Episode 554 | Seashells by the Seashore

New Rory & MAL

The hosts review recent music releases from artists like Quavo, Victoria Monet, and Yung Miami, debating album quality, production styles, and sample usage. They

Key takeaways

• Quavo's new Pharrell-produced album is praised for its polished Miami vibe but criticized by some hosts as lacking Atlanta authenticity.
• Tyler, The Creator's feature on Quavo's track sparked debate over whether it qualifies as a
• drawing comparisons to Andre 3000 and Kanye West's past collaborations.
• A physical altercation at ComplexCon left rapper LUCKI with a neck wound after allegedly clashing with members of Playboi Carti's camp.
• Streamer Kai Cenat is accused by former associate Reggie O'Malley of grooming, prompting discussions about the dangerous normalization of weaponizing serious allegations online.
• Gorgeous Doll publicly claimed Kai paid her $200,000 to terminate a twin pregnancy, sparking debates about privacy, NDAs, and transactional relationships.

Main topics

• New music reviews (Quavo, Victoria Monet, Yung Miami)
• ComplexCon altercation & Playboi Carti's star status
• Kai Cenat allegations & abortion payment claims

Notable quotes

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Conclusion

The episode offers a blend of music critique and celebrity gossip while using recent

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Speaker 1 (0:00) This is an iHeart Podcast. Speaker 1 (0:02) Guaranteed human. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast? Here's what you missed. People wake up and go, oh, damn, wait a minute, hold up. They changed all of that? Speaker 5 (0:12) Yes. It's real. This is a wholesale attack. It is targeting black people in every federal agency. It's raw. White folks have never allowed that reckoning to last more than a decade. Catch Roland Martin's Speaker 6 (0:25) daily commentary on the Black Information Network. Speaker 1 (0:27) And download Roland Martin Unfiltered on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever Speaker 5 (0:32) you get your podcasts. Speaker 4 (1:09) All right, welcome back. The weather is just the way my complexion likes it. Brisk. It's so brisk outside. Brisk in the morning. Little long-sleeved shirt today. Yeah. Light jacket. It's great. It's your time to shine now. This Speaker 6 (1:27) is my favorite month of Speaker 4 (1:28) the Speaker 6 (1:28) year. Speaker 4 (1:28) You're like Speaker 6 (1:28) the groundhog. For Speaker 4 (1:29) sure. This Speaker 6 (1:29) is when you come outside and you determine whether it's going to be like... Speaker 4 (1:32) If my forehead turns red, then there's another two weeks of summer. Exactly. Exactly. no i october is my favorite month because i'm not like a birthday girly Speaker 4 (1:44) Yeah, October. See, if Speaker 6 (1:45) I say that, they're going to say I'm glazing. You know what I'm saying? Look how you, look how the white man, you could just say October is your favorite month. And they're like, oh, great weather. The foliage and the fall is great. Yeah. Halloween. There's hay everywhere. Speaker 4 (1:56) I say October Speaker 6 (1:56) is my favorite month. Yo, you glazing. Speaker 4 (1:58) Yeah. I mean, that is true. Speaker 6 (2:00) Yeah. You can't get that. I can't say that. Even though it is, even though it's one of my favorite months just because I love fall in New York City. I can't say that. I feel like outside of Speaker 4 (2:09) people's birthday months for the most part. The beginning of fall or the beginning of summer is everyone's favorite. You Speaker 2 (2:14) lost baby D? You need help? No, I was just wondering why your brain went to that. Speaker 4 (2:18) That's where the audience brain Speaker 2 (2:19) would go. Speaker 4 (2:20) Yeah, if Maul said October is my favorite month, without question, there'd be comments about that. For sure. Speaker 2 (2:25) Yeah, no, I agree. I just didn't think that he would think. That's why I was like, wait, what? How did you even think of that? But you think it ahead. That's good. You think it ahead. It's because this is very young. Speaker 4 (2:34) Because he owns the month. That's what I'm supposed to do when I sit here. Think Speaker 2 (2:37) ahead. You got it. That's smart. Speaker 4 (2:39) I'm just trying to. Does like everyone