Glenn Greenwald DESTROYS Ed Sheeran Defender Over "Free Palestine"

The Jimmy Dore Show

The episode features a heated critique of political expression in the music industry, specifically examining the debate between Glenn Greenwald

Key takeaways

• Glenn Greenwald argues that the 'Free Palestine' movement is being used as a rhetorical tool for moral bullying.
• Jimmy Dore counters that billionaire Zionists are actually the ones exerting pressure to cancel artists like Macklemore.

Main topics

• Music industry cancel culture
• Israel-Gaza conflict

Notable quotes

Free Palestine is the new Black Lives Matter. It's a rhetorical trick.

Conclusion

A scathing critique of how media, politics, and corporate interests in

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:02) October 10th in Los Angeles, Studio City, live celebrity panel show. October 16th, Rutherford, New Jersey. October 17th, Atlantic City, New Jersey. And then in November, Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton, Toledo. Go to JimmyDore.com for a link for tickets. Speaker 6 (0:32) It's the Jimmy Tore Show. Speaker 1 (0:37) Glenn Greenwald went back on with Piers Morgan. Piers Morgan is putting together some pretty hostile panels as the usual. So he had Norman Finkelstein on. You are a fantastic moron. And this guy is a gay guy who pretends to be a hip Zionist. He's the moderate, but he's actually the biggest liar of them all. And that's that Winston Marshall guy from that band. I can't remember. Speaker 1 (1:04) Mumford and Sons. And so he I was on his show. He's a pleasant fellow to talk to, but he's a crazy Zionist like all of them. And so let's watch Glenn. He kind of takes them apart. Let's watch this. Speaker 5 (1:19) Free Palestine is the new Black Lives Matter. It's the new silences violence. It's this new sort of rhetorical trick used. Speaker 1 (1:29) This is just mind blowing that Free Palestine is Speaker 7 (1:32) like the new Black Lives Matter. Speaker 7 (1:35) It's a rhetorical trick. Free Palestine. What? I mean, do we again? Speaker 1 (1:42) It's one. So that's why it was so when I did his show, it it was like I was I felt like I was ambushed, brought there on false pretense, because all you want to do is talk about Israel's Zionism. And one of my least favorite things is to to debate this kind of shit. Speaker 1 (2:03) Like, if you know anything about the history of Israel, it's an apartheid state. They're genocidal. There's a thing called the Greater Israel Project. They've always wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza. Now they've done it. And, you know, you could quibble over the word genocide or ethnically cleanse, but it meets the exact definition of genocide. And guess who made sure, guess who wrote that definition? The Holocaust survivors. Speaker 1 (2:32) So it's just so crazy to think that. Anyway, so here we go. Let's let's do it again. Speaker 5 (2:39) Free Palestine is the new Black Lives Matter. It's the new silences violence. It's this new sort of rhetorical trick used to sort of morally bully people into taking a side. And so Speaker 1 (2:52) I just think it's interesting that he talks about more. They're talking about Ed Sheeran. And to morally, they're morally bullying Ed Sheeran. That's what he's referring to there. Speaker 7 (3:04) They literally canceled Macklemore off the tour. Does that fall under the umbrella of bullying? That you literally canceled a guy off the tour? And that the Zionist Speaker 1 (3:23) Robert Kraft threatened to cancel Ed Sheeran's tour. But now you're saying it's the free Palestine people who are bullying him? That's a Speaker 7 (3:32) real funny way to look at bullying, don't you think? Speaker 5 (3:40) Fortunately for Ed Sheeran, he's ended up in the middle of that sort of on the in the middle of the picket line and been forced to choose which way to go. The pressure he has been under. I know I went through it myself. For me, it was Black Lives Matter at the time. The Speaker 7 (3:55) idea of being so obscene. As far as Winston Speaker 1 (4:00) goes, I. I saw I supported his him during his whatever, during the black life, he spoke out and about Black Lives Matter. And he did things that were pretty much innocuous almost. I'm trying to remember exactly what it was, but I remember I was like, wow, it was a way overreaction to what he said and did. And he was actually eventually, I think, got kicked out of the band or asked to leave or whatever. And and so, yeah, but to him to conflate that. with free Palestine and what's happening is just, well, Glenn's going to break it down, but just to let you know, that's just like the, he, you're right about one thing. You're a hundred thousand percent wrong to conflate these two things. So let's listen. The Speaker 4 (4:45) idea of being so obscenely rich, talking about hundreds of millions of dollars of net