Rewind with Karen & Georgia - 111: Figure It Out, Kevin

My Favorite Murder with Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark

In this Rewind episode, Karen Kilgariff and Georgia Hardstark revisit their 2018 episode 'Figure It Out, Kevin,' reflecting on the cultural and true

Key takeaways

• Michelle McNamara's book 'I'll Be Gone in the Dark' became a bestseller, cementing her legacy as a pioneering true crime journalist.

Main topics

• The Golden State Killer case

Notable quotes

'Don't be polite, attack him and try to injure him. If you can at all, if you get the upper hand in any way, try to injure him.'

Conclusion

The episode underscores how true crime narratives evolve over time, with Michelle McNamara's

Transcript preview

Speaker 3 (0:01) This is exactly Speaker 4 (0:02) right. On August 4th, 1962, Marilyn Monroe died. Then the rumors started and she died again. And now we're going to set the record straight and learn about the way Marilyn Monroe actually died. The third way. I'm Jake Brennan, and on my podcast, Hollywoodland, I revisit some of the biggest stories from Hollywood history, separating the myths people want to believe from the reality underneath them. Hollywoodland is part of the Exactly Right Network. Listen to new episodes every Monday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 8 (0:41) It's Chelsea Handler from Dear Chelsea. This season, we've got some awesome guests ready to dole out advice. Guests like Tiffany Haddish. Kind of slide into people's DMs. I like Bumble. Also, girl, FarmersOnly.com. Estate sales, funerals, auctions are usually good. There's a lot of good men there. Grocery stores near gyms. Darcy Carden, Sherry Oteri, Anna Faris, Dave Franco, Madeline Klein. Adam Scott, T.S. Madison, and more. Listen to Dear Chelsea on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 3 (1:20) Welcome aboard season six of The Girlfriends, Flight or Fight, which takes place 30,000 feet in the sky. A beautiful woman smiles and hands you a scotch, but you have no idea just how messed up her job actually is. It was the most sexist job I think you could have. Until one day, a group of stewardesses spark a revolution that reshapes America. Listen to The Girlfriends, Flight or Fight, on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And Speaker 5 (2:18) welcome to Rewind Speaker 7 (2:19) with Karen Speaker 6 (2:20) and Georgia. This is the show where we look back on our old episodes from 2018 with all new insights and case updates and pop culture references. Today Speaker 7 (2:28) we're rewinding to episode 111, which we named Figure It Out, Kevin. This episode originally came out on March 8th, 2018. All right, let's listen to the intro of episode 111. Speaker 5 (2:43) Hello. Hi. And welcome. To my favorite. Murder. The podcast, your weekly true crime podcast. Hosted by Karen Kilgara. And Georgia Hardstark. And that's us. And Speaker 1 (2:55) there's Speaker 5 (2:55) Stephen over there Speaker 1 (2:56) on the ones and twos. Making it even. Speaker 5 (3:01) Happeninger. Speaker 1 (3:03) What were you Speaker 5 (3:04) going to say? He's making it happening-er. He's making it happening-ing and making it happening-er. Because he took an improv class. He knows how to heighten. He yes-and-ed. He yes-and-ed our eternal improv that is this podcast. That's exactly what I was going to say. And. And. Yes, and. That's correct. The hanging and. Hey, how are you? Speaker 1 (3:25) I'm good. Yeah. I feel like a lot of... Speaker 1 (3:31) A lot of actually relevant things have happened since we last recorded. Yeah. For us to catch up on. Speaker 2 (3:37) Yeah. Because we, yeah. Because last week we put up a live episode. So when we missed that week, we missed the talking. Yeah. So we have to talk about the Oscars. Speaker 1 (3:47) For example. What? A monologue. Well, no, Speaker 5 (3:52) the Speaker 1 (3:52) one, the thing I was going to say, which I'm excited to talk about is the four part ID channel series called the Golden State Killer. It is not over. Yes. Speaker 2 (4:04) I thought you, Speaker 5 (4:05) I was like, it's not over. Oh, that's the full title. It was for, yes. Every time that title card would come up, I'd be like. It's okay. We get it. It's not over. Yeah. So the Golden State Killer now is on the Speaker 2 (4:15) fucking tip of everyone's lips. That's right. Because Michelle McNamara's book came out. Yeah. And I'll Be Gone in the Dark, which I've been listening to obsessively. Yeah. I'm almost done and I like don't want to finish it. So I'm listening to other shit. So I don't have to. Yeah. So it won't Speaker 1 (4:33) be Speaker 2 (4:33) over. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's not over. No, Speaker 1 (4:35) I know. It's not. It's correct. It's not over. You know, what's funny is I so Patton Oswalt, who is Michelle's. uh husband um sent us copies of the book so that we could have it because he knows but i forgot that i had pre-ordered it long long ago right so i had two copies i was holding yours because he sent them both to my house then a couple days later i got a third copy so now me you and steven all have copies of michelle's book but the cool news is that patten just sent me a picture today of the New York Times book review bestsellers list. And Michelle is number one on the nonfiction list. Yes. Yeah. She's number one. And it's so cool. Like. It's so as a person who followed her from the True Crime Diary. Yeah. And I used to just pour over that thing. I remember the post that she wrote when she talked about how Eron's original Night Stalker, that it was too confusing and it needed a better title. And she it was her idea to call him the Golden State Killer. Which Speaker 2 (5:38) is so like forward thinking. Yes. In a way that's like. You know, this needs to be and people need to know what this is, because there's all these victims who are not getting the attention that they deserve to have their case solved. So if we give it a better name, people will pay attention to it more. Exactly. Right. So smart. It's not something I would ever have thought of, you know, of, you know, that that's. important Speaker 5 (6:00) and why yeah she was she was very Speaker 1 (6:02) masterful and the whole her whole approach to it was so good she got cops to start talking to each other to share information it's it's very cool story and i'm sure most of the people listening to this are either reading it right now or listening to it right now in some way i'm sure that has a lot to do with that those numbers so good job you guys i'm so excited and thrilled that she gets that kind of remembrance and also that it gets that level of exposure yeah but you know what i was going to say is that id channel i was actually looking because it's produced so well and it's a company called sirens productions which makes me think it's the ladies but they have survivors they have victims of the golden state killer when he was the east area rapist in sacramento and some people from down here but yeah i'm thinking of those first when the first couple of um of his like original victims were talking i got really nervous that it was like how was this going to get handled right and they were the it was just that Speaker 5 (7:02) thing of like people who had been through the strong people Speaker 2 (7:05) the victims on that were interviewed here and like the victims family members were interviewed as well are strong resilient people it's Speaker 1 (7:13) that are just there to be like we want this solved we want anybody who Speaker 5 (7:17) knows anything and we because it's it's really frustrating Speaker 2 (7:20) and like i'm knee deep in it right now from watching that and from listening to the book and and of course after you know i listen i go on reddit and i read all the message boards and i read all the theories and so i'm kind of in that phase of like being inside of this insane case and it's really frustrating and angering because It doesn't make any fucking sense that it hasn't been solved, that he hasn't been found. It Speaker 1 (7:42) doesn't make any sense. Except for the fact that it was the 70s in the beginning. And then he did the classic thing that every time it's like when you switch cities or change jurisdictions, communication stops. Speaker 2 (7:57) as soon as they found that out they sh there should be there is enough evidence and i can i'm saying this for like the cops too there must be so frustrated with this yeah it's like to piece those then together and be like okay this is the suspect we thought it was and now we can match him up because he was in irvine too and it almost would make it