in OVO have October birthdays? Is that why they did it? Like it's 40 and all them in October? Speaker 3 (2:45) Oh, Speaker 4 (2:46) that's kind of cool then. That makes sense. Yeah, I actually never really, besides Drake's birthday, thought about the label name. Yeah. Like OVO. It's Speaker 6 (2:54) crazy how that happened too. Like just real friends grow Speaker 4 (2:56) up together and like. They all have, yeah. Most of their birthdays in Speaker 6 (2:59) October. You missed it by like a day. Speaker 6 (3:03) Six days, man. Six more days. Yeah, like your mom should have held out. She should have held me because she didn't know that a guy that wasn't even born yet would go on to have a brand called... You told she spent a lot of time in Canada, so maybe there's some distant relative there. Definitely, definitely. We definitely have family and cousins somewhere along the line, though, for sure. I haven't dug that deep into the family tree yet, but it's there. Speaker 4 (3:27) Yeah. I mean, I canceled my 23andMe because they sold everyone's... you know dna but we gotta get into that like what happens to the to the they Speaker 6 (3:37) sold it Speaker 4 (3:37) and didn't get in trouble for it but like what happens to the sperm they don't use at the sperm bank i never gave them sperm i'm not saying i'm just saying like you never thought about nothing for 23 and me is crazy Speaker 4 (3:49) But I'm just Speaker 6 (3:49) saying, you never thought about that? What do they do with the sperm from the sperm break that they don't use? Speaker 4 (3:53) They just caught some woman on camera and I'm... Don't quote me. I'm pretty sure it was real. I didn't fact check because I didn't care that much. But they caught a woman on camera like taking shots. Oh my God. Of sperm? Yes. This was like over the weekend. I'm not making this up. This was on Twitter, so it's real. And she was on camera doing like pickleback shots of cum. That was AI. Speaker 2 (4:17) Oh, that CCTV Speaker 4 (4:18) looked real. They even blurred the cum. Speaker 4 (4:23) Oh my God. That's the... Speaker 6 (4:25) Yeah. No, I'm not just saying this because you brought it up. This really... Or maybe she had like low protein or something that she needed. Yeah, that was her right there. Oh, yeah. I'll Speaker 4 (4:32) never forget her face. She looks like the type. Speaker 2 (4:34) Find the actual article for that, Ryan, not the report on the report of it. Speaker 4 (4:38) Yeah. But no, there was CCTV of her just throwing them back. So to answer your question, Maul, the semen that is not used... Yeah. ...is drank by the employees. Well, I mean, Speaker 6 (4:49) good for them. You know. Hopefully they're enjoying their shots of. I guess tequila. You want to call it that? Sperm-a-sado? Sperm-a-sado? I mean, there's Speaker 4 (5:00) like four different Netflix docs about like what people did with sperm at the sperm bank. Like sick, insane things. So I'm sure nothing really good happens. I think anything with banks like they are like. you know where they keep dead bodies for too long someone's gonna fuck it like you just can't keep you can't keep things around people for too long not things like things just can't Speaker 2 (5:23) be Speaker 4 (5:23) around people for too long or weird shit starts to happen so yeah i doubt it's just locked up in the freezer if it's not being used but yes how was uh let me not even say everyone's weekend you guys were here kind of late on thursday i feel like uh Speaker 6 (5:38) i left before pj and damaris oh i was we was here kind of I was here until what? 7 maybe? 7.30? That's a late night for you. Yes, that's late for me. That's like getting out of the club. You was outside. Yeah, that's me being outside. Being in the office until 7. That's my being outside for sure. But you guys were running Speaker 4 (5:57) the Victoria album at like midnight, right? You guys were here late late. Speaker 2 (6:00) Yeah, we were here. What time did we leave? Like 3 a.m.? Yeah. Speaker 4 (6:03) God damn. Speaker 2 (6:04) We did. We did. New Music Fridays. We listened to all the new music came out. It's on your Patreon if you ever want to go watch it. Speaker 6 (6:10) And y'all Speaker 2 (6:11) didn't make it out of October sober. Yes, we did. Well, I... Let me speak for me. I Speaker 6 (6:17) think