Pod Meets Twirl'd: Married at First Sight 2010, 2011 & 2012

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In this episode of Pod Meets Twirled, hosts Will Friedle and Ryder Strong dive into Married at First Sight Seasons 20, 21, and 22, analyzing the dynamics between couples as they

Key takeaways

The show reveals how surface-level compatibility can mask deeper emotional disconnects.
Many couples struggle to communicate authentically due to performance pressure or lack of conflict experience.

Main topics

Married at First Sight dynamics
Authenticity vs. performance in relationships

Notable quotes

"You're not hired just to fill time and space. You're hired to fill the space with you." – Henry Winkler (via Hoda Kotb)

"Two guys and a girl is different than two girls and a guy. That's the devil's triangle." – Ryder Strong

Conclusion

The episode underscores that love and marriage are not just about initial chemistry or shared interests, but

Transcript preview

Speaker 6 (0:00) This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. I survived nine months in captivity, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files. Every week, I'm with survivors who lived through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If Speaker 5 (0:36) your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. Pro Society is a weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. Each week, we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and pop culture with your favorite writers, book talk creators, and plenty of overthought opinions. Yeah, I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed. Listen to Pro Society on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 4 (1:06) On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 3 (1:42) I'm Hoda Kotb, host of the podcast Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb. You know, I'm always searching for inspiration and useful tools to maximize joy. Like when my friend Henry Winkler offered advice to aspiring actors and really anybody hoping to stand out. Speaker 2 (1:58) You're not hired just to fill time and space. You're hired to fill the space with you. Listen Speaker 3 (2:04) to Joy 101 with Hoda Kotb on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 1 (2:21) Welcome to Pod Meets Twirled, a podcast that began with dancing with the stars, wandered through castles, survived beaches, and spent an entire season debating the social hierarchy of cocktail parties. And along the way, Will and I riffed on what I thought was an entirely hyperthetic, hyperthetical, hyperthetical. Hyperthetical. It's really hypothetical. It's a hyperthetical. And that was maybe arranged marriage isn't the worst idea. Apparently, our producers were listening. So now we are watching Married at First Sight Season 20, a show where complete strangers meet at the altar, say, I do, and only then begin the awkward process of discovering whether they have anything whatsoever in common. We are Will Friedle, who loves love and believes marriage should be about the marriage, not the wedding. And Ryder Strong, who loves love. and made one observation about arranged marriage and is now forced to defend it for an entire television season. Join us as experts, therapists, family members, and complete strangers all attempt the oldest social experiment in human history with confessionals. This is Pod Meets Twirled, All or Nothing. How's it going, Will? It's Speaker 2 (3:23) going well, Ryder. Lots to talk about. I Speaker 1 (3:25) feel like we're in a lull period of the show. Speaker 2 (3:28) Yeah, I think it's like the getting to know you time is over. Yeah, exactly. And Speaker 1 (3:32) now Speaker 2 (3:32) it's like you're the old married couple. Speaker 1 (3:34) Yes, and now we're just in a holding pattern and like everybody's feeling so much pressure, but I feel like they kind of all think they have all the information they already need. It's like this weird, you know, because it's like, yeah, it's like the people that are going to sleep together have already slept. The people that are never going to are never going to. And yeah, and I feel like they're just like getting more info like, oh, this is what your house looks like. This is what you do when you're bored or whatever. But I don't know if any of that's going to change anything for anybody. But then it Speaker 2 (4:05) ends on a crazy, what? After the three episodes where it's like... Yeah, I so wanted to jump ahead. I know, me too. I still may. Speaker 1 (4:16) Doesn't it kind of screw up your