#2558 - Tyler Engle

The Joe Rogan Experience

In this episode, Tyler Engle and Joe Rogan explore the fringes of archaeology, focusing on evidence that challenges conventional historical timelines. They

Key takeaways

• New drone scans at Mount Ararat in Turkey provide potential evidence for a structure consistent with Noah's Ark.
• The Denisovans were a significantly larger human species, with skeletal remains suggesting massive physical proportions.

Main topics

• Noah's Ark and Mount Ararat
• Denisovans and ancient human species

Notable quotes

The earth is not lying.

Conclusion

The episode serves as a provocative look at how new archaeological fin

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:01) Joe Rogan podcast, check it out. Speaker 3 (0:03) The Joe Rogan Experience. Train Speaker 1 (0:06) by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Speaker 4 (0:12) Tyler. What's up? What's happening, brother? Thank you very much for being here. Speaker 3 (0:15) I Speaker 4 (0:16) love your fucking Instagram. You have a rabbit hole of an Instagram, dude. It's so good. Your latest one on Noah's Ark is really fucking interesting because I knew about the scans, but I did not know about the connections to the Sumerian text and how he was referred to on the King's List. Yeah. Yeah. I sent it to you, Jamie. Just to start off, because I want to really blow up your Instagram because it's so good, dude. Thanks, man. My pleasure. It's so many times where I'm doom scrolling. I find that I'm like, oh, I'm learning something. This is justifiable. So this is, it's called baseforge.us. That's Tyler's Instagram. And this is all about these new scans. And they dug into it today, I think. Today or yesterday. It's been two days. They think that they hit petrified wood, which is really interesting. This whole thing is very weird, but let's just hit this. Speaker 2 (1:15) New scans from Turkey, Mount Ararat, the Noah's Ark location. They got a new little drone out there that's using the same technology that they used to find the Hawara Labyrinth in Egypt recently. Mind you, both of these were not taken seriously by the mainstream. I'm still skeptical, but the evidence is getting a little overwhelming. Because the earth is not lying. Mount Ararat is almost 17,000 feet high, straddled by two of the saltiest lakes on earth and a dry one to the south. How did it get there? Most people confuse the flood with the Younger Dryas event. That is way too far back in history. The nearby town of Chirupac was buried in 50 feet of mud. That mud was dated very close to the mud that is covering this structure. But Chirupac is very interesting. That is where Noah was from. The ancient Sumerians called Noah Zayasudra, the last king on the Sumerian kings list before the flood. These guys were a megalithic culture, meaning they could work really big, really hard rocks. Their temples are so destroyed, there are 10 ton stones just laying out in the middle of nowhere that got thrown off the top of a mountain. But that's very important because these guys could work really big stones. And right by the site of this ark are these things. What are these things? These are called drogestones. You see the hole in the top of them? You fit a rope or a chain through that. They're anchor stones. They're found in ancient Greek and Roman ports. What they would do is suspend them off of the boat to keep it stable in rocky water or anchored. Nozar didn't have a mast or anything to steer it. It was the largest ship ever built and meant only to survive this one event. They'd need to be that big for a ship that large. And those dimensions are exceptionally close to what we see in the ground. I put this site and the temples in Hidden History, free update, explore it. Okay, for real though, how much more evidence do we need? Just dig the thing out. Speaker 4 (3:07) Well, I think they are trying to at least slowly excavate that area and figure out what it is. But just the story itself, it seems like as written, so preposterous that all of the animals on Earth were put on, you know, two of each on a boat. And then the flood came and then afterwards they repopulated the earth. It seems like a ridiculous simplification of something that was probably at least somewhat true. I don't think that they had all the animals on the boat because that doesn't make any sense. There's not enough room. Animals eat other animals. But it does seem like there was some, probably multiple events throughout history, but some sort of an event. That they're Speaker 2 (3:52) documenting that that one's well documented actually