more solvable now but it's not well yes Speaker 1 (8:17) because it doesn't There's it's not like there is a database. It's that thing where when you try to look anything up from before 1990, there's nothing there because it was all paper. or it was documented in some other way. Like that was the, I loved the fact that they had the detective, the female detective who worked on it in the seventies, who was the woman who was speaking. She, I was telling Georgia this, she was speaking at that very infamous, um, this, the town hall meeting where a man stood up, said, I don't understand. This is impossible that anybody could, um, if there's a man in the house that anybody would, that their wife would be attacked, blah, blah, blah. And then like a month later, that family. was attacked just horrifying and and they know then that that meant he was there and he was this really high level predator. But she, this detective in this meeting is telling the women in the room, she literally says the words, don't be polite, attack him and try to injure him. If you, if you can at all, if you get the upper hand in any way, try to injure him. And what hearing a woman in 1977, go, don't be polite to people. She says Speaker 2 (9:27) like, we've been raised to be polite and to be, and don't do that. And Bob, yeah, it's incredible. And Speaker 1 (9:32) to, to, this day she's as sharp as a tack she looks amazing she's like right there and she's everything she said was just so um you know it was very it was all about we need this salute we need the families that have gone through so much that are still living with this weird fear because nothing was resolved. They need that resolution. Speaker 2 (9:53) It's just the whole story I'm like kind of obsessed with and gives me the creeps. And I think for you and I, it being in California and Northern for you and Southern for me and our neighborhoods that we're from and kind of... I think what's so freaky is that he went to these planned communities that were, you know, family communities and just terrorized them. Like houses next, almost next door houses. Yes. Attacking and raping women inside of them. It's just the whole story is a nightmare. And the planning. Yeah. Like Speaker 5 (10:28) the that it Speaker 2 (10:29) wasn't. And he's weird. There's something wrong with him. Yes. Like not just obviously a rapist or something wrong with him, but the stuff that he takes eating and hanging out. Speaker 5 (10:40) And he's like a he's got some there's Speaker 1 (10:42) you can tell there's some narrative in his head. And what's OK. And also, can we just talk for one second about how what are the odds that you have a story in a case that's this? insane and compelling and years long. And then one of the lead investigators is just a simply beautiful TV ready detective. Doctor or detective holes. Every time Speaker 5 (11:07) he spoke, I Speaker 1 (11:08) was like, your teeth are Speaker 5 (11:09) perfectly white. Oh, my God. He looked like RoboCop. Speaker 1 (11:12) Yes, he looked he know he looked like his hunter. Remember that old 80s TV show? I don't know Speaker 2 (11:18) where Speaker 1 (11:18) the guy they literally had the FCC came and said, you have to wear underwear. What? you never heard about that no Speaker 5 (11:24) hunter Speaker 1 (11:25) um my mom must have kept it from me Speaker 5 (11:28) she Speaker 1 (11:28) was like go to bed Speaker 2 (11:30) mommy's gonna watch hunter well you know what i keep doing in my obsessiveness is like who okay who did my mom date at that time because he was in irvine in 1986 so i was six years old so i'm like who did my mom date anyone at that time is that who the murderer is like it's so scary so scary um but yeah it's it's just like It's it blows my mind. It's it's it has to get solved. I know. And it's going to be really exciting when it does. But also bittersweet from Michelle and like listening to the book every time they say or every time in the book, it says like the next chapter is accumulated from her notes. Yeah. Just hurts me in the heart every time I see that or hear that. Yeah. Because it's just. And then the obsession and I kind of it reminded me a lot of that obsession that I used to have at a desk job when I would just sit and read blogs like that and stories like that, which weren't written in