Suzanne Lossia: The Arranged Marriage, the Divorce & the Life She Built After

Miss Understood with Rachel Uchitel - Rachel Uchitel

Suzanne Lassia shares her powerful journey from an arranged marriage within a traditional Chaldean American family to building a new life of independe

Key takeaways

• Arranged marriages within traditional communities often prioritize family reputation over individual happiness or love.
• Gender inequality can manifest early and deeply, with girls treated as second-class citizens despite material privilege.

Main topics

• Arranged marriage and cultural expectations
• Gender inequality in traditional communities

Notable quotes

"My father used to tell me that his reputation meant more than my life."

"I was a second-class citizen. My brothers are kings."

Conclusion

Suzanne Lassia's story is a testament to the power of resilience and self-reclamation. From a

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) Before we get started, I wanted to let you in on a little secret. What you're about to hear is only part of the conversation. Every Speaker 2 (0:06) week, we keep talking Speaker 1 (0:07) over on Patreon, where you'll find exclusive bonus episodes, behind-the-scenes footage, after-show conversations with my guests, and personal stories from my life that I don't share anywhere else. If you love Misunderstood, Patreon is where you'll get the full experience. Just head on over to patreon.com slash misunderstood with Rachel. You could tell. or click the link in the show notes. I'd love to have you join us. If you met Suzanne Lassia today in Palm Beach, you'd probably think you already knew her story. The clothes, the confidence, the friends, the restaurants, her entire social media presents a personality and a story that is one of a carefree life of a socialite in Palm Beach. But almost nothing about the life you see tells what it took for her to really get here. My father used to tell me Speaker 2 (0:57) that his reputation meant more than my life. My brothers are kings. Okay. I was a second-class citizen. Speaker 1 (1:02) Suzanne says her future had already been decided for her. No college, no dating, no real understanding of love. Her family had chosen the man she was expected to marry. How Speaker 2 (1:13) old were Speaker 1 (1:13) you? I'm 17. I didn't know Speaker 2 (1:14) what attraction was. How are you feeling walking down the aisle? I remember telling my mom two weeks before the wedding, I said, Mom, I don't love him. Mom, he's not the one for me. Speaker 1 (1:22) You're not going to embarrass us. You're going to marry him. She stayed for nine years, had two sons, built the kind of life people around her envied. But behind the mansion, the money, and the image of the perfect family, Suzanne says there was something missing from the beginning. I learned to love him, but I was never in love with him. It's a transactional. I did my job and he did his job. He cheated on me a few times. And then Suzanne did something she says women in her world simply didn't do. I'm leaving. I go, I want my freedom. I never had my freedom. Speaker 2 (1:52) I got nothing. I learned to survive with no education, no money. Freedom came with a price she never expected. I was too embarrassed to let people know that I had no electricity, no food. At one Speaker 1 (2:02) time, I had no car. It's below zero. But the woman who had been told what her life was supposed to be eventually learned how to build one herself. Then Ryan Seacrest came to me. We need to do a show. All of Speaker 2 (2:15) a sudden, who gets a hold of me? Food Network. As soon as I opened my mouth and I was talking, it was over. They right away gave me a contract. Speaker 1 (2:22) Today, her sons are grown, her family relationships have changed, and Suzanne has moved to Palm Beach to finally ask a question she says she was never allowed to ask before. What do I want? This chapter two, it's all about me now. This is Suzanne Lossia's story, and trust me, she is just beginning to live. Speaker 1 (3:12) Suzanne, thank you so much for joining me today on Misunderstood. How are you? I'm doing good. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be here. I'm sitting with you. I'm so happy that you're finally here. We've been friends for a while here in Palm Beach. You're part of the Palm Beach scene, which is so cool. Yeah. But I'm having you here for a completely different reason. Your story, which you've written in the arrangement, is... It's heartbreaking. It's inspiring. It's all the things. Very Speaker 2 (3:40) heartbreaking. Very sad. Speaker 1 (3:42) Yeah. But Speaker 2 (3:43) very uplifting and very heart, you know, very inspiring. Yes. Yeah. Speaker 1 (3:46) I mean, well, here you are to Speaker 2 (3:47) help other women just like me and empowering other people. Speaker 1 (3:50) You know, what's Speaker 2 (3:51) interesting about you, Speaker 1 (3:52) though, is that anytime I've met you out, I would never have known this. Like you had to pull me aside and say, I have a story to tell. And I thought that. But by the way, isn't that so interesting? Because you meet someone out and you. look at you and you're all put together and all this stuff. And you would never know that that person has such a, such a deep story, you know? And, um, and that to me is like part of Palm Beach, right? Cause all these people are walking around and they all look a certain way and they're all put together, but underneath everyone does have a story. So anyway, I'm, I'm very happy to have you here and I want to, I want everyone to hear it. Speaker 2 (4:27) Thank you so much, Rachel. You're amazing. You're gorgeous. Like, I just adore you. Thank you. You're so sweet. Speaker 1 (4:32) Well, let's start at the beginning. Okay. First of all, tell us what Chaldean is because you are Chaldean American author. So what does that mean? So Chaldean, I am Chaldean. Speaker 2 (4:42) I'm a Speaker 1 (4:43) Chaldean American, Speaker 2 (4:44) first born, first generation here in America. Nobody knows what Chaldean is. Chaldean is the oldest culture in the Bible. We spoke the first language of Christ called Aramaic. you can't get any closer to Jesus Christ. Like, you know, Abraham was called in the Bible. Oh yeah. Abraham is Calvian. So we go back 5,500 years. We spoke the first language of Christ called Aramaic. We're Babylonian. Huh? Speaker 1 (5:13) Yeah. Nobody has heard of us. Speaker 2 (5:15) We live the most lavish lifestyle you have ever seen in Michigan. There's probably 250,000 Calvians. These kids, my kids. Driving $150,000, $200,000, $300,000 cars. The most lavish life. You talk about Palm Beach. Yeah, Palm Beach. You cannot touch the Caldeans of Michigan. Okay, but start from the beginning then. When your parents Speaker 1 (5:37) were born here or they came here? So Speaker 2 (5:39) my parents were both, no, my parents are, you know, I'm first generation. So they were born, they came here in the 1970s, like late 1970s, I believe. But they had met? No. Oh. No, they actually, my father came to America with absolutely nothing. Speaker 1 (5:54) He Speaker 2 (5:55) went three days without having a place to sleep, eat or anything. So just in the pursuit of the American dream, just to pursue the American dream. It's a crazy story that needs to be told that America needs to know about. So my father. went to somebody asking for help because he came to America when he was young. He had nobody here. So he went to somebody for help and they gave him a job in a supermarket. So Chaldeans, what they knew best when they didn't know how to speak English, they turned to being merchants. Got Speaker 1 (6:24) it. Speaker 2 (6:24) So my father got a job at a supermarket. Speaker 2 (6:28) After like a month, month and a half, they promoted him to be a manager. Speaker 1 (6:34) Okay, so he had good work ethic, obviously. Yeah, very good Speaker 2 (6:36) work ethic. He's very hardworking. Very, Chaldeans are very spiritual. All about family. Work ethic. God. Every Sunday is like Thanksgiving in our homes. So he turned to these owners of this, you know, grocery store. He's like, do you guys know anybody that wants to get married? Because he was here alone. He was like, yeah, we've got two sisters. And they're like, he's like, okay, I would like to go see the younger sister, not the older sister, but the younger sister. After a couple of weeks, my dad went to go see my mother. Two hours later, they were engaged. Three days later, they were married. 50 years together. Speaker 1 (7:13) Wow. Wait, but now was that an arranged marriage in your mind? Basically, yes. But he chose. Well, they, they introduced. So in the Chaldean community, Speaker 2 (7:22) they like to keep it within the Chaldeans. Chaldeans marry Chaldeans because they want to expand the generations. You know what I mean? So the people Speaker 1 (7:29) running the store were Chaldean. Yes. Okay. Yeah. There were Speaker 2 (7:31) Chaldeans. So he wanted to keep it Speaker 1 (7:33) in the family. And your father, even at a young age, knew he wanted to have that kind of arranged marriage, meaning keep it within Speaker 2 (7:40) the religion. You know, yes. And you know what? Down here. I'm learning that it's a transactional marriage. Yeah. Because a lot of it, a lot of the people down here are transactional. Totally. Yeah. So you get it. That's why you love Palm Beach. Yeah. I mean, at first I'm like, what? And my friend, Nicole Coco, she brought