Amazon Is Photographing Your House + the iPhone Photo Hack

The Kim Komando Show

This episode examines the expanding reach of AI surveillance and corporate data practices, highlighting how Amazon drivers are using smart glasses to photograph homes while Facebook

Key takeaways

• Amazon Prime drivers are equipped with smart AI glasses that photograph properties during deliveries, feeding data into a mapping system called Wellspring without user opt-out options.
• A New Mexico jury found Facebook liable for over 43 million false privacy statements, potentially triggering a $219 billion fine based on statutory damages per violation.

Main topics

• AI surveillance and privacy risks
• Tech industry leadership and AI safety accords

Notable quotes

"Everything has a camera on it."

Conclusion

Listeners gain practical awareness of how AI and corporate data practi

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) In Dallas, the city put AI cameras from a company called CityDetect on its garbage trucks. And on every pickup, they photograph homes and flag possible code violations. Who would have ever thought that there was a garbage truck? Speaker 6 (0:13) It's Speaker 1 (0:14) everything. Speaker 6 (0:14) Everything has a camera on it. All Speaker 1 (0:16) right, Speaker 6 (0:16) let's talk about Amazon. They are now wearing, the drivers are now wearing smart AI glasses. Once they're on my property, photography is illegal. They are snapping Speaker 1 (0:27) pictures. And it's probably somewhere in the terms of conditions that nobody ever reads of your Amazon delivery that they can take pictures and do what they want of it. You're probably right. You can't opt out. Matter of fact, an executive for Amazon said, we never thought about that. Speaker 1 (0:49) All right, I have a little bit of an ask here. And so let's talk about it. You know, wherever you get your podcasts, you can get the Kim Commando show. See, here's what happens. You have all these algorithms that are controlling podcasts. You know how many podcasts are out there right now? Like 4 million podcasts. 4 million. It's not so. So wherever you get your podcast, the algorithms will kind of determine what podcast to show to other people. Now, the algorithms are based on positive reviews and traffic. They feel like, oh, if you like this, then somebody else will like this. So that's why. You hear me say, please, please, please, just wherever you get your podcast, just leave a nice five-star review. Say some good words because, again, that helps trick the algorithms and then more people will know about the Kim Commando Show podcast, which is exactly what we need. Speaker 1 (1:39) So there's a particular sound that I love more than Speaker 6 (1:42) any other sound. Cha-ching! Speaker 6 (1:45) Oh, I knew it. Look at that. I called it. How did you know that? I've known you for Speaker 1 (1:50) 25 years. Well, that sound could be coming from your phone this week. And it's from Amazon. And it's directly for you. It's not a gift card. It's not a coupon. We're talking about hard, cold cash. How do I get it? Coming into your PayPal, Venmo, or mailbox. Here's what happened. Amazon, for many years, made it extremely difficult for anybody to cancel their Prime membership. Speaker 3 (2:13) Are you shocked? I never attempted to cancel, so I didn't know what Speaker 6 (2:17) hoops I had to go through. So Amazon had to spend Speaker 1 (2:19) $2.5 billion to settle this. Okay. So the refunds initially were small, like $50 or less. Okay. But now big money's coming. But there's a clock on the money, and if you miss one step, then it just disappears. So I have how much you could get, how to know if it's really yours, and the mistake that will make it vanish. Okay, the number. Up to 200 bucks. That's not bad. That's right. So if you had Prime in the United States between June of 2019 and June of 2025, you had all these sneaky screens and you tried to cancel, you got stuck. And so Amazon is now sending more money to everybody. So that's why it can't go into your Amazon account because you canceled Amazon. So that's why it needs to go to Venmo or PayPal. Now, the FTC is not calling or texting anyone about this. So in case you get a phone call that says, hey, I'm here to help you get your Amazon money back. Scam. You know, speaking of, how many subscriptions do you think Speaker 6 (3:17) you have that you have forgotten about? Well, what's funny Speaker 3 (3:19) is you bring up Amazon, is that I have Amazon Prime, and Lisa has Amazon Prime. So now you just need one. Right. And we talk about it every