insights, though? Because I feel like then you'll be like, that's not true, Ryder. Right, because Speaker 2 (4:23) that's why I haven't done it, is because I don't want to know what happens in the future. It's like, yeah, yeah. All right, Speaker 1 (4:28) well, let's get into it. Episode 10 begins with Adam and Marissa lighting candles. She wants to do their homework. Because they are really bad at being serious. So he's like, let's go deep. Let's go deep. It's five deep. Speaker 2 (4:42) It's five Speaker 1 (4:42) deep. So she asks, what's an assumption that people make about you that is wrong? And he says, people think he's just all about the surface. That all he likes to do is jet ski. No. I know. Can you believe people think this about you? Shocking. What? Shocking. Yeah. He claims that he's deeper, but I just don't know if he is. Speaker 2 (5:04) Deeper like a puddle. Speaker 1 (5:05) And I don't really blame him. Like, I don't, I actually think that Adam is Adam, right? Like, we've come full circle with this guy. But why does he keep saying, like, oh, people think I'm really superficial and I'm not. It's like, I think maybe you just are, dude. That's the thing. But I already, I also Speaker 2 (5:21) know his girlfriend. I know who she should be with. Speaker 1 (5:25) Who? Courtney. Oh, it's perfect for him. I know. Perfect for him. I remember she said he was the hottest guy in the room. He's the hottest Speaker 2 (5:33) there. She's totally into fitness, totally into that stuff. And they're both completely surface level people who play it being deeper than they are. They're perfect for each other. Speaker 1 (5:42) God, that's funny. Actually, I never thought about that. Perfect for Speaker 2 (5:46) each other. Speaker 1 (5:46) You don't think that she would because he likes to like tell. his partner what to do. Like he's, you know, not like in a mean way. He's just literally like. I think Speaker 2 (5:55) that's exactly what she's looking for. And that's what she actually wants. I think that's exactly what she's looking for. Speaker 1 (5:59) She Speaker 2 (5:59) says Speaker 1 (5:59) that Speaker 2 (5:59) though, verbally. No. But she actually Speaker 1 (6:01) wants a guy who's just like, here's where we're going, babe. We're going to do this. And Speaker 2 (6:04) we're going to do that. We're going to go on my jet ski and then we're going to play pickleball for four hours. She'd be like, I'm in, great. Speaker 1 (6:08) Reduce all of her anxiety because things are decided. Yup. Wow, that's interesting, man. Courtney Speaker 2 (6:14) is his forever person. I swear to God. And what's funny is that Marissa and Nick might actually get along too. So I can see a swap there that actually would work. That should be Speaker 1 (6:27) the new twist of the show. Before decision day, they have the opportunity to just swap. Just Speaker 2 (6:32) change partners. Brilliant. Because they should change dance partners completely. Speaker 1 (6:36) Well, he starts making sexual jokes and they actually talk about having a threesome. And he's like, Felipe would be down. Speaker 1 (6:46) And he would. Speaker 2 (6:48) And then she's like, do you want two guys? And he's like, well, we'd have to be careful. Like, he's like thought it through. Speaker 1 (6:53) But what does that mean? I don't know what he meant. Speaker 2 (6:55) Well, because again, there's two, three ways. There's the right way to do it. And then there's the devil's triangle. And the devil's triangle is just not the way you want to do it. That's two guys and a girl. So, yeah. That's the Speaker 1 (7:05) devil's triangle? That's the devil's triangle, Speaker 2 (7:08) man. You haven't? Yeah. It's like you talk to a guy who's like, dude, I've had a threesome. It's like, really? It's like, well, it's me and my buddy. Nick, it's like, mm-mm, different kind of thing. You have the devil's triangle, man. So, yeah. A whole different thing. Two guys and a girl is different than two girls and a guy. Well, obviously it's different. I Speaker 1 (7:24) just didn't know one was necessarily better or worse. It's not better. It's just they call Speaker 2 (7:28) it the devil's triangle. That's always what it's been called. I've never. Oh, you haven't? Oh, God, that's so funny. I forget. And that might have even been in a movie. That was like from something. But, yeah, so funny. All right, Nicky Speaker 1 (7:38) and Sean are having a knick-knick. Very cute. Isn't that very cute? Are they? No, Speaker 2 (7:45) they're playing it up for the cameras and they're just waiting. She's