TREACLE AT SCHOOL, MOLASSES AND JACK'S CHUNKY NECK

The Jack & Ash Show

Jack and Ash dive into the sticky world of molasses and treacle, tracing word associations from Southern US cuisine to Disney's The Princess and the Frog before uncovering the bizarre history

Key takeaways

• Ash recalls eating Lyle's treacle straight from a tin at school, leaving everything sticky and earning teacher warnings
• The Boston Molasses Disaster of January 15, 1919, released 2.3 million gallons of molasses in a 35 mph wave that killed 21 people and injured 150

Main topics

• Molasses and treacle culture
• Boston Molasses Disaster history

Notable quotes

"I am molasses."

Conclusion

The episode delivers a mix of absurd historical deep dives, personal s

Transcript preview

Speaker 3 (0:01) 1965, London. The world's largest uncut diamond has been stolen from the Natural History Museum. Speaker 3 (0:10) Shortly after, a young London window cleaner is arrested. Speaker 2 (0:14) They said, you're nicked, you're in a lot of trouble. But was he set up? Wanted, I've fled to fall of two cops. His family say he Speaker 3 (0:21) is guilty, but of a totally different crime. Speaker 2 (0:25) You're not going to end up going to prison, do you, kidlet? Speaker 3 (0:27) I'm Josie Long, and this is Rough Diamond. Listen now, wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 4 (0:36) There was a point at school where I just used to take a tin of Lyle's around with me and eat syrup out of the jar. It was fucking crazy! I Speaker 2 (0:45) knew always that this was going to happen, so I didn't, when everyone said, what are we going to do after, is that's going to have a party, I went, you just have to wait and see and chat to Olivia, because I knew as soon as one shot of tequila even went near your nostrils, you'd go, everybody Speaker 4 (0:56) back to bed! Speaker 2 (0:57) So I went... Totally fine, but it'll do whatever you like. That's one of the main reasons why I can't stand weddings. As in, you're telling me you have found the love of your life and I'm expected to buy you a crock pot. Speaker 4 (1:07) That's what I'm saying. Speaker 4 (1:19) Hello, Speaker 2 (1:21) I am molasses. Speaker 4 (1:23) Oh my God, molasses. I've got something Speaker 2 (1:25) to tell you about molasses. What? So, you know, our guys, we were like, what's in brown sauce? What's in HP fruit? And what Speaker 4 (1:31) is molasses? Speaker 2 (1:32) Right. Well, molasses, it turns out to be, it's basically just a thick Speaker 4 (1:36) syrupy. Speaker 2 (1:36) Why are we saying it like Speaker 4 (1:37) that? Because it's funny. No, no, no. Molasses. No, but what I'm saying is there is a very certain thing about that word. To me, it gives, it gives, like I'm in southern country, molasses. Yeah, molasses. And I have it with a shrimp gumbo. Right. Why are both our brains going Speaker 2 (1:52) to Speaker 4 (1:52) that Speaker 2 (1:52) same place? I Speaker 4 (1:52) totally agree. It gives me jambalaya. Yeah, yeah. But what I'm saying is, is it prevalent? Speaker 2 (1:58) is Speaker 4 (1:59) it prevalent in like in that well place part of the world so Speaker 2 (2:03) when we put that video out and then people were applying to the cut down on socials it's actually like a thick syrupy kind of tar that that is Right. Totally. That makes so much sense. That's a southern state thing. Molasses. Totally agree. However, wait for this. Speaker 4 (2:20) What's that carnival thing they have? Oh, Speaker 2 (2:22) in New Orleans. New Speaker 4 (2:23) Orleans. Right. In my head. Molasses. In my head. It's like this weird Venn diagram. Do you know what it is? It's like New Orleans, molasses, shrimp gumbo. But you know. Something else. That other party. Mardi Speaker 2 (2:37) Gras. Mardi Gras. But also, but that gives me a little bit. Molasses gives me in. Princess and the Frog. You know that, like the shadow Manson man with the purple suit on. Molasses. You're going to die. You