Damaris is capping. I'm calling cap. Can we get a cap? I need Damaris' cap. Speaker 2 (6:21) You Speaker 6 (6:21) need a Speaker 2 (6:21) cap to just throw this map of him up there. Speaker 6 (6:23) Damaris is capping. Damaris Speaker 4 (6:25) definitely had a drink this weekend. Speaker 2 (6:27) Peach. Speaker 4 (6:28) Well, I mean, Peej put in the group chat, sober October 2027. Speaker 2 (6:31) Yeah. We knew he Speaker 4 (6:33) gave up during the Yankee game. I was Speaker 2 (6:36) laughing at him because I know what he's talking about. I see Peej like what? We were together Thursday and then I seen him Saturday night. Speaker 1 (6:43) Okay. No look. We was chilling. Speaker 2 (6:47) But yeah, Victoria's album. We play Victoria's. We play what? Quavo's. We play new Carisha. How's the Quavo album? The Quavo album is a Pharrell produced Quavo album. Speaker 4 (7:01) Yeah, like I know that sounds like a bullshit review, but that is it's exactly what you think it is. Yeah, Speaker 2 (7:07) that's Speaker 4 (7:07) what I don't mean that. That's like Speaker 6 (7:09) me going to McDonald's and asking the worker, how's the burgers? Speaker 2 (7:12) And they're like. It's a McDonald's burger. But you know exactly what you want. It's a McDonald's burger. Like, if they told you it's a Five Guys burger, you know what to expect. Like, it literally is that. It's not for me, but that's not saying that it's bad or... I Speaker 3 (7:27) like Speaker 6 (7:27) it. Can we get there with honesty? Because I would play Speaker 2 (7:32) it. Speaker 6 (7:32) When we say it's not for me, that's just a nice way of saying, like, I ain't like it. Which is fine. Which is fine. I don't Speaker 2 (7:37) think Speaker 6 (7:37) there's a way to be respectful and not like something like this. You cannot like something to still be respectful of the artist. And I think that's the way I think I don't. It's not for me. I Speaker 2 (7:46) don't know who it's. So when I say it's not for me, I don't know who it's for. That doesn't mean that it's not good music because it's like I can't see the Atlanta niggas bump into this. Speaker 1 (7:57) I see people. That's what I'm saying. I Speaker 2 (7:59) felt like, oh, I would enjoy this album more if I was in Miami on a yacht. Yeah. It gives me more that like I need a shirt that blows in the wind. Like it's like that kind of album. It's not like they not going to be riding with sticks that is in Atlanta. Speaker 6 (8:13) Yeah. Speaker 2 (8:14) Like but there's some there's some songs on there that have if they push it right, right. Video can be hits. can be hits for sure that he has a Justin Timberlake right Peach a Justin Timberlake feature on there that like will fuck Zara up like Speaker 4 (8:28) that's the single that was the one the snippet they they recorded that on a yacht in Miami oh see so that makes sense you see Speaker 2 (8:34) what I'm saying like that's what I feel from it so they recorded most of this Speaker 4 (8:37) in Miami yeah Speaker 2 (8:38) it's good music but I just don't know if he's gonna be able to find an audience for it if that makes sense I Speaker 4 (8:45) I like it it is for me it didn't surpass or go below my expectations. I kind of expected it to sound. Speaker 4 (8:54) like a bunch of stir fries in a different type of way. It Speaker 2 (8:58) surpassed my Speaker 4 (8:59) expectations a little bit. But to your point, I was worried. I would, yes, throw this on on vacation or in Miami or somewhere warm. Going into the fall in New York, that's not where my mind state is, is this project. Agreed. But, I mean, that's the beauty of music. It's not like you only have one week to listen to the fucking album. So this will definitely get burned. I just don't know. If it's going to be in my New Jersey fall playlist. Yeah. For the time being. But I did enjoy it. Like, I do think it's good music. Speaker 2 (9:29) Yeah, me and Peej was like, wait, hold on. Like, it's some shit on here. I wasn't expecting it to be as good as it was. Like I said, I just, it's a certain time, certain place album. And I forgot which record they were killing on Speaker 4 (9:42) the timeline. I can just tell a lot of y'all never really listened to Pharrell growing up. Not every, Pharrell makes a lot of very. minimal beats that if they did not have