waiting to get away from this guy. But it just reads that way. And they, I think, both know that it's not going to work at this point. And they're just trying to be nice to each other for the cameras and say they put in the work and then they're ready to go. I Speaker 1 (7:59) don't know. By the end of these three episodes runs, I was kind of like, she might be actually. I kind of Speaker 2 (8:06) hope. Speaker 1 (8:06) Yeah. Speaker 2 (8:07) Because they say something in a later episode that makes a lot of sense where it's like. we've never had a fight, so we don't know how to, forget which couple says it, we don't know how to fight. Felipe Speaker 1 (8:16) says it, yeah. Yeah, and you Speaker 2 (8:17) guys are going to know how to do all this stuff, which is legitimate. Speaker 1 (8:21) Yeah, they did it in reverse, but like, yeah. I just, you know, even in this scene when they're talking about, you know, their points of compatibility and, I mean, what does he say? I'm really looking forward to continuing watching you unblock your blessing. And I was like, Jesus Christ, just talk to each other. Exactly. I want them to like, like get drunk together and like scream at one another or just like, yeah, it's just like, yeah, it's too much. The constant Speaker 2 (8:47) therapy speak is too much. I'm starting to get that a little bit with Devin too. If I hear him and I love Devin, but if I hear him one more time, go, I see you. I hear you. I hear you. I understand. I'm like, I want to smack him. I know. Cause it's Speaker 1 (9:00) like, come on, dude. He keeps saying it because that's what he wants to hear from her. Right. And she's just like not giving it back to him because she's not hearing him, not seeing him, not understanding him. She does not get what it means to Speaker 2 (9:10) be in a relationship at all. Speaker 1 (9:12) Tori has pizza with her friends and she brings up the religious issue, which we haven't heard about. And we find out from her friends that she used to not swipe on non-Christians on dating apps, which is like, this is such an interesting thing. Like, I actually really respect her. And... Felipe, like in this, the fact that this isn't an issue between them is really cool. Yeah. And it's one of those things that has come up, like, you know, my brother is an atheist as well. And he went through this with dating apps. If you say you're an atheist and that you won't date religious people, you have no choices. Like it literally goes to zero. It's like, there'll be like one person in all of Los Angeles. Yeah. So you have, you know, and it's like, you can't be rigid about this, you know, like this one of the, one of those areas that's like, and obviously there are people that are going to be. committed to their religion or their lack of religion to an extent that it is a deal breaker. Right. But what's fascinating to me is that it was a deal breaker for her on the dating apps. But in reality, in practice, it's not. And I think that's the problem with dating apps. You know, it's like we focus on these, like the list of things that make a good partner, but that's not actually like what makes you. Yeah. And I think a lot of times people. think that, you know, if they think about something like religion or just ideals or whether they're going to have kids or how much money their partner has to make, all of that dissolves if they meet the right person. Exactly. The resume doesn't actually matter that much. I agree. Can you marry somebody who likes country music when you like rap? Absolutely. Yeah. But like why you put that as like your list of requirements? It's just not. Well, that's Speaker 2 (10:49) why one of the things of, you know, the. I need someone six feet tall. I need someone. They talk about that. You go down to less than 1 % and men have all those lists of, I need this. I need that. And it's like, okay, well you're getting rid of 98 % of the population where your person probably is. Yep. So it's, and we've talked about also with the apps, the horribleness of it is that their apps aren't designed to have you find somebody that you love. They're designed to make you have to come back to the app. So it's like, you know, it's like, yikes. Yeah. It's, I couldn't imagine it. I will say after these three episodes, I have so much respect for her as a person, for Tori. Oh, Speaker 1 (11:24) yeah. Me too, man. Where it was Speaker 2 (11:25) just like after these three, I was just like, I f***ing love you. He is such an idiot if he does not go through with this. And he won't. He won't. You don't