slept with him. Speaker 2 (2:53) Did I get him on? You're right. Oh, Speaker 4 (2:55) no, I've never seen Princess and the Frog. I know, I know, it's actually, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. And it's actually like first Black Princess, isn't it? And it's really bad. I know, I know, I know. I don't know what to say. Speaker 2 (3:06) And beyond that, there's a frog in it. You'd love it. Like there's little light up flies and shit that talk and sing. It's so you, bird. I love Speaker 4 (3:13) frogs. No, what? I love frogs in Kermit form. I'm like, I have a phobia of frogs. Speaker 2 (3:18) Yeah, but. You don't have to like get with it. Yeah, yeah, fine. Speaker 4 (3:21) Well, maybe I do have to get with it. Maybe that's how you get over it. Maybe that's the Speaker 2 (3:24) point. You got to kiss a few, what was it you said? You Speaker 4 (3:26) got Speaker 2 (3:26) to Speaker 4 (3:26) kiss a few fracks to get to your prince. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Molasses. Molasses. I can't believe it. Speaker 2 (3:32) We Speaker 4 (3:33) need to go Speaker 2 (3:33) to Mardi Gras. We need to go to Molasses Gras. So listen to this. Someone, quite a few people actually commented on the TikTok and the Insta and were like, guys, I need you to learn about the great molasses flood. I swear to God. And I deliberately have not Googled it since. I've just been like, okay, I know that. I said to Professor Jack, I was like, we're going to talk about it. It rings a bell. I've heard of it, but it just gives me... Did one of Speaker 4 (3:56) the factories go Pete Tong and it was like Black Tom Lassus everywhere? I think Speaker 2 (3:59) Black Tom Lassus, exactly, which is the name of my first album. Speaker 4 (4:03) That's my drag name. Black Tom Lassus. Speaker 4 (4:09) It's crazy. Black tar. Black tar molasses. It's crazy. Speaker 2 (4:15) So, the Great Molasses Flood, also known as the Boston Molasses Disaster. Was it? Misaster. Oh, that's such a deep reference. That's from the Gilded Age. That's a really Speaker 4 (4:26) deep reference. We can't go into it right now. But the Gilded Age season, Speaker 2 (4:29) whatever, is coming back so soon. I know. And so hopefully Speaker 4 (4:32) we can get people onto it in time. Oh my God, guys, The Speaker 2 (4:34) Gilded Age, we've spoken about before. Please, please, please watch it. It's amazing. And Nathan Lane's character says, he's very Southern, that's why. Speaker 4 (4:40) Oh my God, that's where it comes from. That's why. Malazas. Because they're all Southern. Speaker 2 (4:44) No, but there's a character called Miss Aster on the show, but he goes, Miss Aster, Malazas. Anyway, so. The Boston Molasses Disaster was a disaster that occurred on January the 15th, 1919. It's only one year after the First World War. In the North End neighborhood of Boston, Massachusetts. How Speaker 4 (5:01) many years before Speaker 2 (5:01) the pound? Speaker 4 (5:02) 1983. Speaker 2 (5:03) It's actually 64. How do Speaker 4 (5:06) you do that? It's so impressive. Speaker 2 (5:08) 1964 is 83 days. There's no point explaining it to me, my love. Speaker 4 (5:15) Don't explain it. Only one square Speaker 2 (5:16) the route. Yeah, so you're totally right. A large storage tank filled with 2.3 million US gallons of molasses weighing approximately 13,000 short tons, which is 12,000 metric tons. That is absolutely stupid. Why would you bother? Why would you bother doing a short Speaker 4 (5:32) ton? Speaker 2 (5:34) Your 13,000 short tons. That's Speaker 4 (5:36) basically saying you're short massive. Yeah, Speaker 2 (5:38) your 13,000 short tons of black tar molasses. Speaker 4 (5:44) Changing my bio to that. Speaker 2 (5:46) 13,000 short tons of black tar molasses. If Speaker 4 (5:49) I was still single, that would be my hinge prompt. I'm 13,000 short tons of molasses. And I'm not afraid Speaker 2 (5:55) of a flood. And the resultant wave of molasses rushed through