it to my attention. She's like, do you realize that you're in a transactional marriage just like everybody wants to be? And I'm like, what? So it's like a dream. I'm like, oh my God, that's true. In our culture, a man is supposed to be a protector and provider. That's where I come from. Right. So you see the Italians. Italians are very hardcore, family-oriented. We're a lot like the Italians. Okay. Yeah. So Chaldeans and— So you believe in family, but Speaker 1 (8:22) the love story portion of it maybe is something they don't believe in. Speaker 2 (8:26) Yes. It just gets left out. My father used to tell me that his reputation meant more than my life. I remember I was 14 years old and he still laughs about it till today. I mean, I'll put him on the phone speaker. He's got the best personality. I mean, he's so fun. He's like, he wanted to take me back, back to the middle, you know, to get me married and leave me there. He still laughs about it. To the Middle East. Yeah. Yeah. So reputation is everything. Speaker 1 (8:51) Now, as a female, explain what that's like. They, uh, females are second-class citizens. So my Speaker 2 (8:56) brothers are Kings. Okay. I was a second-class citizen. So your childhood, you always felt that? I always. They didn't treat me Speaker 1 (9:04) like they treated my brothers. I was just of no value. Speaker 2 (9:09) It was very hard growing up. What did that mean Speaker 1 (9:10) growing up? How did you feel? I was alone. I didn't have a childhood. I cried every day. It was hard. Like your parents would put them first, would do fun things with them. What would they leave you out of? Everything. Like everything Speaker 2 (9:24) with the boy, boy, boy, boy, boy. Everything is like boys, yes. Nothing for a woman. A woman is just get her married, get her out of the house, make sure she keeps Speaker 1 (9:32) the family name. So growing up, did your mom try to teach you like how to clean up and how to make food? Like, was it that kind of situation? My family Speaker 2 (9:42) gave me everything, but they didn't give me my freedom. I was spoiled. Bougie, bougie, brand new cars, everything. But brand new cars. I'm in high school and I could drive from one place to another. I wasn't allowed to do anything. No school dances. No, you know, going out. Because of Speaker 1 (10:00) boys, like you couldn't be around boys. Yeah, I had to be Speaker 2 (10:01) a virgin to get married. And if I wasn't a virgin, nobody was going to marry me. I had to keep the family name. I remember how many times they're like, oh, they would come in my room and I would always be in my room crying because I was alone because nobody wanted to play with me. And my brother, my brother, I call them like, I call them because I have a bunch of brothers and I call them like my oldest. Yeah, I couldn't. Like, I remember. having this beautiful car and he took the spark plugs out. He came at 12 o'clock in the afternoon at a mall and grabbed me by my arm and brought me home. You're not allowed to go out. Speaker 1 (10:31) You're not allowed Speaker 2 (10:32) to go out. But his daughter goes out. She travels. She does everything. He thought that I was being bad by going out. No, I wanted to live my childhood. Speaker 1 (10:40) So you think your brother lets his daughter, um, his daughters. Yeah. I mean, my brother's, yeah. But did they marry American women? No. So why do you think they let their American daughter now? But I don't know. But the funny Speaker 2 (10:53) thing is, I mean, I get along with my brothers, my family. I mean, I get along with them very good now. I mean, they disowned me for a long time. They shunned me because I, you know, I got divorced. Well, let's let's not skip Speaker 1 (11:05) ahead. But but it's just interesting, though, and we'll spool back to it. But that how your brothers went through life with you and now they're married, but allow their children to do different things, which which must Speaker 2 (11:15) mean that they've progressed in their mind. Yeah, some have progressed. Most of them have. I'm like, he's like, I remember last year he told my kids, like, do you know how bad your mom was? And my kids are looking at him like, what? I go, how was I bad? What am I? What did I do that your daughter is not doing? You know what I mean? I mean, my daughter, my niece is gorgeous. She's a, you know, she's, you know. I know a sister. I mean, she's good. She's a good girl. But all Speaker 1 (11:40) I ever wanted was to live my childhood. So would they have allowed you to have a job or that wasn't even Speaker 2 (11:44) a thing? Oh, that Speaker 1 (11:45) was, no. I remember my Speaker 2 (11:47) dad went on vacation and when he found out that I had a job at a jewelry