a great rapper on them, you would think they stink. Yeah. Like Pharrell has classics. That's Speaker 6 (9:58) a Speaker 4 (9:58) lot of Speaker 6 (9:58) beats though. I Speaker 4 (9:59) know. And Pharrell is, is a genius with his minimalistic ones. But if you didn't put the certain artist on it, it's gonna sound like shit. So people are killing Pharrell beats that he's been making this type of beat forever. Speaker 2 (10:11) And I don't think the beats Speaker 4 (10:12) were shit. I don't think they were at all. I think this is a great Pharrell produced album. And even though of course, I love the Neptunes together. And I think they both bring a certain aspect to beats that is missing when Chad is not there or Pharrell is not there. Pharrell, this is a great production. I wasn't mad at it at all. Speaker 2 (10:33) I was disappointed in the Tyler feature because that's probably my least favorite song on the album. And I thought it would be my favorite song on the album and it was my least favorite. Speaker 4 (10:40) Well, I loved how he posted on Thursday. This is my greatest verse, what I did with the English language. could not be whatever the fuck he said that was hilarious and then he's just on there going like Speaker 4 (10:52) It's a troll. All right. Yeah. He's Speaker 6 (10:54) trolling. Yeah, but don't troll on my album though. Speaker 2 (10:58) Like, Speaker 6 (10:59) I get it, but don't, don't use my feature for my album and start trolling. I do it like that same shit you did on Chromacopia. What was the name of this shit? Give me some of that shit. Speaker 2 (11:06) Don't go crazy on Chike shit and then troll on my Speaker 6 (11:08) shit. Yeah, Speaker 2 (11:08) like Speaker 6 (11:08) don't Speaker 2 (11:09) get Speaker 6 (11:09) me to troll. Give me the Chromacopia, the AZ Chike shit. Give me that, give me that Tyler. Like don't get me to trolling Tyler. I don't want that on my album. Speaker 4 (11:16) Um, okay. You guys say that, but. There's been plenty of like troll verses that I feel like have done. I wish I thought more about this before we did the episode. Speaker 2 (11:25) I would Speaker 4 (11:25) say name them like Maul be doing. Name them. Yeah, I know. But there's been like basic verses that have gone crazy. Speaker 4 (11:31) Whereas you didn't get the intricate version of that artist. Speaker 6 (11:34) No, it ain't troll verses, though. It's the verses you could tell where it was like, nigga didn't really want to do it. Like, it was like, you know, here, like... Y Speaker 2 (11:42) 'all know what's Speaker 6 (11:42) a Speaker 2 (11:42) troll verse? Andre 3000 verse on Deuces. Speaker 4 (11:48) Yeah, could have left three stacks off Speaker 2 (11:50) that. No, but it's one of my favorite verses. Like, I love it. It fits on there. But Speaker 4 (11:54) it is a troll. He never really gets into, like, in the beginning, it's cool. Like, all right, he's about to cook. And then... The saute never comes. You just Speaker 6 (12:02) stays right there. Is Speaker 2 (12:03) that when Speaker 6 (12:03) something Speaker 4 (12:03) we said something seashells, Speaker 6 (12:05) bodice. Bodice, sure. Speaker 2 (12:06) But she's not a boar. Speaker 6 (12:07) But I'm a player. A whore. Something like that, right? Speaker 2 (12:09) Beneath a Speaker 6 (12:10) whore. Who needs to know more? And go give you all the details. The Speaker 4 (12:11) guy Speaker 6 (12:11) you Speaker 2 (12:11) can't ignore but wants to open the door for or. Yo, he was trolling. Oh, D. I don't think three Speaker 6 (12:20) stacks here is the beat. Like when he does a feature, I think whatever he's feeling, that's what he don't even. I don't even think they put the music on his headphones. Well, I'm. I think that's how much, that's how great of a rapper he is. It's like, it's just going to, it's going to blend with the beat, but it ain't going to match nothing that has anything to do with the song. It's going to be like, he's in his own world and this is just his thoughts at the time. Speaker 4 (12:41) Uh, I mean, I know solo reprise on blonde. Speaker 4 (12:44) They redid like that. He didn't cut it to that beat. They just took his vocals. International Players Anthem. They wanted three stacks on the beat that we hear Pimp and Bun on. And he sent that shit back and they were