the streets at an estimated 35 miles per hour. Oh, this isn't funny. It killed 21 people. Speaker 4 (6:07) Sorry. Sorry, I'm laughing. I didn't know it was going to get to that. No, no, no. Speaker 2 (6:10) I didn't know it would get dark. It killed, well, it was black, wasn't it? Speaker 4 (6:14) Yeah, it Speaker 2 (6:14) was black tar. Couldn't get much darker than that. Speaker 4 (6:15) Not tar, anyway. It Speaker 2 (6:17) killed 21 people and injured 150. Do you think because it was hot or just because it, well, 35 miles an hour, that's faster than a normal road speed limit. That's just a car. Speaker 4 (6:25) Wait, that is. It's Speaker 2 (6:27) just a black car molasses. A black car named Desire. Speaker 4 (6:31) Wait. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. Because the only like kind of equivalent that I can draw, obviously, because. It's Mount Speaker 2 (6:37) Vesuvius. No, because Speaker 4 (6:39) we're not from Southern States. So obviously we don't engage in Mardi Gras molasses. Speaker 2 (6:43) Right. London Pride. Speaker 4 (6:44) Yes. That's what London Pride looks like. No, I'm imagining. Home of Speaker 2 (6:50) home, Speaker 4 (6:50) home Speaker 1 (6:50) of home. Speaker 4 (6:51) You know that very specific treacle. I Speaker 2 (6:53) know exactly which one you mean. Lyles. Lyles. With the lion on the front. Speaker 4 (6:57) Lyles. Speaker 2 (6:58) The tin where you have to get a knife and pop the top off. Yeah. And Speaker 4 (7:01) do you know... I used to pour that Speaker 2 (7:02) down my gullet at my grandma's house. Do Speaker 4 (7:03) you know there was a point I was really like not okay at school? No, Speaker 2 (7:07) I know. Speaker 4 (7:07) Well, I wasn't okay for like most of school. Speaker 2 (7:09) I know that too. Speaker 4 (7:09) But there was a point at school where I just used to take a tin of Lyle's around with me and eat syrup out of the jar. It was fucking crazy. And my teachers used to be like, you actually can't keep doing this. And I just used to pop it open. Did it never Speaker 2 (7:24) spill in your bag? With Speaker 4 (7:25) a Speaker 2 (7:25) spoon. Of Speaker 4 (7:26) course it did. That's Speaker 2 (7:27) what Speaker 4 (7:27) I'm saying. Everyone was like, oh, Ash, you're being annoying. Everything's sticky. Speaker 2 (7:32) You were either covered in poo or pouring golden syrup on yourself. Speaker 4 (7:40) There's like a very distinct time. I can't believe I've never told you that. Speaker 2 (7:43) What the Speaker 4 (7:44) hell, Speaker 2 (7:44) Bird? It Speaker 4 (7:44) was a very distinct time that I just used to walk around with golden syrup. Speaker 2 (7:48) So my equivalent, but not doing it myself, which is actually a bit bullying in hindsight, is my grandma, my dad's mom, Grandma M. I used to find it so funny to get the cans of squirty cream and just squirt it into her mouth until Speaker 4 (8:02) it overflowed. Into your... Mars Mouth. Mars Speaker 2 (8:05) Mouth. We both thought it was so funny. But what I'm saying was, is it against her Speaker 4 (8:09) will? No, Speaker 2 (8:10) I Speaker 4 (8:10) didn't pin Speaker 2 (8:10) her down. That was her cause of death. She died choking on squirty cream. Speaker 4 (8:15) Pining your grandma down on squirty cream and going, it's so unfair. Speaker 2 (8:20) No, but we used to just be like. oh how funny is this and she'd go like this and I'd go ahhh and it would just like overfill out of her mouth and just howl with laughter Speaker 4 (8:27) that's really tea that's a lot less problematic I think than me walking around as Black Tart totally Speaker 2 (8:33) totally agree Black China's sister but that's Speaker 4 (8:35) what I'm imagining like imagine the Lyle's the factory overflowing Speaker 2 (8:40) just Speaker 4 (8:40) overflowing and then all of that treacle coming out at like is treacle and golden syrup the same thing Speaker 2 (8:45) no but they're very similar I Speaker 4 (8:47) think