Episode 551 | Guys Night Out

New Rory & MAL

The episode features a guest appearance by REASON, the show's West Coast Correspondent, leading to a deep dive into West Coast culture and personal

Key takeaways

• REASON shares childhood stories from South Central and Carson, including faking a seizure to skip class.
• The group discusses the financial potential of NIL deals, noting that female athletes in volleyball can earn significant money in college.

Main topics

• West Coast Culture
• NIL in College Sports

Notable quotes

If Dot is on there, I think it's gold.

Conclusion

A high-energy conversation that blends personal nostalgia with contemp

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Didn't catch the latest Roland Martin unfiltered podcast? Here's what you missed. People wake up and go, oh damn, wait a minute, hold up. They changed all of that? Speaker 3 (0:12) Yes, it's real. This is a wholesale attack. It is targeting black people in every federal agency. It's raw. White folks have never allowed that reckoning to last more than a decade. Catch Roland Speaker 4 (0:24) Martin's daily commentary on the Black Information Network. Speaker 1 (0:27) And download Roland Martin Unfiltered on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you Speaker 3 (0:32) get your podcasts. Speaker 6 (1:09) Welcome back to our yearly... Speaker 5 (1:13) I Speaker 6 (1:14) thought you were going to say year-end wrap-up. No, no, no. This is our yearly quota to prove to the podcast world that we support the West Coast. Speaker 3 (1:21) We have Speaker 6 (1:22) this Speaker 4 (1:22) gentleman Speaker 3 (1:22) on once a year. Every three months. Just Speaker 6 (1:25) to prove to y'all that we fuck with the West Coast. I'm the token West Coast. I'm the token West Coast. Every three months you gotta Speaker 5 (1:32) have reason to just pull up. Listen, man. Anytime someone on Twitter says something like, look, we Speaker 6 (1:37) fucking Speaker 5 (1:37) ruined it. He's not promoting nothing. He's just in town, fucking around. We just told him, listen, man, we got to meet our yearly quota. Should I just put something Speaker 6 (1:46) out? Like, we have to prove to the people. Yeah. Yeah, man. Happy birthday. Thank Speaker 5 (1:51) you, man. I appreciate it. Clap Speaker 4 (1:53) it up for Speaker 5 (1:53) another year. Speaker 4 (1:53) Another year, man. Speaker 5 (1:55) Know where we from, Reeves. It ain't really... Yeah, you know, niggas don't really make it to our age. Happy birthday to Speaker 4 (2:00) me, too. I don't even have plans to be here right now, so anything after this is icing on the cake. Yo, you... I don't know if you're joking or not. I'm joking. Speaker 5 (2:09) He was definitely joking. No, but the reason why I say that is because when people ask me that, like, yo, did you... I'm like, bro, I Speaker 4 (2:17) couldn't see this far. Speaker 5 (2:19) at one point. I did not Speaker 4 (2:20) think 25 years down the line. I moved out of South Central and grew up in Carson and I was good after that. Once I moved out of South Central, it was like the age got to like, I hope, 70. That doubled your time? 75. Once I moved out of 57th and Finn, I was like, oh, there's life to live. We can get there. We can get there for sure. Let Speaker 6 (2:42) me Speaker 4 (2:42) guess, Speaker 6 (2:42) every teacher told you you wasn't going to be shit, huh? You know, you get what I'm saying? They told me I wasn't going to Speaker 5 (2:47) be Speaker 4 (2:47) shit, but, you know, look at me now. Has the teacher ever Speaker 5 (2:49) told you that? Speaker 4 (2:50) I actually did have one teacher tell me that. But I deserved it, though. I deserved it. Me and my brother was like switching classes and fucking around and shit like that. I like faked Speaker 5 (2:57) a Speaker 4 (2:57) seizure. If I had an identical tool, I would have deserved Speaker 5 (2:59) it. Speaker 4 (2:59) I did. I faked a seizure in class. Yeah. So I was like, I deserved it. I'm Speaker 6 (3:03) on the teacher side. Yeah, I Speaker 4 (3:04) deserved that one. I deserved that one. Speaker 2 (3:05) But how you Speaker 4 (3:05) fake, Speaker 2 (3:05) like fake one right now. How you faked it? I'm Speaker 4 (3:07) not about to do it right now. How you fake a seizure is crazy. I like fell out on the floor and started shaking and shit. And then he Speaker 6 (3:12) put a Mentos in his mouth and drank some Coca-Cola and just started foaming everywhere. Speaker 4 (3:17) And then they like ran out to go get the security. And then I just left class. Speaker 6 (3:21) But was there like a, you just didn't feel like learning that day? I was done Speaker 4 (3:24) with my shit. And like, I don't