that way. And they were kind of just like stories you had to kind of put together based on, you know, Reddit and stuff like that. Yeah, Speaker 1 (12:31) because her writing is so it's true crime written gorgeously. So like when I used to read that blog, you would just read these stories and like I have all these stories stuck in my head, not because, oh, it's. it's because she wrote it almost first person in this way. Like she got so into what was happening in this person's life and then they disappeared. And it's just, she really got Speaker 2 (12:55) what it's like to be obsessed with true, to be a person who can't sleep and just is obsessed with true crime and obsessed with a case or cases or anything. It definitely feels like what people have said to us, which is like, you've made it, you made me not seem like, feel like a weirdo because of it. It feels like I'm not. creep for liking, for being this obsessed with true crime to the point where I can't sleep at night. Well, Speaker 1 (13:18) because it's these questions that it's the worst case scenario, something happening and then just unanswered questions. So it's what, what are the events leading up to this? How did it happen? Why did it happen? Like, those are things that it's better than a TV show or something like that. It's like it re and I don't mean better. It's more. interesting and engaging and kind of like this is a fellow human being that just disappeared off Speaker 5 (13:47) the face of the earth and sorry and Speaker 2 (13:50) it's like and this and that but the way she makes the way she tells the story of the victim and tells you who they are you know before what happens to them happens yeah is it gives it such a more vivid and such a fuller picture a picture of how horrible it was To be to live in that time, to be a victim, to live in that neighborhood at the time. Yeah. To be scared. I had no clue. I couldn't picture it until she kind of explained it. Right. Yeah. Speaker 1 (14:20) Yeah. She like that book starts off with like her, like how it's first started for her. And it was because there was Speaker 5 (14:27) a murder in her town. It's fascinating. That murder was fucked up, too. Oh, my God. I can't wait to start reading Speaker 2 (14:31) it again, which Speaker 5 (14:32) I'm Speaker 2 (14:32) going to. Speaker 1 (14:33) Yeah, it's very it's. it's just a it's bittersweet it's but it's also cool Speaker 5 (14:37) that it's out there and Speaker 2 (14:38) it's going to Speaker 5 (14:39) be very very Speaker 2 (14:39) interesting to see and that her name will forever be you know when they do catch this guy her name will because they're going to there's no way it's not going to happen but uh her name will always be connected to this case that obsessed her yes which is and Speaker 1 (14:53) what i also think is cool in that special is how they really featured the what were they calling them the like um the basically the people that were trying to solve it online oh citizen Speaker 5 (15:05) sleuths citizen armchair sleuths yeah citizen Speaker 2 (15:08) sleuths Speaker 1 (15:09) i Speaker 2 (15:09) think i said it which we laughed every time they said it yeah but Speaker 1 (15:12) it sounds so Speaker 2 (15:12) stupid but it's true i Speaker 1 (15:14) get it and when you like on the surface but those guys put taking i mean digging into this research oh my god talk about like yeah like doing the the hardest work of all which is just like we went through records this is the company that was building houses at this time like all they're taking the police evidence and matching it to records and then going like Speaker 5 (15:37) i think i mean it's amazing and i think Speaker 2 (15:39) all of that combined the fact that there isn't some woman coming forward being like yeah so my stepbrother was a creep back then and you might want to look into him right he lived in sacramento our grandma lived in goleda and you need to look into him like how has that not happened yet i Speaker 1 (15:59) don't know or maybe it's people who don't either Speaker 5 (16:02) some i don't know it makes me think of like someone has a hunch that it's their whatever. But they don't, maybe they don't want to face it or they don't want it to be real. Well, I said to Vince, Speaker 2 (16:12) when we were talking about this kind of thing, I