they're both just like 101 % sugar I Speaker 2 (8:49) think Lyle's is Speaker 4 (8:49) treacle Because it was very, it was like stodgy molasses. Whereas I think golden syrup's like the... Yeah, golden syrup's Speaker 2 (8:58) a Speaker 4 (8:58) bit Speaker 2 (8:58) thinner to me. Speaker 4 (8:58) I think treacle's the hard shit. I think I was on the hard stuff, but I want to know. Which doesn't Speaker 2 (9:02) surprise me in the slightest. Can you put treacle in a needle? Speaker 4 (9:05) It was, innit? It's treacle. Yeah, treacle Speaker 1 (9:07) is like the dark, bittersweet variety, aka black treacle. Speaker 4 (9:11) Oh, black treacle's an even better drag name. Oh my God. Also, the word treacle. Think about that. Treacle. Because it treacles down your body. We don't say treacle enough. That's a really good word. I Speaker 2 (9:27) like saying hello treacle. That's sweet art. Speaker 4 (9:30) You have never, ever said hello treacle. Ever. No, Speaker 2 (9:34) I probably haven't. But I think in my head I like to say it. The voices in my head say it a lot. You're like treacle. Like that kind of Speaker 4 (9:39) thing. Speaker 2 (9:39) Yeah, yeah, yeah. A bit cockney. Yeah, treacle. Speaker 4 (9:43) That's really, all of that has completely blown my mind. Yeah, isn't that amazing? Well, it's not amazing. It's awful. It's really not amazing. Speaker 2 (9:48) Following a two-week-long cleanup effort, the event entered local folklore. Of course you have to clean it up. It's not going to disappear, lovey. Oh, Speaker 1 (9:56) my God. There's Speaker 2 (9:57) a lot Speaker 1 (9:57) more you need to hanker on this story. He Speaker 2 (9:59) sent me a testimonial from one of the onlookers, so I'm going to read that out as well. But residents reported for decades afterwards that the area still smelled of molasses on hot summer days, which is pretty amiss. That's perfect. No, you'd get a bit sick of it. It's one thing to go and visit. Boston and be like, ooh, it smells of molasses here for decades. For decades? Speaker 4 (10:17) Yeah, which means 10 years. Thank you. I wonder what hot molasses smells like as well because is that not a nice because you've got to think that's tar. But also it's sweet. I feel like just everything would smell like a bakery. It's kind of my dream. The waves Speaker 1 (10:33) of molasses were eight metres high. Speaker 1 (10:37) What? So you imagine eight meters high wave of molasses rushing through the town. I'm Speaker 2 (10:42) like two meters-ish. That's like four times me on stilts. Speaker 4 (10:45) That's like a molasses tsunami, essentially. Yeah, that's why I said... So Speaker 1 (10:49) people literally drowned in molasses. Speaker 4 (10:52) That is crazy. What? How do we not want people to know about this? I don't want to Speaker 2 (10:59) trivialize it, but when someone said to me at the afters yesterday... Because I was like, oh my God, I'm going to die. And they went, oh, that's a good combo. How would you want to die? That is, there are worse ways to go. Speaker 4 (11:10) I completely agree. As in to go like that to me, as in it's horrible. The worst disaster. For Speaker 2 (11:15) death Speaker 4 (11:15) in general. Yes, but to die Speaker 2 (11:17) in molasses. So here's a quote. This is what Jack sent me. Molasses waist deep covered the street and swirled and bubbled about the wreckage. Here and there struggled to form. Struggled to form. Like a Speaker 1 (11:31) life form. Whether Speaker 2 (11:33) it was animal or human being was impossible to tell. Only an upheaval, a thrashing about in the sticky mass showed where any life was. Horses died like so many flies on sticky flypaper. The more they struggled, the deeper in the mess they were ensnared. Human beings, men and women, suffered likewise. Isn't that actually crazy? I cannot believe that Speaker 4 (11:54) this is... Speaker 2 (11:54) And do we think it was really hot too? Speaker 1 (11:56) From my understanding... The