogue for 15 minutes in Rocky IV. He just kind of figured out the MTV era and where he fit in with the Cold War and everything else. Speaker 1 (13:51) And people will be like, oh, I love the Rocky IV training montage. And I'm always like, Which one? There's two. Speaker 2 (13:57) They go Speaker 1 (13:57) back to back. There's two of them. I remember when we did Cliffhanger, you had a list of Sly was on record of the movies that he was in the best shape for. And he said Rocky III, and then he said Cliffhanger, and he said Rocky IV. And so this one, no, he said Rambo III, rather. Rambo III, Rocky IV. Not this one. Can you imagine how he looks in this movie? And it's like not in his top three. I was in the best shape Speaker 2 (14:25) ever. Absurd. It's like Tom Brady's best NFL seasons and like ones that win the Super Bowl aren't even on his top four. He did eight months of training for four hours a day, took SWAT combat, archery classes, survival courses. And I think this is the most ripped he's looked in a movie. I don't know. You're a bigger weightlifter guy than me. What was his most ripped? What was his physique apex? Is it here? Is it Rocky IV? What is it? Speaker 1 (14:53) There's a shot when he gets in the ring with Drago where Duke takes off his robe and you drop your drink because he's oiled. And he's like, I don't even know where his organs are in there. He's so cut. But they got him in there somehow because he's supposed to be in Siberia training with Halofs and shit like that for months. So it's insane to me that I could look at this movie Rambo II and be like, eh. Little flabby for Sly. I've seen him better. It's insane, but I'm still there. Speaker 2 (15:24) Well, the steroids also weren't as good in 1985 because you can see from all the wrestlers and the football players, it would make your neck bigger. It kind of would just put water in your body. So you seemed a little bloated, but he doesn't seem bloated at all. He seems like what it would look like now. So he must have had the best stuff back then. Speaker 1 (15:42) He had the best stuff. And I really do think he was a maniacal worker. Like I really do. And here's the thing about... One of my takeaways from watching this movie, Sly's vice is vanity. Like, Sly loves looking good on camera. He always wants to look hot. And I don't think Schwarzenegger had the same thing. Schwarzenegger was posing as an athlete. But, dude, in this movie, he's getting tortured and he looks sexy. Like, they're pulling him out of the shit thing with the leeches on him. Like, he's still eye-fucking the camera the whole time. Like, he always wants to look attractive. And Arnold wouldn't be like that. But Sly's like, no, I want the ladies to be all over me. And the camera shoots him beautifully. Speaker 2 (16:21) Well, Arnold would got that fixed from his bodybuilding competition. Sly never really had the same. Unfortunately, it didn't help with Speaker 1 (16:32) his performance. And I'm almost wondering, we have the Speaker 2 (16:35) overacting award that we do, that we keep adding names to. Speaker 1 (16:41) This is a borderline Rambo 2 underacting award. Okay. Speaker 2 (16:45) He's monosyllabic. He's just mailing in scenes. The second scene when he comes in, when he meets Martin Cove, a.k.a. John Kreese and Murdoch, Cove's talking to him like he's, Rambo's not even saying lines and he's just doing one word answers. He's saying everything like this. I guess it was a choice. I don't really fully understand it. What did you make of that? Speaker 1 (17:09) Could not agree with you more. I have written down the Sly Stallone underacting award. At one point, he's trying to hit real dialogue. Yeah. And he's like. Something the mind is the strongest weapon and you got to be like cut. Yeah You got to do something. That's more. I you got to do something and then he gets to Cobra and does even less Right, you can barely hear him. And so it's like I know what you're going for but juice it up a fucking little bit here sly But no one would say that Speaker 2 (17:39) well because we know it's a choice because you see him in tango and chess Tango and Cash three years later. He's Speaker 1 (17:44) like, Speaker 2 (17:45) hey, whoa! He's like doing like the Speaker 1 (17:47) over Speaker 2 (17:48) -the Speaker 1 (17:49) -top stuff. Speaker 2 (17:50) No, so he's, I mean, there's a hilarious scene when he's with Coe, played by Julia Nixon. His very cute female, I guess, accomplice during this whole thing. And all of a sudden, it's a rom-com scene for like three minutes. He's like, so where are you from? It's like, what's happening? You've said 10 words