know if y'all had this out here, but we used to have double periods where like one day you do one, three and five. So like your class is like double on. So I was done with all my shit and I wanted to leave. And so I did it. And then when he ran out to get the security, I just left. How did you land on Speaker 6 (3:40) seizure? I guess that's what I'm getting at. Speaker 4 (3:41) Honestly, it was my homeboy's idea. And I don't know why I didn't think it was a bad idea. Like when he said it, I reacted like, that's it. Like that. That's the way to get out of here. My last Speaker 6 (3:53) question is, how long did you think about how you were going to act when you had the seizure? Or Speaker 4 (3:57) was it impulse? It was like, I'm on the ground. It was like impulsive. Like he said it. And then like 30 seconds later, I was on the ground, like shaking. Maybe Speaker 2 (4:05) that's why I shouldn't be a teacher because I wouldn't look at that kid and say, you ain't gonna be shit. I was like, ah. Speaker 5 (4:09) You got potential. We need to put him in theater. Speaker 2 (4:12) Yeah, you know what I'm saying? You Speaker 5 (4:14) got to lean him towards that. Lean him towards like, Speaker 2 (4:17) yeah. Speaker 6 (4:18) I'd overthink that and be scared that the teacher would stab me with someone else's EpiPen. And then I'd actually save you. Speaker 5 (4:26) If I had it. Speaker 4 (4:28) If I had an identical twin, I would probably switch classes. We switched classes a lot, and we didn't stop doing it until I failed a test for him. But we switched classes. Oh, yeah, that's Speaker 5 (4:35) when Speaker 4 (4:35) it's like, yo, come on, come on. Yeah. Speaker 5 (4:37) Never mind, man. I want to be me. Never mind. I could have went to class and got that grade. But Speaker 4 (4:41) to be fair, though, like, we didn't know it was a test, so I was, like, completely caught off guard. Speaker 5 (4:46) Did you ever do something like one day one of y'all completely didn't go to school and then show up as... Yeah, we did that, too. So, like, my brother went, like, one time to go, like, fuck Speaker 4 (4:54) with this girl. And I could afford to miss the classes, but he could. I thought that was great to go somewhere else. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. You said my brother went to go fuck with his girl. I was like, no. Y Speaker 5 (5:04) 'all pull that off. I don't think we should say that on camera. No. Speaker 4 (5:07) Qualifies as rape. Yeah. I don't Speaker 5 (5:10) think Speaker 4 (5:10) we should say that on camera. He went to go fuck with a girl, but like when you play sports, you got to like game day, you got to go to a certain amount of your classes. but he was going to fuck with a girl. So I hit his classes that day. Speaker 5 (5:20) Okay. So that he could Speaker 4 (5:20) play in the game. Speaker 5 (5:21) Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. So I hit his classes. I Speaker 4 (5:23) think that's what you're talking about. Yeah. Like I'm supposed, he got a game. Speaker 5 (5:26) Yeah. I got a twin sister. It wouldn't work for us. If you put a wig on. We don't look alike. Yes, y'all do, bro. The marriage is me saying shit. They do. Y'all do look alike. Especially when y'all were younger. They don't put a wig on alike. Obviously Speaker 2 (5:39) that was a joke, but y'all do look a lot alike. I would hope so. Well, yeah. We're twins. Speaker 5 (5:44) I would hope we look alike. but me putting on a wig, nigga gonna be like, Jamala, what up? That's not gonna happen. Speaker 4 (5:50) Like, not even the look. What's Speaker 5 (5:51) her Speaker 4 (5:51) name? Jamala. Jamala. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I actually didn't know that until the last time I was out here in New York when you told me that you had a twin. I didn't know that. I try to keep that. We're outnumbered Speaker 2 (6:00) in Speaker 4 (6:00) Maristown. You niggas Speaker 2 (6:00) is Speaker 4 (6:00) adult twin. You niggas Speaker 2 (6:02) is gay. Speaker 4 (6:05) I saw that post the other day. It was like, it was like, if you were adult and got a twin, you gay. Like, why is it a nigga walk around looking like you? That's funny as fuck. Speaker 5 (6:14) It's Speaker 4 (6:15) hilarious. Like, I can't help it. Like, he's alive. His sister is fine. Brother's sister twin is fine as an adult, but two, like, another man looking exactly like Speaker 5 (6:23) him. Like, the Speaker 4 (6:23) nigga is alive. Like, what am I doing? Alive, doing well. Doing well. Like, you know, he's successful. Speaker 5 (6:29) You get what I'm saying? Like, what am I doing? You got a twin, you gay. That's funny. He Speaker 6 (6:33) almost ruined our