reason this happened was that it had been, so it was in this huge, huge tower. Right. I can picture. Like the crazy vats. I'm imagining Speaker 4 (12:07) like the series of unfortunate events, Olaf's Tower. Correct, correct. Speaker 1 (12:10) Like that. So really high big fats full of this molasses being stored. And it was really, really, it'd been really cold in the night, like minus temperatures. Right. And then it was an unseasonably hot day the next day. And they think that like. Expansion teams. Yeah, thermal expansion. And people like reported hearing like cracking and. bolt like rivets popping out of this oh my god so then when this stuff all flowed out some of this molasses was really hot and some of it was really cold because there's so much of it like stuff in the middle was really cold and and like gloopy and the stuff was like really runny and so when all this stuff started coming out you had a mixture of really like warm runny molasses but then all this like really thick viscous stuff and like this just spilled out everywhere and like obviously this tower i think was like 40, 50 feet high. And so that's why, like, when it all came out, it was like a wave. Are Speaker 4 (13:01) there pictures of this? I'm going to go and do my own research. There's Speaker 1 (13:06) a picture of the wreckage, which we can post up. It's like a black and white photo. It just literally looks like a bomb went off. What? Speaker 4 (13:15) I can't believe that this is a real thing. I Speaker 1 (13:18) know. Speaker 4 (13:18) Wow. Speaker 1 (13:20) There's a final... Speaker 1 (13:23) bit on the the cleanup like specific about the cleanup and they had to use like salt water from a fire boat to wash away the molasses and sand to like absorb it all i was Speaker 4 (13:34) gonna say how does one like put together a molasses cleanup because if you think about sometimes have you ever got like too much honey on runny honey on your counter oh Speaker 2 (13:44) that's it you just have to sell your counter on move house Speaker 4 (13:46) it's the hardest thing in the world to like clean up anything it's like of that Viscosity. Viscosity. I love the word viscous. Speaker 2 (13:55) Viscosity. Speaker 4 (13:57) The fact that after all that, I didn't get to say hello. Well, Speaker 2 (14:02) go on then. Speaker 4 (14:04) I follow that. You brought it up now, Speaker 2 (14:07) didn't you? Speaker 4 (14:07) I've not got a five-part monologue to, like, return. Nor Speaker 2 (14:09) have Speaker 4 (14:09) I. I Speaker 2 (14:09) didn't quite realise we'd be able to talk about molasses for so long. But it is because of Miss Alster. I'm glad that we got that. Well, I Speaker 4 (14:15) was just going to say, hi, I'm an asparagus. Speaker 4 (14:21) There is a reason behind this. Go Speaker 2 (14:23) on then. Speaker 4 (14:23) It's because. Speaker 2 (14:24) Your wee smells. Your wee does always smell because you're dehydrated. Speaker 4 (14:28) Okay. Anyway, go on. No need to show that to the public. Actually, I am always dehydrated. I am really working on it. I forget to drink. I Speaker 2 (14:34) know. It's the Speaker 4 (14:35) weirdest thing. Like, I just don't remember to drink. I remember to eat. You Speaker 2 (14:38) don't Speaker 4 (14:38) forget to drink tequila though. Speaker 2 (14:40) Tequila-y. I think we need to retrain your brain to imagine that each to all is tequila. That everything is a spicy margarita. Oh, perfect. Or Speaker 4 (14:47) is Speaker 2 (14:47) agave. Imagine water is agave and you'd be down in that like. Oh Speaker 4 (14:51) my God, I'd be a picture of Andrea Shah. Anyway, the reason why I said, hello, I'm an asparagus is because Chris, my man, recently got a 23andMe test done. And he's 90 % asparagus. Well, in true Chris fashion, he got his results back and literally... didn't tell me. And I was just like, that's quite a big thing, like, to look through your, like, ancestry DNA and stuff. I think it's