was like, and then we were talking about how Ted Kaczynski's brother is the one who fucking was like, you need to look into my brother and how hard that must've been. And I was like, would you turn in your brother if you found out something was going on? He was like, absolutely. I would in a fucking heartbeat. Like it's people like us that were like, yes, I'd be so stoked to be like, look at Asher. He fucking did it. Not because I wanted my brother to be a murderer, but because it's like, you can't do that. It's not okay. But then I was like, well, what if you thought suspected something about me? And he was like, oh, well, we'd have to have a long talk. Speaker 1 (16:46) I don't know what that means. You get one final breakfast. Right. We talk it over for breakfast. I was going to say you get one murder. That's it. You know, in this relationship, I'll give you one freebie. It's the murder hall pass. No. Yeah. Anyway, it's just kind of it's just so strange. And it's all kind of coming to the fore now. But it's also good. On a happy note, this is an email that Stephen found for us that just pulled for us. Karen, Georgia, Steven, and Assorted Pets. First off, your Columbus, Ohio show is great. I just wanted to let you know that my husband greatly appreciated your huge shout out for his website, www.pumpkinshow.com. I think your mention just increased the show's foot traffic for this year. Oh my God. The Columbarinos are expecting the Columbarino. are expecting to have a meetup at the show. Oh my God. The pumpkin show. Yes. I love it. That is. Oh, okay. My husband is a native circle native of Circleville and he's been involved with the pumpkin show since the late nineties and has done their website since then. He even purchased the domain. Holy shit. When no one even knew what a domain name was. he is also the photographer of the giant pumpkins in your slide and most of the pictures on the site we were cracking up the whole time as circleville is serious about their pumpkins it is the oldest and largest show of its kind in the country and maybe the world Thanks again for the shout out on the show. Safe travels around Speaker 5 (18:17) the globe, ladies. Oh, my God. Like going to the pumpkin show. Yeah, right. Speaker 1 (18:21) Maybe the me and Kevin. That's Kevin's the webmaster for pump. W.W.W. Pumpkin show dot com. Oh, my God. That's amazing. Speaker 5 (18:30) So Speaker 1 (18:30) funny. I love Speaker 5 (18:31) the reach is just far reaching. I mean, here's the thing. Speaker 1 (18:36) In our experiences, when you go onto a website, it's a high quality website. You you give credit. because that credit is due. How many websites are there out there? It was just sitting out there excellently. Unknown. Waiting to be Speaker 5 (18:52) grabbed. Waiting to be seen. And talked about. Yeah. And, you know. We did it. And you did it. We did it. We all did it. We did it together, you guys. Speaker 2 (19:01) Now Speaker 5 (19:01) we start the podcast that's all about life. That we wanted to start originally. Remember Speaker 1 (19:07) when we talked about it? Speaker 5 (19:08) Yeah. About pumpkins. Speaker 1 (19:10) Pumpkins. And Speaker 2 (19:11) life. It's Speaker 1 (19:12) basically a podcast where we figure out a way to sue Kevin for www.pumpkinshow.com and we take ownership. Called Squad Gourds. Speaker 2 (19:23) If we could get a hacker to please hack the Pumpkin Show website. I'm kidding. No. Stop it. Hacker. This hacker's like, her hands are like over the keyboard about to be like. do whatever the fuck they do on movies. Speaker 5 (19:37) She's got, yeah, she's got fingersless gloves and she's numbers are going numbers, numbers, numbers in her head. She's drinking coffee, doing lines. Yeah. Just like hacking. And then we're like, wait, Melissa, hold it. Don't do that. What's her hacker name? It's, um, Melissa eight. Melissa eight. Hack your hack. You are, you are life. It's dark web. Melissa. Dark web. Melissa. Lyssa in the dark. Yep. Liza with a Z. Liza. Yeah. And that's it. That whole thing was her name. What we just. Dot com. Dot net. Yeah. Speaker 5 (20:15) What are hackers really like? Let us know if you're a hacker. They're the people Speaker 2 (20:20) who, when you're at the coffee shop and they have a full computer there and they're using eight outlets. Those are them. They're