Advice for High-Achieving Women Facing Burnout

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In this powerful live episode of The Boss Babe Podcast, host Natalie Ellis and guest Lori Harder convene a panel of high-achieving female en

Key takeaways

• Authenticity is not just a personal choice but a responsibility to others who need your unique voice.
• Consistency over time—despite lack of immediate results—is essential for building influence and trust.

Main topics

• Overcoming burnout in entrepreneurship
• The power of authenticity and visibility

Notable quotes

"If you don't learn how to transform your pain, you will transfer it." – Koya Webb

Conclusion

True freedom in business comes not from endless hustle, but from courage, consistency,

Transcript preview

Speaker 5 (0:00) Welcome back to the Boss Babe podcast. Okay, I have another live episode coming to you because we did the conversation between me and Laurie. And at this book launch event, me and Laurie also brought out an amazing panel. And this panel took a turn that I wasn't expecting. I'm going to be honest, I thought this was going to be a panel on building business. It was anything but that. So let me just first tell you who's in the room. Jen Gottlieb wrote the book on visibility and is one of the best speakers I have ever watched. She's currently growing like 60,000 followers a month on Instagram, about half a million in the last few months alone. She's just crossed a million followers. Lindsay is the founder of Powerhouse Women, which just turned 10 years. She fills a room with hundreds and hundreds of women per year, completely organically. no ads, and she will tell you why that works and how she does it. Lindsay Marie is one of the most powerful community builders I've ever met. And Koya Webb is a wellness teacher and breathwork practitioner. She built Get Loved Up and her new book, Wellbeing Rituals, is about the rituals that bring you back to yourself and regulation when it feels like nothing else is working. So there's a few things that took a turn that I wasn't expecting. Jen opening up about being willing to be seen, which I think is something a lot of people struggle with, especially with social media. Lindsay gets really real about how it feels like everything falls apart before something really big happens. We all have heard the breakdown comes for the breakthrough, but her story on this is actually really powerful. And then Koya. Talks about something really, really powerful and she calls it wisdom in your wounds. So how the thing that you reach for when life knocks you down shows you exactly where the work is. It's a really honest conversation. A friend read my book right before this event and told me something that stuck. He said, this is a business book, yes, but what people actually get at the end is freedom of time and freedom of mind. It's a mindset book, but it talks about business. And I thought that was really, really interesting because I do talk a lot about mindset and nervous system. So it makes sense also that this is where this panel went. It was really, really good and had a lot of women in the room in tears for all of the good reasons. So with that, let's jump in. Speaker 4 (2:20) All right. We're so excited you guys are here. Thank you for coming all like all the way. You guys are coming from all over to support us. And I think that those are the most fun text messages is when you when you're thinking of people and you send them and you're like, they might say no, I don't know, they could say no. And then you get yeses back. And it's like, absolutely. I can't wait. I can't wait to celebrate you. And it's like, that's literally the best feeling as a friend as a woman as being supported in business like this. So I know on behalf of behalf. Behalf of both of us. We're really grateful that you guys are here. So I'm going to start with Jen. So Jen, we've been talking about this. You're known for being one of the best public speakers out there, along with Erin King. Where is she? What, what? But truly one of the best public speakers. I've seen you so many times and it never gets old. You only get better. I can't wait to watch you again. I get to watch you again really soon. But now you have like... out of nowhere, been growing your social by 30 to 60,000 people a month, like you are in a race to a million, you're going to be there tomorrow, basically. And it's been everyone give her a follow. Yeah, let's get that needle moving. Exactly. And you know, out of all that, how many of you like have people that you watch for inspiration? But it's kind of like you keep saying yourself, but I can't do it like them. One of the things that I'm really inspired by with Jen is that she's showing people, number one, how you can do it like her. And you found a way that's really authentic. And it's giving me so much hope again. So with that said, I would love to know, like, tell me where your passion for the belief of being seen, having people be seen, and also kind of what reignited that came Speaker 2 (4:06) from. Hi, guys. Speaker 2 (4:11) So the fact that we're here celebrating Earn Your Happy is really monumental for me. And that you just asked me about being seen and why it's important to be seen and why this means something to me and why I wrote a book about visibility. Really, because back in the day, about almost, I would say about nine years ago, nine years ago, I was a personal trainer. That was my first company back in Manhattan. And I would spend hours and hours and hours walking up and down the streets of New York, just like going to my clients. from five in the morning to nine o'clock at night. And I was listening to podcasts. The podcast, the only