single month when we talk about money. We go, oh, we got to cancel that other Amazon, and then we never do it. Speaker 6 (3:32) You know, Barry and I have it too. We have different Amazon accounts. But Speaker 3 (3:35) do you argue about happening too or is it that intentional? Speaker 1 (3:40) Well, he likes to have his own Amazon account Speaker 6 (3:42) because he thinks that I'm going to snoop on everything that he buys. Well, you would. So, yeah. That's a good $11 a month that he's spending or however much it is. So think about this. Amazon's finally delivering something that you didn't order. Speaker 1 (3:55) No, finally. And that I want. A refund. Yay. Some money. And on that happy note, welcome, ladies and gentlemen. It's called the Kim Commando Show because after all, quite the quinky dinky. I'm America's beloved digital goddess, Kim Commando, here with you once again. It's the nation's largest, best, highest rated show about all things digital. And of course, joining me is Andrew Babinski. And you can find us streaming in your favorite radio app. as a podcast or wow on YouTube. YouTube Speaker 3 (4:20) .com slash Kim Commando where people should go right now and subscribe and like and comment and share the whole show. We have all these cameras. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight cameras. Don't make them go to waste. I spent like a couple hundred thousand dollars Speaker 6 (4:35) on lighting too. Exactly. Go to YouTube.com slash Kim Commando and subscribe. I wasn't invited to this lunch. Speaker 1 (4:42) And I was the lunch at the White House. Why not? Musk Zuckerberg. Speaker 1 (4:49) Bezos, Google's Pichai, Microsoft Nadella, Nvidia's Jason Hung, Anthropix's Dario Amadei, all at the White House this past week. So I did the math. This lunch Speaker 6 (5:02) sounds like we, as the consumer, are about to be screwed. Speaker 1 (5:08) Okay, listen to this. I have this chart. See this chart? Yes. Because I was just curious. How much are everybody around this table worth? Including the president. Well, let's not say the president. Let's just say, so you have, you want me to give you the names again? Sure. And I'll do the math in my head. Okay. Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Jensen Hound, Dario Mode, Sundar Pichai, Satya Nadella. Speaker 6 (5:35) I'm going to say $795 Speaker 3 (5:37) billion. Speaker 6 (5:39) Not even close? $1.6 trillion sitting around that table. That's kind of close. Only a billion off. What do you serve for lunch? Speaker 1 (5:48) Yeah, whatever you want, I guess. I don't know. You know, I was at the Four Seasons in Lanai. And before you look at me like, oh, of course you are. Oh, of course you are. Okay. But I went, they have a sushi restaurant there. And the chef came out and he said, Kim, I know who you are and I will make you whatever you want. I'm like, I don't know what to ask for. So you said cheeseburger? Exactly. And he said, well, last week I served lunch to Elon Musk and Larry Ellison from Oracle. Okay. And he said, how about if I serve you what I serve them? And I thought, well, if it's good enough for them. Right. It's good enough for me. I had, he called it the trillionaire's sushi taco. Oh. It was so good. It had like lobster and octopus and tuna, and it was really good. So anyway, but on this menu was a one-page pledge on the White House accord on super intelligence. Okay. Because remember, it's not artificial intelligence anymore. It's super duper intelligence. AI is now SI. Because they're all trying to make sure that AI doesn't kill us. Oh my gosh. So Speaker 6 (6:57) guess what they found out? That it's not going to kill us? They came up with a solution. Unplug it? Speaker 1 (7:04) No. Please tell me it's unplug it. They're going to check each other's AI with internal controls and outside audits. They haven't been already doing this? So Elon Musk put it in everybody's terms. Basically, he says, we're going to be grading each other's homework. That's a good idea. I think it's a great idea. Great idea. Meanwhile, Bill Gates, I'm no fan, as you know. Can we Speaker 3 (7:26) go back to that for a second, Speaker 1 (7:27) though? Speaker 3 (7:27) Because this is going to set up where at some point one of the company A is going to grade company B and then steal a bunch of information. And then company C is going to see the company A stole from B and steal from A and B. And then they're not going to show each other exactly what they have. And it's just going to be a bunch of lawsuits. Of course there will. Or they're going to, like you just said, they're