the one in Turkey was the flood Yeah, 3000 BC or so I think was the around that area There was multiple and that's where you see all this like the temple of ionis that whole region there has Flood evidence right, but it's not Younger Dryas flood evidence, you know, it's also probably not global It's not that's what that's I think an important distinction that a lot of these places make is They have similar stories, but they probably weren't the same day. You know, it could have been sequential, like some some events going to happen somewhere and cause this. And then another one's going to happen over here and cause this. But the Mediterranean, that area is very unique because it's basically surrounded by mountains. Right. Like there's this giant from Iran to all the way to Greece mountain range. That's right. So how does it have a saltwater lake? That's what. So Lake Van is really interesting because Lake Van has like a volcanic origin, right? There's a volcano underneath it. Speaker 4 (4:51) And Speaker 2 (4:51) so there's like mineral deposits there. But it's one of the saltiest lakes around. You know, the Dead Sea is really close to it as well. What about the Great Salt Lake in Utah? I don't. I think it's a little. I think it's saltier. It's Speaker 4 (5:03) a Speaker 2 (5:03) soda lake. So Lake Van is a soda. It's like carbonate. And then the Great Salt Lake is like pure salt lake. Same as the Dead Sea. Right. So those those are two different distinctions. This is like this is definitely more of a Randall area than my area. But I like I like mixing these different things in because all the all the stories are pointing to the same, you know, that that same origin. And that's where the Zaya Zaya Sutra. thing comes in. So most likely Speaker 4 (5:27) it was probably a semi-local event like contained to Turkey and just their version of the world. What was, what was, what was around them? So when they were right, you know what I mean? Like they don't know what's happening in China. How could they, you know, they have no idea what's going on in the Philippines and not there. Like, like you, your whole Speaker 2 (5:46) world is gone. Right. If everything you see around you is, is barren wasteland because you got tsunamied. Right. The world's over. Right. And that's Speaker 4 (5:54) what Speaker 2 (5:54) you're going to put on the rock. Speaker 4 (5:55) So the question is, was it a real event? And if it was a real event, how the hell did this Noah guy know it was coming? That's where things get real weird. Because even if it's just a local event, even if it's a local event, I mean, by local, I'm talking about like the continent or at least the area of Turkey. So even if it was a local event, how the hell does this guy know to enough that he spends years? Constructing this boat this massive boat the biggest boat that had ever been built at the time Yeah, and gets all these animals on I've gone. We're fucked in about three years Speaker 2 (6:32) I gotta get to work like accelerate this process Speaker 4 (6:34) wasn't there who fucking did a movie Speaker 4 (6:39) Wasn't Speaker 2 (6:40) there a movie recently? No, the movie wasn't a Russell Crowe Speaker 4 (6:43) movie. Speaker 2 (6:44) Yeah. That's right I didn't see that I actually liked it because they get a lot of the lore in there and like the old old lore You know of the Nephilim and all that stuff. Oh really intro to the movie Yeah, just watch the intro to that thing if you're if you're curious they do this whole backstory on it It's really cool. So Speaker 4 (6:59) many things that I used to think were nonsense the Nephilim stuff. Yeah, and now I'm like hey Speaker 4 (7:05) The giant stuff for sure. Giants. Giants for sure. I am almost all in on giants. Speaker 2 (7:11) I think we're all almost all in there. Speaker 4 (7:13) Yeah, it just seems like there's too much. There's just too many stories. There's too many tales. I don't know what it means. Like, does it mean the mountain from Game of Thrones? You know what I mean? Like, that's a giant, especially compared to me. That guy standing next to me, like Brian Shaw. Do you know who Brian Shaw is? Brian Shaw was in the mothership the other day. He's 400 fucking pounds. He's like seven feet tall. He's the biggest fucking human you've ever seen in your life. His bone structure is so dense that he is one of, I think it's what, I think there's like five or six people on earth that have the same density of bone as this guy. No, it's some insane number. Some insane number. It's like one out of 500 million people have his bone structure. Where Speaker 