friendship. I know. I know. I saw him out at the bar. Speaker 4 (6:38) I Speaker 6 (6:38) was like, reason just ignore me in New Speaker 4 (6:40) York? Like, this is crazy. Oh, that's how you met his brother? Yeah. I had a twin, but he ran him. And it was funny because I was supposed to be coming out to New York like three days after that. So he just figured like, oh, he got in early. You get what I'm saying? My brother just like, was not fucking with him at all. Cause like, your brother don't know Rory at all? He does, but he don't know him well enough to where if he's drunk at a bar, like they never met. And we were drunk at a bar and then he just walked by a random white person. Speaker 5 (7:05) He don't, yeah. And Speaker 6 (7:07) it was like a dirty dive bar, like some event or whatever. Yeah. Like Speaker 4 (7:11) I don't even know how they ran into each other. Speaker 6 (7:12) Yeah. That was weird. Speaker 4 (7:13) Yeah. But I mean, Rory hit me. He was like, are you in New York? He was like, and no, I don't think all black people look alike. And I'm like, but then Rosie had also hit me. So that's when I put it together. I'm like, oh, my brother's out there. They must be with him. You know what I'm saying? Like, so yeah. Speaker 6 (7:27) Okay. Has that ever happened where someone thought it was you? That's Speaker 4 (7:31) how Speaker 6 (7:31) I know you couldn't gangbang in LA. Speaker 4 (7:33) It's happened our whole life. I've been on stage and like, there's been fans that have been like pressing my brother for a picture, which makes no sense. You guys do. Which makes no sense. I'm on stage. Speaker 5 (7:46) No, but like, Speaker 6 (7:47) fuck how much we love you. I'm on stage. Speaker 4 (7:49) Like, yeah. Like, it's not like I'm Speaker 6 (7:50) about to come out on stage. I'm on stage. Yeah, but I mean, it's only for the photo. If I could post the photo, no one's the wisest. No, they're like telling him like he's lying. Speaker 4 (7:57) You know what I'm saying? Speaker 5 (7:58) You start this with the prestige. That's like, it's crazy. It's crazy. You never thought about doing a video with your brother? Like, I have actually. I wanted to. Like Speaker 4 (8:05) him rapping your boss? I wanted to do a video and I wanted to do a... My last PR run, I was out here when I did the Breakfast Club. I wanted him to start the interview, but he didn't get in town until like 6 p.m. and we had to meet them. Oh, you wanted Speaker 5 (8:17) to like- Speaker 4 (8:18) I wanted him to go in there first and do like the first 10 minutes of the interview and then come in there afterwards. And like I had actually set it up with like the, whoever the event, like the interview schedule person is and everything, but his flight got delayed and he didn't get in until like 6. Oh, that would be cool. Yeah, I wanted him to come in and do like the first 10 minutes. And I mean, Speaker 6 (8:35) he has an interesting story as is too. So like once y'all both sat down. Because he's with the Ravens. Exactly. Speaker 4 (8:39) He's with the Ravens. Exactly. And he was with USC. Yeah, he Speaker 6 (8:42) was Speaker 4 (8:42) with USC, Oregon. He coached for Oregon, SC, Arizona State. And then they threw him under the bus and got him fired for some. coaching shit and whatnot. This is when Herm Edwards is there. There's a lot of shit that he either can or can't talk about. Speaker 6 (8:55) Judging Speaker 4 (8:55) by the things you guys did in high school, maybe it was his fault? This wasn't his. This actually wasn't his fault. He'll probably pull up here at some point. You get what I'm saying? Y'all can double the quota. Then you don't got to do it every three months. Whenever you can't be here, you have him come here and send him to you. You ever got caught cheating and Speaker 2 (9:12) told somebody Speaker 4 (9:12) and told Shorty it was your twin? Not cheating because if you with me, you should know the difference. But I have like... been out somewhere and it's been like a girl I was talking to and I like pulled the like, I'm out of town. I don't know what you're talking about. No, you got to do that. You can get that off. You can get that off. Oh, Speaker 5 (9:28) hell yeah. Speaker 3 (9:28) That ain't me. Speaker 5 (9:29) Yeah, that's my brother. Like a motherfucker. You bugging. I was in the bed. You know, like I'm out of town. Dang, me too. Speaker 4 (9:37) I don't even know what you're talking about. Does his wife ever get like weirded out that there's two of him? No, but like. like if we say something like we're both in the house and we say and i say something that he normally says sometimes she'll hear me saying she'll be like that's like i have to have to shake