not cool. Speaker 1 (20:27) They're always, it's always, hackers always Speaker 5 (20:29) work in cafes. Wait, I don't want to insult any hackers though, because I wouldn't. All the lights go off. Terrible idea. Speaker 1 (20:37) Didn't you watch Mr. Robot or whatever the fuck that show's called? I Speaker 5 (20:40) did. It was good. That's so good. It's really good. Hackers, we love you. Unite. We have a tribute to you. They all look like Angelina Jolie in the movie. That's right. Hackers. Was it called Speaker 1 (20:51) Hackers? The show Hackers. Speaker 5 (20:53) The movie Hackers? Speaker 1 (20:54) Movie Hackers. No, no, no. I know the movie you're talking about. It's where Johnny Lee Miller, the British actor, and Angelina Jolie. Was Ryan Felipe in that? I don't know. Picture? I think Stephen's going to tell us. Okay. I think it's called something like The Motherboard. No, that's not correct. Speaker 4 (21:15) Well, I do know what movie. You're thinking of Antitrust with Ryan Felipe. Okay. Did I just Speaker 2 (21:21) mash up two hacker movies? That was Speaker 4 (21:22) another classic mashup. Was he a Speaker 1 (21:24) hacker in that? Speaker 4 (21:25) He was like, it was like Bill Gates was played by, not Tim Robbins. Chris Cooper? I get what his name is, but he like was like a Bill Gates type. And he was. We need Speaker 2 (21:37) a Steven to look up for our Steven. That's right. Speaker 4 (21:41) He was like it was like a yeah, it was like a Bill Gates guy who was like stealing like young people's technology. And Ryan Felipe was like uncovering the conspiracy. What's Speaker 1 (21:51) the Speaker 4 (21:51) other Speaker 1 (21:51) one? Speaker 4 (21:51) The Speaker 1 (21:52) MTV website. Yeah. Speaker 4 (21:53) Yeah. Oh, yeah. And this Hackers was from was Angelina Jolie. It was released in 95. It was Speaker 2 (21:59) called Hackers. They just went for the lowest common denominator. Speaker 4 (22:03) Johnny Lee Miller. Did Speaker 5 (22:04) it have a Z in it? Speaker 4 (22:05) No, unfortunately. Speaker 5 (22:07) That's the remake. Now, what was the movie The Motherboard that I'm talking about? Was there a movie called The Motherboard? A B movie in the 60s about women with children who get tied to boards. Speaker 5 (22:22) Or Speaker 2 (22:22) just like the mom is bored. Okay, whatever. Speaker 1 (22:25) The motherboard. Or it could be a female CEO with children. The motherboard. She's in charge. She makes all the decisions. You Speaker 2 (22:35) know what? I'm going to try. Parenting's not working. I'm going to try acting like a computer. I'm going to make a computer version of me, the mom. Yes. As a stand-in. It looks exactly like her, but she's controlling it. Yep. From her. Speaker 2 (22:49) Santropat from her. Listen. From what's this Speaker 5 (22:52) called? Why did I pick a name I can't say? I don't know. Santropay. Santropay. Now, Speaker 1 (22:57) if you were 10 years older. From Bora, Bora, Bora. If you were 10 years older, you would know that because it's from the Band of Soleil commercial. Oh. The theme song. Band Speaker 2 (23:10) of Speaker 1 (23:10) Soleil. Back when we didn't know anything about SPF or skin cancer, Bandisole was essentially Wesson oil in a beautiful bottle. And in the summer, you would just put... It smelled so good. It's Speaker 2 (23:22) just Speaker 1 (23:22) baby Speaker 2 (23:22) oil to lay in the sun and give yourself cancer. And there was Speaker 1 (23:26) a little bit of orange dye in it so that you kind of... Nuh-uh. You would seem tanned just by putting it on. Wow. And the jingle was... Ben de Soleil for the Centropay tan. It was so high glamour. Oh my God. That's all I wanted to do was have a Centropay tan when I was 10. Sure. Speaker 5 (23:47) I mean, I still do if I'm going to be honest. Speaker 1 (23:49) Ben de Soleil. Have you seen that commercial, Steven? No. Nobody's seen it. I haven't seen it. I'm like the last fucking white rhino. I'm so old. And I only, only me and a handful of people know my references. That Speaker 2 (24:05) reminds me, you're going to, Vince and I just remembered that you're going to be birthing. 