really interesting. I'd like, that'd be the first thing I'd be like, oh my God, let's have a look. And we were sitting, sitting there and he was like, oh yeah, yeah, I got those results back and it said something about, you either have a predisposition to having smelly asparagus weed or not. Oh. Yeah. I just thought it was a thing. Yes, same. So anyway, we're talking about it. Something else. Very, very breaking news. Here's me thinking Chris was just a white man. Well, he is, but... This Speaker 2 (15:46) is... My Speaker 4 (15:47) man is 20 % Italian! Speaker 2 (15:52) So literally white. Speaker 4 (15:54) White, yes. Very simple! I went, wow! I went, that's sexy tea. Spicy Speaker 2 (16:00) white teas. Big time. I had no idea. I thought you were going to say, because... Demi Lovato did hers once and she was like, oh my God, yay, I'm 1 % African. Yeah. I swear that's what it was. And the fact Speaker 4 (16:11) that obviously everyone knows that like when it gets to 1 % of anything, it's all just like kind of hocus pocus anyway. That is really funny. Did she actually put that up as an actual thing? Speaker 2 (16:23) It's still live on her Twitter. She's not Speaker 4 (16:27) even been asked to take that down? Speaker 2 (16:28) On... Christmas, oh no, not Christmas Day. I saw 25th, 25th of February, 2017. And I'm 1 % African with three exclamation marks. Speaker 2 (16:37) That's Speaker 4 (16:37) a Speaker 2 (16:37) black queen right there. That's a black queen right there. That is great. I've Speaker 4 (16:40) just seen everyone's reaction comments. Just like black memes. Giggly, giggly, like Speaker 2 (16:46) wow, okay. What the Speaker 4 (16:48) hell? Speaker 2 (16:48) Yeah. But Speaker 4 (16:49) yeah, isn't that exciting? Speaker 2 (16:50) So he has the thing where... His name Speaker 4 (16:52) is Stefano. He is an Italian man. And he aims Speaker 2 (16:57) to Speaker 4 (16:58) facilitate Speaker 2 (16:59) and remain observatory. Speaker 4 (17:01) I need to watch that film again because I keep fluffing that bit. Speaker 2 (17:04) Well... Good segue there, actually. Do you know why? Speaking of Noel Edmonds. My drinks here in drag. My Speaker 4 (17:11) drinks Speaker 2 (17:11) here. That was a quote from the series Unfortunate Events, Moover. And where did we... I can't believe we've taken Speaker 4 (17:19) on this long. We've talked Speaker 2 (17:20) about... To get to... Guys, the Speaker 4 (17:23) live Speaker 2 (17:23) show! Oh my goodness gracious. So, last weekend... was the live show and it was pretty it was pretty it was pretty obvious we mentioned about serious unfortunate events because the whole concept of the show was it was a year of having the podcast and weirdly which was never the actual plan obviously we wanted it to be around about a year but the date that we did the gig which was 19th of september 2026 was exactly a year to the day that we released our first jack and ash show video freaky woo coincidence i think not they're on nefarious spirits totally agree necromancers what's Speaker 4 (18:00) a necromancer oh Speaker 2 (18:02) like a like a shadow dancing with yeah well necro is like death oh Speaker 4 (18:05) i was gonna say because necrosis is what i got when i got that at spider bite 100 Speaker 2 (18:10) yes on Speaker 4 (18:11) my legs so i Speaker 2 (18:11) was Speaker 4 (18:11) like necro i know what that means and Speaker 2 (18:14) necrophiliac is people who Speaker 4 (18:16) yes yes yes yes necromancer is quite yeah so it's like Speaker 2 (18:20) like all that kind of dark dancer of the night Speaker 4 (18:23) yeah and is there a bit of that in um sinners is there Is it necromancy or maybe not? I feel like the whole thing is a bit that, isn't it? Well, it is in Speaker 2 (18:30) Princess and the Frog. So we really will have to watch that together because that's like the voodoo man. Like all the afterworld Speaker 4 (18:37) spirit stuff. Oh, there's afterworld spirit stuff in