off the weird shit more like Speaker 5 (9:58) like a quick Speaker 4 (10:00) second like i had to get that shit out yeah yeah yeah like what the fuck like Speaker 4 (10:09) That shit is weird. You get what I'm saying? Or like, she'll see me from the back of the head and be like, babe. And then I'll turn around and she'll be like, oh, that's fucking nasty. That's fucking nasty. You think you'll have twins? I hope so. I hope so. But my brother also had an abortion. Well, the girl had an abortion when he was like 14. Jesus Christ. Speaker 6 (10:27) You don't Speaker 4 (10:30) care, man. I know what he care about. Yeah. She had a double homicide or it was, that's what I'm saying. It was twin. I stole that Speaker 6 (10:38) from Jocelyn's cabinet. Just relax. Speaker 4 (10:41) Just relax. Calm your ass down. It was twins, though. So I kind of feel like he got that one out, like the twins that were supposed to come. I don't know if that's how it works. I don't know either, but I just have Speaker 5 (10:51) to Speaker 4 (10:51) take Speaker 5 (10:51) a Speaker 4 (10:51) shot in the Speaker 5 (10:52) dark and say maybe. It's funny because all of my homeboys, like two of my best friends growing up, they both have twins now. That's Speaker 4 (11:00) crazy. Are they twins? No. So they just randomly had twins. Okay, gotcha. See, in my family, it like, so my dad has twin brothers. And then I think it skipped a generation before that with my... grandpa and them but like my greats there was twins there so it runs Speaker 5 (11:16) in Speaker 4 (11:16) the Speaker 5 (11:16) family Speaker 4 (11:16) it does run in the family so when the abortion thing happened i'm like maybe that was really killed that was really it that was the lineage that was probably yeah so it's probably like Speaker 5 (11:25) quiet or that was Speaker 4 (11:26) skipped that's Speaker 6 (11:27) what Speaker 4 (11:27) i'm saying exactly Speaker 5 (11:27) so then when he has kids oh it could be like final destination like when you cheat death oh that's somebody that's Speaker 3 (11:37) No, Speaker 5 (11:37) I'm Speaker 3 (11:37) saying like, I Speaker 4 (11:39) didn't have Speaker 5 (11:39) the Speaker 4 (11:39) twins. So I was like, yo, you Speaker 5 (11:41) got, you got to have, you got to have, yeah. Like, like when I Speaker 4 (11:43) have kids, I, I didn't have them. Yeah. I would, I would take this. I would, I would prefer twin boys, but I'd be just happy with healthy twins. Regardless, you know, you know, what's going to happen now that you said that life is over, but it's also cool. Girls are also cool now because you can actually make money in college. Speaker 4 (12:02) Like with sports. I didn't know if I was going to look at it that way, but okay. I Speaker 5 (12:04) understand Speaker 4 (12:05) what you're saying. That's like a big thing for me. Like a big thing for me is like, I want my kids to play sports. And like now the NIL is like cracking. Speaker 5 (12:11) And now they like making stupid bread. So it's like, it's not Speaker 4 (12:14) just a waste of money like it used to be. Right. Like training your kid, like as a daughter in basketball. It was a syllable. It was like, you just throw Speaker 5 (12:21) money out the window. Speaker 4 (12:22) You're just Speaker 6 (12:22) ruining their Speaker 4 (12:22) childhood for Speaker 6 (12:23) nothing. For Speaker 4 (12:24) nothing. For what? A hundred thousand dollars a year. Yeah. And a side job. Right. But they could actually make like really, really good money now. Yeah, no, that's true. So it's not that bad. I didn't think about it like that, but okay. Speaker 6 (12:32) Yeah. So we should only have boys. All right, cool. Yes. Only be boy dads. Why Speaker 2 (12:37) is hyper ovulation on the screen? Ryan, you just be looking up anything. Speaker 6 (12:41) Well, can we look up how much Amara would make in college volleyball? Hey, Speaker 4 (12:48) it's a joke, but like Juju at SC? Oh, yeah. She make more than every Speaker 5 (12:53) male basketball player at SC. Yeah, I believe that for sure. Like, Speaker 6 (12:57) Juju really bred it out. Amara's three ain't as taller than every four-year-old around her. I Speaker 4 (13:03) don't know. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 5 (13:05) Trying to tell you, man. 15 % of women's volleyball accounts for roughly 15 % of all NIL deals secured by female collegiate athletes ranking behind women's basketball and gymnastics. Get Speaker 2 (13:14) her in tennis, bro. Tennis. Speaker 5 (13:16) You got to Speaker 4 (13:17) move to Florida for that. The NIL ain't busting yet in tennis. So then she got to go. Because they Speaker 6 (13:22) don't. College tennis, they do juniors and go straight to the league. That's what I'm saying. Then they got to go pro. Yeah. Speaker 4 (13:26) You got to pick a sport where like, even if she don't reach her ceiling, she still makes some bread. Speaker 2 (13:31) Yeah. So basketball, basically. Speaker 4 (13:33) Basketball or volleyball. They make good money in volleyball. Yeah. They make good money in volleyball. Speaker 2 (13:38) Look at y'all trying to think about pimping. Or surprisingly, Speaker 4 (13:39) for sure. You have to pimp your kids out. What is the point of having kids? Why Speaker 2 (13:42) she Speaker 4 (13:42) don't have a job yet? Yeah. Speaker 6 (13:44) Like she gets out at 2.30. You have the whole day. Like go do something. Speaker 4 (13:52) Why Speaker 2 (13:53) you don't start our YouTube channel? Speaker 4 (13:56) I'm not gonna lie. I'm doing all that shit with my kids. My kids going to be the most corniest burnt out niggas. They doing everything. We go. We go figure it out. What's the TikTok dance today? Get the dancing. So y'all going to be the parents. So what's different between Speaker 5 (14:12) those Speaker 6 (14:12) parents and the pageant parents? I'm someone that has never even posted their child. Speaker 5 (14:17) No, I'm Speaker 6 (14:17) not Speaker 5 (14:17) saying you. I'm just saying like, but what's the difference between what y'all are saying and then back in the 90s when Speaker 6 (14:22) it was like pageantry? That's a really great point. Everything now is acceptable pageant parents. Yeah. Whereas those people were like JonBenet Ramsey. Like that's the only outcome that's going to happen. Speaker 2 (14:33) Because there's a lot of sexualization that comes with pageantry. You have little girls. It's weird to Speaker 6 (14:37) me. It's always been weird. Yeah. And I hate to like damper the mood though, but I'm sure there's a lot of pedophiles watching your children dance on the show. For Speaker 2 (14:43) sure. Speaker 6 (14:43) Oh yeah, for sure. But Speaker 2 (14:45) there's people who play into that. There's people, and also not to damper the mood, but there's people who have caught backlash because they'll like make their children eat in ways that a pedophile would pick. I've seen, yeah. I actually watched a documentary on that, which is crazy. Yeah, it's weird shit. So it may look innocent to somebody who's not a pedophile, but like, why are you putting like... things that are in the shape of penises near your child's mouth like why is your kid sucking on a cucumber it's back to volleyball Speaker 4 (15:08) it is Speaker 2 (15:09) yeah yeah it's people it's people who do weird shit Speaker 4 (15:12) but yeah my kid doing everything i'm gonna be joe reese sitting there with the belt getting in line rap the raps nigga listen man joe Speaker 5 (15:21) jackson got it right that's what i'm saying y'all give a lot of what is the difference Speaker 4 (15:24) between joe jackson and lavar ball i Speaker 5 (15:27) don't Speaker 4 (15:27) know Speaker 4 (15:29) But I'm saying like they both aggressive parents, a little bit of salt in their kids successful. Speaker 6 (15:34) This has always been my thing with the Joe Jackson type parent. Clearly it worked for him, but there's, that's a 0.001 % where there's thousands of parents like that and their kid doesn't amount to shit and now just has trauma. But that was the rest of their life. That Speaker 4 (15:50) was Speaker 6 (15:50) before TikTok. Not every kid is Serena Williams. TikTok Speaker 2 (15:54) changes Speaker 6 (15:54) that. There's one Michael Jackson, one Serena. It's Speaker 2 (15:56) oversaturated, though. That's another thing. It changes it, but it's oversaturated. Because now there's nothing special because there's so Speaker 4 (16:02) many. That's true, but my kid going to have bars. Like, Speaker 2 (16:06) he Speaker 4 (16:07) going to be like triple, I heard that. He going to be like triple syllable shit, like at the age of. You want your son to rap? I wouldn't like necessarily want him to rap, but like, we're going to get this bread. Do you think Speaker 6 (16:18) like the average 11 year old is going to like really be into entendres at that time? Speaker 4 (16:23) No, but the internet is going to be like, whoa. It's kind of crazy. He's kind of nice. He's kind of nice. I'm going to raise him in New York, put him in some Timbs and a hoodie. Yeah, man. I Speaker 6 (16:37) just hope baby Gronk, like I hope he makes it. Because if not, he's going to have a lot of problems to unpack if he just, if he goes D3, like was it all worth it? He's doing good. He's doing nice. But there was a while, there was a while for like years Speaker 4 (16:49) that Speaker 6 (16:49) it was looking like. It