First Lady Jill Biden Pt 4 Life-Changing Lessons on Staying Strong, Defying the Odds, Loyalty & Love

The Jamie Kern Lima Show

In the final installment of her conversation with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden, Jamie Kern Lima explores deeply personal topics including grief, resilience, political reflections, and intimate

Key takeaways

• Grief from losing her son Beau has made other hardships feel less overwhelming.
• The First Lady emphasizes that personal resilience comes from embracing vulnerability and love over perfection.

Main topics

• Grief and loss
• Resilience in the face of adversity

Notable quotes

"Once you experience the death of a child, nothing else can hurt you."

"I don't like giving somebody the finger. It's really a vulgar thing."

Conclusion

The episode closes with a powerful message of self-worth, healing, and hope.

Transcript preview

Speaker 2 (0:00) President Biden's conversations with his biographer were just released in the form of some audio clips that he fought for years to not be released that talk about classified material. What can you share about that? They were personal conversations and I don't think they should have been released. President Trump's 80 right now. Do you think there should be an age limit on public servants being in elected office? Probably. Coming up in this incredible part four episode with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. First Speaker 1 (0:35) Lady Dr. Jill Biden. I read your book cover to cover. Congratulations. Yeah, how many books do you read? Oh my God. Speaker 2 (0:43) Do you believe our elections are fair now going into midterms? How do you handle and process and not get taken down by any naysayers or Speaker 1 (0:54) haters? Jamie. Speaker 1 (0:57) If you look at the first line of my book, Speaker 1 (1:02) Once you experience the death of a child, nothing else Speaker 2 (1:07) can hurt you. I Speaker 1 (1:09) don't know that Speaker 2 (1:10) I've seen you get emotional. I Speaker 1 (1:11) told you I'm not a crier. And, you know, I was, you know, Speaker 2 (1:14) not quite steeled for the beginning of the interview, I guess. I mean, your heart is open and I'm grateful for that. How did it feel in your body when President Trump won? I was shocked. Who do you think will be the Democratic nominee for 2028? Speaker 1 (1:32) If it's Vance, Rubio, or Trump, which Speaker 2 (1:35) I know you can't do a third term, but if it's Vance, Rubio, or Trump, what would your Speaker 1 (1:38) guess be? Speaker 2 (1:38) How would it be Trump? Speaker 2 (1:41) Legally, I don't think it could Speaker 1 (1:42) currently. No. No. I mean, isn't it in the Constitution? Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 (1:48) Mm-hmm. Yeah. And so are a lot of things. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. In your book, you describe Melania as frosty. You mentioned she declined your invite to tea, and she hasn't invited you to tea, which is normally a First Lady tradition. It is. That you've sent a birthday card every year. Yeah. But that the openness... to connection was not reciprocated. If it were to be reciprocated today and you get an invite to tea and you go to tea with Melania, what would you say or ask? Speaker 1 (2:22) I probably would. Speaker 2 (2:25) Did you watch the Melania documentary? I watched it. Oh, you did? I did, yeah. Are we going to expect to see a Jill Biden documentary? Is it true the staff and teams for the president are sometimes competing against the staff and teams for the vice president? No, Speaker 1 (2:41) we Speaker 2 (2:41) work Speaker 1 (2:41) together. Oh, the vice president. First Speaker 2 (2:44) word that comes to mind when I say the following words or people. Michelle Obama. Jenna Bush Hager. The East Wing. AOC. Gavin Newsom. Texas Rep. James Tallarico. Kamala Harris. President Trump. Skip. When do you think Speaker 1 (3:02) we'll have a woman president? Not in my lifetime. Speaker 2 (3:05) You and I are both waitresses. I learned a lot of things at Denny's when I was waitressing. How did you learn to have interesting conversation, to talk at a dinner party, to know how to have proper manners? Did someone teach you? You had to pick it up. I mean, it's survival. Did you ever do etiquette training or like charm school or do they have a first lady crash Speaker 1 (3:29) course? Speaker 2 (3:30) You were saying in a single car ride with you and President Biden, in a single car ride, you can see someone saluting you, someone giving you the finger and someone mooning you. Yes. All in the same car ride. Did Speaker 1 (3:42) I ever moon somebody? Yes. No, no, Speaker 