going to safeguard everything so the internal audit or external audit won't be an audit Speaker 6 (7:55) at all. I mean, do you think if you had a competitor Speaker 1 (7:57) that you would show them all your internal secrets and workings? No, absolutely not. I don't think it's really going to work. It's not going to happen. Can I talk about Bill Gates now? Speaker 3 (8:06) Sure, sure. Not Speaker 1 (8:07) a fan. Okay. He was on Meet the Press and he said, AI is going to kill 1 billion of us. 1 billion people. Where is he getting this from? Well, he also talked about how the internet would be a free flow wave of information that would be 100 % correct. Oh, well, he's wrong. And that spam would be eradicated. When? And there would be climate change that would destroy the planet. Okay. And you'd never need more than 640K Speaker 6 (8:35) in any computer. I still want to know where he got the one billion number because it sounds scary. I don't know. Maybe you had something to do with Jeffrey Speaker 1 (8:42) Epstein. Oh, Speaker 6 (8:43) we're not supposed to go there. I'm sorry. That's a reason not to like him. Yes, Speaker 1 (8:48) exactly. So what do you want to do? I was on the air today on a sports show, Speaker 6 (8:52) and they said, you know, what do we do? Wait a minute. Speaker 3 (8:55) Timeout. Yes. Or I'll do the sports. Timeout. Touch my shoulders. That's how you call timeout in basketball. Speaker 7 (9:00) Yes. Speaker 3 (9:00) What were you doing on a sports show? Speaker 6 (9:03) Well, we were talking about all Speaker 1 (9:04) the picks for fantasy football. I don't know what I was doing on a sports talk show. Who Speaker 3 (9:10) in this building booked Speaker 6 (9:12) you on a sports show? They actually called me. To talk about technology and sports? Artificial intelligence. Okay. Whether or not it was going to kill us. Speaker 3 (9:22) That's what they wanted to talk about. That's interesting. And you scared them and told them it was. And then now they're running wild and selling all their personal possessions to go live in the middle of the desert. Not Speaker 6 (9:32) exactly, but close. Okay. Okay. No, Speaker 1 (9:35) we talked about how you can safeguard yourself. Like you need a family code word. Make sure you have two-factor authentication. Authenticator apps always turned on. In addition to that, you might want to have some supplies, medicine if it's really important for you, things like that. Okay. So it was actually pretty good. Let's talk about Facebook. A jury says that Facebook has lied to us. I'm going to read the exact number. 43,899,725 times. Facebook the company? Yes. A New Mexico jury found Facebook made false and misleading statements. How it collected... and protected and shared used people's personal information. I don't know about you, but I am personally shocked. Oh Speaker 6 (10:17) my gosh. They did this? A tech company did this? It goes back to Cambridge Speaker 1 (10:22) Analytica and all those, what kind of dog are you personality, you know, surveys and quizzes that they would do. Now the state wants the max, it could top $219 billion, $5,000 per violation. So New Mexico has about 2 million people. So I did the math. That's more than $100,000 for every man, woman, and child in the state. Wow. That's only in New Mexico. So you might be saying, which I did, why New Mexico? Why not us? Exactly. Come on West. Because every other state settled, but the state of New Mexico is the only one who said, I Speaker 6 (11:00) am going to take you guys to court. Are they really going to give every citizen $100,000 in New Mexico? If they get the 219. billion dollars wow isn't that something that would have to be the most successful lawsuit in the history of mankind makes me want to move to albuquerque well it's too late now oh yeah it's not gonna all the newbies aren't gonna get it i'd go to santa fe anyway they didn't lie to you what does the p stand for in facebook there's no p in facebook privacy oh there's still no p in facebook Speaker 1 (11:30) So your teenager opens TikTok at midnight. No, that's about normal. Yeah. But instead of seeing TikTok, it says, no, sorry. Good. Can't do that. Go to bed. In Alabama, two hours a day max for TikTok. Locked out from midnight to 6 a.m. A forced break after 15 minutes of scrolling. And again at 60 and 90, the addictive For You page gets switched off and beauty filters are gone for children. Speaker 3 (11:57) Here's the thing. Whoever made these rules knows nothing about teenagers. How is it really going to happen? Well, first of all, they have 16 accounts. It doesn't matter. 