pissed at first. They was literally upset. Like, what are you doing right here? And I mean, that tend to work out. But yes, I think three stacks is not going to pay attention to... what the subject matter of the record outside of like maybe ti sorry he's gonna say whatever the fuck he feels at whatever he doesn't have to do with the record like i was at dev jam when he did 16 and enough and that song was not called 16 and enough ross just wanted a three stacks feature and he sent back like 82 bars so they changed the entire concept of the song to 16 and enough like that ross had a whole different song and then three stacks sent that back like now here's a whole different beat this is a different song now. So, yeah, that's what you're going to get with him. And I think Tyler did that on this one. Speaker 6 (13:45) Yeah, but don't give me the troll verse though because, you know, you can't, you can't get a verse back from Tyler and not put it on your album. Of course not. So that's why, see, this era is different. It's like, see, before when you were paying because nobody pays for verses. Verse swap. A lot of these is verse swaps. A lot of these is relationships. But like, when you were paying for a verse and the verse was trash, You could be like, nah, dog. I'm not putting that. Like, you got to. Now it's like we might not be friends anymore because this was only like on a favor because I fuck with you like. Speaker 4 (14:19) Yeah, okay, but... It does serve the song. And to what's the matter said, it's not my favorite song on the album either, but it's not like this was some serious ass record where we needed Tyler to bar up. Like it's a fun song. It is a fun song. So even though it's a troll, it's not like he's trying to purposely ruin the song. No, no. Speaker 6 (14:40) I think he served the song in a fun way. For a Quavo record, you don't need to bar up crazy. Like you don't need to go in there and go, you just need to have fun, you know, talk some shit, have some, you know, some style in there. But like if y'all seen it, somebody said trolling verse. I'm just saying if I'm Quavo, I don't want a trolling verse for my album. Like, I don't want nobody to hear your verse and be like, nah, he trolling. Don't do that. Because if y'all feel like that, I probably felt like that when I heard the verse. Speaker 4 (15:06) Yeah. And I mean, Speaker 6 (15:07) I Speaker 4 (15:07) think... Speaker 6 (15:07) Because to say it's trolling me, it's like, all right, he was just on here just doing whatever he, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's... So I would feel that if I got the verse back before I put it on my album, I would feel the same way. Like, all right, what the fuck? Tyler just on here just doing anything. Speaker 4 (15:20) Yeah. I was watching, um, Schoolboy was on someone's platform. And remember that part with Kanye West? Fucking amazing record. Remember how Kanye starts that shit? Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Like, Schoolboy was like, when they got the verse back, he was like, man, why did I, he's just playing games with me. Like, why did I even do, like, I played myself. Asking for this verse. Yeah. And Schoolboy said, now at the concert, even in this era, that is by far, by far the loudest thing everyone yells in, in, at his shows. Speaker 6 (15:52) I Speaker 4 (15:53) mean, it's just Speaker 3 (15:53) Kanye Speaker 6 (15:54) going, okay, okay, okay. Well, I mean, it doesn't hurt that it's Speaker 4 (15:57) Kanye. Well, Kanye then went on to smoke the rest of that verse. He didn't just say, okay. But it starts out like it feels like a troll. Yeah. Like there's a little too many okays in this verse. I Speaker 6 (16:07) was watching, um, Speaker 6 (16:10) The Jay-Z and 8 docuseries. And he was talking about the verse he got when he sent Kanye about the red hat. Speaker 4 (16:17) Yeah. Speaker 6 (16:19) And how Kanye felt some way about that. And he was saying, well, you know. Speaker 6 (16:23) You don't have to put it on the album, but like. you know, I'm not changing it. Like, yeah. Speaker 6 (16:32) Would you not put a J verse on your album? Like if you didn't feel like if you felt like he was saying something about you on the verse that you was like, I'm not putting that out. Speaker 4 (16:41) Or do you gotta let it