podcast that I could find. And the only podcast that I could find was this pretty pink podcast that said, earn your happy on it with this beautiful blonde girl. And I'm like, oh my gosh. And I look her up on the internet and she's this like fitness girl and she's a personal trainer and she's gorgeous. And she has a podcast. And I'm like, this is amazing. I want to be her. And I find this girl, Lori Harder, and she talks to me all day long as I walk up and down the streets of Manhattan. And I remember visualizing, one day I will meet Lori Harder. One day I will know her. What would I even say to her if I met her? She was like a friend in my head. And I would always say to myself, if Lori can do it, I can do it. She had no idea who the hell I was. I was just this girl out there building a business. And I would watch her on social media. And I would listen to her podcast. And she empowered me without even realizing that she was empowering me. Just like Natalie, what you were talking about earlier. Think about the girl that you're helping. Think about that one girl you're talking to. Lori had no idea that she was talking to me. And she was empowering me one day at a time because she had the courage to be seen. Because she had the courage to pick up the microphone, even though she had anxiety. I didn't know that. I'm Speaker 3 (5:50) like, she's so confident. I need to be more Speaker 2 (5:52) confident like Lori. So because somebody else had the courage to get on a microphone. And to talk about whatever the hell she felt like talking about that day, they all weren't perfect, but I loved every single one of them. I loved the imperfect episodes. I felt like someone was there with me and because she had the courage to do that, I then took her courage and I went out there and I did this. And so you guys, being visible, it's not about you, right? I feel like it's my responsibility to be seen. Because every day that goes by that you're not going out there and being seen and being visible, talking about what you talk about and helping the people that need your help is another day that those people are going to go follow someone else. Or they'll listen to someone else. They'll buy from someone else that's maybe not as good as you or doesn't care as much as you. Maybe he's even AI. He's not even a human. Because you were too nervous or worried about what people would think of you. So... To answer your question, Lori, the reason that visibility is so important to me is because I've experienced it firsthand. You being seen, writing your books, doing your podcasts, gave me the courage to do this. And now I can help other people too. And like I secretly manifested my best friend. Thank Speaker 4 (7:05) God. Speaker 2 (7:06) That Speaker 4 (7:06) happened too. Thank God. If someone is out there waiting for you to be their best friend, so go be seen, would you? But the second part of that question I'd really like to know is also, and thank you so much for that. And it's filmed everybody. So I get to watch it back again and again and again. The second part is what ignited this like second portion of what's happening right now. Cause it's been, I mean, you've been at this for a while, but there was a shift. So tell me a little bit about the shift, why you fell back in love with social. And what's happening? Speaker 2 (7:37) I didn't know. I mean, I've been doing this for a really long time, you guys. I've been going live on Instagram every single day for four and a half years every day, putting my makeup on live. Like I have been, and I want to make sure I say this part because it kind of looks like I like overnight popped and there was this moment and now all of a sudden, I have been doing this for a long time. And there were years where I was posting every single day, going live every single day and nothing was happening. crickets, no movement, no nothing. And I was pushing and I was like, is anybody ever going to see this? Is this ever going to matter? And so I kept going. I think the key is like, Lori, what you were saying also about your podcast is you kept going and you kept going and you kept sticking with commitments that you made with yourself and you build confidence along the way. So it was like social media kind of became like brushing my teeth for me. I didn't go a day without doing it, even if it didn't work. So a reel could shit the bed, an entire day of content could shit the bed. It didn't matter. The next day I was still going to get up and I was going to do it because it was a non-negotiable habit. If you keep doing something again and again and again and again, and it is a non-negotiable habit, you don't make a decision if you're going to do it or not. You just do it. You are eventually going to start winning. You're going to eventually going to start figuring it out. You're going to get a win. And when you start to get wins, you all know how this feels. When you get the dopamine of it working, then you get addicted to doing it. But you got to stay in it long enough to get the dopamine of doing it. So I stayed in it long enough. And eventually I got one that hit, right? We got one viral reel. Holy crap. Okay. I got a viral reel. What did I do? So what I do is I study why did this reel go viral? What did I do here? And then I just do it again. And I do it again until it hits again. So what we're doing is we're compounding. when it hits and when it wins. And we're also compounding the dopamine to inspire us and motivate us because motivation does not come from a motivation fairy that taps you on the head and is like, okay, you're going to love social media now. No, I started to love social media because I played the game long enough to figure out how