16 accounts? They do. Four of them, they're 23 years old. Five of them, they're in their 60s. It doesn't matter. Amelia posted something from the softball tournament this weekend, and I liked it. And she came in the house and she was like, oh, also my radio station liked it as well. Oh, okay. That was good. Yeah. And so she was like, oh, I'm famous because K-E-Z liked me on Instagram. And her mom goes, I didn't see the video. What video are you talking about? Oh, it's on my account. She goes, your account is not there. Oh, no, no, no, no. It's on my other account. Speaker 6 (12:42) They all have multiple accounts. So it's no longer used to like when Ian had like a Finsta. No, no, they just have multiple accounts. It Speaker 3 (12:50) doesn't matter. And it's none of these, every rule you just read off, they're just going to change their age. I'm not going to say who, but there's a teenager I know that wanted Apple pay because they wanted to be able to, because we won't give her, I mean, there are people in charge of her won't give her a credit Speaker 6 (13:04) card. Speaker 3 (13:06) Not that I'm related to her or Speaker 6 (13:08) I, I pay some of her Speaker 3 (13:09) bills. And, uh, She can't have it because her Apple account says that she's 16 years old and you have to be 18 to sign up for Apple Pay. It took her four seconds to Google how to change your birthday. Speaker 6 (13:25) That's it. Done. All Speaker 1 (13:27) right. Let me ask you this question. Listen to the sound and see if you can tell me exactly where it comes from. Okay. My eyes are closed so I can focus. Speaker 1 (13:44) Now, do you remember a thing from the Addams Family? Of course. That little hand. You didn't even let me guess. That lived in a box. You knew what it was because I could tell. Yeah. It was the Addams Family. Okay, so now we have a real life cousin. ETH Zurich Soft Robotics Lab have turned a store-bought robotic hand that costs around $16,000 into a hand that walks on its fingertips. Right. And it's supposed to be like a helper? It is because instead of sending like a whole robot behind a server in order to like fix the cables, you can just have like this little hand go down and then go up the wall and pull out the cables and do things like that. I see Speaker 6 (14:25) it now. This is what's going to kill us. There's going to be a billion of these hand robots and they're going to choke us while we sleep. It taught Speaker 1 (14:32) itself, by the way, it taught itself how to crawl across 14 different services, tile, gravel. If you knock it over, it flips itself back up. It can even press keyboard keys. Okay. Speaker 3 (14:47) I get it. You said keyboard keys and you had a dramatic pause. Now it's going to start typing stuff and writing us emails. I get it. But it didn't teach itself. This is the issue that I have. Using AI, it says that it did. Okay. It was told you're going to encounter different surfaces. You need to analyze those. and then know how to walk on each one. If it was just sitting in a box in the corner of the room, it Speaker 6 (15:17) wouldn't know to go out and walk. Okay, what Speaker 1 (15:19) about your child on a bike? You don't sit there and go, you know, there's gravel, there's this, there's this. You're going to teach him how to pedal. No, you just go here, get on the bike, Speaker 3 (15:28) push Speaker 1 (15:28) the Speaker 3 (15:29) bike, and then go. But I put my hand on the back of the seat while I walk against the child on the bike until they can balance themselves. I taught my kid how to ride a bike. My kid just didn't walk outside and teach themselves. I don't know. I got to hand it Speaker 1 (15:42) to the engineers. Good one. Speaker 6 (15:44) Knew that one was coming. You did not. I'd give an arm and a leg for that hand. I Speaker 1 (15:50) don't know what that one was. That's Zandra, our tech producer, going crazy on that 360. She loves that thing. How about we take a phone call? All right. James in Charlotte, North Carolina. Hello there, James, and welcome. Hello. Thank you. Enjoy your show, Kim. Thanks for taking my call. Speaker 2 (16:10) I appreciate all you've learned from me over the years and all the things you tell us on the show. It's good information. I have a really, I think, a basic question related to AI agents. You always give a lot of good advice on AI, but as I hear it, I have this basic question I've always wanted to ask. I thought, well, I'm going to try and see if I can. and get the answer so so here i am on my overpriced iphone 17 pro because first time in eight years they