Drake Mayday, a Raiders Revival, Bleakest 0-3 Teams, MLB Playoffs, and Guess the Lines With Cousin Sal

The Bill Simmons Podcast

Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal recap a chaotic NFL Week 3, highlighting significant upsets and poor quarterback performances. They analyze vari

Key takeaways

• Matthew Stafford's performance in the Rams-Broncos game was marred by a costly pick-six.
• The 'Drake Maybe' nickname is circulating due to Drake Maye's inconsistent play.

Main topics

• NFL Week 3 Recap
• Quarterback Performance Analysis

Notable quotes

Drake maybe not.

Conclusion

The episode provides a comprehensive, albeit frustrated, look at the v

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Speaker 2 (0:00) The Bill Simmons Podcast is presented by FanDuel. The NFL is here and it's the most rewarding season ever on FanDuel with the all-time FanDuel Rewards Club. Every eligible bet can earn you points. Win or lose, you still get points. The more points, the bigger the rewards you can unlock. Head to FanDuel.com slash BS to start earning with FanDuel Rewards Club. 21 plus select states are 18 plus DC or Wyoming. Get in a problem, call 1-800-GAMBLER, call 888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat in Connecticut. Speaker 2 (1:02) This stream is brought to you by the farmer's dog, the official pet food of the NFL, the bill Simmons podcast live on Netflix. It is almost midnight here on the East coast. Cousin Sal and I he's in New York. I'm in Boston. The only thing we were hoping for was no overtime game or no long Rams Broncos game. And we got it. We got a nice long one. I'm groggy. Both of our teams had horrible days should mention. New rewatchable is coming tomorrow. 13 going on 30. And you're going to be on ringer wise guys all week. There you go. All right. Before we get to our pathetic teams and a day of mostly a bloodbath from a gambling standpoint, Rams Broncos. What a fun game. That was good. Good times. Broncos scored 30 points in the second half. We had a Fonga pick six. We had a Stafford TD bomb. And then we had the sketchiest call of the season, a Rams PI that, uh, that kept a Broncos drive alive. That, uh, did not seem like a PI when it happened. And then on the replay, it definitely was in a PI. It was such a bad call that Terry McCullough, they go to him in the, in the, in the booth. He's like, yeah, I don't think that was PI, which never happened. So he Speaker 1 (2:21) quit. He turned in his resignation. What is that? What's that word? Okay. Resignation? Yeah. Yeah, and it looked like it was that call was like in the second row. I'm like, he's not getting that, but what is that nonsense? But yeah, I mean, Bill, you're just, you're not going to see Matthew Stafford make too many mistakes. Thanks, Chris. Speaker 2 (2:40) I know he was MVP last year. I love Collins. Oh, Matthew Stafford throws a pick six. And then Tirico gives us the, Matthew Stafford, our career leader in pick six is at 33. Speaker 1 (2:53) Did they stop the game? They should have stopped the game. They stopped the game and then Speaker 2 (2:57) they gave Speaker 1 (2:57) the trophy to somebody else running the other way. Speaker 2 (2:59) How does Jameis Winston not own that? Maybe he can get it this year. Speaker 1 (3:02) Yeah, right. That Speaker 2 (3:02) should be one of his goals. So, look, the Rams are now 1-2. I'm not that worried about them. And we've seen that Denver playbook before where a team takes lead in the first half and then the altitude and Bo Nix does the Jekyll and Hyde thing. I feel like I've watched that game 12 times in the last two years. He's got to lead the league in the last two years in almost picks that get dropped. Speaker 1 (3:27) And Speaker 2 (3:28) Denver wins. Denver's 2-1. I'm not worried about the Rams yet. Are you? Speaker 1 (3:33) No, not really. I thought they played well. I took them first half only because of the... Really, I don't know. I don't think there's a script in the NFL, but I did feel like, well, this is a Bo Nix comeback. I don't know why it takes them to the third quarter to wake up. Why didn't you do the South special? Did Speaker 2 (3:50) you look at it? Yeah, Speaker 1 (3:51) I should