looked kind of crazy. It looked kind of crazy. And he's not that good. He's been balling lately. Yeah. But that usually has to do with like growth spurts. I Speaker 4 (16:57) was just about to say that sometimes you got to like, like kids be hella uncoordinated because they just too big. Speaker 6 (17:02) Yeah. You Speaker 4 (17:02) get what I'm saying? Then when they, they grow into their size, pause if necessary. Then they'd be straight after that. You don't need to pause with children. I know, but yeah. Speaker 2 (17:10) Like the pause made it weird. It did make it weird. I'm Speaker 4 (17:12) sorry. I apologize. Speaker 6 (17:15) Should we get into this, this Shike project again? Have you, have you given it more time? I have, but like Speaker 5 (17:22) I said, when I came in, I liked, I liked the project. I was a little underwhelmed because I think I just expected more, but that's me putting my expectations on somebody. So I'll take that. But it wasn't like when I, the album first came out. I saw Speaker 4 (17:35) a few people on the timeline killing it. They didn't like it. Really? Yeah. And I was like, I actually haven't seen anything bad about Speaker 5 (17:40) it. Speaker 4 (17:41) But I Speaker 5 (17:41) don't, I don't really get into that. Like I could see people, I've seen people say they hate something and I hear it and I'm just like, all right. Yeah. Like I get why people have their own taste, their own, everybody's different, but I listened to it. I liked the project. I'm not mad at it. I think some of the hooks were a little lazy though. The music is good. Production is incredible. The music is good. I just think some of the hooks were a little lazy. And I expected him to rap better on certain songs. Okay. But I think, again, I'll repeat myself. I think Chike is a star. Yeah. I think that he's really dope. I like his energy. And, you know, I just think that we're watching him in real time blossom, make mistakes. not hit the mark necessarily, but that's fine. You know what I'm saying? Like that's, that happens. That's, that's something that is, is, is, you know, very few artists are going to get it right most of the time. Yeah. Speaker 4 (18:36) Yeah. I Speaker 5 (18:36) mean, it's artists Speaker 4 (18:37) that are established that will come out and not get it right. Still a miss. Right. You know what I'm saying? And I'm not saying. Speaker 6 (18:41) It's a Speaker 4 (18:41) miss with Speaker 6 (18:42) a few albums. Right. And I'm not saying this is a miss for Trike. I'm not, Speaker 4 (18:45) I'm not saying that. This is not a miss for me. I think that this album is Speaker 6 (18:48) going to. Speaker 4 (18:48) Good foundation, I feel like. Good Speaker 5 (18:49) foundation. I think that this album is going to be something that people go back to. Two, three years from now, I'll be like, yo, that shit was all right. Speaker 4 (18:57) Yeah. Yeah. I've been a Trike fan, like, on record and off record for years. And so the growth in, like, his artistry and whatnot to me on this project was, like, super, super crazy. Because Trike has always been, like, the L.A. outside ratchet rapper with a lot of the homies that he does music with and stuff like that. So, like, shout out Ruchi and A.T. Sway and all these other dudes. Like, that was kind of like his... box so him getting like the the dot cosine and then stepping up his artistry because he you know probably felt like he had to but for him to do that and hit the mark when he's always lived in this world to me is like yeah really really fire and i can see how serious he's taking it like with conversations me and him has had me and him have had and even just All the content stuff he's put out, I can see how serious he's taking the music. So it shows me that he's like growing in that way. So I fuck with it. I fuck with it. Speaker 6 (19:50) And I mean, we did talk about the album, but because you are the NRM senior West Coast correspondent, I felt like we needed to talk about it again and get more and more time to listen to it. Damaris, did you get a chance? I heard some Speaker 2 (20:02) of it, but I am also very much aware that I'm, it is not as West Coast as, for example, a GNX is, but it is still West Coast. But why do y'all Speaker 5 (20:11) say that? I think this album is very West Coast. It is West Coast, but it's not. That's the degree Speaker 6 (20:16) how minimal, and I mean that not in a bad way, how minimal GNX is to the West Coast sound. That's like the bare bones West Coast sound. What's Speaker 4 (20:24) crazy is I was talking to Rory before I got here and that was my only knock on the album. I wanted it to be more West Coast. Speaker 5 (20:30) I was like, yo, he got God's