didn't drop the price and anyway too late now um it's a really basic question you know look at all the different options with chat gpt and claude and grok and all that and i've gone through a few of my wife's gone through a lot of them but Here's the basic question. How do you know when you use the free version versus when you need to use a paid version? And where do you draw that line? How Speaker 1 (17:10) do you know? Oh, they will tell you. Well, they're going to tell you every 10 minutes you need to get the paid version. They come up and they say, hey, James, you want another answer? You need to give us your credit card. That's what it is. So they have different, they have limits and it could be the number of questions, how many tokens that you're using, the type of questions that you're asking, the amount of activity and tasks that you're going to give your AI agents. And it all boils down to your usage. How much are you really using? Much like a cloud storage account. how many terabytes do you have? And the more that you want to use, the more you're going to pay. And so most of them, and also you get, if you are on the free account, you're not going to get the answers as fast. No. Speaker 3 (17:55) So Speaker 1 (17:56) if you want to get faster answers, you're going to need Speaker 6 (17:59) to pay. Is there a statistic like they released 40 % faster, 100 % faster? It is. There is a dramatic Speaker 1 (18:07) difference. Okay. Like, for example, I thought this was interesting. I looked this up. ChatGPT. They have a new $500 a month plan. Holy buckets. And it rolls out to obviously six grand a year. So first you get 25 times the usage of the $20 plan. Okay. And then there's also has what's called the ultra fast mode. which you need. So that basically when you're coding, that it's eight times faster. Eight times, okay. And then the $200 plan, but its limits are cut in half. Compared to those? Yes. Okay. So if you're running into roadblocks, that's basically when you're going to pay. I mean, I Speaker 6 (18:52) pay $200 a month for Claude. $200 a month. And you think you get more out of that than you would with the basic membership. Speaker 1 (19:00) Because even now it tells me that it's running into a limit. Wow. That I'm going to run out of tokens within the next 12 hours or something like that because of everything that I have doing it. And it's only the beginning of the month. October just started. Speaker 6 (19:15) There Speaker 1 (19:15) is that. And what you want to, unless you're an actual coder and you have a whole bunch of agents, just skip the $100 and $200 plans. No, the basic one's fine. Speaker 6 (19:24) $500. A month. A month. And people are probably paying for it. I Speaker 1 (19:29) probably Speaker 6 (19:29) will have to. Speaker 1 (19:30) All right, somebody sends you a picture. You open it. Game over. That's not a movie plot. Apple just rushed out an emergency fix exactly for this. Now, the flaw lives in the part of your iPhone that draws pictures and PDFs. And they could get a booby-trapped file. That's a technical term, by the way. Very technical. That will let a hacker run their own code on your phone. Now, Apple says it may have already been used in a... quote, extremely sophisticated attack. Speaker 3 (19:59) You mean a text message or a DM that was sent to you with a photo in it? Speaker 1 (20:02) Yes. So who's exposed? Anybody who's running iOS 26. That's four out of five every iPhone owners. So if you haven't updated yet. Update. Now is the time. When's the last time you went to McDonald's? Oh, a Speaker 6 (20:17) couple months probably. What do you get there? Speaker 3 (20:19) I don't get anything there. But the kids get, there's like a $6 meal where you get a burger. Nuggets and a fry. Francis eats the burger. Eloise eats the nuggets. They show the fry. Six bucks. Speaker 1 (20:30) Love that. Now, what if just a couple of blocks over, that meal was $11? I would not like that. No. Reuters says that McDonald's is using AI to find the optimal price for every menu item at nearly 14,000 restaurants. Speaker 6 (20:47) It's McDonald's. Cheap. That's what the optimum price is. They call it a tool, Speaker 1 (20:52) not a mandate to its franchise owners. McDonald's has used some sort of pricing algorithm since 2019. It was actually a story about one guy was paying like $11 for a burger and then a couple of streets over it was like $14. Okay. So how do you know how much your McDonald's is going to charge? Right. You really don't know. Do you ask the unanswerable question? But you know, you can use Speaker 6 (21:16) the app. But the app is going to be standard prices no matter where? No, but you can say, I'm going to go to this McDonald's, I'm going to go to that Speaker 1 (21:22) McDonald's, and then you can see what it might be. So, you know, I went to McDonald's today. No, you didn't. Speaker 6 (21:29) You're right. Are Speaker 3 (21:30) you Speaker 6 (21:30) setting up a joke here? Yes. Oh, did you? What did you get? The soft serve ice cream was working. No, it wasn't. That's impossible. I don't remember the last time I've been Speaker 3 (21:40) to a McDonald's. They have cheap sodas. You don't drink soda, but you can get a large soda for a dollar. Speaker 1 (21:46) Look at what I'm drinking. Speaker 3 (21:47) I don't know what that green stuff is. It's matcha. Oh, yeah. You're on your new matcha kick. Speaker 1 (21:52) I do that. But look, I'm still wearing my Apple watch. I'm so proud of you. Yeah, exactly. When I read this story, Andrew, I'm telling you, I was like, I don't know how I would have handled it. Okay. I mean, it's your son's first day of school in the first grade. And it's his first day ever on a school bus. And Josh, thanks for joining us. Tell us what happened. Yes, ma'am. Speaker 2 (22:17) So it was my son's first day of school starting first grade. And last year he wanted to ride the school bus, but we didn't want him to ride the school bus because I could picture an incident or something happening. You know, I take safety of my children, very important. And because it's a crazy world we live in. And that morning we dropped him off at the bus. The bus showed up late. He went to school. I had to go get shoulder surgery done. I got shoulder surgery done. We got out, we made it in time to go to his original bus stop where he was supposed to be dropped off at. My sister-in-law was waiting there at the bus stop for him because we didn't know if I'd get out of surgery in time. So then we got out of surgery in time, we got there, nothing comes by. He's supposed to be there at like 3.34. We're not seeing anything, not hearing anything from the school. We're starting to panic and get scared, nervous. And then it's 420 something, almost 427, I believe, or 424. And my wife looks at her phone and she had a Facebook message from a random person along the lines of your son is lost. We have him here. And then my wife said, oh, my God, like we're on we're on our way. And he then responded, he is safe. And then we're like, what the heck? Where's our son? He's in a completely different subdivision. We had to get in the car. I'm not even two hours out of surgery. My wife's driving. We see the bus pulling out onto the main road, and we're like, where's our son? And basically was like, he's at the first stop over here around the block with a man and a woman. And we're like, what? So then we rushed over, got my son, who was completely traumatized. It's over 90 degrees out. His face, he's crying, he's sweaty. He's basically like in a shock, can't even move. And these two people just happened to be pulling in their driveway with groceries and found my son in their driveway. And he was unattended for a period of time. So the Speaker 1 (24:33) bus driver just let the kid out on Speaker 2 (24:35) the wrong stop? No, I think it was like along the lines. My son said, this is my stop. The bus driver looked at her sheet, said, you're not on my sheet. And then my son gets off the bus. The driver asked the other students like how old he was. And they told her. Then she starts to drive away. And the kids on the bus were like, hey, let's follow him home. And the driver then on the bus said, no, we can't. Follow him home. I'm sure he knows something along the lines of I'm sure he knows where he lives. He'll find his way home along those lines. And then. Speaker 2 (25:14) it's just absurd to me. And then continued to drop off kids and then came back around to check on my son after he was already left behind. Speaker 3 (25:23) So there's a protocol for the school since it was the first day of school that the bus driver was not allowed to let kids off the bus until they confirmed Jeff gets off at bus stop five. Mike gets off at bus stop six. Speaker 2 (25:38) So essentially what the protocol is, kindergartners have to get picked up from a parent. There's nothing about first graders, which is insane to me. A six-year-old, there's not much difference from a six-year-old and a five-year-old. Not at all, no. And we had to reach out to everyone. No one contacted us even about the incident. We instantly, when we found him, I had to have my sister-in-law take my