Episode 553 | Lethal Injection

New Rory & MAL

The hosts open with personal challenges around Sober October and No Nut November before pivoting to Tennessee's botched lethal injection of death row inmate Krista Pike, sparking a heated debate on capital punishment versus life

Key takeaways

• Krista Pike survived two doses of pentobarbital in Tennessee, prompting Governor Bill Lee to pause executions and review state policy
• Diddy is reportedly paying inmates thousands monthly for massages, cooking, and laundry while using jailbroken tablets and contraband phones at Fort Dix

Main topics

• Sober October and No Nut November challenges
• Tennessee death penalty policy and botched execution

Notable quotes

I don't think a lot of people are born evil.

Conclusion

The episode balances serious discussions on capital punishment and celebrity

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) This is an iHeart Podcast. Speaker 1 (0:02) Guaranteed human. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast? Speaker 3 (0:07) Here's what you missed. People wake up and go, oh, damn, Speaker 1 (0:10) wait a minute, hold up. They changed all of that? Speaker 3 (0:12) Yes. It's real. This is a wholesale attack. It is targeting black people in every federal agency. It's raw. White folks have never allowed that reckoning to last more than a decade. Catch Roland Martin's daily commentary on the Black Information Network. Speaker 1 (0:27) And download Roland Martin Unfiltered on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever Speaker 3 (0:32) you get your podcasts. Speaker 6 (1:09) First of all, we are back sponsored by Boost. I don't think Boost agrees with anything you just said. Well, we're back sponsored by Boost. I don't know if they're going to agree with much we have to say on this episode, but we're back and they're sponsoring us. Speaker 6 (1:23) Did we just start the episode with a bleep and not keep? No, no. We keeping all of this. This is a conversation. Baby D about to be mad in here. But it's all right. Speaker 7 (1:32) First Speaker 6 (1:33) of all, how are y'all feeling? How y'all doing? Baby D, you good? Speaker 7 (1:36) I'm all right. Speaker 6 (1:36) You feel good? I'm Speaker 7 (1:37) okay. It's Speaker 6 (1:38) kind of dry October. Remember we talked about it? We said we was going to Speaker 7 (1:42) do it together. Speaker 6 (1:43) Today's the first, right? Yeah, today's the Speaker 7 (1:45) first. Speaker 6 (1:45) I said she misses wine. So how you feeling? How you? Speaker 6 (1:49) Tell somebody how they feel. Day one. 12 hours into the adventure. Speaker 4 (1:56) 12 hours into the day. Well, 14. Even 14 hours. 14 hours in, baby. How Speaker 6 (2:00) you feeling? Shit. You holding on strong? You gonna make it? Shit, Ruff, you niggas annoying me already. I want to drink bad. Yo, ask somebody if they gonna make dry... Speaker 7 (2:10) What is it? Know what? Dry October and no nut November. Dry Speaker 6 (2:14) October. Speaker 4 (2:15) Well, just do what alcoholics do and go get some coffee. I would've went with you. You want some, Monk? Is that like what Alkies do? They get coffee instead of... I feel like all AA meetings have a lot of coffee at them. Speaker 6 (2:25) That is true. Coffee and cigarettes. Coffee, pastries. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's the thing at the AA's. I'm Speaker 7 (2:30) just going to stick with water. Good old H2O. Speaker 6 (2:33) Okay. Got you. Listen, man, if you need to talk any time of night where you feel like you're about to, you know, relapse, just call me. You going to answer? Yeah. We do this all the time. When have you ever called? No, Speaker 7 (2:47) we're Speaker 6 (2:47) not going to get into it. No, listen. When have you ever called my phone and I didn't answer? Not text, not respond to a text. It's okay. These cameras on. You acting Speaker 7 (2:54) like this because these cameras on, but it's okay. Damaris, you have never called my phone and I didn't answer. Speaker 6 (2:58) And if I didn't answer, I'd call right back like in five minutes. Right or wrong? Okay. See, I texted you Speaker 7 (3:05) last night, right? You did? Texting me