for the entire movie. Now it's like, so what are your parents like? Speaker 2 (18:14) Stallone ranked his preference of Rambo films in the Graham Norton show. Yeah. Speaker 1 (18:20) Give me it. Speaker 2 (18:21) He ranked this one fourth. He said it was his least favorite and he said it was Speaker 1 (18:24) like a cartoon. Speaker 2 (18:27) This is your fault, Sly Stallone. Speaker 1 (18:29) You did Speaker 2 (18:29) every aspect of this. They even hired the director, George P. Cosmatos, who also did Cobra a year later. Stallone would just famously bully the guy out and do all the directing himself. I think he also kind of did that for, he directed Rocky IV too. These were all Stallone's choices. I don't know why he's, and this movie was a phenomenon. I don't know why he's embarrassed of it. Rambo III and Rambo IV, I don't really acknowledge, do you? Speaker 1 (18:56) No, of course not. No, Rambo 3 was... Rambo 3, Troutman gets kidnapped. Get the fuck out of here. We're doing too much with that. First Blood's obviously awesome. I love it. It's dark. There's cops. There's great actors. There's real drama on the stakes. But this movie is just like a big fucking ice cream sundae with some heavy metal on in the background. How do you not like this movie? It kicks ass. Speaker 2 (19:18) And it was a massive success for him. Speaker 1 (19:20) It was Speaker 2 (19:20) weird to see him kind of distance himself from it. I have some questions about what we should have done with the sequels after. Quickly, some supporting cast members. Richard Crenna. His 1985 was Rambo First Blood Part 2. This is coming off Flamingo Kid the year before, by the way. Rambo 2. Summer Rental with John Candy. Speaker 1 (19:40) Love that movie. Speaker 2 (19:41) And a TV movie called The Rape of Richard Beck, where he played Richard Beck. Speaker 2 (19:47) Yeah. I'm confused. It's a movie about a cop who gets sexually assaulted by a criminal and he's Richard Beck. And I would at some point this weekend recommend watching the trailer of the TV movie. You have seen the rape Speaker 1 (20:02) of Richard Beck. I saw the trailer Speaker 2 (20:04) on YouTube because I was like, what is this? And yeah, it's, that's the movie. This is, you know, a lot of social issues happening in the eighties, including. So anyway, those are his three movies. He's Troutman, Richard Beck, and Al Pellett in Summer Rental. Speaker 1 (20:21) The problem is when I see Richard Beck getting sexually assaulted, I just picture him in the beret. He always has that beret on. Speaker 2 (20:29) I didn't see the movie, so maybe that's what happened. He's used perfectly here. It's a lot of like, we're going to need Kyle Brandt for that Monday show. Well, don't forget one thing. What? A Bills jersey. Speaker 2 (20:46) He's just karaoke. He's Troutman karaoke in this movie. I kind of enjoy it, I gotta say. Speaker 1 (20:52) I have some Troutman thoughts slightly later, but I will jump in to say that Sly loves the older Sage. He vouches for his crazy character and it's kind of the Sly whisper. Obviously you had Mick and then you have Duke and you have Troutman here. And in Cobra, we get that guy who, when they're outside the grocery store, And he's like, he's all buried in there. We can't get to him. Then there's Speaker 2 (21:16) a Speaker 1 (21:16) pause. He's like, bring in the Cobra. You're like, fuck yeah! And the guy's like, don't worry, Cobra. I'll keep the commissioner breathing down my neck. I'll handle him for you. There's always a guy who's like, just let this genius work. He repeats that thing over and over. And I don't think anybody does it better than Troutman. Speaker 2 (21:32) It's like his own Ernie Adams. Yes. So we have Richard Crenna. We have Martin Kove playing Erickson. Martin Kove. Doesn't get enough credit for being in two top five box office smashes, back-to-back years. Karate Kid is Kreese, and then Erickson in this movie. Do you want to compare and contrast Kreese and Erickson? Is there any difference at all between those two people? Speaker 1 (21:54) Let me tell you something, Bill. There's no Erickson. It's just Kreese. Kreese showed up. He's opening a dojo in Thailand. He has an alias. It's fucking Kreese. He shows up in this movie. He's got on a sleeveless getup. He's got a vest. His little button with a frowny face on it. And he has a massive revolver that's holstered in his vest. You just don't see it much. And it's that same beautiful center parted crease, blow dried hair. It's crease. It's strike hard, strike first, no mercy crease. Speaker 2 (22:24) He looks exactly the same. I know. He looks great. It's pretty