have. I should have. I should have gone Rams first half. Speaker 2 (3:53) Plus 850, right? Speaker 1 (3:55) Yeah, that wouldn't have been bad. But yeah, they both play well. Look, I'm rooting for teams that I like to see now. because I think there's going to be some lousy opportunities for lousy teams to sneak it, like the Raiders and who else in the AFC that could be. Oh, my God. There's so much bad football Speaker 2 (4:12) today. Yeah. That's the thing. The Rams, even though Knicks was terrible in the first half, but it did feel like a football game, Speaker 1 (4:19) which did Speaker 2 (4:21) not have much Speaker 1 (4:22) in common with a lot of the stuff that we watched today. I mean, Speaker 2 (4:25) probably Bucks-Vikings was the nadir. It was just three plays punt, three plays punt, going back and forth. Nobody could do anything, but a lot to talk about. I was Speaker 1 (4:36) thinking this week especially, you usually get one of the top five guys make a move more towards the top of the MVP rankings. Today, like Stafford was okay, you know, but also bad at times. Mahomes, right? Josh Allen probably had what would be like a bad Josh Allen game. I don't know if I'm... forgetting anybody, but it was a good day for Jameer Gibbs, I guess, climbing up the MVP ranks. Speaker 2 (5:02) Yeah, Jameer Gibbs. There's some good historical stuff with him. Well, I think that would have been a worse loss for Denver than a worse loss for the Rams. Because I don't know what's going on in the AFC, but there's... it feels like at least six teams that are going to be in double figures for wins. And then we don't know what we're getting with the Patriots and a couple other, and the Texans are open three now, but it feels like the NFC is a little more wide open here. Where are winning quarterbacks today included Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota. Deshaun of the Dead, Deshaun Watson, Kirk Cousins, Kyler Murray, and washed Aaron Rodgers. All Ws today. So if you wondered if the general Speaker 1 (5:45) public won in gambling today, there's your answer. They didn't. No. Yeah, Speaker 2 (5:48) I Speaker 1 (5:48) think this was almost impossible to win. But add to that, just too heartbreaking. Our team should be relegated from the NFL losses. And then it's like, yeah, from the NFL. But, you know, get six hours later at midnight, I get to talk about it with my buddy. We could all relive it. Speaker 2 (6:06) You still seem shell-shocked. We have, so I mentioned the six QBs at one. We have Daniels, Caleb, and Darter all hurt. And we have Herbert, May, Nix, and Mayfield. Although Nix rallied in the second half of this game. We're all definitely kind of struggling. But the 0-3 teams now, Dolphins and Titans would have predicted that. Do you want to cross off the Titans now? We crossed off the Dolphins last week. Speaker 1 (6:29) Yeah, I almost don't think it's fair to put the Dolphins in a class by themselves. Yeah, Speaker 2 (6:34) make room. Speaker 1 (6:36) Yeah, for Speaker 2 (6:36) sure. So Titans are our second cross-off team. The Bucs are 0-3. Chargers are 0-3, which is certainly surprising. Not improbable, but surprising. Texans 0-3 is shocking. I don't really fully understand it. So we'll talk about that game in a second. Then we have two... Speaker 1 (6:53) Bucks, Speaker 2 (6:53) Chargers, Speaker 1 (6:54) Texans were the team, like, expected to get it to double digits, right? Yeah, three sexy Speaker 2 (7:00) preseason picks. Then Speaker 1 (7:01) we have two teams that I think are officially reeling, the Patriots and Speaker 2 (7:04) the Green Bay Packers. If you look at the missed playoff stuff, the Patriots are even odds right now in FanDuel to miss the playoffs, plus 100. Saw that. I don't really understand that. I thought it was going to be like plus or minus like 170, something like that. Jacksonville's plus 188 to miss the playoffs. Cincinnati's plus 260. And then in the NFC, Seattle's plus 190. Minnesota's plus 200. Detroit's plus 205. So everybody's feeling out where we're going. You Speaker 1 (7:35) want to start with your team or my team? Sure. Let's get it out of Speaker 2 (7:37) the Speaker 1 (7:37) way. I mean, I don't know. Well, also, I