2 (8:03) does that genetic come from? Where are we getting that? But I'm Speaker 4 (8:07) saying, is it that? Is it just exceptional genetics? Like we have today, we have pygmy tribes, and yet we also have the Maasai, right? So we have these seven foot tall people and we have these three feet tall or four feet tall people. So like what? What are we talking about? Are we talking about a different species of human? Because now we keep finding these new species of human, like the Denisovans. You saw the Speaker 2 (8:30) new research Speaker 4 (8:31) on that now? Yes. How big they are. They're Speaker 2 (8:33) big as fuck. So, like... And tell people about that research if humans were okay So they found I think of a complete skeleton if I'm not mistaken of the dinosaur Which was don't think they found a complete skill It was it was the more complete one than they had but yeah, I think Speaker 4 (8:48) they just have pieces if I'm correct Speaker 2 (8:50) I don't think we have a full one yet, but the the proportionally like they are definitely were bigger than us Well, just the skulls alone the skulls Speaker 4 (8:57) are Speaker 2 (8:57) huge the skulls Speaker 4 (8:58) are Speaker 2 (8:58) massive and it's like a Brian Shaw skull Speaker 2 (9:02) Brian's gonna be like, oh, he's cool, Speaker 4 (9:04) man. He's cool. He's likes me a giant Who Speaker 3 (9:07) wouldn't Speaker 4 (9:08) like being that big man? Okay, Dennis Sullivan's towered over their contemporaries and munched a bunch of meat of course Yeah, that's how you get so big. Yeah. Um, so how big do they think they were? Speaker 4 (9:22) Interesting right so and this is like the ones we found right so like if you only found like my body you would say Oh humans, you know, we're under like somewhere around five foot eight five foot seven Yeah, maybe they got to about five foot nine and then you see Shaq's body and you go. Oh, okay Well, this is not real clearly what's going on. This is a different species You would think like we only have a small amount of fossilized record You know of just human beings like we keep finding these like the Denisovans I think they just found them ten years ago or less less than getting Speaker 2 (9:57) older, too That's the thing like it keeps getting pushed back for Homo sapiens as well as finding new Speaker 4 (10:02) new versions of yes So it says here Neanderthal men average about 168... Why are they doing it in centimeters? Why are you fucking with me? Denisovans towered at 190 centimeters. What does that mean, Jamie? What's 190 centimeters? Freedom units. Speaker 2 (10:17) Here, I'll ask my phone. Speaker 4 (10:19) What is 190 centimeters in feet? Speaker 1 (10:25) 190 centimeters is 6.23 feet. I was right. Speaker 3 (10:28) Okay. Good job, brother. I said 60, but that'd be like Speaker 4 (10:30) 60. So that's pretty big for the time because people were, it was hard to get food. Yeah. Right? So it's hard to get the protein in order to get, like people during the Civil War were like 130 pounds. Like men were tiny because they were starving. And medieval Speaker 2 (10:42) people were a lot smaller. Yes, a lot smaller. And it's basically a food thing. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 4 (10:47) So obviously this is a very big version of a human, especially considering the time. That it existed but was that a giant where people all really tiny and they looked at that because like have you ever been to to Italy and gone to some of the ancient structures in the castles not Italy pretty dope One of the things you notice is the armors fucking tiny. Yeah tiny really Speaker 2 (11:14) like tiny. I've heard these things It's weird and how like they're the The shoes and stuff they like it doesn't look like they could fit into the the proportions of them. Well, they're itty-bitty people Speaker 4 (11:26) Yeah, so, um when I was there, I think it was a castle that we're at I went to a bunch of different places went we went to Pompeii went to Florence I think it was in Florence, but this armor was like that narrow Like super slender and like little, like five foot five-ish, like tiny little dudes. Because I think nobody had any food, man. I think it was hard to get the proper protein, especially if you're a soldier. And, you know, you probably come from a poor class of people. You probably didn't have access to enough food to grow right. Unless you got a lot of those guys. Well, you got a lot of those guys. And also they're probably killing a lot of other people that are also similar small. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Speaker 2 (12:07) Unless they run into the Vikings. Or maybe the Egyptians. Speaker 4 (12:11) Yeah. Well, maybe the Egyptians, right? Speaker 2 (12:13) Xerxes in the movie. Speaker 4 (12:15) 300, right? So he was Persian, actually. But it's like when you hear these stories, particularly the stories of the giants, and then you find out things like Denisovans, you go, okay, so we know that Denisovans existed. And when do they think they existed? What is the timeline? Speaker 3 (12:34) Oh, that article said that. Most bones, I think, are about 160,000, but radiocarbon testing on, I think, the ones that they used for this study were maybe 45 Speaker 4 (12:44) ,000 years. Oh, that's crazy. Okay, so if they find—let's just think about that. So that's 120,000 Speaker 2 (12:52) years of discrepancy? Yeah. Right? That's nuts. That we never interacted with them, too? Right. For sure we interacted. Yeah, we Speaker 4 (13:00) definitely interacted. 100 % if they're 45,000 or whatever it is. So then you've got to think, well, this is only the bones we found. Right? If you die, if I die, if Jamie dies, the odds of someone finding our bones somewhere, it's so small. It's like the fossil record of dinosaurs alone. Like, dinosaurs lived for... Fucking hundreds of millions of years and what do we found like a few hundred thousand of them? We don't even have like a full Speaker 2 (13:24) skeleton on pretty much any of those like a hundred percent. We have no I don't think we have any really Speaker 4 (13:30) we have pretty close ones We have some really close t-rex ones and some you know some that are real close But the bottom line is the amount that died versus the amount that we find is very small so Easily that could be the case of people And dragons. And dragons. Speaker 2 (13:45) And dragons. And dragons. We'll get to dragons later. Enjoy, Bayhar. Speaker 4 (13:51) We're on it again, honey. Keep it rolling. I fucking never take a dragon believer off my profile. I think that's awesome. He Speaker 2 (14:01) believes in dragons. Oh, my God. Speaker 4 (14:02) Why don't you? Why don't you do some research? Yeah. There's something weird going on. We're all throughout history. People talk about giants and people Speaker 2 (14:10) talk about dragons. Yep. And then giants were apparently not real. And now we're finding those. And then Noah's Ark apparently wasn't real. We're finding that. Speaker 4 (14:17) And all this stuff Speaker 2 (14:17) that's just not real and it was legend is now like, oh, yeah, that's obviously real. I Speaker 4 (14:21) think very few of those stories were fiction. And I think this is evident when they find things like Troy, which Troy was thought to be a fairy tale. It was thought to be fiction forever. And then they're like, oh, we actually found the city. Yeah. Wow. No Speaker 2 (14:41) way. Speaker 4 (14:42) Back then, it was so fucking difficult to write a book. You had to write it by hand. You had Speaker 3 (14:48) to Speaker 4 (14:48) know how to write. Speaker 3 (14:49) Yeah. Or read. Nobody knew how to read or write. And Speaker 4 (14:53) then you got to imagine, like, how many people are writing fiction? Who the fuck is reading it? Yeah. More likely, when you're around back then, it's important to write a detailed history of what has happened so that your future generations will have, they won't have to learn from scratch. Yeah. You want accurate accuracy Speaker 2 (15:10) there. Yeah. That's another thing that throws a monkey wrench in the whole Egypt thing, too, is like hieroglyphs appear fully formed and sophisticated. Right. It's not like there was a you can see the evolution of that. You start it like old kingdom and it is flawless. It's like engineering language right there. And where's the. Right. How? How? Where Speaker 4 (15:30) does it start from? So it's a Speaker 2 (15:31) group of five dudes over here like, OK, we're going to make the cartouche and we're going to do this. And the symbol means this. No, it just shows up. Well, the idea Speaker 4 (15:37) that we have a we have a complete understanding of the past is just we should start from there because that's foolish. Yeah. And one of the things that you detail so well is some of these temples and the sound that resonates out of these temples and some of them that are just carved right into a mountain with incredible precision. And we don't understand how. We don't really know when. It's just kind of guesswork when. Yeah. And we have no idea what equipment they used because it's not possible they did that with other rocks. No. Speaker 2 (16:11) So Speaker 4 (16:12) what did Speaker 2 (16:12) they do? So I made a Kailasa temple video a couple weeks ago, and that's the one that's in India carved straight out of Speaker 4 (16:19) the Speaker 2 (16:19) mountain, right? Out of volcanic rock. The Speaker 4 (16:22) salt, Speaker 2 (16:22) yeah. It is insanely hard. I got... I got so much blowback that that was soapstone or that was this stone. And there's a YouTube channel called Proto-Civilization. They did this experiment where this dude took a pickaxe, hardened steel pickaxe, and they measured how much volume they could remove from the mountain behind Kailasa, not near the temple. They removed like... An area about this big maybe that deep they have the scans so Speaker 4 (16:46) you're you're made like six inches and like a half of maybe maybe a half inch deep and how long they work Speaker 2 (16:52) out four hours and these dudes were huge these were were gassed out and There was only a six inch little thing and they when they were doing the calculations like there's no way that the population even working Non-stop could do that and then they tried to destroy that temple and you couldn't destroy the temple with the tools they had so how did they make it then they have guys trying to destroy the temple. What was the timeline that they were trying to destroy the temple? It Speaker 4 (17:16) was like 100 Speaker 2 (17:16) guys for like two years. And they barely scratched it. And that's what we still have left. Two years, 100 dudes, non-stop. And they couldn't get anything done. It's really kind of Speaker 4 (17:27) funny. Because it begs the question, what was the technology? And we need to really open our minds to the possibility. that there was a civilization that had achieved some sort of a technological sophistication that we don't understand. We don't know what the technology was. We don't know why they had it, what they did with it. But there was something going on. And I think Kylossa is one of the best pieces of evidence that's like, you know, remember the Arsenio Hall show? Things that make you go, hmm? This is a thing that make you go, hmm. I mean, it's like, how did you do that? Guys, you know I'm into ketones, and I rock with ketone IQ, but... Here's something that blew my mind. Throughout history, you see all these civilizations talking about fasting and how good it can be for your body and brain. I honestly feel sharper when I do it. That's because when you fast, your body starts making its backup fuel. They burn clean, last long, feel amazing, and they help you with focus and mental clarity. But fasting is really hard. So when I need to stay sharp, I take Ketone IQ. It delivers the same super fuel your body naturally makes when fasting right to your brain. They help me drop into laser-like focus when I want to stay locked in and think clearly, and that's the beauty of it. You get the benefits of ketones without having to fast. Finally, you can pick it up at CVS. nationwide and your first shot of ketone iq is always free so head to your local cvs and try one for yourself or go to ketone.com slash rogan for 30 off Speaker 2 (18:59) your subscription order well they have the devil's in the details here because if you look at it kailasa is unique it's in the process of being finished it's not finished at all there's satellite temples that are being worked basically from the ground up and you can see the construction process. It gets a little more detailed at the top and then at the bottom you can see the scraping tool marks. There's scrapes and scoops, right? But the scrapes, the penetration depth of the scrape is greater than a jackhammer that we have. So a jackhammer, a hydraulic one that goes through the rock and takes it out of the rock wall, does not penetrate as deeply as the marks that are still in Kailasa. So something was – and the narrow – it's like you have to go sideways through it and the marks are there. So they were doing it somehow like – Speaker 4 (19:43) In a narrow corridor. In Speaker 2 (19:44) a Speaker 4 (19:44) narrow corridor with no light. Like as narrow as a human body or more narrow? Speaker 2 (19:48) It goes to a V. Speaker 4 (19:49) Can you go Speaker 2 (19:49) through it? Yeah, it goes to a V. So you start – it starts wide, but you see the tool marks going all the way through it. So do you think that they started wide and then that's Speaker 4 (19:58) how they V'd it out and then eventually got it parallel? Speaker 2 (20:00) Yeah. I think they were probably using a mixture of what we do today with it. But I think their tool that they were doing made it so much easier that the way that they