worth, like Ed Sheeran has, and then being so needy. to perform in Robert Kraft Stadium. And remember, Robert Kraft didn't just ban Malcolm Moore himself. He got other Zionist billionaires who were also owners of the stadiums where Ed Sheeran was planning to go Speaker 1 (5:07) to do the same thing. So would that be considered bullying? Not only one guy's stadium, but then he got all the other stadium Zionist guys that ran to threaten him. Is that not considered bullying? I don't know, but maybe he was considered. Who? I mean, here we go. Speaker 4 (5:22) like a consortium and to not be willing to stand up to that. Like we just heard, you know, oh, I was canceled during Black Lives Matter. Sorry. Like if you are a public figure and you take a position that's controversial, it's totally reasonable to expect that people will criticize you. And it's a little bit difficult to endure Ed Sheeran self-victimizing in this way, crying on stage when you have in Gaza. the highest number of child amputees ever, tens of thousands of children dead. Those are the real victims. The second thing is, it's not really true that Ed Sheeran has always wanted to be apolitical. He took, for example, a very clear and definitive stance when it came to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. He even did shows. to raise money for them. And yes, I realize that that was easy to do in the West, but that's a very polarizing position around the world. And yet he did it there because it was easy for him. And I do think that people with a public platform have a moral obligation, not in every case, but when there's a genocide happening, would we accept, for example, during World War II, a public figure said, oh, I don't really have an opinion on the Holocaust. I'm not really political. I don't really want to speak out. I don't think we would accept that. And then, yeah, finally, I do think that musical artists have a responsibility, especially ones extremely wealthy with the gigantic global platform, to stand up to the kind of censorship that he just confronted. And yet he completely failed to do that, gave a both sides version of this conflict that somehow began on October 7th, even though the Israelis were murdering Palestinian children long before that, including throughout 2023 before October 7th. It was just a whole failure on every level. And I think it comes from this weird need not to ever offend anybody to the point that you're willing to have no principles or values, even though financially you're as rich as you can be for life. If I may address Glenn from earlier, Glenn, you said if you get canceled, boo Speaker 5 (7:17) -hoo. Do you think Macklemore got canceled, boo-hoo, from the stadium? Does it sort of boo-hoo, you know, tough luck, mate? You said what you said, and there are consequences. Well, Speaker 1 (7:24) Macklemore said, Don't boohoo for me. I'm not the victim. Speaker 7 (7:29) Macklemore said so. He goes, the victims are the Palestinians. I'm fine. Macklemore Speaker 8 (7:35) didn't start crying either. Speaker 7 (7:36) And he didn't start Speaker 1 (7:37) crying. And he's the one who actually did get canceled. Speaker 5 (7:39) And then he got a couple million more followers. Speaker 1 (7:42) Yeah, yeah. So he's like, no, don't worry about me. So this was a bad argument by our friend Winston. Your position on Speaker 4 (7:52) that? Speaker 4 (7:54) Macklemore actually got canceled, which is why it's so bizarre that Ed Sheeran is now somehow the victim of cancel culture. There's a huge difference between being criticized and actually being canceled by a cabal of Zionist billionaires. But Speaker 5 (8:06) Glenn, Speaker 4 (8:06) you just said boo-boo to me. Does that mean boo-boo to Speaker 5 (8:07) - Speaker 4 (8:07) But even Macklemore has said, don't feel sorry for me. I'm not a victim. I'm extremely wealthy. I'm safe in my life. The real victims are people in Gaza, which is the kind of perspective that a rational person should have. Not, oh, I'm Speaker 1 (8:21) a Speaker 4 (8:21) public figure. I've been expressing polarizing views and now I'm being criticized. Everyone feels sorry for me. This is the pathetic grievance that people have been invoking because they're being criticized. Speaker 1 (8:34) So he tried to spin it around. Well, you said boo-hoo for Ed Sheeran. How about boo-hoo for Malcolm Moore? Yeah, right. Malcolm Moore said, don't feel sorry for me. Speaker 7 (8:42) Yeah, don't worry about it. I'm fine. So that was a piss-poor argument by Zionists. Speaker 1 (8:50) And he's such a likable guy in every other way, Speaker 7 (8:54) the Speaker 1 (8:54) guy Winston. It's the excuse. You know, when you excuse genocide and you're a frickin' maniac Zionist and you take the side of the oppressor. It really doesn't reflect well on your character. That's all. When you take the side of the oppressor, it's just