Princess and the Frog. It's not what I thought it was. Do you think it was all Speaker 2 (18:44) light bite? Speaker 4 (18:45) Yes, that sounded like the Plot of Corkor. Speaker 2 (18:48) That's not like necromancy. That's just more like, that's like sweet after that. Speaker 4 (18:53) Yeah. Oh, okay. Whereas this is a bit Speaker 2 (18:54) like, ooh. Oh, is it spooky? I did think that was very spooky. Speaker 4 (18:57) Anyway, guys, we had the best live show ever. It Speaker 2 (19:00) was at Omyar's. And there was a, so the concept of the show was, it was a year of the show. And so we were celebrating by baking a cake, but we wanted the help of the audience. to choose what the best ingredients were to make the perfect cake. But obviously in true us fashion, it wasn't like eggs and sugar and butter. It was queer joy, music and bestie dictionary. And one of the bits in that was this undiscovered gem that we'd actually forgotten about that Professor Jack found on our YouTube channel that we'd made years ago. It is hidden now, but we may be. Have Speaker 4 (19:33) we re-hidden it? No, it's Speaker 2 (19:35) been hidden. Speaker 4 (19:36) Yeah, no, I know. But I thought maybe we made it live. No, it's not been made live. Thank God. Speaker 2 (19:40) But I think maybe if people care about it, maybe we'll trickle Speaker 4 (19:43) it Speaker 2 (19:43) in at some point. Basically, there was a video where Ash and I were going through complete psychosis just after X Factor in like 2018. As in we'd fallen on Speaker 4 (19:50) like... Speaker 2 (19:50) We Speaker 4 (19:50) didn't know what Speaker 2 (19:50) we were doing with our lives. Hard times. We'd Speaker 4 (19:52) really fallen on hard times to the point where like this is the time in my life where I had a constant tab open on Jack's bank account. Speaker 2 (19:59) Because you had so many parking fines. I had so many Speaker 4 (20:02) parking fines. I couldn't afford to do... anything and like Jack was like I can't just have a mate that like can't go out ever or do anything so I just he was my angel investor for that time I was really bad Speaker 2 (20:12) yeah I was and you had all those debt collectors saved as like dickhead do not answer in your phone and you were just evading them either evading Speaker 4 (20:20) them or trying to Speaker 2 (20:20) fuck them yeah because Speaker 4 (20:21) to get the debts down there was basically a time where I thought okay this is not evading the law is not working. No, it's Speaker 2 (20:30) not. Let's try Speaker 4 (20:31) and be on top of the law, if you know what I mean. Oh, Speaker 2 (20:33) yeah, Speaker 4 (20:33) I do. I'm all beneath it. So then I'd just change my WhatsApp photos to like kind of fit one. Obviously at the time, not fit at all. No. And I'd be like, hey, biab. Biab. Hey, biab. Biab, biab, biab. Hey, biab. Can't make today's payment. Really sorry. But Speaker 2 (20:48) I Speaker 4 (20:48) can make it work. Falling on hard times. And then to me, it'd be like, let me see my latest pic. Speaker 2 (20:54) Could you knock a fiver off, please? Speaker 4 (20:57) None of them went for it. No, which is such Speaker 2 (21:00) a surprise. Such a Speaker 4 (21:01) surprise. When you look like that. Yeah, isn't it? Speaker 2 (21:03) Such a shunder. Speaker 4 (21:04) Oh, it was such Speaker 3 (21:05) a shunder. Speaker 4 (21:06) It was Speaker 3 (21:06) really out of order. Speaker 2 (21:07) So, this one was me pretending to be a casting director and Ash walking in with, I was almost about to say wig. Whoa. Whoa. For those of you who are on the Patreon or at the live show, you'll know obviously that quite often we like to wear things atop our head. Yes. But we don't like to use the W word. We like to call that natural hair. So Ash had on this natural hair unit, which was a fry I took when it was like a bald. Yes. And came in and basically was playing the role of Count Olaf from Series of Unfortunate Events. And it was