could just go in there like that looks like it was no problem. It looks like we were just, you know. That's Speaker 4 (20:17) so insane to think about. Speaker 2 (20:18) And Speaker 4 (20:18) we Speaker 2 (20:18) are just Speaker 4 (20:19) so egocentric Speaker 2 (20:20) in our position that we are Speaker 4 (20:22) the most sophisticated culture that's ever existed on Earth. And I think there's a lot of evidence that that's not true. And the best evidence is the stone. Speaker 2 (20:30) Stonework is the best. To me, that's what got me into all of this is like, you know, obviously Graham stuff and a bunch of like this community is there's a bunch of things that kind of shake your worldview up. But when I started. looking into this they were building the grand egyptian museum and they had to move the statue of ramses you know which one i'm talking about yeah giant one Speaker 4 (20:49) yeah so Speaker 2 (20:50) if you go to that museum like the pictures don't do it justice you're standing and you're looking at his shin and there's like a pool around it you know i almost fell into the pool you look at it's kind of hard to see but yeah you're staring at his shin and you look up and you're like Okay, in the cartoon. Yeah, that's one so you you barely come up to his shin and You know Ramsey's put his his thing on everything But like it's funny that you look at his face and his face that that Egyptian face is a very generic face It doesn't look like Ramsey's if you look at Ramsey's as his mummy. It does not look like Ramsey's Speaker 4 (21:26) so Speaker 2 (21:26) He did this a lot though. He put his cartouche on literally everything in Egypt Speaker 4 (21:31) course, but Speaker 2 (21:32) um It's funny because when they moved this they had to use a enormous truck with huge steel beams to solidify it Yeah, that's one look at this thing It's like okay, holy Speaker 4 (21:45) shit. Speaker 2 (21:46) Yeah, so so that's is this thing. Speaker 4 (21:49) Oh, Speaker 2 (21:49) dude. It's crazy I think it's in 200. It's in it's out of granite. It's a big boy 400 tons What's Speaker 4 (22:00) that Jim said 83 Speaker 3 (22:01) tons? Speaker 2 (22:04) So but you have to assume that that the block that they had to get out of the quarry was at least 200 to get you know to remove the material around and stuff so but what I'm what the point is there had to be a special road a special trailer a big truck and All the stuff to move this thing and that's us now now do that in us and no sand or no roads with just sand putting water on the sand and rolling it on logs from Lebanon that are really not that compressively strong. So like all of it to my engineering brain was just, was absurd. And so I keep having these things and then like the LACMA stone, the 300 ton boulder they put at the museum, you know, the, the process they went through on a perfectly flat, I think Jimmy Corsetti was the one that brought that one up. And like, just having those examples is very eyeopening to the how, what tool, what equipment, what. You know, it melts my brain, dude. And I went to school for this and I had to, you know, do a lot of these calculations. I worked in construction. I worked in building restoration. I've had to do all of these things. And you can't move like a boom lift on certain roads because it will cave the road in. And those things don't weigh as much as a Ramsey statue. It's just so weird Speaker 4 (23:17) how these conventional archaeologists will dismiss any ideas that are outside of this. Linear timeline theory and then oh they were just really smart back then they figured it out with copper tools and sand and this not like But it doesn't even make sense none Speaker 2 (23:35) of it makes sense They say they're really smart, but they also don't believe the mythology or the kings list or anything like that It's a simultaneous. Oh, they were super smart, but this stuff was imaginary Speaker 4 (23:43) The Speaker 2 (23:44) stuff they put on the walls wasn't real, but how they built it was real. Speaker 4 (23:47) It gets to a certain point where they can't explain it away, and then they go into imagination. Instead of saying, hey, maybe we don't have a full picture of this. Look, what we can do today is so preposterous that it looks like magic to anybody that lived 200 years ago. We Speaker 3 (24:02) all know that. Speaker 4 (24:03) I drove here in a Tesla. It goes zero to 60 in under two seconds. I press a button, it drives me home. Speaker 2 (24:09) What? Speaker 4 (24:11) Imagine that, explaining that to someone 200 years ago. I left the club last night, and I was on the