Favorite Speaker 4 (20:32) on there. I wanted like five of those. Speaker 5 (20:34) You know what another knock that I have? And again, that's just me listening to it. It sounds more heavily. Bay influenced than LA influenced the Speaker 6 (20:45) music. But to me, which glasses, head, every, every Coast Guard out there. Don't kill me. I felt like the new age LA sound Speaker 4 (20:54) is heavily influenced by the Bay. Yeah. I was about to say, I feel like. GNX to me is very Bayish. Yeah. I was about Speaker 6 (21:00) to Speaker 4 (21:00) say GNX to me sounded closer to a Bay area sound. Like that, that bounce. The bounce to it. Yeah. And honestly, like to me, it's like. It's like, I don't know. Like, I don't, I've never separated. I know some people do separate it, but to me, like LA and the Bay is like, we're one. We're like, we're cousins and we're like, it's never been no, in my world, it's never been no division. You get what I'm saying? So when people say like, oh, a Bay Area artist might be influenced by LA sound or vice versa. I just kind of look at it like. niggas is just all on the same coast making the same you get i'm saying like that's how i viewed it and it wasn't until more recently with all the politics with the beef and all that that it kind of started being more separate we Speaker 6 (21:43) had and i really really don't want to make this a drake kendrick thing whatsoever but we did have a very good conversation off mic after the shike album came out and we talked about just the music on air but off air we talked about some bullshit which maybe would be better for podcasting if we switch that for sure exactly but that's just not Speaker 4 (21:59) our show yeah yeah Speaker 6 (22:01) We did have the conversation of, do we think if Drake reached out to Shai, would he Speaker 4 (22:07) do a record with Drake? Speaker 6 (22:08) I Speaker 4 (22:09) don't think he would. I don't think he would either. I don't think he would. I think, I think that, um, I think. I think that Chike is very loyal to what he feels like gave him a shot. Because Chike has been around for a long time. And Dot really gave him a shot. You get what I'm saying? I think Chike is very loyal to what gave him a shot. I'm not sitting here and saying that it would be the easiest decision or what. I don't know. But I do think that, I don't think that there's a world that Chike would say yes to that. Outside Speaker 6 (22:36) of the optics, I would also look at it like... Speaker 6 (22:40) you're doing this, you're trying to use me as a pawn in something. Exactly. This isn't some good-hearted, I fuck with you type of thing. Speaker 4 (22:47) And to be honest, what you like, and I'm usually on the side of like, stay out of the beef and shit. If Chike did do that, I would think Chike was corny. I would. I would think that that's corny. And I would only think it's corny not because no West Coast nigga should work with Drake, but because Dot really did change his life completely. Okay. You get what I'm saying? And you think Speaker 6 (23:05) that's the difference between the P-Lo situation? I think Speaker 4 (23:07) that's the difference. Like, if there was a world where, like, P-Lo, where Dot has, like, changed P-Lo's life in some type of way, then I do think that when niggas hit you for the Dropbox link, you at least ask some questions. You get what I'm saying? Like, I got some producer homies that once the beef started happening, you know, they, you know... on Drake's side of things and whatnot. And when certain T.D. niggas hit them for beats, they was kind of like, what's it for? Like, you got to start asking a little bit more questions because now it's kind of, but that's because Drake has changed their life. Like. Kendrick and P-Lo have never done anything. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, we both West Coast, like P-Lo, I'm talking about we, P-Lo and Dot, they both West Coast niggas, but like, it's never been anything whatsoever. So it's like, if somebody's like, yo, if they hit my, if I'm P-Lo and they hit my manager and they're like, yo, Drake working on Iceman. Yeah. Like, he won a Bay record, sent some Bay beats. I don't know that this nigga's in there recording, you know what I mean, too hard for the radio. I'm just sending a, sending a pack. And then I'm crossing my fingers when the, when, when the, album drops and hoping that I get one to land. You get what I'm saying? That's it. And Speaker 6 (24:10) I even saw them doing a breakdown of how they made the beat because it was like four of them. It started out with just loops and Speaker 4 (24:15) then they started adding, like there was no intention of like... It's different if like the