go out? No, you have to let it go out. But speaking of Three Stacks, remember that happens with Life of the Party. Kanye with Donda was on that no cursing. Everything was, if you cursed on his album, he was gonna do the edited version. There would be no explicit version. And Three Stacks said, no, you're not going to edit my verse. It's not going out. So from Three Stacks standpoint, he was on the same shit. Kanye was on. Like, I'm not comfortable with this shit, so it's not going out. But I don't think Jay dissed him on there. Speaker 6 (17:16) No, he didn't diss him. It wasn't a diss. It was, you know, telling him his real feelings about what he was doing, some things that he was saying. And he just said it on the verse. Speaker 6 (17:26) Yeah, he didn't. He Speaker 2 (17:27) felt a way about it, which is fine. You gotta go to Cardi Rope. Speaker 2 (17:32) You just be honest. We on the same song? You throwing shade? All right. We gonna throw shade together on the same song. I mean, he addressed Red Hat shit on Speaker 4 (17:39) Donda already. But I feel like usually you'd expect Kanye, even if you were dissing Kanye on his own record, I feel like he'd be the one to encourage that, if that makes any sense. Kanye seems like that type. Let's make controversy. That shit he did with T.I., where him and T.I. went back and forth. Speaker 4 (17:59) Maybe Jay's the only one that he doesn't want to hear that from. Speaker 6 (18:01) Yeah. Because Speaker 4 (18:02) everyone else I feel like would be like, yeah, diss me. Speaker 4 (18:05) So I think it would have been weird if he didn't put that out. Speaker 6 (18:11) Yeah, certain artists, though, you have to can't one you can't say no to the verse they send back and like You have to put it up even if you don't like it even if you feel like it's not strong enough Because you kind of now more than ever you need that relationship Yeah Speaker 2 (18:27) with Speaker 6 (18:28) certain artists certain caliber. Yeah, everybody you don't need a relation but it's certain artists with a Kanye a Jay-z a three stacks like you don't want to ruin a relationship with those type of Even a Tyler Even if Tyler did create it. Even though I don't see Tyler ever being in a position where he has a real issue with somebody. Tyler just seems like a genuinely... If he fucks with you, he seems like a genuinely nice guy. It wouldn't be something that he was like, okay, I'm not fucking with you no more because you didn't use my verse. I think Tyler would laugh about it and rap about it before he cut you off. Speaker 4 (18:59) Yeah. Yeah. I mean, speaking of that song, Jail, that's one of my walkbacks. Remember we were talking about having that segment of something you just want to walk back of an opinion you had? Speaker 2 (19:10) I Speaker 4 (19:10) didn't particularly love Jail when Donda first dropped just based off the history that Kanye and Jay have with working together. And I was wrong. I fucking love that song. Speaker 6 (19:21) That Speaker 4 (19:21) song is really, really good. It's one of those that years later you look back and be like, that shit is fire. Speaker 2 (19:28) Wait, what do you mean based on the history? Were you trying to compare it to WTT? Speaker 4 (19:32) I mean, not just Watch the Throne, but just in general. And I guess the sonics of that song threw me off a bit where I don't know if I wanted to hear Jay on that type of beat with the return of Kanye and Jay. Because at that point they had fallen out, but not to the degree that we're at now. They could easily reconcile. So I was like, oh, is this the return? Speaker 4 (19:56) I was looking for and I was wrong for that. Not everything should be fucking no church for the while. This was a really good record. JL is a really, really good record. You didn't like it when it came out. I was kind of like... Speaker 6 (20:12) Confused a little bit, but you know. It happens. I could walk back a lot of my takes on music as well. Some certain records. Speaker 4 (20:20) I mean, I love Donda when it came out, so I'm not walking back anything there, but I think Donda should be revisited in Kanye's catalog. I don't have an exact number of where it would go, but I don't think we, just because so many antics were happening and how Kanye put it out with the live stuff, like you never