bullshit. Maul texted me bullshit. I had to text like, you for real or we giggling? Yeah, Damaris was trying to like gauge if I was joking or not. Speaker 6 (3:15) I was dying. That was what we Speaker 7 (3:16) were Speaker 6 (3:16) just talking about. He said, are we giggling or not? I said, I'm in here dying. Speaker 7 (3:20) I thought he was being dead serious. Speaker 6 (3:23) I'm like, what a guy. What are we doing right now? I'm never serious. Damaris, if I text you a phone nine times out of ten, I am never serious. Serious as fuck. The last time you texted me, but we ain't gonna talk about that. Oh, well, that was a... yeah that was a different difference Speaker 4 (3:35) different scenario different scenario different climate yeah Speaker 6 (3:39) yesterday was all funnies nothing nothing to be serious about um how you feeling man you good yeah feel great all right well and we're off to talk about the culture but before we do that uh i'm not participating in no nut but november though i want to make that clear Speaker 7 (3:52) bitch you ain't get no nuts last month yeah whether i asked y'all last Speaker 4 (3:55) episode does that mean like self-induced nuts and you guys said yeah Yeah, you can't, you can't, you can't. I'm cool, man. No, I don't get pussy, but I get meat. Speaker 7 (4:08) My boy Speaker 4 (4:10) that's locked up, right? Speaker 6 (4:11) He Speaker 4 (4:11) called me. That's a wild transition. He Speaker 6 (4:15) called me. He was like, this was like three weeks ago. He was like, yo, man, I need you to hold me accountable. I said, yo, you're in prison. What are Speaker 7 (4:21) you Speaker 6 (4:21) talking about? Speaker 7 (4:23) Nigga mad accountable. Speaker 6 (4:23) They can't hold you Speaker 7 (4:24) accountable? Like the judge can't? How the fuck do you expect me? The state of New York has held you accountable. Speaker 6 (4:28) I'm Speaker 4 (4:28) like, Speaker 6 (4:28) what are you talking about? He was like, nah, man. He was like, yo, man, I'm telling you, man. I just don't want to, I don't want to masturbate no more. I'm like, all right, what you want me to do? I'm trying to be the supportive friend Speaker 4 (4:39) out in the free world. You know, I'm here to listen, here to help. The same way you are with Baby D with her. Yeah, I mean, listen, Speaker 6 (4:45) you're behind the wall, you're in the cell. Listen, I can, you know, I understand life is a little rougher for you than it is for me. So what do you need from me? How do you want me to hold you accountable? He's like, nah, man, I need you to do it with me. Speaker 6 (4:58) Bitch, I'm free as fuck. You crazy? I'm not Speaker 4 (5:02) doing a bit. Speaker 4 (5:04) One of the number one reasons not to get locked up. I'm like, yo, what? What Speaker 6 (5:10) you mean? He's like, nah, man. You can't jerk off either. Like, what? I am in my home, bro. Speaker 4 (5:21) Oh, man. Yo, that's mad for Speaker 6 (5:23) you. Speaker 4 (5:23) That feels like a silly thing. Yeah, I'm like, what? I don't know if I'm the right Speaker 6 (5:26) person Speaker 4 (5:26) to do Speaker 6 (5:27) this for you. Yeah, I'm like, yo, bro. Listen, man, just, you know, stay strong, stay focused today, man. How Speaker 7 (5:32) often is he beaten off in jail that he feel the need to, like, stop? You have Speaker 6 (5:37) a lot of Speaker 4 (5:37) time on your hands. Yeah, Speaker 6 (5:38) his thing was more so, like, he don't want to do it at all. Like, at all. He doesn't want to, like, that's what he's saying. He's like, yo, man, I think this shit is stupid. Like, first of all, look where I'm at. there ain't no chicks in here like why I'm getting Speaker 7 (5:50) horny like Speaker 6 (5:50) I'm Speaker 7 (5:51) depressed when I beat off at home and I look up at myself disgusted looking up and it's like mad like cells around me like now Speaker 6 (5:58) he has a cell by himself let me make Speaker 4 (6:00) that clear he doesn't have a cell oh that's like the Ritz then yeah Speaker 6 (6:02) I probably beat off too he has a cell he has his own little you know TV and everything like you know So, you know, I don't know. I don't know what he's finding, what he's watching. I