think he will? Hell no. I think Speaker 1 (11:35) they're heightening the drama. I think he's going to be fine. Speaker 2 (11:38) I think this is the couple that ends up ending their marriage at the next time. That sucks, man. Speaker 1 (11:42) I'm so all in on them. I'm like, I just think he's Speaker 2 (11:45) being Speaker 1 (11:45) a baby. He Speaker 2 (11:46) is not Speaker 1 (11:46) ready for this, dude. And Speaker 2 (11:47) he's having a Speaker 1 (11:47) moment. Really? No Speaker 2 (11:48) way. This guy, when you literally sit there in the next episode and I just want to bang a bunch of chicks, it's like, are you kidding me? I know, but I think Speaker 1 (11:55) that's actually a sign of his comfort. I actually took that as like. I mean, he's being an idiot. Like, he shouldn't say that. Like, that's what even I think Devin or Mecca says, like, why are you saying this out loud? And it's like, yes, exactly. And I think that that is kind of true. But I also think it's because Felipe's very confident and he's very comfortable. And he actually, he's secure enough to admit that monogamy scares him right now, partly because he knows that Tori's accepting of him. Speaker 2 (12:23) I know, but at the same time, as his partner, Tori's just hearing that. And I love her. She's just like, I'm not here to fix you, dude. Yeah. Like work your shit out. Speaker 1 (12:31) And that's like, that's why she's so amazing is because she reacts that way as opposed to, you know, basically slapping him in the face and being like, shut the fuck up, which is what I feel like a lot of people would do if their partner was expressing something that babyish in this moment. It's like, you know, instead she's like. you just got to figure this out, man. Like, I can't help you, which I think is the most mature reaction she could have. It was her Speaker 2 (12:51) entire reaction to that whole thing was so cool. And I just finished. I was like, God, I have so much respect for her. Given Speaker 1 (12:57) her past, too. She's already admitted that, like, being cheated on was, like, the worst thing that happened to her. So the fact that she could be cool in the face of him basically musing about cheating on her is incredible. She's a rock star. Yeah, she's amazing. Speaker 2 (13:09) She's a rock star. Love her. Speaker 1 (13:10) All right, Courtney and Nick. He is bringing her cake for her birthday. And she is not happy with how he acted in this group session from last week. Talking about how, because all he could have come up with was like how he's, you know, afraid she won't accept him, that he's goofy, which wasn't enough for her. Yeah. Like it wasn't a great move on Nick's part, but I also feel like, dude, he's bringing you a cake. He's trying. Like he's trying. Courtney is just. Yeah. Speaker 2 (13:40) Yeah. It's also, you're very much put on the spot. You're in front of the cameras. You're doing everything. What's your biggest fear? What do you fear? And it's like, uh, uh, spiders. I don't like, what do you, I think he's just, Speaker 1 (13:50) he's just kind of more like, I think he's kind of a nerdy dude. Like I think he's a brainiac. Yeah. I think he's a little like still kind of figuring out like, Oh, human emotions. How do I, yeah. And that's, that's just him. Like, and like, but I do think he's making the effort. So I don't know. I think so Speaker 2 (14:06) too. I don't, I don't think she is, but she claims she is. Speaker 1 (14:09) And we cut to her birthday at Felipe's restaurant. There's some mild drama about where Nick is sitting. Because, yeah, I know. Mindfully so. Come on. But he also doesn't say, yeah, I want to sit. The way he phrases it is really weird. He's like, I mean, if I sat next to you, that'd be sick. Yeah, right. And it's like, or that'd be awesome. He like phrases it away instead of being like, no, I want to sit next to you. So in some ways, he's just got to learn to like. He's trying not to Speaker 2 (14:34) poke the bear, though. I know. And again, the idea of it's like, OK, well, he can achieve and says, like, yeah, Nick's not going to sit. He can deal with it. It's like this girl, this woman does not give a shit about this guy even slightly. Speaker 1 (14:47) All right. Well, at this dinner, Courtney gets an espresso martini to drink with her lollipop, which just looks disgusting. Nick is pretty much being shut out by her. And then Devin decides to take the opportunity to kind of confront her about it. Speaker 7 (15:03) Brutal. Speaker 1 (15:03) It sucks because I'm actually on Devin's side. Like I