The Woodbooger Festival Presentation

Prometheus Lens

In this presentation, Justin Brown (known as 'Doc') explores the intersection of biblical narratives and global cryptid legends. He argues t

Key takeaways

The speaker uses the biblical figure Esau, described as being covered in red hair, as a primary link to 'wild man' archetypes.
Comparative mythology shows recurring themes of hairy giants across cultures, including the Sitika of the Northern Paiute and the Woodwose of Europe.

Main topics

Biblical Nephilim
Comparative Mythology

Notable quotes

If there's the same story throughout the world through different times and cultures... there has to be something to that to me those are echoes.

Conclusion

The episode provides a provocative, research-driven look at how ancien

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) Disclaimer. To the Pharisees and Karens out there. How Speaker 2 (0:03) dare you? Speaker 1 (0:04) All guests on this show do not reflect the opinions of the host. The purpose of this show is to have interesting conversations, stretch our minds, and grow. Speaker 2 (0:11) Not what we want. Speaker 1 (0:13) If you are looking for an echo chamber, viewer and listener discretion is advised. Speaker 2 (0:21) You talk about extreme. Speaker 1 (1:09) I guess first off, my name is Justin Brown. Kind of got the nickname Doc. Everybody calls me Doc. Kind of worked. You know, we're southern people. I have to explain this to some people. I got a podcast called Prometheus Lens Podcast. And we talk about everything from the Bible to aliens to Sasquatch, all the fun topics. And I say us southern people are synonymous for our oxymorons. We'll take a seven-foot-tall guy. and name him Tiny. So take this big dumb redneck and name him Doc. It makes sense, right? But I wrote my first book last year, working on my second one now, but that's what we're going to be talking about today. And I brought a couple copies with me, if you guys are interested in a copy after I get done speaking. But I also have a table across from the main stage over there with plenty more. But that book is called The Epic of Esau, The Birthright and Seed War. And I grew up a Christian my entire life, Southern Baptist. Heard a lot of strange stories as a kid, but it was always either brushed over or whitewashed. And Esau was one of those enigmatic characters for me. And even as a kid, when it come across, it said, you know, the first one came out red, covered in hair from head to toe, like a hairy cloak. I was like, man, that's strange. Speaker 1 (2:37) And so I asked some of my Sunday school teachers, and they was like, oh, you know, he just had a good beard, you know. I'm like, from head to toe? You know? And it wasn't until much later, got into, you know, deeper studying and looking into, you know, Hebrew and Greek and some of the original languages and stuff like that, that that verse just hit me totally different. And I was just like, man, that sounds pretty squatchy to me. I mean, covered in red hair from head to toe. So it kind of launched me into... taking a deep dive into this guy and looking at other legends and mythologies across the world of what some people call Bigfoot, what some people call the the wild man or the wood woes. They got many different names for it but this is a culture-wide phenomenon that I found and I'm the type of person that I'm not a coincidence theorist. I think if there's the same story throughout the world through different times and cultures that are separated by you know hundreds of thousands of miles and thousands of years there has to be something to that to me those are echoes so if there is an echo there once had to have been a screen so that you know launched me in a two-year deep dive into this study and i'm going to share some of my findings and thoughts with you guys here today if that's if that's cool with you guys but uh let me see Speaker 1 (4:01) And I'm old school. I got paper notes too. And, you know, I am a Christian, so I have my preconceived notions and my biases just like anybody else. So I will be up front with you and let you know that up front. But, you know, when you get to Genesis, especially chapter six, you know, it says. There were giants in the earth in those days, and also after, when the sons of God came into the daughters of men, and they bare children with them. And the same became mighty men, which were the men of old, the men of renown. So here's another story that when I was a young kid, this was the Sethite view. This was the goodly line of Adam breeding into the ungodly. lineage of Cain and made spiritually wicked people. But then when you get to looking into the original languages, the Hebrew, that phrase is b'nei ha'elohim. You know, every time that phrase is used, it's talking about divine heavenly beings, not earthly rulers. And how do kissing cousins make giants? You know, so that kind of rang true to me. And this comes into this story with Esau. and what we call Bigfoot. 