Speaker 7 (6:11) was about to say his own TV. What's on there? The price is right. Like, what are you being off to? It ain't like they got. Jerking off to Bob Barker is crazy. Like, it ain't like they got fucking. I said 100, not 101. Speaker 7 (6:24) Under. They not putting fucking Nelly videos on the TV. Like, what are you? Speaker 4 (6:29) I mean, when you locked up, I guess, I don't know. He's Speaker 7 (6:31) beat Speaker 4 (6:31) off to fucking like Sears magazines and shit. He Speaker 7 (6:34) watching The View getting it off. Speaker 4 (6:37) Man. You adapt to your environment. Yeah. He watching The View reruns. I got a strong Speaker 6 (6:42) imagination. Speaker 4 (6:43) I got Speaker 6 (6:44) to wait for him to call me and just make sure, you know. I guess I got to hold him accountable. What was your answer? You haven't been touching yourself, have you? You been in there touching yourself? There's no Nut November coming up. Speaker 4 (6:56) I don't know man how Speaker 7 (6:58) is there like a drug Speaker 4 (6:59) test version of that like how do you find out if he's lying or not Speaker 4 (7:04) Like, Speaker 6 (7:04) how do you know you're keeping it real? You being honest? Like, yo, you being honest? I don't know, man. You look flush. Nigga look peaceful. Yeah, you look flush, man. I Speaker 4 (7:13) have a lot of experience with addicts and I can tell you're lying. Yeah, you're lying, man. You're lying. But, you know, Speaker 6 (7:17) I don't know. I don't know about no nut November, but have at it, baby D. You doing no nut November too? Mm-hmm. Speaker 4 (7:26) Okay, but that means... That means you could just have like wax sex. All right, bring your rose. You gotta bring your rose and leave it in here. Speaker 6 (7:34) We'll put it in a lockbox. We can Speaker 4 (7:36) put Speaker 6 (7:36) the rose right here. Next to the candle. Speaker 6 (7:43) Baby D. Give me all your tools. Bring the rose. Bring whatever you got at home. Bring your whole little night bag and just leave it right there in Speaker 2 (7:50) the Speaker 6 (7:50) corner, man. You can't Speaker 7 (7:52) leave it. Don't put it here. No, we'll cover it. Yeah, I don't want to stare at it while I'm Speaker 6 (7:57) at Speaker 7 (7:57) work. I'll put it in a Ziploc bag Speaker 6 (7:59) like evidence. You know, just put it in the corner somewhere. But you got to bring all your trinkets. You can't have no rose in the house. Okay. Speaker 7 (8:06) Ryan, don't use my shit when I'm not looking. Speaker 6 (8:09) Ew. I do use in a roses. Speaker 6 (8:15) What you using on your nipples? What would a guy use a rose for? Speaker 7 (8:21) You can use it on your tip. You can use it on your balls. On your balls? Have you ever had a girl hum on your balls? Speaker 6 (8:29) Yes, no matter. Okay. Speaker 7 (8:31) It's similar to that sensation. Speaker 6 (8:32) Okay. Thank you. Got you. If you've ever had a girl, I'm on your balls. Speaker 6 (8:38) Pet a hummingbird. Yeah. Speaker 6 (8:41) Oh, man. That's a double entranja. I don't even ask you how. All right. Well, speaking of beat, Shorty beat Lethal Injection. Speaker 6 (8:49) This is news coming out of Tennessee. Governor Bill Lee has paused the capital punishment on Speaker 2 (8:57) Thursday Speaker 6 (8:57) and called for a review of the state's policy on how it puts people to death. This is this came after Krista Pike, who was on death row. She survived two doses of lethal drug pentobarbital, which is supposed to like send you to greener pastures immediately. Speaker 6 (9:17) And this is the state's second botched execution. Man, just give her some bad fint. That'll knock her out in one little hit. Yeah, I mean, I don't know how you survive. Because she's the fucking devil. Yeah, but that's like... She's Speaker 7 (9:29) not the devil. Speaker 6 (9:30) Well, death row would say she is. They was trying to send her to where she belonged and where she came from. Do you know what she did to the woman that she thought was... Speaker 7 (9:37) flirting with her her man i do know what she did and she's she does deserve she brought part Speaker 4 (9:42) of the skeleton to school to show everybody Speaker 7 (9:44) everybody