don't know what to say. Speaker 2 (7:42) All right. We'll do your team. Speaker 1 (7:43) Yeah. Speaker 1 (7:45) A clock management Speaker 2 (7:47) strategy fiasco so bad that Mike Tomlin said, fuck it. Speaker 1 (7:51) Yeah. I know on TV there's like a rule in place that the coaches aren't supposed to skewer the other coaches. Speaker 2 (7:57) And he's been great at halftime in the NBC game tonight. Killed Dallas on punting it for a touchback, leaving the door open for the 27-yard pass to set up the field goal. And didn't even mention all the other stuff that you had first and goal from the one who somehow went backwards. You somehow didn't burn enough clock that even set up the kickoff in the first place. Then he did the one thing he couldn't do was the touchback out of bounds. But this has been the Brian Schottenheimer. I know he's rallied the team. Everybody likes him. But the game management has been bad this entire time, right? Speaker 1 (8:31) Yeah. I mean, I think you just covered it. Okay, let's do your team now. And then... First off, Mike Tomlin is great. excellent so far. He's great. He's been great. It almost makes me mad. I want to shake him. Like, damn it, you're stuck in there for nine and eight for every year. Like, we could have had like 10 years of you. Like, you know, this would have been fun. That's Speaker 2 (8:51) a Speaker 1 (8:51) great point. Why Speaker 2 (8:52) didn't we get this in like 2018? You're just Speaker 1 (8:54) coaching nine and eight teams and shit quarterbacks for almost a decade. Roethlisberger throwing screen passes to the fullback for the last four years of his career. Yeah, this is disgusting. And they lost to the Giants. So that was a different kind of loss because you just don't like losing to the Giants. But I forgot what it was really like for a Cowboys loss. And I think part of Speaker 2 (9:14) it... Speaker 1 (9:14) Because they sucked you in with the goal line stand. Yeah. That's where you were like, oh, this is a Speaker 2 (9:19) different Cowboys team. Here we go. We're growing some chest hair right now. And then you blew it. Speaker 1 (9:25) They stopped Eric Henry, right, in the second half. Like, oh, this is great. This is it. And this is how the Ravens are supposed to lose. This is how they did it with Harbaugh. This is Speaker 2 (9:32) how Speaker 1 (9:32) they're doing it with the new coach. Like, they're up double digits. Like, this is... And then I'm like, oh, yeah, this is how the Cowboys lose games, too. I completely forgot. And, you know, I was watching a bunch of rowdy Cowboys fans and the fans all over the place out here. But, you know, I thought the clock management was okay until the last few seconds. Schottheimer was bad. with the kickoff and the timeout and everything else towards the end. But Dak screwed that up. Like, I haven't wanted to blame him for a loss in a while, but he's got pickings wide open, right, at the pylon, and he sells it into the sixth row. But that was on third down. Yeah. The Speaker 2 (10:09) first down Speaker 1 (10:09) play, Speaker 2 (10:10) if you're going to attack it play by play, you have to run the ball on first down to at least get the clock moving. Right. Which they, instead they threw like that, you know, low percentage corner pass. They don't get it. Then he takes the delay game or whatever, whatever happened, false start where they had to move back six yards. Then he gets basically sacked. Then they have to do the Pickens play where he was just, I didn't even know what that play was because he was open. It was the touchdown. Speaker 1 (10:36) Well, he's taught to throw it away. He's taught to throw it away if he doesn't like what he sees. So you don't like a wide open receiver. Yeah, you get rid of that. He didn't like Speaker 2 (10:45) wide open George Pickens ready to catch the touchdown? Yeah, knock over Speaker 1 (10:48) a concession guy. Yeah, that's what you have to do. And then on the kickoff, man, I know it was like Schottenheimer, like you could have gotten it down to like five seconds or less, you know, but I almost feel like Brandon Aubrey has to be the smartest guy on the team. So also kick that to the two, you know, just do Speaker 2 (11:04) it. Speaker 1 (11:04) Right, you have the Speaker 2 (11:05) best kickoff guy in the league. Right, Speaker 1 (11:06) yeah. Best everything as soon as his foot hits that ball. So I really didn't think, I was shocked that they ran a play there. It really looked like at first the Ravens were going to bunch up. and just take a knee or something, and then take their chances in overtime. And I wasn't even really doing the math on just a long completion in bounds, but there's so much wrong with that. I know receivers can give themselves up, and then the clock stops automatically, but why are you even touching him down with seven seconds left in the middle of the field? Tom did a good Speaker 2 (11:37) job talking about the umbrella coverage versus what they did and how stupid it was, basically. Speaker 1 (11:42) Yeah, it did not occur to me that they would be able to kick a field goal there. There was so little time, and I've watched so many games, and it was, in fact, like back-to-back field goals in 10 seconds had never, I don't think, happened before. I think that's the stat for that. So there Speaker 2 (11:58) you go. Speaker 1 (11:58) Also, it's not like they're a Speaker 2 (11:59) kicker. It's not like they have Justin Tucker in the late 2010s here. This kicker was pretty embattled in the preseason. Yeah. He's playing on a weird field in Brazil. I actually didn't think he was going to make it. All of a sudden, the game's over, and he's running into the corner like he's a soccer player. And the good news for you, I think, from a Dallas standpoint is I thought those teams were pretty interchangeable and pretty even. Speaker 1 (12:23) Yeah, sure. Like, you're not a top-level team, but you're definitely Speaker 2 (12:26) circling between second and third level, I think. Oh, Speaker 1 (12:30) that's Speaker 2 (12:30) good. Speaker 1 (12:30) Because Speaker 2 (12:30) you can move the ball and you can get stops. Speaker 1 (12:31) Third level of hell, maybe. Speaking of, the worst is I have to hear Jason Garrett's. He's the first voice I hear after the loss. I know. I'd much rather hear yours and Kyle's. Like, I don't know. Anybody's. Just awful. Well, so where did you watch the game? Can we get a little Speaker 2 (12:46) intel on you in New York City? Because Speaker 1 (12:48) you're in Brooklyn because Jimmy's got shows in Brooklyn all week. So you're there. Jimmy came alive all week. Yeah, Monday through Friday out here. We always go to a bar in Brooklyn. And the bar, I reserve like a little room with like four tables. And it's nice. They put the games on however I want. It was going to be a little challenging today because the Jets and Giants played at one, which we hadn't dealt with before. But I was excited. And then the guy calls me at like... 8.30, the bar owner is like, we're closed. Too much flooding. I'm like, oh, shit. 8.30 is like 5.30 in the morning because I just got here yesterday. I'm like, oh, my God. So now I'm scrambling. I'm like, is there a Dave and Buster's? What do I do here? So my buddy, Brother Bri, you know Brother Bri? I got in an Uber. I went to Long Island. I watched with the Parley Kid, Mikey Meatballs, and all my friends back home. So that was it. Oh, Speaker 2 (13:37) you did that? Yeah. That's great. That's good. It's good. We all got together. Speaker 1 (13:41) I think that's Speaker 2 (13:41) a Speaker 1 (13:41) good Speaker 2 (13:41) win. Speaker 1 (13:41) I Speaker 2 (13:42) mean, if you'd been at the bar and the Cowboys had won, you could have done the De Niro. Speaker 1 (13:48) Drinks are on the Speaker 2 (13:49) house. That's right. Yeah, Speaker 1 (13:52) right. Yeah. Not even close. Too much flooding. Speaker 2 (13:56) So you got to experience actual, real, genuine sadness with some of your oldest friends. Speaker 1 (14:01) Yeah, it's actually important, I think, every decade or so. Speaker 2 (14:04) How about you? Where did you watch? Speaker 1 (14:06) That's a great story. Speaker 2 (14:07) I was in Boston. I watched a game with my dad. Speaker 1 (14:10) And Speaker 2 (14:10) I wrote down some of his quotes during the game. I'm guessing your game. The Jacksonville. Jacksonville. He was very excited about the game. I