Patrick Clancy & Rachel Danis: Barry's Bootcamp Photo, Costa Rica, and the Affair Theory

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The episode examines the intense internet scrutiny surrounding Patrick Clancy following the tragic murder of his children by Lindsay Clancy.

Key takeaways

• Netizens have noted visual similarities between Lindsay Clancy and Patrick's new wife, Rachel Danis.
• Speculation exists regarding whether Rachel Danis' father is Roy Danis, a former high-level executive at Seagram.

Main topics

• Lindsay Clancy case aftermath
• Rachel Danis and Patrick Clancy relationship theories

Notable quotes

This is not the Handmaid's Tale. We can't just shut women up.

Conclusion

The episode provides a deep dive into how digital footprints fuel mode

Transcript preview

Speaker 2 (0:02) About Speaker 1 (0:02) an hour outside of New York City, ambulances are rushing to this million-dollar private residence. It's a house. It's the house of an oncology specialist that works at Mount Sinai in New York City. She's known to be an investigator of breast cancer clinical trials. She's very accomplished in her life. When the ambulance gets there to the scene, Two individuals have already passed by gunshot. The doctor, Dr. Crystal Cassetta, she is the prominent oncologist in the city, and her four-month-old daughter. The authorities are very quick to rule this a murder self-exit, with a lot of netizens agreeing that there is likely some sort of postpartum psychosis or severe postpartum depression at play here. I mean, this incident was particularly shocking as many of Crystal's colleagues, they're coming forward and yes, they are expressing a lot of grief, but they're also expressing shock. People describe her as someone who is dedicated and passionate about her job and healthcare, who is dedicated to being a good mother. Nobody saw any sort of warning signs. that something very bad was happening. The only surviving member of the immediate family was the husband, the father of the four-month-old child. There were other witnesses in the home that were present, but it seems to be Crystal's parents were home and they thought something fell from upstairs and when they rushed up. But the husband, Tim Talty, was not home at the time of the incident. Tim Talty will soon get a message though. From someone who believes they're going through very similar things. Someone whose family was in the news just eight months prior. And he gets a message from Patrick Clancy. Speaker 2 (1:45) Patrick Speaker 1 (1:46) reaches out to Tim. And by this point, Patrick lives in New York City. So they're able to meet up. Grab a pizza. And we know all of this because Patrick Clancy has done a few interviews since January 24th, 2023. The main one initially was this extensive narrative piece done by The New Yorker. That's from October 2024. And in that piece, Patrick tells the author that he actually read about what happened to Dr. Cascetta. Patrick says, Crystal, Dr. Cascetta, kind of looked like Lindsay. So for a couple of days, I couldn't stop thinking about them. On the surface, I will say with the two cases, there does appear to be similarities. Two incredibly accomplished professionals in the healthcare industry, two women whose peers have nothing but positive things to say about them, that nobody saw this coming, and it's all happening within the same year of 2023. But as far as visual similarities, I tried to go through a lot of Reddit pages. I couldn't find a single Redditor. And maybe I just wasn't looking hard enough, right? Or maybe it's subjective. I couldn't find a single person pointing out the visual similarities of Dr. Cascada and Lindsay Clancy. But some netizens think it's interesting because... There is another visual similarity in the Clancy children case that has some netizens confused. And that's the visual similarity between Lindsay Clancy, the woman who was on trial for the murder of her three children, and Rachel Dannis, the new wife of Patrick Clancy. Some netizens believe that Lindsay and Rachel look so similar, they would even go as far to question how Patrick can look at his new wife without seeing Lindsay. Speaker 1 (3:24) Seeing Lindsay, maybe he is constantly reminded of his three children's passing. Would he be reminded of what Lindsay is accused of doing every time he looks at Rachel? And if he saw a visual similarity between Dr. Cascetta and Lindsay that was so jolting that he couldn't stop thinking about them for a few days, does he see a visual similarity between Lindsay and Rachel Danis? Does it even really matter in the grand scheme of things? I mean, I guess it depends on which netizen you ask. But this is part three of the Lindsay Clancy case. Speaker 1 (4:16) We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support Postpartum Support International. Their mission is dedicated to promoting awareness, prevention, and treatment of mental health issues related to childbearing in every country worldwide. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's team of dedicated researchers. We'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support. As always, full show notes are available at RottenMangoPodcast.com. This case has themes of mental health conditions like postpartum depression, psychosis. However, the details of this case are are not representative of any particular diagnosis and no generalizations should be made from this case about those conditions. There are mentions of taking one's life. There are mentions of taking the lives of others, including, I mean, particularly small children. We may mention various opinions, speculations, comments, all from the public about this case. These are not representative of our own and they are not legally confirmed. The only person that was ever considered a suspect in the murders of the three Clancy children has... been Lindsay Clancy. Nobody has been named a person of interest. Nobody has been named a suspect. Nobody has been charged or arrested or convicted with those crimes. I mean, Lindsay hasn't even been convicted of those crimes as of right now. So just Keep that in mind. Everything available for this case is public information, at least what we pulled from. Please keep in mind that statements and quotes may be summarized, condensed, or shortened for brevity. This will be a multi-part series and there might be individual additional disclaimers, but for now, please watch with discretion, take care, and let's get into it. Summer of 2013, about 10 years before the Clancy children are killed, Lindsay is a nursing student and her roommate, Kristen, happens to be a cousin of Patrick Clancy. That's how they meet. Which like, what are the odds, right? Not that slim apparently because Patrick has 41 first cousins. This is just like first cousins. Yeah, he comes from a huge Catholic family. So with this case, you're going to and we're going to go over it in the next part. But you're going to see a lot of people say, oh, well, have you seen that his cousin works here and here and here? And this is also his cousin. We think this is his cousin. There's a lot of links to a lot of family members. Lindsay's only 22 years old at this point, but she seems like she wants to settle down. One of her friends states she was looking for a good potential family man. Which Patrick is that on paper. Relatives say he was an even-keeled gentle kid. His mom Sue Clancy says, Pat doesn't like to be angry. He doesn't like hostility. He's always been that type since he was very little to just give the benefit of the doubt. It seems like they were a good match for each other. Later, Patrick would even say that Lindsay was just very fun-loving, outgoing person and they had the same goals in life. Like they both wanted a family. One of Lindsay's former colleagues at the hospital says, yeah, Lindsay would talk about kind of in a joking manner that she would want enough children to fill a baseball team. Some friends say, yeah, if anyone was going to do that and be a good mom, it would probably be Lindsay, though. She was like born to be a mom. Her roommate introduces her to her cousin. So Kristen's cousin, Patrick. The roommate is like, meet my cousin. This is my roommate, Lindsay. And the first date sounds cute. Patrick takes Lindsay to fly kites on a beach in Boston. Apparently it's 95 degrees outside, but they don't even care. And then soon she's going to the 4th of July party with the entire Clancy clan, which is, I don't know, like a whole population of people. They do date for a while. They date for about two years before they move in together, September 2015. And then a year later, December 2016, they get married. And a year after that, December 2017, they have their... their very first child, Cora, together. By all accounts, their relationship seems just overall uneventful. Patrick's sister describes Lindsay as sweet, a little quiet, just lovely. The cousin, the roommate, remember? She says they never really had any bumps in the road. So on paper, I imagine they seem like a great match. After graduating, Lindsay goes on to be a labor delivery nurse. And as we know, Patrick's mom, Sue Clancy, was also a labor and delivery nurse. They actually worked together briefly when Lindsay was doing rotations at the hospital that she worked at. Wow. Interesting. Meanwhile, Patrick is a business major, starts working at a telecommunications company in Boston, later working remote for Microsoft. They are a very active couple. Lindsay was a former cheerleader in high school. Patrick loves sailing. Both of them do a lot of running, which seems to be how Patrick meets his next wife, Rachel Dannis, through running, it appears. And this is where things get very convoluted. And before we get into the very explosive 60 Minutes interview done by CBS, we're going to have to go through a lot of the internet theories because there's this one lingering theory that Rachel Dannis and Patrick Clancy had a relationship before the Clancy children were killed. And that would change the entire narrative. That would change the entire, I would imagine, investigation of things if that were to be proven true. And when you go on places like TikTok and Reddit, there are a lot of people who are stating it as a fact. And I was just trying to dig up everything that I could of what's been confirmed, what's semi-confirmed, what seems real but we don't know for sure, and what is definitely not true. And we're going to dissect all of that. Rachel Dannis is a reproductive endocrinologist and infertility specialist in New York City affiliated with Mount Sinai. Her work page states that academic medicine has always played a significant role in Dr. Dannis' career, stating she has conducted research, written book chapters, and has been a devoted educator to