has the reasons they do things i'm not sticking up for her she deserves it are you Speaker 6 (9:51) sure my point Speaker 7 (9:55) my point is she doesn't deserve to be punished if you believe in a death penalty she deserves to be put to the death penalty there's no doubt about that but the devil no She deserves her fair shake. Her life should be taken like shorty life. She had two shakes. But you don't know people's stories and why and how they end up the way that they are. The devil is you just born evil. And I don't think a lot of people are Speaker 4 (10:14) born evil. Speaker 7 (10:14) Sometimes the devil will jump in Speaker 6 (10:16) you. Speaker 7 (10:16) Sometimes. You start off cool. But then there's sometimes that you survive very horrific shit and it turns you into a horrific person. Not an excuse, but. Speaker 4 (10:24) Sure. But how do we know she wasn't just born evil based off them? Because they tell her, Speaker 7 (10:29) the people that were trying to stay her as an execution told her story. Speaker 4 (10:32) Okay, got you. I only know the details of the crime. I don't Speaker 7 (10:35) know. Speaker 4 (10:35) Yeah. Speaker 7 (10:36) from her parents yeah yeah multiple times raped multiple times like mentally fucked up like yeah so but yeah no she need to she definitely needs to be she need to go but i feel like if you beat this if you beat the two lethal injections god still want me here like yo the state of california the state of tennessee can't override god like god still want me god ain't take Speaker 6 (10:55) his hand off me Speaker 7 (10:56) he ain't take Speaker 6 (10:57) his hand off me shit y'all gotta let me ride you're gonna let me ride formed against me shall prosper That's what I'd have been saying. I'd have been in that motherfucker's no weapon. Two rounds of lethal injection and I'm still in? You Speaker 4 (11:13) think Speaker 6 (11:13) she's really into Christ? That's what you think? I mean, if she wasn't, she is now. And I'm still Speaker 7 (11:17) in the motherfucking house. Speaker 6 (11:19) Yeah, like, so, I mean, Speaker 4 (11:20) I don't know what this means, though. I'm not sure. I think you could pray to that other side and the other side might keep you alive, too. I don't know why y'all keep thinking it's God. Somebody say even hell didn't want her. Speaker 6 (11:30) Yeah. Speaker 4 (11:31) That's crazy. Does she get another last meal? I think she refused Speaker 7 (11:36) her last meal, actually. Oh, did she? Yeah. Oh, and now you got to get like some Chipotle or something. No, first of all, I just found out that the last meal has to be made in a prison. And it can't be worth more than $10. That's got to be new. Speaker 4 (11:49) $10 or $20. Because I've read on Instagram, which is definitely factually Speaker 6 (11:52) true. Speaker 4 (11:53) It might Speaker 7 (11:54) be according to the state. But I think it can't exceed like $10 or $20 or something like Speaker 4 (11:59) that. Speaker 7 (11:59) And didn't like Outback have Speaker 4 (12:00) some scandal where like they gave some mass murder, like the last meal and Outback was like, chill, we don't like, we didn't know it was going there. Yeah, I mean. We just made the Speaker 6 (12:08) steak. Spending caps, states that permit special meals and for strict budget limits, such as a $40 limit in Florida Department of Corrections and a $25 limit in Oklahoma. In Speaker 7 (12:19) Tennessee, it's $20. Speaker 7 (12:21) What the hell? They was getting Arby's? The food must be purchased locally or prepared directly in a prison kitchen. Speaker 6 (12:29) Wow. I mean, not that they need, they don't need crustaceans or nothing like that. Get his ass out of there. It's not like you're going to enjoy it. Speaker 7 (12:37) If Speaker 6 (12:37) you know this is your last meal, can you even taste that shit? Nah, I should say like cardboard. Yeah, everything. My taste buds don't even work if I know this is the last thing I'm about to eat. Yeah. And then you're about to walk me down the hall in 10 hours and kill me? I can't taste this shit. Speaker 4 (12:51) Nah, because John Wayne Gacy, the clown guy, he got KFC. I mean, it was under $40 