did not think we were going to win. I took the Jags and ringer 107 and I thought something was seriously wrong with Drake May. His quotes in order. It's like I'm watching Mac Jones again. That was an actual quote. I think Diana Rossini ruined our season. He said that. Should we try DeVito? Question mark. Dead serious. And then sadly, near the end, he said, he looked at me and he goes, you know. It was so exciting to have a franchise quarterback, even if it was only for one year. Talked about past tense. It's completely out. We don't know what's going on with our quarterback. He has, I think, what's the number? Nine fumbles and 10 interceptions in his last seven games. Speaker 1 (15:09) Dating back Speaker 2 (15:09) to the start of the postseason. And Drake maybe is now done. Like people were sending me emails. Speaker 1 (15:14) Drake, maybe not. Speaker 2 (15:16) Drake, maybe Mac Jones. Drake maybe getting benched. There's been a bunch of these now and this is your big victory today. Speaker 1 (15:24) Well, yeah. I mean, if you're revving up for an apology, you don't have to. That's my birthday gift to you. Don't even bother apologizing. I actually felt bad for him a little. Like when a hostage taker all of a sudden has feelings for the hostage. Oh. I think that's how Speaker 2 (15:40) it happened. You Speaker 1 (15:40) wanted to Speaker 2 (15:41) sneak him a ham and cheese sandwich. Yeah. I want Speaker 1 (15:43) to help you. I want to help you out a little bit. This is tough, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let me take that Speaker 2 (15:49) duct tape off for a second. Speaker 1 (15:50) Just for a second. Don't tell anybody. So, I mean, I don't know what, you know, I guess you should have talked to your dad about turning to that Chambliss, CJ Carr, Arch Manning, or your Darian Mensah guy. Like, which way are you looking? I'm looking out for your team now. I want to help. Speaker 2 (16:07) Doug Claussen on Twitter said the Pats offense this year has 29 points on 30 drives, which is 0.97 per drive. Fewest. Point total for any team through three games since the 2021 Jets in the first three starts of Zach Wilson's career. That's how bad this has been. And some of the worst decision interceptions. It doesn't seem like he's practiced with any of the receivers. The plays and the play calling matched with the personnel we have doesn't seem to work. We were predicting our plays from the couch, which is always a bad sign. Speaker 1 (16:44) It's Speaker 2 (16:44) like second and four inside run. I don't know what they're doing with Trevion Henderson, who's the most exciting running out on the side, screen pass, swing pass, sweep. All we do is run him inside so he can get knocked down, you know, for two yards of carry. Romeo Dobbs is on pace to become the most disliked Boston athlete in the last five years, including all the Red Sox Celtics Bruins guys. And May just has no confidence at all. And looking at his press conferences after makes it even worse. He's going out there. He's like, yeah, I'm a mess. He's basically saying like, I'm a mess. I don't know what's going on. Speaker 1 (17:19) I can't, Speaker 2 (17:19) I got to fix this. I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing. He's missing throws that he made for four straight months last year. And just doesn't look comfortable. Jacksonville's defense is terrible. It's just not a good defense. People were lighting it up. I'm going to say it's in the bottom 10 to 12 defenses in the league. Really? And he made them Speaker 1 (17:39) look awesome. Yeah. It is tough when you can't explain what's going on with your team. My team is like, well, this is our team. This is what we do all the time. Your team is like... I don't know. Oh, you really wanted to pick up where you left off in the regular season, right? And then just consider the three, four-week playoff. Yeah, and it's like he's healthy. The offensive Speaker 2 (18:00) line's better. Now, he doesn't have A.J. Brown, so he doesn't have... Speaker 1 (18:04) Right. Last year, he had Speaker 2 (18:05) Diggs. Didn't have him last year. Speaker 1 (18:06) Yeah. Last year, he had Diggs and Booty, and Booty was a good deep threat. Speaker 