get what he's saying and I do think that he's, but yeah, he's not. Speaker 2 (15:10) Too much and probably not on her birthday. Right. And then she Speaker 1 (15:13) brings in Caitlin sort of being like, check your control, your husband. And that becomes a night with Devin pretty drunk trying to. I hear you. I hear you. Speaker 2 (15:26) I see you. He's like leaned against the door. He's like Speaker 1 (15:30) swayed back and forth. I was like, dude, just go to bed. Just go to Speaker 2 (15:33) bed. But she loves this. Caitlyn loves this. Anything that makes him look bad makes her look better. And she loves that. Speaker 1 (15:42) Well, I was actually impressed with the way she forgave him. Me too. Because I thought she was going to lure. When I saw this, I was like, oh, she's so stoked because now she has an out and she can blame him. But she didn't really take that. That Speaker 2 (15:54) opportunity. She loved the checkmark in the negative column, though. I think so. I guarantee you. Yeah, I agree. Speaker 6 (16:07) When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files. I just remember this Speaker 3 (16:25) low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Speaker 6 (16:31) Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable. Speaker 3 (16:35) I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming. Speaker 6 (16:48) They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. They're stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If Speaker 5 (17:07) your bookshelf and your For You page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. 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Speaker 4 (18:07) On the new podcast, Solita, we share the messy reality of traveling alone as a woman. I can wait four hours for the next bus or this random dude is offering me a ride on his motorcycle. I chose option B. I'm Julie Pinheiro and I travel by myself because it's a rare space where I can say yes without asking anyone else first. I'm on a mission to reclaim the word solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I tried to be alone, I kept meeting people and they were like, you smiled at us. Not a lot of people smile around here. It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a solo travel veteran or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 8 (19:07) Hey, this is Hayes Davenport and Sean Clements. We host the podcast Hollywood Handbook on the Big Money Players Network. Our Speaker 7 (19:14) show is extremely accessible to first-time listeners. Each week, we talk to someone in show business, aka The Biz, and try to help them with their careers and see what they have to offer us. Everyone has a good time and no one gets mad at their publicist for letting them do our show. Speaker 8 (19:28) We've had a lot of great guests like Sarah Sherman, not that great. Speaker 3 (19:31) Actually, can you help me shape this? How about we flip it on its head? How about we flip the script? What if the surprise woman, who actually you think is the straight man, is actually the one who's acting weird? Speaker 8 (19:46) Adam Scott. This entire time, you've been expecting Adam Sandler to come to visit the show. I would never let go of that. I have. I would never set expectations for something like that. It seems like if the universe allows for something like that to happen, I'm open to it. I'm always going to accept, you know, Danny McBride. Fine. Yeah. It's all this fragile masculinity exuding. I could smell it walking down the hallway, to be honest with you. I was Speaker 4 (20:17) like, Speaker 8 (20:17) is that weed? Nope. It's fragile masculinity. Ben Speaker 7 (20:22) Stiller, no. Because a lot of times, out of context, people don't get it or even know what a circle is. You know what I mean? They're so stupid. Everyone's so dumb except for you. And Speaker 8 (20:33) fake. Speaker 7 (20:33) Right, fake and also not interested or just like, oh, I've got my life. I don't care about your life. Speaker 8 (20:40) And a lot of other big shots that wouldn't be where they are without. us oh Speaker 7 (20:43) and by the way will ferrell told us personally he loves the show and he wants to be a guest on every episode but he's just so busy listen Speaker 8 (20:50) to hollywood handbook on Speaker 7 (20:51) the Speaker 8 (20:51) iheart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts Speaker 1 (21:02) All right, Marissa and Adam are clothing shopping, trying on ridiculous outfits. Is this what he really wears? I think this is like actually what he wears. And again, Speaker 