phone with a buddy of mine, and I just pressed, and it just takes me home. I don't even have to pay attention. Speaker 2 (24:24) You have a global communication device in your pocket. Right. It can access all the world's information. And I'm on Speaker 4 (24:29) the phone with a guy who lives in Connecticut, and Speaker 2 (24:31) we're Speaker 4 (24:31) talking. I mean, the whole thing's crazy, and this is Speaker 2 (24:34) normal. Wipe the Earth's memory and then you're the only one that has a memory of this civilization. Try and explain that to somebody that doesn't. They'd be like, no. Imagine if you could find this Speaker 4 (24:45) technology 200 years from now after a nuclear war and after people had been like using sticks and stones and fucking animal skins for clothes and then someone stumbles upon some bunker somewhere and inside there's intact computers and cell phones and satellite dishes. You'd be like, what the fuck is this stuff? This is magic. And then people would try to, for hundreds of years, try to back engineer it and explain it. You Speaker 2 (25:12) know? Like, what? Okay, that's a perfect segue, though. Because you could have an instruction manual with those things, right? I could make an instruction manual. This is how you use this cell phone. Right. Speaker 3 (25:23) Memory is wiped. Cataclysm or Speaker 2 (25:24) whatever happens. No one's going to be able to read English. Not only that, what if Speaker 4 (25:28) it's someone Speaker 2 (25:28) like me who finds that thing? And I'm like, Speaker 4 (25:31) what? Huh? Huh? Cell phone? Then you start worshipping it. Signal? What's a signal? It's in the air? Can you catch it with a net? Speaker 2 (25:40) Yeah, it's preposterous. But there's, okay, the way I look at it, though, is the language that you have to read is the geometry. And that's why the tech comparisons are so powerful is because the geometry is guiding and routing signals, and it's doing something. It's performing a function in your phone or your TV or whatever. And on a macro scale, that's exactly what they were doing, too. You know, they were routing human behavior through temples. They were routing all this, you know. organization, societal organization and structure for these components. So at a base level, they're doing the same thing, except you're kind of like the data packet. You're the technology instead of the cell phone. Speaker 4 (26:17) Yeah. Speaker 2 (26:18) Yeah. And then Speaker 4 (26:19) there's like whatever is going on with the pyramids in terms of like what the actual function of the pyramids was that, you know, obviously the conventional position is that those were tombs. But, you know, this Filippo Biondi stuff. Bondi or beyond D. He's beyond II how am I saying is am I saying his name wrong? He was a very interesting guy and very humble and you know Didn't seem like he was using hyperbole when he was describing these things and he was talking about how many times they've done these scans Yeah, and people would just want to dismiss that data and in fact they retracted his paper What yeah, yeah the the yeah, there's like a big conscious. He we find the controversy Speaker 2 (27:04) He just did the scan of the Titanic and nailed it. Speaker 4 (27:06) Uh-huh. Not only that, he's also done scans of existing structures in Egypt that they know, that they've already mapped out. The side shaft. Exactly. And he got all the dimensions correct. So it's not like this stuff doesn't work. And so if you've done repeated scans of this area, instead of dismissing it, I just don't understand why they're not all gathering around and wanting to have conversations with him and Speaker 2 (27:30) going to look at that stuff. It doesn't make sense from a business perspective either because if you discover this stuff, that's like an unlimited source of tourism. A hundred percent. Which – have Speaker 4 (27:41) you Speaker 2 (27:41) been to Egypt? No. Speaker 4 (27:42) When Speaker 2 (27:43) you go there, you're going to walk on the plateau and you're going to be like, if I had a team of a hundred dudes, I could clear this thing in a couple months. Like the work is not the problem. That's really not it. It's the bottleneck of the bureaucracy. It Speaker 4 (27:54) is Speaker 2 (27:54) absolutely. Yeah, bureaucracy. Yeah. It's the people that run it. You go there and like there's there's vantage points of like that famous picture of the pyramids with all three of them, the camel walking by. There's that's like a vantage point where you can go and look at everything. You can see it with your eyes without looking at the