2 (18:10) Diggs was like his over-the-middle, like 10 yards down guy. I don't know who he's throwing to now. Speaker 2 (18:15) But it's weird. It's almost like being a parent when you have kids and you think your kids have, when they're younger and you think your kids have figured it out. And then all of a sudden they start doing stupid shit again. I'm like, wait, why did we go backwards? I thought we graduated to this level and now we're back here. What happened? What did I miss? He's back to where he was as a rookie and I don't understand it. Speaker 1 (18:37) Really? Like really Speaker 2 (18:38) terrible. Like really bad. Like that last interception he threw in the end zone. first of all, he's throwing it to Chisholm, who's like our sixth receiver. And then he's not even open. And he could have run it in. Like every single part of the decision was awful. And I just don't think Jacksonville's defense is good. Like he shouldn't look like that against them. Speaker 1 (18:59) No. No doubt about it. I don't know. I don't even know what to say. I find myself feeling bad for him now. I'll say something snarky on... Twitter once in a while. But also that weird old ghoul Skip Bayless is now claiming Drake Maybe. And so I might move on from that name. They made a commercial of it too. Skip Bayless is doing the Drake Maybe now? Yeah. He says Drake Maybe. And then like in all the comments, it's like, yeah, credit Cousin Sal, credit Cousin Sal. But whatever. I just now it's now it's like yucky. Speaker 2 (19:27) Wow. Yeah. Speaker 1 (19:29) I Speaker 2 (19:29) can feel the shoe polish from his head just dripping off that theft. There you go. The The Pats, in this post-Mike Vrabel, Sedona era, they look sloppy as hell. They look poorly coached. And it looks like he has no feel for the team. And I really do think it all starts with that. And the year from hell team, which I think we have a bunch of candidates this year, starts with the Vrabel-Rossini stuff, goes all the way through. You know, even all the Ed Sheeran stuff with the owner. It's like, what good thing has happened with the Pats? A.J. Brown gets hurt in an hour. Speaker 1 (20:05) The only Speaker 2 (20:06) good thing is they didn't give up this year's first round pick for him. Speaker 1 (20:09) That is good. That's a positive. Speaker 2 (20:11) Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Speaker 1 (20:13) I don't know. Yeah, I think you had somebody write in about the year from hell. And how do you calculate it? I had Brian in Speaker 2 (20:22) Bethesda. He said we have strong contenders, including the Pats, the Bucks, the Packers, and the Chargers for year from hell. And it can't just be performing poorly versus expectations, he wrote. What extent should we weigh factors like the team coach having an affair with a prominent reporter, starting running back, getting arrested for domestic violence, having a washed up DJ for an offensive coordinator or a quarterback who was great last year, but now poops the bed every Sunday. How do you rank the year from hell? It is where we have four teams that have a case and that, and you can say the bucks probably, you know, they, you should be cruising to the NFC South. Baker got hurt at the end of the game. Maybe Bowles gets fired tomorrow? Speaker 1 (21:05) What happens with that? I think they stay with him because now they have this injury thing. I mean, to me, they're gamblers. Just an absolute nightmare. 12 in a row without covering. But, yeah, Speaker 2 (21:16) it's Speaker 1 (21:17) bad. I mean, if you're going to rank them, I think you kind of have to wait until the end of the year because here's how I would do it. I would say four-plus games under win expectation, right? That's one. What you don't have is the—oh, you do have the major injury. You have A.J. Brown. Major injury, I think, is a big thing. And all those teams you mentioned are— on their way to having one, I think. Two to three off-field incidents involving players of the domestic abuse, vehicular assault, walking through a glass door at a whiteout party, whatever. And I think one off-field incident by the owner, GM, or president, maybe even in the preseason. So I would say that. And you cost