probably. Speaker 6 (13:00) Yeah. Especially at that time. $20. $40 a KFC in what was that, the 90s? You could have ate for a month. $40 a KFC. That's why I understand my mom's like, we got food upstairs. This is $3. Speaker 4 (13:16) $3 add up, little nigga. $19.94 in Illinois, yeah. $40, you could probably franchise a KFC. Come on, man. Speaker 6 (13:23) Yeah, you could have bought the joint. $40? You big balling in 94. What Speaker 7 (13:29) would you guys' last meal be? Speaker 4 (13:32) That's a really good question. Speaker 4 (13:35) Is it? Yeah. I've never thought about that. Like my absolute last last meal. Speaker 7 (13:40) Yeah. I need a porterhouse. Speaker 4 (13:42) It probably, it probably, um, medium. Speaker 4 (13:46) It'd have to probably be a steak. Speaker 7 (13:47) Steakhouse mac and cheese. Speaker 4 (13:49) Steaks and mashed potatoes. Yeah, I'd probably go that route. Peas at Shrimp Scampi. Shrimp Scampi. Look what Speaker 6 (13:57) peas want to eat. Peas, you lying. First of all, you want a funnel cake. You want corn dogs. You want all carnival food. Everything you can get at the Yankees game. Give me the carnival buffet. I want all carnival food. Peach Speaker 7 (14:10) bought kind of candy, peanuts, Cracker Jacks, and corn dogs at the office. Celebrating the Yankees win, man. That's all. Speaker 4 (14:17) Oh my God. Would you want to be all bloated up there on the chair? It really doesn't. Rory, I promise you. People get to watch. Speaker 7 (14:26) I don't want to have gas and people watching me in a choir room. Or, Speaker 4 (14:30) I mean, there is that when some people are killed and they're about to shit their bowels, like you sometimes shit when you die. Maybe like if you really wanted to make a statement. You get as much sloppy Joe as you can. And shit when you die for everybody. Speaker 6 (14:49) You know what I never understood? People that be on death row, when they be walking them to the chair, they be actually walking. You niggas would have to drag me. Speaker 7 (14:57) But why do all of that? No matter what, you're going to get there anyway. I'm going out with a fight. I'm not just walking to Speaker 6 (15:02) my death chair. You don't want your honorable death? Speaker 7 (15:05) Fuck no. Nah, I'm walking with my hair. Hey, hi. Fuck that. Gel mascara on. Bad bitch. Speaker 6 (15:11) Oh, that shit about to get singed. Them fake lashes. All of that about to burn in 10 seconds. It's going to smell like burnt rice in 10 minutes. Speaker 6 (15:25) Hell nah. They be walking just in the cup. What? Nah, I'm not going out like that. Nah, you got to go out like John Coffey. Nah, nah. I'm going out like, who was that one dude that was kicking and screaming? They had to put the, they had to tie him up like a hog. They had to carry me in there like luggage. Speaker 6 (15:44) I'm not walking. Walk to the chair. Walk right there and sit down. Get the... Walk right there and sit down. Are y'all about to fry me? It's not happening. So you're going to assault a guy to the point where he's going to shoot you? It don't matter. What you going to give me? More time? It don't matter. I'm fighting, kicking, biting. It's going to be rough getting me to this chair. Speaker 4 (16:05) Well, what's sicker is the practice they do. Well, obviously they don't do the chair anymore. And I'm only going off what I watched in the Green Mile. But they did dress rehearsals. You're not about to drag me to the chair to dress rehearse my death. Are you serious? You never saw The Green Mile? No. They do a practice run the day before. I Speaker 7 (16:21) think Speaker 4 (16:21) I was Speaker 7 (16:22) very, very young. A lot of movies I watched when I was like damn near a baby. You Speaker 6 (16:26) should Speaker 7 (16:26) watch it. Speaker 4 (16:26) It's one of those movies you have to see type thing. Speaker 6 (16:30) That's Speaker 7 (16:30) like Speaker 6 (16:30) the movie that they would show you like in school on movie day. Like they would definitely like. The Green Mile would take two days to watch. Yeah, they would definitely drag that out and turn that on. That's definitely one of those movies. Speaker 4 (16:41) But