beat got a like hit-em-up sample and all like, you get what I'm saying? It's like niggas just got a bae beat, bro, and they just sent it to Drake and Drake ain't sending nigga... Bro, I got homies that's very close to Drake. that don't know if they getting the placement to the album drop. And these is niggas that's like actually in the studio with Drake. And they don't know if they got the placement until the album actually drops. So why the, how the fuck would P-Lo know that? I mean, I Speaker 6 (24:44) guess, all right, I don't agree with Glasses, but to your point with Shike and that entire thing, maybe Glasses is viewing it the same way in that regard where I was like, oh, if Drake reached out to Shike, it would be some pawn shit. Now, I don't think Drake has rapped over bass shit before. He's rapped over Mac Dre sample. The motto is one of his Speaker 4 (25:03) biggest records ever. Two short shits he's redone. Speaker 6 (25:05) But, Speaker 4 (25:06) and Speaker 6 (25:07) I think this is smart of Drake, if you're going to say you think the Bay going to let you disrespect Pac in a diss. Speaker 4 (25:13) All right, Speaker 6 (25:14) I'm going to be petty and go make a big... So maybe Glass, you're being used as a pawn by Drake. But Speaker 4 (25:19) I Speaker 6 (25:19) don't... But P-Lo's going to say Speaker 4 (25:21) no? Bro, it's a chess move. Dot and Drake been playing chess since... For the last 12 years, they've been playing chess, bro. So it's a chess move that Drake did. Kudos, Drake. I'm just speaking on like attacking P-Lo and it's like, Glass, you know how this industry shit works. You know that that's not what that is. I just think all of that shit is stupid. I do. I do too. Okay, Speaker 5 (25:39) so if that's the case, am I now... am I now mad at whoever studio they recorded this in? Like, yo, we not fucking with that studio no more. I agree. That shit is dumb. You put yourself in a whole different... I agree. What are we talking about Speaker 4 (25:52) here? Speaker 5 (25:52) That's why I Speaker 4 (25:52) only think it's not stupid when it comes to shit like niggas directly having real relationships with people. So, like, if Dot wanted to come sit on the couch, you look crazy. I don't give a fuck how you slice it. Me? Yes. If that wants to come on Speaker 5 (26:07) Rory and Maul, you think Speaker 4 (26:08) that I wouldn't let Kendrick come up here? Speaker 5 (26:09) I'm Speaker 4 (26:10) saying that you look crazy if you don't conduct that interview Speaker 5 (26:12) in a certain way. Oh, no, for sure. Speaker 4 (26:14) Yeah, so that's all I'm saying. But I'm Speaker 5 (26:15) going Speaker 4 (26:15) to be Maul in any interview. 1,000%. And I'm Speaker 5 (26:17) going Speaker 4 (26:17) to let Kendrick know that was corny. So that's all I'm saying is that when you have a personal relationship with somebody, I do feel like, like for Trike, talking about the Trike example, it does, it comes off corny. Like this nigga recited your verse at the Super Bowl. Like he gave you a look and gave you gave you a chance when he didn't have to. I completely would never expect to say yes to that. What I think that as a human behind closed doors, are you like, fuck, you get I'm saying, yes, I'm going to Drake. Like, you know what I'm saying? But it's like, you know, you got to stand on the side of defense when it's a personal relationship that you personally benefited from. And I think that's the biggest difference between. The trike shit and the pilo shit, it's not comparable to me. But a lot of the Speaker 5 (26:57) times, because we was talking about this earlier, we make this mistake of, you know, feeling like relationships are something more than what they really are. I agree. And I think even on the trike album, he's like, just because you cool, that's not your man or something like that. Like, however he flipped it, right? So while you're right, Kendrick gave Chike one of his biggest looks of his life, his career, right? What I'm saying is, in that same breath now, how do we get the Chike album? It's believed that there was a Kendrick verse on this album. Album drops. There's no Kendrick verse. So is this a world where it's like... Yeah, that's your man, but is it really your man? Was it a moment that he felt like he could use some of your energy, the aesthetic of having up-and-coming cats from the city behind him, next to him? Was it just for that moment? Did he give you that look for that moment? And then moving forward, it's like, all right, go Speaker 4 (28:08) out here, sink or swim. Yeah, it's tough for me because I feel like Dot has always ran his own race. So it's like, I don't personally understand it. Speaker 4 (28:16) But