to win. And every time you get a little win, like, oh, I did that. I did the damn thing. It worked. Oh, now I like this. And then I started getting a little bit more creative with it and having fun. And it's almost like the stock market, right? Like compounding interest. When you've put enough in, all of a sudden it goes like this. And that's what happened. It was a long time in the making, but I've been doing it long enough. So my message to you guys would be, if you're sitting here thinking, why isn't this working? Natalie was right. We've never been in a better time. We have never, this is the moment, you guys. I'm like, this is the, anyone see Jacqueline Hyde, the musical, any Broadway kids? This is the moment. No? Okay. Speaker 4 (10:17) No, Speaker 2 (10:18) wrong room. We'll take your word for it. Wrong room. Okay. We have never. If you guys can pop, I just saw there's this, has anyone seen Kumar? Has anyone watched that real Kumar? Okay, y'all. No, I have to tell you about this really quick. This is important. There is a retired accountant that just decided to hop onto Instagram last week. He has three videos on Instagram. Three. He already has over, I think he's at 800,000 followers now. What? Three videos. He is a retired accountant, an old guy. And he just declared he made these amazingly, these beautiful reels. I'll tell you why they work if you give me more time, but I could go on about this forever. You have as much time as you want. Tell us what's going on. Okay. So you can, it's the Kumar method or something. He makes these videos that are, they're funny. They're beautifully edited and they're like satire. So he's joking and he comes on and he's like, all of the finance bros, I'm Kumar and I have come to take your job. But the best part of the whole video, this is what I want you guys to lean into onto because authenticity is key no matter what. And yes, these videos are professionally edited. They were a lot of work and thought went into them. But the second half of the video, if you watch it long enough, it's like this like really fancy video of this guy, like, you know, with all these like this photo shoot situation, watch it, you'll see. But the second half, it's him and his wife sitting at their desk with like regular lighting. It like looks like crap. And the wife comes in and she's like, please help my husband get famous. Speaker 2 (11:46) Please follow him. So it was like half professionally well done and half authentic, real normal. And I think that is what did it. And so now everybody's watching. Everyone's following Kumar. To close the loop here. He started that page last week. Anybody can do this. If you walk out of here with anything, I want you to walk out of here with two things and then I will shut up and I will stop talking. Number one, it is your responsibility to be visible. Think about me and Lori. Think about anyone that's ever helped you. The reason that you're in this room right now. You're going to meet a new friend today. You're going to get inspired to go out there into the world and do something cool because you heard about this event because someone had the courage to be out on the internet talking about the fact that this event existed. So be that for somebody else. And then the second thing is that this is the moment. Post the video. Post whatever the hell it is. It could be ugly. It could be bad. It could be gross. It doesn't matter. The only bad content is the content that stays in your drafts and doesn't get posted. Because the video that you post that you think is the worst video in the world that's not going to do anything has the power to completely change your life. Kumar's life has changed. Watch. Forever. Forever. So that's it. There Speaker 1 (13:02) you go. Speaker 2 (13:03) Oh, I love that. So good. Speaker 4 (13:06) All right. I'm going to pull some things out of my drafts. You're going to see real soon here. Okay. Speaker 5 (13:11) May we all be like, come on. Speaker 4 (13:15) Ellie, I Speaker 2 (13:15) can't wait for you to see him. Speaker 5 (13:17) I'm so excited. So excited. That's the first thing I'm doing when I get off stage. Speaker 4 (13:21) Steven's going to be coming in the background of Make My Wife Famous. Did you see his Times Square thing when he wore this? Speaker 5 (13:27) So just side tangent, this is so hilarious. So I was like ready to tap out on book launch day. I didn't want to make a big fuss of that day. I really wanted to enjoy it on my own. And my husband was like, I'll do the promo for you. You take the day, I'll do the promo for you. So we put this cardboard cutout saying my wife wrote a book and I thought he was going to go stand in Times Square and take a picture. He spent the entire day walking around New York, convincing people to buy my book. He went into WeWork, he's crying, he's doing Google Translate to the people that don't understand what he's saying. Speaker 5 (14:01) Hilarious. Who's the best? Please share that video because he will love that. Speaker 4 (14:05) I mean, our husbands need to take notes. Just saying, Chris Harder. Okay. All right, Lindsay, you are also celebrating this year 10 years of Powerhouse Women, which is absolutely incredible. You guys, this event, who's been to her event before? Raise your hand. How amazing is it? It's one of my favorite events of the entire year. I mean, 800 women from all over the world. And I have had events. I know what it takes to get 800 people in a room. That's mind blowing, first of all. Second, you truly are somebody who, as I've watched you go through all of the things that you have been through. Just this massive evolution since I have met you when we were little babies. You know... You have become a