store, oh, they made me quit. You cannot Speaker 1 (11:52) be out. And what about, were they prepping you to go to college or school? There was no college. Okay. Yeah, there was no college. So that wasn't an option. You're going to sit Speaker 2 (12:00) at home cooking clean. Did your brothers go to college? No, because my dad gave us everything. So how did your dad get so wealthy? Oh my God. And my dad, he worked his butt off. 30 years opening clothes in supermarkets and- So he ended up owning his own. Owning his own, owning a lot more than that. Real estate. My dad was, he retired at 48. Wow. Yeah. My dad opened and closed. He would leave us. I remember we lived in Bloomfield. Nobody lived in Bloomfield. Only the Jewish community lived in Bloomfield. And I mean, all my friends are Jewish. I mean, they're amazing. But nobody lives in Bloomfield back then. My Speaker 1 (12:38) dad Speaker 2 (12:38) made sure that we had the house that everybody wanted to. So he Speaker 1 (12:42) moved to America with what we said, the American dream, but wanted it all. He wanted the wealth. He wanted to be that family. What it was, Speaker 2 (12:49) the Chaldeans, all they care about is their wife and their kids and to live the American dream. And they're building umpires right now. Got it. Yeah. So my father, all he's ever cared about is for us to grow up right. and grow up in a really good area. Okay. Speaker 1 (13:04) Yeah. I Speaker 2 (13:04) remember there was like not even roads where we, you know, we had set on acres of property. Then he ended up knocking the house down and rebuilding it. But yeah, my dad gave us everything. My 16 years old Corvette convertible at the Bloomfield high school. It's insane. So did you ever have a boyfriend growing up that Speaker 1 (13:20) was Speaker 2 (13:20) on your own? So I remember one time, one time somebody said, Oh, they seen me with the guy. My brother came, I remember it's called 12 mall. I'll never forget that in Southfield, Michigan. Grabbed me by my arm in front of everybody, left my car there because he had heard that I had a boyfriend. Speaker 1 (13:42) Did you? I was talking to Speaker 2 (13:44) somebody. I Speaker 1 (13:45) was. I mean, Speaker 2 (13:47) it's a girl thing. I mean, 16, I had just turned 16. I mean, that's like the normal thing to do. And I remember he got me in the room. He's like, why him? I go, I don't know what you're talking about. I denied the whole thing. Why him? Why him? He started crying to me. My brother started crying. Why him? Why did you go out with the man? Why did you embarrass him? Was he Chaldean? Speaker 1 (14:08) He was Chaldean. Okay. Speaker 2 (14:10) Yeah. Yeah. No, you're not going out. Speaker 1 (14:12) Took the spark plugs out of my car for six months. So what's interesting is you were, you were dating within your religion. Yes. But you were, they had to. do the arranging. Yeah. I remember my mom, how many times she'd come to my room, Speaker 2 (14:27) Susie, there's this family. They own an umpire. It's not about selling me. They didn't sell me. You know what I mean? It's not selling. There's no selling in the Keldean community. I think it's more like Islam and, you know, the Persian or like Palestinian. Indian, yeah. Indian, they do that. My parents didn't sell me. What they did is they wanted to keep the family name. They wanted to just marry me off. Once she's married, We don't have to deal with her. Well, not only that, but it also sounds like Speaker 1 (14:55) they cared about the type of family you married into. Yeah. That was important to them to do that. Yeah. So did they attempt different arrangements with different people? Yeah. And one Speaker 2 (15:04) worked out or it was always one? So it was always another Chaldean family. The reputation is everything. But I mean, Speaker 1 (15:11) did you try on a couple of different guys to Speaker 2 (15:13) be arranged with? Speaker 1 (15:14) So there was only one pick? There was only Speaker 2 (15:15) one. Speaker 1 (15:16) Yeah. Okay. How old were you? 17. And did you know this was coming? He was my Speaker 2 (15:22) brother's friend. Okay. So I felt like I rather, I've seen him three times, two, three, maybe twice before it went into it. Were you attracted Speaker 1 (15:32) to him? Speaker 2 (15:32) I Speaker 1 (15:33) didn't know what attraction was. So you weren't into like, you didn't daydream about what it would be like to be in a dating relationship or married? No, I knew Speaker 2 (15:44) nothing. Okay. Yeah. I had to be a virgin. Like there was like, there was no, I didn't know what attraction was. Right. I was literally in Speaker 1 (15:52) a cardboard box. Right. Cardboard box. I knew nothing. So growing up, I'm curious, did you read stories