2 Samuel 21, verse 20 says, And there was again war at Gath, where there was a man of great stature, who had six fingers on each hand, six toes on each foot, twenty-four in number. And he also was descended from giants. Speaker 1 (5:37) Let's see, 3. And once again in Numbers, chapter 13, verse 33. And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which came of the giants. And we were in our own sight as grasshoppers. So we were in their sight. So the scouts even reported that they devoured the inhabitants of the land. So not only were these giants so big that they looked like grasshoppers in their sights, they reported that they were cannibals. They were eating the people of the land. And of course, the really famous one we all know about is Goliath, David and Goliath. We all hear about that story. That's a really famous one. Speaker 1 (6:21) Let's see, all the way to seven. Another one, example, is King Og. King Og in the Bible, we hear of his bed, and according to the Bible, the iron bed of King Og was nine cubits long and four cubits wide, in which this measures roughly 13 1⁄2 feet long and six feet wide. Speaker 1 (6:45) In the Americas, we have the Native American lore of the city car. Have any of you guys heard about the city car? Speaker 1 (6:55) Okay, this is cool. The Sitika, the northern Paiute tribes, they have oral traditions telling of a conflict with this group of red-haired people, and they were giants. And they called them the Sitika. So not only were they giants, they were red-haired giants covered in hair. Speaker 1 (7:17) Yes, sir. Yes. So, and there are stories that these giants, they warred with them, and they were constantly raiding their towns and stealing their livestock and their crops and their women, raping their women. And finally, they got fed up, and the tribes banded together and fought against them and chased them back into their homes, which happened to be caves. They were cave dwellers. And once they trapped them into the cave, they burnt the cave and burnt them alive. And of course this was all just a story, this wasn't true until archaeologists got to digging into the caves and found the bones and found scorched earth all inside of the cave there. So once again, collaborating the story, these are not just legends and fairy tales that they told to their children. Speaker 1 (8:16) And I'm so glad I did this because I was like, if something happens, I want some hand notes here. Speaker 1 (8:24) But also I have in here that the not only with this legend you have mention of the Greeks in Mexico, South America, the Popol Vuh, all these stories around the world are common themes. They all have these stories of these giants and these hairy giants covered in hair and 90 % of them especially like in the Popol Vuh in South America. that they started devouring the inhabitants of the lands and the gods brought a flood and destroyed them, hit the reset button. Especially like in South America, they even, in their legend, they built a tall tower. You know, so it even kind of rhymes with Genesis and the Bible story. But yeah, 1911 is when they discovered the miners were digging for bat guano in Nevada, a cave, and they found all the artifacts collaborating the story. Speaker 1 (9:19) And I mentioned this at the beginning of the talk, but Genesis 25, 25. So I went through that just to kind of give you a base, saying, hey, I'm just not pulling this stuff out of my pocket. There's historical stuff kind of calling back to these giants and where I'm going to be building my case from. But yeah, Genesis 25, 25, that is the birth of Esau. The first one came out red, covered in hair from head to toe like a hairy cloak. So I showed you all those rhyming stories there. Speaker 1 (9:49) And I swear I wish you could see these because I made a lot of funny puns in some of these images. But I have a guy playing the ukulele and a guy making a sour face. And it's like, but clearly, Justin, this is poetic language. You know, he was not literally covered in hair from head to toe. This is poetic language here, dude. Speaker 1 (10:09) Let's see, number nine. So yeah, so we'll go to 10. And here I got a picture of another biblical account of Jacob fooling his blind father. So Esau had a twin brother named Jacob. And just those that are not familiar with the story, just a quick primer. These twins were battling over the birthright, who was going to be the head of the house and next in line. And Jacob was the younger brother. Esau, the one covered in hair, was the older. He was supposed to get the birthright according to how the traditions of the Jewish people worked. Well, when Esau went out for a hunt, him and his mother plotted against him. So his mother, Rebecca, tells him to go and kill a goat and take the goat skin and cover himself with it. And she was going to prepare a delicious meal for their father, for their blind father. Speaker 1 (11:06) He goes, takes the goat, kills it. She prepares the meat, and then they wrap him in this goat's fur like a blanket. And he goes in to fool his blind father, and his father reaches out and feels at him and feels this goat's fur. And he's like, oh, this is my son Esau. So I'm like, okay, this is clearly not poetic language here, folks. Has anybody ever felt of a goat? You're not going to mistake that for your hairy Uncle Steve. Sorry if there's any Steves in the room. But yeah, I mean, it's thick, it's oily, it's coarse. You're never going to mistake that for a human being. So he was literally hairy like we would describe, you know, a Sasquatch or a Bigfoot. He was literally that hairy. Speaker 1 (12:02) And once again, some of the correlating legends that you have with this guy, over in Europe you have the wild man. And some traditions they call him the woodwose. But Bigfoot is not something new that just popped up in the last century. Solomon said it best, nothing new is under the sun. If you look back through history, the common Bigfoot themes are there. They just go by different names. You find this hairy man throughout time and it is culture blind.