2 (21:11) I'm all for self-expression, like do your thing. But it is just stare at me, stare at me, stare at me. Everything this guy puts on. Speaker 1 (21:18) Well, and she, you know, she says like he's doing full send Adam, but that she's getting the ick. Which is so funny because I think she's physically attracted to him, but it's his style like. you know, peacocking. It's just a little much. Speaker 2 (21:32) Hey, Maddie, I have a question. Speaker 3 (21:33) Yes. Speaker 2 (21:34) Because I've heard from different women the possibility of different things. But so I won't even, I'll phrase it this way. Once you get the ick, can you be cured of said ick? Speaker 3 (21:46) Ooh, it depends how like deep that ick really went. Like with Adam, this is him. Like he's never changing. If you have the ick with this, I don't see how it could ever go away. Speaker 8 (22:00) Right. Okay. Speaker 3 (22:01) Yeah. If it's something where it's like, eh, they did it once. Okay. You know? Speaker 2 (22:06) So there could be, there could be temporary ick. Speaker 1 (22:09) Yes, I would say so. Speaker 1 (22:12) Just checking. Have you ever had the ick with somebody? Me? Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Oh, sure. I Speaker 2 (22:19) mean, Speaker 1 (22:19) you kind of know within a date or two, right? Yeah. Speaker 2 (22:22) Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And it's usually something that it's like, okay, we're never getting past that. No. But then I'm also such a pussy that it's like I'll be together for a year because I don't want to break up with somebody. Like I don't want to have that kind of like that scene. I want to avoid that scene. Speaker 1 (22:37) I'm pretty. I like when I've broken up with people, it's the three month mark. Oh, it's like, you know what? This is not going to change. And then I just know, like, you know, this is going to last or not. And if I make it past three months, I've Speaker 2 (22:54) broken up with almost nobody. I usually get broken up with. Really? Yeah, sure. Speaker 1 (22:58) I think I'm 50 50. Speaker 2 (23:00) Okay. That's healthy. But neither Speaker 1 (23:02) of us literally dated that much, dude. No, Speaker 2 (23:05) that's the thing. We were serial monogamists. I know. Yeah, Speaker 1 (23:08) we were. Speaker 2 (23:08) Both of us were. And then I was just alone. That was just the easiest way. Right, right. So Speaker 1 (23:12) it Speaker 2 (23:12) was more simple that way. Speaker 1 (23:13) Yeah. But I think you get the ick, like, mostly with, like, how somebody, like, eats. Yep. Right? And then whether, like, in your case, like, whether they shower enough or, like, how they smell. Not Speaker 2 (23:28) smart or not funny. That's a big one for me where it's like, Like I will get certain like you'll hear things and then you'll be in a regular conversation and it'll throw something out like, well, if if the earth is round or something like where you're like, oh, my Speaker 1 (23:41) God. Yes, that was just Speaker 2 (23:42) kind of like everything shuts off after that. It's like, OK, right. Like, so, yeah, I'll have that with I'll get a sentence or two where I'm like, oh, everything just changed with the last thing you just said. Speaker 1 (23:52) Right. What about not knowing who Keanu Reeves is? That's just Speaker 2 (23:56) absurd. I wouldn't know what to Speaker 1 (23:59) do. I wouldn't either. It's Speaker 2 (24:00) like, what? Speaker 1 (24:04) Shiloh once dated my brother again, but he once dated somebody who said to him, like, I don't like movies. I don't like film. Like, I just couldn't. And he stayed with her for a while. But, like, I remember me and Chris are... mutual friend chris levitis and you know we're like if someone says like this is what you do for a living you like this is the greatest art form in the world and if that you can't be a partner with i was like or i Speaker 2 (24:30) don't read at all no i've not i've read like one book in my life i'd be like okay that's an issue that would be an issue yeah yeah i think Speaker 1 (24:38) that's what because i mean i actually yeah Yeah, no, I think intelligence is definitely a big one for me. Yeah, Speaker 2 (24:44) I get more of an intellectual ick than I do a physical ick because I'm also the opposite where, you know, I'm no prize how I look. Yeah, you're really unattractive. No, but I mean, I'm also not Brad Pitt, you know. Speaker 1 (24:57) Ugo is the word. I Speaker 2 (24:59) think I'm naturally, I give myself a solid 6.5 soft seven. Like I'm, and I'm okay with that.