funny. Well, you have him and you have Charles Napier as Murdoch, Marshall Murdoch, who... I got to say, if you're just putting Speaker 1 (22:37) a Mount Rushmore Speaker 2 (22:38) for that guy's... It's Speaker 1 (22:39) beautiful. Speaker 2 (22:40) He's the security guard in Silence of the Lambs who gets killed by Lecter. Speaker 2 (22:53) He's that guy. And he does like one of the great screams. He's the judge in Philadelphia. Speaker 1 (23:01) We Speaker 2 (23:02) don't live in this courtroom, do we, Your Honor? He's Blues Brothers country and western singer who ends up trying to chase down the Blues Brothers and drives his bus into the water. And then he's Murdoch and Rambo. That's about as good of a that guy Mount Rushmore as you're getting. Speaker 1 (23:18) I always think of those fan conventions where the actors show up and behind them they have like the posters of the movies that they've done so they can sign headshots. His posters would be really cool. Yeah, I don't even know what I'd want him to sign. I honestly, I probably want lambs. I Speaker 2 (23:34) think it's silence. Yeah. Speaker 1 (23:35) Dude, I was Googling this morning. I was like, now was Napier the guy who Lecter crucifies or gets his face cut off? He's the crucified guy who gets his gut split out. Yeah, Speaker 2 (23:46) that's him. Shouldn't have given him that second veal dinner. I call him Chuck Napier. He's been in my life for so long. Speaker 1 (23:52) Absolutely great. And Speaker 2 (23:53) then another that guy, we have that guy off because Steven Berkoff's in this, aka Victor Maitland from Beverly Hills Cop. In 83, 84, 85, he's the villain in Octopussy. He's the villain in Beverly Hills Cop 2. And he's the villain in Rambo 2, playing a Russian. He's got different accents in each movie. And he's just, you see him and you know he's a bad guy. There's no, there was no. Apparently a famous English actor from the 60s and 70s, really well-accomplished stage actor, who then just was like, fuck it, I'm going to be a bad guy in the mid-80s. He's English? Speaker 1 (24:24) Give me some Speaker 2 (24:24) parts. Yeah. Speaker 1 (24:25) I figured he was just an Eastern European or Russian or something. No, just Speaker 2 (24:28) has an Eastern European face. Speaker 1 (24:30) The block, the corner that he was on for a long time, 10 years after this movie, was taken by the guy who's the bad guy in The Saint. Remember that guy who plays a Russian in every single movie and he's an eyes wide shut with the costume shop. He would have played that role if this movie 10 years later. Yeah. Speaker 2 (24:45) I don't know who that guy is now, but, uh, Berkoff, I mean, Victor Maitland is his, is that, that's one of the great villains just staring him down. I love that guy. Uh, then we have Julia Nixon as the accomplice. Um, Speaker 2 (25:01) I don't know, her and Charlotte Lewis from Golden Child, two mid-80s babes that just, this was sadly their peaks. And I don't know what we did wrong. I don't know why we didn't have more Julia. Speaker 1 (25:11) There's a part in Golden Child where Eddie Murphy is having a dream sequence and he comes across her and she's like coming on to him and she's all hot. And she's like, can we spend Speaker 2 (25:19) some more time together? Speaker 1 (25:20) And Jesus, as a nine-year-old, that fucked me up. She's so, so hot. Julia Speaker 2 (25:24) Nixon, long career. Her IMDb, like a lot of TV shows. Kind of like the fourth or fifth lead in a couple shows. A lot of like CSIs. Didn't Speaker 1 (25:32) you Speaker 2 (25:32) check it Speaker 1 (25:32) and you're like, wow, Julius. Yeah, it was good. I didn't know. I wasn't familiar with your game. Speaker 2 (25:37) Right. So like a 40-year career. But I think she's good at this. And then most important. Speaker 2 (25:47) Indoor Speaker 1 (25:47) aviator guy. Indoor aviators guy. What do you mean? Explain by that. I know what you mean. What are you talking about? So Speaker 2 (25:55) apparently he plays the character Lifer. So you have Murdoch and you have Kreese. And then you have this third guy who's wearing sunglasses indoors. Who's got like a, I don't know. I don't even know how to describe his outfit. He's got like a thin Miami vice beard and thinning blonde hair in the back. Barely has any lines. He's the one who, when Rambo's jumping out of the plane, Rambo can't get out. He's trying to help him. He's played by Steve Williams. Do you want to guess how many other IMDb credits Steve Williams had? Speaker 1 (26:26) Just tell the people because I already looked. It's unbelievable. Speaker 2 (26:30) This is it. This is his only one. He's