08-25-26 Part One - The WDSA

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Red Eye Radio discusses the controversy surrounding Royce White's claim of eligibility to play in the WNBA as a 'black trans lesbian,' highl

Key takeaways

Royce White's response to WNBA eligibility rumors is seen as a tactical reversal of progressive arguments about gender identity.
The debate reveals contradictions in defining 'woman' when applied inconsistently across different contexts.

Main topics

Gender identity in sports
Transgender rights and policy contradictions

Notable quotes

"I'd also like to remind everyone there is a trans genocide taking place right now in America. These kinds of casual comments lead to violence and our deaths."

"They will do anything not to define what a woman is."

Conclusion

The episode underscores the complexity of modern gender debates, illustrating how ideological positions can

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Speaker 2 (1:32) Nah, mine's more broad. You can't say broad. You say chicks. Speaker 3 (1:39) I'm sounding Frank Sinatra. You Speaker 2 (1:41) can't say broads. Speaker 3 (1:42) What Speaker 2 (1:43) are you, Frank Sinatra? Broads. Chicks hate that. Speaker 1 (1:47) I did not mean it in that context. Speaker 2 (1:51) Yeah. Speaker 1 (1:51) All right. All right. So yesterday, the WDSA, the WNBA, Speaker 3 (1:59) well, the sources say this is a source story. I think ESPN had it first. CNN had it. The sources are that. Neither Cantor nor Royce White will be eligible, and they view it as a stunt. But, and by the way, they were never going to allow them to play. That was never going to happen to begin with. Yeah, right, right, right. And Speaker 1 (2:25) so Speaker 3 (2:25) I was like, okay, what's the response going Speaker 1 (2:27) to be? And, you know. Speaker 1 (2:31) Cantor, Cantor Freedom, as he calls himself, Cantor, he's okay, but Royce White just is locked in on this. Speaker 3 (2:39) Because now that, you know, the sources say the WNBA is not going to, this is, it's mocking, it's a stunt, whatever. This, and Speaker 1 (2:52) Cantor said yesterday, wait, what are they doing? I am a woman. They can't ban me. I'm a woman. And that's the whole point. The whole point is attempting to get everyone on that side to define what a woman is. And they will do anything not to define. Think about this. They will do anything not to define what a woman is. But Royce White wrote Speaker 3 (3:15) this yesterday. Speaker 1 (3:16) Update. Speaker 3 (3:18) This is the best ever. Because he's Speaker 1 (3:22) just throwing everything back at them. Every argument that they have made. This Speaker 2 (3:28) is their entire playbook he's taken, and he's put it into one response. Here we go. Speaker 1 (3:35) All right. Update. I have not received any official or unofficial communication back from the WNBA regarding my eligibility. I will say as a black. trans lesbian, the rumors of denial for my multi-spirit existence are concerning. I'd also like to remind everyone there is a trans genocide taking place right now in America. These kinds of casual comments lead to violence and our deaths. If the sources are true, I would like to see the league take immediate action to correct anybody who refuses to affirm my identity. or use my pronouns, pay me. The WNBA leadership has to show up and do the work to tell a black trans woman she is not a woman or that the trans experience is a stunt, is absolutely transphobic, bigoted, and racist. It's literally Nazism and white supremacy. I think the commissioner may be demonstrating Speaker 1 (4:44) Some white privilege. No. That was his statement. Speaker 2 (4:50) Yeah. Oh, Speaker 3 (4:51) my God. You know, it's perfect. I Speaker 2 (4:53) believe he was ready Speaker 3 (4:54) for this. Speaker 2 (4:54) Yeah. I think he was prepared. It really is taking their entire rule book and playbook and handing it right back to them. Because. Speaker 2 (5:09) It is, you know, remember the Berkeley professor and Josh Hawley in the back. Yeah, exactly right. If you question, then sorry, that makes you a bigot. If you just ask questions, if you call this a stunt, then why would I not call it a stunt for any man? Speaker 2 (5:38) who is wanting to play or ends up playing on a woman's team, which we have seen time and time again. And then they get heralded by the media and the activists setting new records. Well, not for a guy, they're not. So is that tune not a stunt? You can't have both. Speaker 2 (6:04) They're either both stunts or they're both, as you call it, as your side calls it. Real. And you don't get to question it because that's bigotry. And it could set off. You