medical students, residents, and junior fellows. It feels like the very first initial reaction online about Patrick's new wife has been more so about how similar she looks to Lindsay Clancy. One person comments about Rachel, he's got a type. Her resemblance to Lindsay is scary. Someone agrees with, I have always found it strange that he chose someone to marry who looks like the person who killed his kids. To which someone responds, she's much prettier than Lindsay. There's quite a bit that people have tried to dig up into Dr. Rachel Dannis, but none of it has been confirmed. I mean, there are theories floating around out there that her father is Roy Dannis. And I do think that this is, it does seem to be her father. Roy Dannis has a public page that goes through his 35-year career in the wine and spirits industry, including a very notable 17-year stint at Seagram before it went defunct. Seagram, I mean, they were sold off. Seagram, if you know, they had a lot of notable brands that were later sold off when they went defunct, like Absolute Vodka, Maker's Mark, Crown Royal, Fireball, and obviously Seagram's Ginger Rail, like the most iconic Ginger Rail. Well, I guess you could argue it's Canada Dry. It's up to you, right? The public profile for Roy Dennis states that he was there with increasing responsibilities in sales and marketing. It seems like he was a very high up executive. Then doing some Facebook stalking, Instagram stalking, we were able to find pictures of someone who looks very similar to the very public professional profile of Roy Danis in pictures with Rachel Danis. And they were posted before the internet went into a frenzy. So it does, I mean, unless someone's really great at AI and Photoshop and hacking, it seems like her dad is either Roy Danis or someone who looks exactly like Roy Danis. But again, in the world of doppelgangers. Who is to say that it's the same guy, right? But it just- So potentially Speaker 2 (11:44) her dad is very, very wealthy and successful, right? Yes, yes. Speaker 1 (11:49) But that's not the controversial connection. The controversial connections have come as the internet started loosely connecting strings of information. So for example, one of the Seagram heiresses, Claire Bronfman, has been sentenced to a seven-year prison sentence for being a leading member of the sex cult Nixxiom. Do you remember that? Speaker 2 (12:08) Yeah. Yeah. And Edgar Speaker 1 (12:09) Bronfman Jr., the brother of Clara, has a name listed. He's a name that's been listed in the Epstein files. Speaker 2 (12:17) I see. So there's like some association. Yes. Speaker 1 (12:22) There's a stronger association with Edgar I'm going to get into, but the facts could remain like this. Rachel Danis' father may or may not be a man named Roy Danis. He may or may not be the same Roy Danis that worked for 17 years at Seagram. Seagram heiresses Claire and Sarah have been accused of being involved with Nixxiom, the sex cult. Claire herself has been convicted and sentenced to prison for her involvement. Sarah has not been. They are the Seagram heiresses. They may or may not have had any interaction with Roy Danis. The only known connection being that he worked for the brand and there's no indication that if any interaction was had that it was nefarious, at least with the sisters. However, the connection with Edgar Bronfman Jr. the sister's brother, another Seagram heir, is a lot deeper. Edgar and Roy Danis co-founded a new company, Revival Spirits, together with a third partner. So, like a little trio. Speaker 2 (13:19) Really? Yeah. But again, that Speaker 1 (13:20) doesn't mean that either of them are involved in something nefarious or that they have been doing nefarious things together. And also, just because your name does come up in the Epstein files does not mean that you knew what Epstein was doing. But there's a lot of just... connections now are these just connections made because powerful people who do dirty nasty things are friends with other powerful people who may or may not do dirty nasty things we don't know But those are the facts that people could have gathered. And people have started theorizing based off the facts that something sinister is going on. That there's some level of deep corruption. That Rachel Danis is protecting Patrick Clancy. And there's some sort of underlying power play that's happening. But again, I would just like to reiterate. And probably attorney, our attorney would like me to reiterate probably, okay? While I am quick to side eye a lot of people listed in the Epstein files. These are just loose publicly known professional connections with no indication of personal ties or anything sinister happening behind the scenes. It's almost like saying a high up executive at Microsoft should have known that Bill Gates was cheating on his wife and should probably ban him from playing bridge in order to keep it in his pants. That connection is a little bit harder to draw. It's kind of a far throw. Then there's the hot mic situation. The internet found what appears to be Roy Dennis' Instagram page, and for a brief moment in time, it appeared that he had reposted a clip from the trial of the infamous hot mic moment. We go more into this later, but during the testimony of a medical examiner, Lindsay was crying pretty audibly, pretty hard. She was sobbing uncontrollably. A lot of news networks describe it, and one