felt like you got a full proper version because things changed so much. Donda is an incredible, incredible album. Yeah, for sure. It's one of my favorite Kanye albums. Speaker 4 (20:47) In bringing up the best Kanye West albums, I find it... To me, it's like his American Gangster. Okay. Like, that's one. Give it some time. When we go back, be like, damn, Donna holds up against all his shit. Speaker 6 (20:58) It Speaker 4 (20:59) might creep past some of your favorite Kanye albums if you get in the weeds of it. Speaker 6 (21:02) Yeah. Speaker 4 (21:03) It's the features. He got the best of everybody. Like, everyone stepped up on that project. Speaker 3 (21:10) Every Speaker 4 (21:10) guest verse is insane. That Donna album is really, really good. Yeah, I agree. Speaker 2 (21:15) So, what would be your top three? Speaker 2 (21:19) Not your favorite. Which ones do you think are the best? Speaker 4 (21:23) Yeah. My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. That's his shit. That's Rory's shit right there. That's one of Speaker 2 (21:29) the Speaker 4 (21:29) best Speaker 2 (21:29) albums of all time. That's Rory's shit. Speaker 4 (21:32) You'd have to go graduation. Speaker 2 (21:34) Would you? Speaker 4 (21:40) And this isn't, you're saying not my personal favorite. Speaker 2 (21:42) Not your personal favorite. Top Speaker 4 (21:43) three. Top Speaker 2 (21:44) three Speaker 6 (21:44) best. Well, this would have to be personal to him. Like that's not like, it's not law. Speaker 2 (21:49) Well, his shit is not law. No, but you can say what you think are the best. Like I have an idea of what albums I think are the best, but I know that those aren't my favorites. Speaker 4 (22:02) Yeah, the third one is where I'm a little lost of where it could go. Importance, I would have to put 808s at number three, but I don't know if that'd be something that masses would agree, like college dropout and what that did and the amount of hits it has on it. You could easily say, my people's dark twist of fantasy, graduation, college dropout. But if you want to go on impact to music, 808s has to be in Speaker 2 (22:23) the Speaker 4 (22:23) top three. Speaker 2 (22:25) Okay. More. Speaker 4 (22:30) Bully. Bully. Jesus is king. Yay. Speaker 6 (22:38) College dropout. graduation. Speaker 6 (22:43) Oh. Speaker 6 (22:46) And my beautiful Doctor Who fantasy. Speaker 2 (22:48) In that order? Speaker 6 (22:49) Yeah. Speaker 2 (22:52) yeah Speaker 4 (22:52) late registration doesn't get us it's just do i feel like great album Speaker 4 (22:59) Yeah, it's like as nothing was the same to me. It could be up there with the top and it just doesn't, for some reason, take care, gets a stat over it. Speaker 6 (23:10) But Speaker 4 (23:10) late registration is fire. Yay. Outside of yay. Speaker 4 (23:17) EA doesn't really have. even a subpar album. I mean, they're all like, they're all incredible. Speaker 6 (23:26) Yeah. I mean, it's attention to detail and you know, it's, it's he's, he's, he's who he is for a reason. It's the reason he's been able to do the things and say the things that he said and still able to sell out stadiums around the world. He's just, he's just one of the greatest we've ever had. So it is what it is. Like outside of Speaker 4 (23:45) big three, Hove. Speaker 4 (23:49) And maybe that's it. What other artist has put out like a life of Pablo that far into their career? Like how old was Kanye when Life of Pablo came out? That was that was a relevant classic album to kids. And he was like 36. Speaker 2 (24:02) How old is he now? Because you could just subtract 10 years, baby. Speaker 4 (24:06) I might have been in this almost 40? Speaker 2 (24:10) 49. Speaker 4 (24:10) Kanye's 49, yeah. So that was 10 years ago. He was 39 and put out something relevant to kids in rap. Speaker 2 (24:16) Yeah. Because Speaker 4 (24:17) even like 444, I loved, but I'm not going to pretend like that was the most relevant rap album to younger kids. Life of Pablo, he's 40 years old and kids from 10 years old to 40 years old, absolutely love it. I argue that that might be when he got Speaker 2 (24:32) the young kids. I would argue that that's when the turn in his career, when he got the young kids. I agree. Speaker 6 (24:39) No, hell Speaker 2 (24:40) no. Speaker 6 (24:41) He came Speaker 2 (24:41) in with the young kids. I Speaker 6 (24:42) know, but they Speaker 2 (24:43) grew up. They grew up. So we're so the young kids when the college dropout came out was like me. I'm an adult now. I was 14. Ten years ago, I was an adult. I'm talking about he had kids. And the kids then are what are now pushing his career. Even when the adults were trying to fall off of him a little bit. The kids are the ones at his concert in the pit, ranting, raving, not giving a fuck about anything that he says or does. Like Kanye has a young fan base. Speaker 4 (25:11) That's actually a really good. I think the life of Pablo was the fork in Kanye's career where he could have went legacy or stayed. He started extremely relevant. to the younger generation. Like the pandemonium at Complex Con doesn't happen unless he stays the life of Pablo Routt instead of like doing a bunch of soul sample beats and being like, oh, my core fan base will love this because I'm 40. I don't really want to, you know, try to compete with the young kids. Speaker 2 (25:39) He Speaker 4 (25:40) did the Madison Square listening party, which was the most relevant fucking thing ever and had Lil Yachty modeling. Like he stayed relevant with it, not looking like he was the old guy at the party chasing him. Speaker 2 (25:52) And Speaker 4 (25:52) that's rarely happened. Because that complex con, did Kanye look old? No. I mean, you couldn't see him. He had a mask on, but I mean, it didn't look weird. Probably. No, he didn't have a mask on. He just had his shades on. I'm Speaker 2 (26:06) just Speaker 4 (26:06) talking shit. Speaker 4 (26:09) So, yeah, I just think he's the only artist that has been able to do that in hip hop. Yeah, we Speaker 2 (26:14) can move on. But I do want to say one thing. I know we say that 808s and heartbreaks was important in hip hop, but so was Yeezus. And I feel like a lot of people leave that out. Yeezus affected the landscape of hip hop at the time as well. Yeah. Throw that in there. Speaker 6 (26:28) I Speaker 4 (26:28) completely. Because we give 808s Speaker 6 (26:29) and Speaker 2 (26:29) heartbeats. Speaker 6 (26:30) I wasn't rocking Speaker 2 (26:30) with Speaker 4 (26:30) Jesus is King. That wasn't childlike. Water is top 20 Kanye West song, which is saying something. Jesus is King is a good album. Yeah. Even if that's not your type of content, you can't deny any of the production on that at all. And even how cool the Sunday service stuff was around that time. Like he made that shit cool. You was there bopping your head with Khloe Kardashian. You bought the Holy Spirit like in Blues Brothers. Oh, Speaker 6 (26:59) it was Speaker 4 (26:59) great. Great. Speaker 6 (27:00) Great Speaker 4 (27:01) sermon. Speaker 6 (27:02) Great music. Speaker 2 (27:03) Was were the sermons like actually good at those? Like they were. Speaker 6 (27:07) It was just the choir performing. Oh, there was nobody ever spoke? I mean, the choir director spoke a little bit, but it wasn't like the prototypical like church. Oh, Speaker 2 (27:16) I thought it was like church. I just thought we never saw that part and we just saw the music. It leaned more Baptist than Catholic. Speaker 6 (27:22) It was Speaker 2 (27:23) jamming. It was like, we're going to get Speaker 6 (27:24) the word through the music, though. OK. That type of thing. It wasn't like the Bible thumping. It wasn't the prototypical Bible thumping service. It wasn't that. It was good. Good music, though. they had their renditions on you know some of the songs and it was cool i understood it i see what it was it was trying to again trying to connect with younger people yeah as far as you know through Speaker 4 (27:47) the word of god and things like that so i get it yeah i mean shit even doing coach was it coachella easter that he did that shit too like he he even made the jesus king stuff like relevant to people that are not religious whatsoever they just wanted to be around god he had he had atheists like nah i'm gonna wear purple today Speaker 4 (28:07) Bye. Speaker 6 (28:11) Boost Mobile has proven that you don't have to overpay for great wireless. Unlock the savings with $25 a month for our unlimited plan. It's a permanent price with no contracts and no price hikes. You can keep your phone and your number, but you save up to $600 a