could trigger a mental crisis with that individual or the entire group of individuals simply by asking the questions. That exchange between Josh Hawley and that Berkeley professor, that's exactly how that went. Those were the rules. that were written on that day, on record, by the way, and you either live by those rules or not. Now, they do change their rules, but if you change the rules, do they not apply to all? You only want to apply them to the ones that you say are committing a stunt. Speaker 3 (7:06) Yeah, so if you wonder what a transgenocide is, the transgenocide is the fact that if you talk about it... trans people have a much higher rate of attempting suicide and so that's the genocide what are you talking about genocide just so you understand what their argument is and the the the when he said these kind of casual comments basically from the wnba uh lead to violence and our deaths that's the argument Speaker 1 (7:37) that they're making and that's the beauty of this all This isn't an argument of the right against the left. No, Speaker 2 (7:45) no. Speaker 1 (7:46) The debate is the right is holding the left to their arguments and their talking points. Right. And that's what Royce White is doing. That's why it's so beautiful. Those are the opinions. Speaker 1 (8:05) documented of the insane leftist radical transgender movement in this country. Yes. And he's simply using their argument. That's right. So if you've seen on Speaker 3 (8:17) social media yesterday, I mean, it was just blowing up. It was like, they should have punished Sophie Cunningham. They should Speaker 1 (8:25) have kicked her out of the league. They should have suspended her because she's the one that caused it. And the WNBA should have responded by suspending her for her transphobic comments. Yeah. Speaker 3 (8:33) And it's like, keep going with that. Keep going with that. See if that works for you. And they Speaker 1 (8:39) just get blasted, absolutely blasted on social media. And that's why it's so entertaining. It's not entertaining because this is an argument of the right versus the left. No. It's beautiful because it's the right throwing the arguments of the left against them. to see if they'll defend it, and they're doing everything to try to weave around all the arguments that they have made to promote radical transgenderism in this country, and nobody knows what to do except to say, well, you're mocking. You can't say that. Speaker 2 (9:21) You cannot Speaker 1 (9:22) say that. You can't say that. Right. That's your argument. That's your argument. Right. That's not even Royce Weiss's. Well, it is. Royce Weiss. Royce White's argument, he's throwing your argument right back at you. These are the standards that you set, and that's why it's so incredibly entertaining. Speaker 2 (9:40) Well, and it's not, this is, again, really not going to change. You were correct to mention that this is not going to happen. Oh, it's never Speaker 3 (9:54) going to Speaker 2 (9:54) happen. The WNBA, and the WNBA is not going to allow male players to come in. They're just not. It's not going to happen. But they can't say it. But they cannot say it. They cannot say, we cannot let biological males compete in our league. They can't say that out loud. How dare you? By their own rules. They would love. Speaker 2 (10:21) For this to be over, they would love to move on. See what happens when you try to appease? The WNBA was created for one reason. Two reasons. Low ticket sales. And number two, for women to have a league of their own. Speaker 3 (10:45) Yes. Biological women. Speaker 2 (10:48) Biological women. That's the only thing I ever mean if I say women. And Speaker 3 (10:54) that's when you had, I forgot what team the coach was on, where she was coming out, you know, we, you know, trans women, trans, and it's like, excuse me, you're the one that's out there promoting the fact that we have too many biological men as coaches in women's basketball, and that has to... That has to stop. And the beauty of it was, and it was hilarious. We went through some of the, we went through the post yesterday that some radical leftist posted and the responses to it where they said, well, you know, this is a, this is a joke. A trans woman is a woman, but a biological male is not a woman. And that's why they can't play. It was like, you don't get to say that. It was Speaker 1 (11:38) like, what? You Speaker 2 (11:39) don't get Speaker 3 (11:40) to Speaker 2 (11:40) say that. Speaker 1 (11:41) What the hell are you talking about? And you can't judge. You cannot look at motive. And so you're changing. I go, what's the motive? The motive is that they want us to define what a woman