son to get him ice cream to try to calm him down. He was so overheated. He was in shock. His clothes were soaked in sweat. So we instantly went up to the school and rang the bell like 10 times. No one was even there. Speaker 2 (26:17) I mean, there were cars in the school. There was supposed to be someone there to assist, but they weren't there. So then we reached out, left voicemails and everything with the school district. Never got a response from the administration. Now, did you Speaker 1 (26:32) see the bus video? Have you seen that? Speaker 2 (26:35) Yeah. Yeah, I've seen the bus video. And it's, in my eyes, it's... it's really neglectful and really bad in my eyes. What Speaker 1 (26:44) did you see on that that every parent needs to know? Speaker 2 (26:47) That every parent needs to know is... That you got to follow up. I mean, it's your kid's safety. I'm like literally trying to fight for things to be done right and accordingly. Like my there's been no transparency. Like the only time I was called was basically advised when the investigation was over. And I'm like, how is the investigation over when you Speaker 1 (27:12) haven't even watched the video? But also that you found out from a stranger on Facebook. Right. Thank goodness. Speaker 2 (27:18) I mean, you know how scary that is? My kid could have wandered off. My kid could have wandered off in the pond nearby and drowned. My kid could have got hit by a car and dead in a ditch. And no one would have known if those two people didn't pull into their home because the driver continued on her road. Speaker 1 (27:34) Now, does your school district have something like the First View app that tracks the buses? Yeah, Speaker 2 (27:39) we had an app. We had the app, but for some reason they were having technical difficulties or something. And then we went to a board meeting where they basically told us in the board meeting, they didn't even respond to us when we went to speak at the board meeting. They then stated along the lines of, this is a proven year for that bus company. Speaker 1 (28:01) Oh, that's nice. I don't think Speaker 6 (28:02) they're doing a great job. No, they didn't prove it. They proved they're awful. Speaker 2 (28:07) Yeah, basically they said it was a prove-it year for the bus company, which is, and I haven't even heard from the bus company from the first student. Speaker 1 (28:15) Well, I'm sure you're going to put a watch on your kid, a GPS tracker. Speaker 2 (28:20) Yeah. No, yeah, so we had a... information in the bag. We've been hearing about those air tags and stuff, but I just know sometimes those things can get hacked and stuff. Speaker 1 (28:32) No, you're Speaker 2 (28:34) not Speaker 1 (28:34) going to get hacked. They're not. I wouldn't worry about that. But I tell you, there are now Skechers kids' shoes that you can put an air tag right in the bottom of the sole of Speaker 4 (28:45) the Speaker 1 (28:45) shoe. Oh, wow. But if it was my kid, I'd put a smart watch on them. Speaker 2 (28:51) When I tell you how scary that is, it is so traumatic. My wife is traumatized. I've lost my son Speaker 3 (28:58) at a Kohl's for 30 seconds and I was traumatized. I cannot imagine what you went through. We're Speaker 2 (29:07) not talking about two streets here. We're talking about almost a mile. It's over half of a mile in a completely different subdivision. He would have had to walk across a busy, busy road. just to get to our subdivision. Poor Speaker 1 (29:21) kiddo. Yeah, I feel sorry for him. But, you know, Josh, I'm glad that he's safe. Speaker 2 (29:26) Anytime he sees a bus, he's traumatized now. He won't get on a bus. I don't Speaker 1 (29:32) blame Speaker 2 (29:32) him. Speaker 1 (29:32) No. Neither do I. Yeah, I don't blame him either. They weren't looking out for him. I'll tell you, there's a Gab, G-A-B-B watch that I would put on him. And I would also put an AirTag in his shoe. The Apple Watch SE is pretty good because it has a whole family set up. Oh, man. You know what? I would take that. I might even find a new school. Speaker 3 (29:55) Yeah. I don't know. What do you do? I mean, I understand that it's the school's responsibility 100%. But when the kids on the bus are saying, shouldn't we follow them home? There's an issue. And Speaker 6 (30:06) the Speaker 3 (30:06) bus driver's like, Speaker 6 (30:07) nah. Speaker 3 (30:08) You know, bus driver, she don't care. No. Speaker 6 (30:10) He don't care. She's got to get to the next stop on time. Otherwise, she's going to get yelled at. And then she just wants to go home. Wow, what a story. Speaker 6