me $75,000 on parlays. I would put that in there. Speaker 2 (21:59) And multiple bad luck injuries, which the Patriots didn't have. It feels like the Chargers are headed that way. What do you mean you didn't have? A.J. Brown's a bad luck. I mean, I know, but we haven't had like five of those. Oh, all right. Well, Speaker 1 (22:12) now you jinxed it. Speaker 2 (22:13) You know, I was watching the Raiders today, and I don't know if the Raiders thing is sustainable, but they are 3-0. They did spend some money this offseason, right? They got Quay Walker. They got N'Kobe Lane. They got, what was the other one they bought? Oh, Kirk Cousins they went and did a small deal with, but they went out and got some veterans, brought them in. I don't know. I don't feel like my team, you know, I don't know. We have Speaker 1 (22:42) no edge rushers really at all. And the one we had got hurt. So I'm mad at myself for going 10 wins. With Crosby. Maybe that's a karma thing that's going to... That's going to... N'Kobe Dean. Not N'Kobe Lane. There's two N'Kobes in the world and you couldn't figure it out? Yeah. Well, right now it's 12-20. Speaker 2 (23:02) So odds are we're going to probably mess a couple up. So yeah, the Pats are plus 100. But then you go to make the playoffs. The Chargers are now plus 460 to make the playoffs. Speaker 1 (23:16) Hate that effing team. Speaker 2 (23:17) Holy mackerel. Green Bay is plus 240 to make the playoffs. Your team is plus 128. So my Speaker 1 (23:24) team and yours are almost on par with this? Speaker 2 (23:28) Yeah. And the Las Speaker 1 (23:30) Vegas Raiders are plus 166 to make the playoffs. That is lower than two to one. What are the odds of that? What's the Browns? Browns are plus 6'10". Oh, really? Okay. So they're 2-1, but they're not trusted at all. Yeah, I just don't want the Raiders or Browns or anything stupid like that. I still have to root for the Patriots and Chargers as a result. So if you had first coach fired, who would it be? Still balls? Yeah, but I got to tell you. Are you sure he's not getting fired tomorrow? I don't know why I don't think so, but I think it's going to be Salah. Speaker 2 (24:09) I mean, Speaker 1 (24:10) I couldn't believe. I watched that game with a bunch of Giants fans and it reminded me why I moved 3,000 miles away because when the Giants win, it's not fun. But yeah, man, I never had, even though they were driving, I never thought they had a shot at winning that game. I was not that focused on... This is Dave's comeback. I had the Speaker 2 (24:29) four top on the TV with my iPad. So I basically had five games going. And then sometimes I was doing the boxes. I had a lot of trouble following everything. Good one to skip. But the Cam Ward piece, the two things I wrote down was obviously our second cross off. But Cam Ward, they were inside the 10-yard line and he just gacked the game away. And Sal, after he did the whole he's got to make better decisions thing. But I think the problem with Cam Ward is I just haven't seen any evidence that he's going to be a good quarterback yet. Have you? Speaker 1 (25:03) No. Where's the evidence at this point? I wanted to give, I mean, maybe there's an evidence and a crime they're going to plant on him or something. He should check his car. But I don't know. I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. Like most of his touchdowns came in the last. five games, I think, last year. And, you know, he had that couple things where he'd roll right and throw across his body. But that offense is just really rough. And they actually had more yards than the Giants. It was like 262 to 238. But I don't know. How does Dable not come away with that win? Speaker 2 (25:37) Jameis gets the win. He's alive. The rumors of them trading for another quarterback, we'll see what happens with that. I had, there's a lot of games to cover here. We're going to take a quick break. We're going to come back and then we're going to talk about the three and O Raiders. Cause I can't believe the Raiders are three. You know, that's next. The Speaker 1 (25:55) Bill Simmons podcast brought to you by FanDuel. Welcome to your most rewarding Speaker 2 (26:00) season ever. And it's only on FanDuel.