2 (3:44) no. Have you and President Biden, because you know, you're behind the windows of Secret Service. You know, you're in the car. No one can see you. Have you ever or President Biden ever like given them the finger back? Speaker 1 (3:56) Do you swear? Oh God, yes. Do you have a favorite word? Joe hates it. Hates it when I swear. Yeah? But I know I can win a fight if I use certain words. Speaker 2 (4:08) What does it start with? Speaker 1 (4:11) Jamie. Yeah? Speaker 2 (4:13) First Lady Dr. Jill Biden made history as the first First Lady to hold a full-time job as a college professor, while also serving in her full-time role in the White House and across the country as our First Lady. She's carried unimaginable tragedies and loss, from losing her son Beau to cancer, to her other son Hunter battling extreme drug addiction, to now President Joe Biden being diagnosed with stage four metastatic cancer. And she has a brand new book out called View from the East Wing. You can get it anywhere books are sold. And it's also on Audible, where the First Lady herself reads it to you. And today she's opening up like never before, and nothing is off limits. I am so happy you're here and so excited for this conversation we're having together today with First Lady Dr. Jill Biden. The intention of this show is to be a force for good and a force for love. I have guests on that might vote differently or love differently or pray differently from you and me because I believe to help heal humanity through love, we must first understand the humans who make it up. And I am so happy that you are here. No matter how you vote, how you love, how you pray, you belong here. And whether today you're listening for yourself or because someone shared this episode with you, welcome to the Jamie Carlina show podcast family. I'd be so grateful if you take two seconds and just hit the subscribe button on the app or listening or watching on that way. You're going to be the very first to get every inspirational episode. Plus, you can also get weekly inspiration into your inbox from me to you for free. Just join my newsletter at jamiekernlima.com. And thank you so much for sharing this episode with every single person you know who might need some inspiration of their own today or perhaps some hope because we are all in this one life together. And right now, as the first lady shares in this episode, President Joe Biden is in the fight of his life, battling stage four cancer. While the First Lady agreed that today no questions were off limits, and so I do ask the most pressing questions so many of us want to know, I also want to ask you to join me in praying for President Biden's health and strength, and in praying for and sending love to his entire family during this time. Speaker 3 (6:45) Welcome to the Jamie Kern-Lee show. Speaker 2 (6:48) Oprah, how have you defied the odds? Speaker 3 (6:52) Her show is unlike any I've ever done. A revelation. When you listen, it feels like a hug. First lady, Michelle Obama. Jamie, you are going so deep. I have never had this in-depth conversation. I've Speaker 1 (7:07) actually never said that out loud to anybody in an interview before. You know how to get there. Speaker 3 (7:13) Your brain and your spirit and your heart is like, wow. Melinda French Gates. When I look into Jamie's eyes, I feel like I am on some other cosmic level with her. Meghan, Duchess of Sussex. Speaker 2 (7:29) I wasn't expecting Speaker 3 (7:29) that one. I could see the light around her. She's infused with light. Maria Speaker 2 (7:34) Shriver. I never made that mistake again. Imagine. self-doubt, learning to believe in yourself and trust yourself and know you are enough. Welcome to the Jamie Kern Lima show. Jamie Speaker 3 (7:50) Kern Lima is her name. Everybody needs Jamie Kern Lima in Speaker 2 (7:53) their life. Jamie Kern Speaker 3 (7:54) Lima. Jamie, you're so inspiring. Jamie Kern Lima. Speaker 2 (8:04) In your book, one of the things I laughed out loud at was you were saying in a single car ride with you and President Biden, in a single car ride, you can see someone saluting you, someone giving you the finger, and someone mooning you. Yes. All in the same car ride, which I can completely imagine. So here's my question. Speaker 2 (8:26) Did Speaker 1 (8:26) I ever moon some of these? Yes. No. My God. No, no. Have you Speaker 2 (8:30) and President Biden, because you know, you're behind the windows of Secret Service. You know, you're in the, no one can see you. Have you ever, or President Biden ever like given them the finger back and they can't Speaker 1 (8:39) see it? No. No. That's one thing. Moon