great. But I thought Glenn did a great job there. And he thought he really had him with the gotcha. He thought he, but boo-hoo, right? You Speaker 7 (9:19) know, Malcolm Moore said, no, don't worry about me. Speaker 7 (9:24) So this thing that we're supposed to feel sorry for Ed Speaker 1 (9:27) Sheeran, and I understand that he's probably friends with Ed Sheeran, and Ed Sheeran, if he had a spine, would walk through it with his half a billion dollars. He doesn't need to ever play another concert for the rest of his life. And by the way, he can play concerts whenever he wants anywhere. People would show up. He could go to a park. and 20,000 people would show up. He doesn't need Robert Kraft. He doesn't need the Zionist ownership who own those stadiums. He doesn't need them. He'd always go play his music, and the only reason he needs those stadiums is if he wants to enrich himself to the tunes of hundreds of millions of more dollars. He doesn't need them. And I said it before, what's the point of having, that's called, in show business, everybody talks about you want to get to a point where you're successful enough that you don't have to take orders from people in show business. You can just go do your art. And it's called FU money. Yeah, I got FU money. And that's what Ed Sheeran has. He has half a billion dollars. He doesn't need to do anything. He could have told Robert Kraft, go pound sand. I'll go play somewhere else. And so what's the point of having FU money if you don't Speaker 7 (10:37) ever Speaker 1 (10:37) tell anybody FU? And there's Ed Sheeran trying to both sides it, pretending that this conflict started on October 7th, pretending that the IDF didn't kill more of their own Israeli citizens than the Habas did that day, which they did. It's called the Hannibal Directive. The IDF, the Israeli and Netanyahu basically funded the slaughter of those people on October 7th. It was Netanyahu. This was all a big scheme so they could use this as a ruse to go in and ethnically cleanse Gaza, which is what they've done. Speaker 1 (11:12) And to pretend like this, like it's it's completely plain. Everybody knows now. Now the UAE, the United Arab Emirates just came out and said, yeah, we warned them about that. They knew it was coming. The soldiers gave testimony that they were given a stand down order. Why did it take six hours for the Israeli military to respond to a slaughter from guys in kite on kite, flying on kites in Adidas shoes and slippers? Speaker 1 (11:40) Because this was a setup so they could go in and take over and cleanse Gaza. And they killed more. Really? Did you see all those cars that were completely incinerated like they were in the Maui fire? You think that they did that with AK-47s? Or do you think that was attack Apache helicopters that the IDF was using? That did that to their own people. Of course, that's what that happened. And again, they don't even hide that they killed their own people. This isn't me like breaking news. Everyone knows that the IDF has a thing called the Hannibal Directive, and they slaughtered Israeli, their own citizens on October 7th. Probably more Israelis were slaughtered by the Israeli military on October 7th than Hamas did. And then we all know all the rape, all the grape stuff and all the beheaded babies. Those are, again, all propaganda so that Benjamin Netanyahu and the genocidal occupying apartheid government of Israel could go in and ethnically cleanse Gaza and take it over. This is not, you can, there are people who argue this, but it's not really debatable. Anybody who's not a paid off partisan. hack to lie for Zionists, concede clearly what this is. And by the way, the experts on genocide inside Israel call it a genocide. All right. So again, I don't need to quibble with you if it's genocide or an ethnic cleansing, but it is by definition a genocide, the definition that was laid down after World War II. by the Holocaust survivors, A, but let's, I'll give you that. It's definitely ethnic cleansing. They're going to ethnically cleanse Gaza. That's what this is all about. And the West Bank. And they want the, they're now, what do you call where the Palestinians are now except the concentration camp? It was a concentration camp before they invaded after October 7th. It was the world's largest open air prison. Speaker 7 (13:53) It was a concentration Speaker 1 (13:55) camp. The people, they have admitted to using, cutting off their water, Israel cut off the water and food to the people of Palestine, made them line up in those cages, and then they would snipe them as they went to get food. We all saw the video. You can't deny this. Speaker 1 (14:16) And why don't we have more reporting about it? Because Israel killed all Speaker 7 (14:20) the reporters. 200 journalists they've killed. Speaker 7 (14:26) Here, Speaker 1 (14:27) let me see. Let me see this. They claim