satellite. There's something under here. There's something under here. There's something under here. And then there's gateways into it everywhere, all over the place. There's gated off doorways into the underground. That's like right up the causeway. Ben's done a great job showing that. So it's I think it's the. I don't want to say it's a fear, but like it's ego. It's yeah. Speaker 4 (28:29) It's human ego. It's the fact they've been they've been saying a certain thing. They have been laying out a certain narrative for a long time. And these guys, they teach this. Their reputation is based on it. And one of the things that experts love to be is the gatekeeper of information. You know, if you try to talk to a gatekeeper, you try to talk to an expert about something that you don't understand, almost always you're met with dismissal. No, no, no. You don't understand. Let me explain. The King's List is all fiction. No, no, no. These were tombs. We know they were tombs. Let it go. Like, bitch, you don't know shit. You're just another human who's been looking at this thing. And by the way, this whole fucking. This whole just academia, period, is recent. Speaker 2 (29:16) Eric Weinstein has done a great job in showing how gatekept that is. And I think there's a movement now where it's like, OK, well, you can say this, but we're going to show you the opposite. We're going to show you that there's proof. There's overcuts in granite. There's all this weird stuff that we can't do today. The cultures say different stuff than. the history books say, there's a disconnect. The drill holes. The drill holes, yes. The disconnect is insane at this point. When I got into it, there was like a small hill of conspiracies when this was first coming in. Speaker 4 (29:53) What year Speaker 2 (29:53) did you get into Speaker 4 (29:53) this? Probably like Speaker 2 (29:55) 12 years ago. Do you remember what got you? It was one Graham's book because I was... Fingerprints of the Gods? Yep. I did high-rise window cleaning before this. Oh my god, dude. Speaker 4 (30:08) I've always said that's the fucking scariest job ever. Speaker 2 (30:11) I was terrified. And before I did it, I kind of had a fear of heights, but I had to really get rid of that quick. How did you get that job? It kind of fell in my lap, honestly. I had a window cleaning business. My dad had done it for years before, so we'd clean fast food restaurants and stuff, make great money in high school. And then... There's huge money in high-rise window cleaning. Because nobody wants to do it? No Speaker 4 (30:31) one Speaker 2 (30:31) wants to do it, yeah. The insurance is crazy. You have to have huge upfront cash to rent this equipment. It's Speaker 1 (30:36) a Speaker 2 (30:36) wild business. But I had so much time, I would just put my headphones in. I would listen to books. So I was hanging off of buildings listening to Graham and everybody. I would want to hear creaks Speaker 4 (30:47) and things. I would want to hear groundies. If something starts giving out, I would want to be like razor Speaker 2 (30:55) sharp. I'd want to have suction cups on my hands. It was one in, one out. I wasn't noise canceling that one. Speaker 4 (31:03) Wow. Speaker 2 (31:03) So that's how you got Speaker 4 (31:04) into Speaker 2 (31:04) it. Yeah, kind of. And then Magical Egypt, there was a show. Oh, yeah. John Anthony West. I had him on a couple times. I love Speaker 4 (31:11) his work. Speaker 2 (31:12) Oh, he was amazing. So the people, it really resonated with the engineering type of mindset because I went to college for computer engineering. And so when you explain it in that way, my brain just got a little tickled because I didn't really think there was anything going on in ancient history at all until I started looking into that. And then what really kicked it off was like the Lebanon-Balbek area, that stuff just. smash me in the face right that stuff is insane so the size of those stones yeah beyond it's beyond comprehension and the whole the whole base of it it's not just the trilith on the whole base of it is stones that are upwards of 400 tons And there's no Speaker 4 (31:50) record of it. That's what's really weird because the Romans kept meticulous records of the construction. And they have records of the construction of these buildings. They do not have a record of the construction of the base. Like whatever that was was probably ancient and probably there a long time before they ever started building on it. I Speaker 2 (32:06) think it's Phoenician, honestly. Phoenician. Phoenician, yeah. Phoenician Canaanites. So what year