92. Speaker 5 (24:13) You're going to be birthing when we're in Europe, right? When we're in Oslo. Oh, cool. It's my birthday. Oh, let's go find like a reindeer restaurant and fucking Speaker 2 (24:22) eat. reindeer for your birthday. Okay. Great. Speaker 1 (24:25) Let's eat a live reindeer. Let's catch and kill gorgeous animals. Let's Speaker 2 (24:31) do it. Do Speaker 1 (24:32) you remember in Chef's Table, I think it's season one, maybe season two, there's the guy who his restaurant is Viking food? Speaker 5 (24:42) No. Did you not watch that series? I don't think I did. I think I meant to. I Speaker 1 (24:46) thought you would. I thought you, I just automatically assumed you would Speaker 5 (24:49) think that, you know, I get it. He, he gives you a dish and it's, he lights like peat moss on fire and then cooks like three herring. Or like, it's like a bowl and it's like a bog water. Yes. And it's like, have you seen the bodies in the bog? Speaker 1 (25:04) Yeah. You mean the, the ones that have always been there? The Speaker 5 (25:07) bog bodies? Yeah. The ones that are kind of orange. Yeah. They have hair and faces. And nails. Yo yeah. Look that up you guys. That's fucking, Speaker 2 (25:15) that's a, that's a. big bog hole to get into get Speaker 5 (25:18) into that bog hole so you want to go to that restaurant do you want to go get viking food yes but i think we'd have to drive like four hours north of oslo or wherever we are i'm not even sure it's in norway which is the worst part that's for vince to find out that's for our tour manager stephen Speaker 1 (25:34) will you look really quick just so i'm not a total fool in case if this is like in a very obvious other like i don't think you need a nordic country i'm gonna get really depressed But I think it is Norway. Speaker 2 (25:47) Well, you don't know the name of the restaurant. You're just asking him to look up what? Speaker 1 (25:51) Yeah, I'm just asking him to confirm me and just F-er me as a person. Speaker 2 (25:57) I hear you, Karen. I don't even know how you'd look at Speaker 5 (25:59) me. I hear what you're saying. I hear that you're saying hackers. Yeah. Speaker 1 (26:05) And I'm going to tell you you're wrong. It's the motherboard. Speaker 1 (26:12) See, okay. Okay, can I just say this? We haven't Speaker 5 (26:15) really talked about The Alienist recently. Oh, yeah. Are you watching? Yes. Loving it. My machine isn't TiVo-ing it. Is it not? Speaker 1 (26:22) Because Speaker 2 (26:22) it's not a TiVo. One, it's a fucking DirecTV. But two, in an edition. It starts at six. It didn't record it. Is it good? Speaker 5 (26:30) It's so good. I Speaker 1 (26:31) watch every Speaker 5 (26:31) episode twice. Okay. Speaker 1 (26:33) Oh, my gosh. Because I love the fucking art direction. Yeah. I want to go. back in time please i just want to see what it would really look like to walk down the street in like lower east side here's Speaker 2 (26:48) what i think you would notice not what it looks like but the smell yeah Speaker 1 (26:51) you Speaker 2 (26:51) gotta you gotta Speaker 5 (26:52) think about that man it stunk so bad everybody stunk and it stunk Speaker 1 (26:57) but still i just the visual i mean did they even have toilet paper back then no they used papyrus Speaker 1 (27:06) Right? Uh-huh. From the Bible? Uh-huh. Speaker 4 (27:09) Swinging back around, the restaurant was Faviken, and it's in Sweden. Oh, Speaker 7 (27:16) we're going to Sweden. Oh, we are? Yeah. Oh, great. Yeah, you'll Speaker 4 (27:20) be in Stockholm, so it doesn't say what city. I Speaker 1 (27:24) bet it's only seven hours outside of Stockholm. We're going to a Speaker 5 (27:27) McDonald's for your birthday. You know. Speaker 1 (27:29) You're getting Speaker 5 (27:30) real complicated. I'm going to be like... Speaker 1 (27:32) I don't know. It's just like the McDonald's here is better. Yeah. It feels real. It's like I can taste the clogs. But I bet you there's some fancy restaurant that's there. Yeah. Shit. Speaker 5 (27:44) Sorry, guys. No, whatever. Speaker 1 (27:46) I was actually, you know who knows a lot Speaker 5 (27:49) about Norway? Norwegians? Speaker 1 (27:54) Is our accountant. Really? Yeah. That's weird. She was talking all about... She was so excited that we're going to Europe. Oh, my God. So excited that we're going to Amsterdam. She started naming all these places we need to go in Amsterdam and things we need to do. I remember that. One of the things she said is so worth it. You can get on a bus and go to tulip