yeah, they. Demaris, they did like a practice run the day before where they take you from your cell, they sit you in the thing and they do like a pretend situation. No, that's crazy. Speaker 4 (16:54) And not knowing they didn't wet the sponge. I don't know. Maybe you deserve to get cooked that way. Nah, John Kofi? Nah, the other guy. Remember when Percy got his first go at it? It was a dude that... They had the mouse, right? Yeah. Didn't wet the sponge. I mean, I don't know. At this point. Speaker 4 (17:16) Is it Double Jeopardy? For, what's her name, Krista? Speaker 6 (17:20) Yeah. Speaker 6 (17:22) Nah, they're going to make sure they go through with this. Speaker 7 (17:24) Yeah. Speaker 6 (17:25) Now, you were saying something very interesting before we started, Roy. This is the second time or first time? I believe it's the Speaker 4 (17:30) first time. Speaker 6 (17:31) First time that they had an all-female staff. According to the New York Post, which is very relevant. According to the New York Post, allegedly. This is the first time they had an all-female staff in charge of the state's execution. They did not have Tom Hanks at the helm. Speaker 6 (17:47) So do we think that this is a case of maybe one of the women on staff felt bad? Speaker 6 (17:53) Women looking out for women? Yeah, and instead of... For a woman that killed a woman? Instead of putting the dough she was supposed to, maybe she put like, you know, some ivy, like something to like hydrate her or something. Speaker 7 (18:04) Just saline? Speaker 6 (18:05) Yeah, a little saline. Like, you know, let's not... I'm just saying, like, it could be a case, right? It Speaker 7 (18:10) could be a case. Speaker 6 (18:11) We've seen crazy things happen. Ten years from now, we get word that one of the women on the thing was a distant relative or distant friend of... And he decided to switch vows and was like, it could be anything. Speaker 6 (18:25) I'm just saying. That would be a good Speaker 7 (18:27) SVU episode. Speaker 4 (18:28) Oh, I'm sure they're already shooting this right now. Outside. It has nothing to do with sexual victims unit, but it'll be on Law & Order SVU for sure. Speaker 6 (18:37) Medical experts said there were signals that an intravenous catheter, rather than directing the drug into the bloodstream, allowed it to leak into the tissue surrounding the insertion point because of how or where the IV was inserted because of the fragility. of Mrs. Pike's veins or for another reason. Such an outcome is known as IV infiltration and has been cited in past botched executions. Medical experts said that experienced doctors would typically be able to recognize signs of an IV infiltration as it occurred. Speaker 6 (19:16) experienced doctors would be able to recognize that. I mean, Speaker 4 (19:22) I guess that I'm not for the death penalty, not in like any moral way. I think like as taxpayers, we pay too much for. for prisons in general but i wouldn't mind my tax dollars going to like the monsters on the guilty monsters on death row to just rot in there for the rest of their lives like Speaker 4 (19:43) To me, that's worse than getting the easy way out of just having someone inject some shit and I'm gone. No, I don't believe that. Speaker 6 (19:52) It's easy to say that when you don't have somebody that you're close to that's a victim of one of these monsters. I Speaker 4 (19:58) understand that, but I mean... What would be worse? Letting them suffer for another fucking 50 years or just they're done clean? Why do you say suffer? Speaker 6 (20:09) I think you jail is not, I don't know if y'all notice or not. Do y'all know people in jail? Yeah, of course. Jail is not as bad. It's like y'all think it is. Like, I don't know if y'all, which I think is going on in prisons. Like you can do a very comfortable, very easy. I'm saying you can go to school. You can get a trade. You can start making license plates and shit like that. Do they still do the license plate? I don't know. I'm just getting, you can work out. You can fucking. Like you can, you don't have to be like jail is not this place where you wake up every day Speaker 4 (20:37) and it just fighting for your life. You