is. And we're not going to do it. We're not going to define what a woman is. But let me tell you what we're doing to protect women that we can't define what a woman is. That's right. It's pure insanity. Speaker 3 (12:13) But entertaining as hell. And when I read the first time, because he just posted a couple of hours ago, Royce White's comment, my God, I mean, I just couldn't stop laughing. And then I read it to you in our pre-show meeting. We were just, you're like. Speaker 3 (12:29) He's hitting every Speaker 1 (12:30) single argument that they make and throwing it back in their face. Everything. Speaker 2 (12:35) Everything in their playbook. And it really is. This isn't, the point isn't, and he knows it, the point isn't for him to play. The point is to force them. To take a position, which I also don't think is going to happen. They're going to keep doing this dance until it's over and something else comes along. But it was inevitable that it would at least get to this point. It was inevitable. And what happens with a league that, quite frankly, I mean, you know, I guess they're doing okay. Are they losing as much as the Stephen Colbert show? Speaker 3 (13:22) I don't know what they – I didn't see – somebody posted what they did in 2025. I don't know what they're doing so far. You know, it's – look, you know, I have watched, well, probably half of a couple of Indiana games. It's entertaining. Speaker 2 (13:44) No, it's Speaker 3 (13:45) – Speaker 2 (13:45) It's good solid basketball. Speaker 3 (13:48) It's not Speaker 2 (13:48) that they're not good players. It just hasn't caught on yet. They haven't created their stars. You know, I mean, I keep seeing clips on my YouTube because I watched one. Of course, it comes up repeatedly in that subject. Speaker 2 (14:08) everyone basically who honors Larry Bird. You know, he's the best, he's the best, he's the best. And then one day there was a short, and Shaq was on there, and he goes, you know, I hate to say it, but Dennis Rodman. You put Dennis Rodman in, and he's going to be a monster on that court. And he was just quoting stats on Dennis Rodman. He said, you know, say what you will about his personality. So these legends, in order to create these legends, you have to have time. And you also have to have superior performance. Will it ever be the NBA? No. But it has plenty of room for Speaker 3 (14:52) improvement. I can't find. Speaker 2 (14:55) Ticket sales? Speaker 3 (14:57) No, no. I know that they did revenue sharing. The salaries have skyrocketed Speaker 2 (15:01) in Speaker 3 (15:02) the last year, and they had an $8 million revenue to distribute to active players, but I simply put into the WNBA make a profit. And they say, yes, the WNBA generated enough business success in 2025 to trigger its first ever player revenue sharing payout. That wasn't what I asked. If they met certain goals, did they make overall a profit? is my question to AI, and I cannot get, I've not been able to get an answer looking at AI. That sounds like they did, if I mean. Right, you would assume that they did. Speaker 2 (15:33) And by the way, I hope that they do, and I hope the sport continues to grow. I hope that the sport continues to grow an audience on television, streaming, or wherever they are, and also locally at games. I, I, because. Speaker 2 (15:53) I want that for the fans. I want fans to have whatever it is they're into. Hey, man, let's go watch this game. That's not up to me to decide. I'm not, you know, I never root for things to, I hope this thing fails. I hope this, because that's kind of the attitude. There are a lot of jokes about the WNBA. A lot of jokes about the WNBA. Speaker 2 (16:17) and one of them was made on the ESPYs, I think it was a couple of years ago, by Shane Gillis, the comedian who was hosting the ESPYs, and he said, you know, and so-and-so, and I think he made up a name, from the WNBA is here tonight, and they showed this woman in the audience. And then he goes, actually, that's not really her. That's my friend's wife. I knew you guys didn't know anybody in the WNBA. And it's true. It was his wife, his friend's wife, comedian friend of his wife. And who, by the way, looked more like Karine Jean-Pierre than she did a WNBA player. But it's... Speaker 2 (17:01) It's not up for me to decide. I root for everybody. You know, go sports or whatever it is, whatever the endeavor is. But don't think for a minute you're going to take a side and then have to back away from it and not live up to your convictions. You can't. You're not going to get away with that. And that has a tendency, in fact, I think a potential to. 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