like Cinderella or fables like that, that like American girls grow up on? Speaker 2 (16:03) No, I never, no. So it wasn't, it Speaker 1 (16:07) wasn't instilled in you that you find this. No, I like literally Speaker 2 (16:09) lived in my room. I cried a lot and. Speaker 2 (16:13) Oh, I cried a lot. And, you know, I just listened to music. What were you, what do you think you were crying about? My life. I'm like, this is like, I was, I was very, I was very unhappy. I was sad. I, you know, not, you know, God gave everybody, you know, I didn't deserve the cards I was dealt. Speaker 1 (16:34) I hate the word alone. And you felt like you knew you were going to be given to someone that you didn't want to be Speaker 2 (16:40) alone. I didn't. Every friend that I had, they chased away. They called her a whore. They called her a bitch. She chased her away. Wow. Yeah. They chased her away and it wasn't easy. I mean, it was hard. And I still feel like they still bring him up. My, you know, Speaker 1 (16:52) my ex-husband. So. Let's talk about the arrangement itself. So your parents start to warm you up to this idea. Yeah. Speaker 2 (16:59) So they go, Susie, I go, yeah, they go, you know, this family wants to go come see you. And I said, okay. And I knew who it was and they came and I offered them tea and coffee and like cookies and baklava and other stuff, all goodies. So you had to be like the server. So I had to, I walked out, they had to see me, they had to check me out. I walked out. Oh my goodness. Yeah. Glammed up. I've always been bougie and glammed up. They gave me everything. But like I said, they didn't give me my credit cards, money I had. Right. But the freedom was like, right. Speaker 1 (17:32) So Speaker 2 (17:32) I, you know, I served them coffee and tea came out of my room and I knew him because I had seen him a couple of times. And, um, so Speaker 1 (17:43) I went with that. I went with it. And did you have any interaction with the boy? What was his first name? We call him Yaya. Yaya. Yeah. So at that point, do they like let you hang out with Yaya? Do you talk to him? Do you have any interaction? So Speaker 2 (17:56) I Speaker 1 (17:56) would hang Speaker 2 (17:56) out with him. We hung out. Yes. And my brothers would be with us a lot. Speaker 1 (18:01) Okay. So were you shy? Was he shy? Like what? Speaker 2 (18:04) Yeah. I mean, I didn't know. I mean, I was always, I always had a flamboyant personality. Okay. I've always been outgoing and fun. And I'm like, oh my God, I started going out. I started going to restaurants and bars and having fun. I'm like, oh my God, this is what life is. I'm staying out till two o'clock in the morning. My dad didn't care as I was with my brothers Speaker 1 (18:22) most of the time. So they didn't care. I'm like, oh my God. I'm like, okay, I'll take this. So you started having fun. And what was your feeling about Yaya? Speaker 2 (18:31) I really didn't have feelings. Speaker 1 (18:32) Well, I mean, at some point, who says this is the person you're going to marry? Like, when does it click with you that this is the guy they're arranging? Speaker 2 (18:40) My Speaker 1 (18:40) dad and my mom and my brothers. Like, this is Speaker 2 (18:42) the guy. He's got a great family name. He's got a good, they're good people. How old were you? 17 and a half. And how old was he? He was seven, eight years older than me. Oh, wow. Yeah. Speaker 1 (18:55) And had he Speaker 2 (18:55) been, had he had other relationships? Oh, he was allowed. He dated everything. He was dating an American girl before he married me. And his mom says, you're not going to marry an American girl. If you even think about it, you're going to be out in the streets with nothing. So the guys don't have to be virgins. No. Oh my God. The guys, listen, they'll go out with everything. They'll spoil the hell out of you, but they'll always marry one of us. Right. Speaker 1 (19:18) Well. I'm guessing if he's. He's not a virgin. No, Speaker 2 (19:21) the guys don't have to be. The Speaker 1 (19:22) girl has to be a virgin. Right. Although ship her back home. Speaker 2 (19:25) Okay. Speaker 1 (19:26) I know it's insane. I know it's insane. I mean, this happens in America. So did he, I mean, I know the answer to this, but I'm Speaker 2 (19:33) going Speaker 1 (19:33) to ask for people to listen. So how did he propose? What propose? There was, he didn't Speaker 2 (19:39) get Speaker 1 (19:40) down Speaker 2 (19:40) on his knees. There was none of that. Explain the proposal. Propose like. Um, he, we, his mom or his sisters and me and my mom, we went to a jewelry store and we picked out a ring. There was no proposal. Speaker 1 (19:57) So, but it wasn't their phone call. Like, didn't his mother? Oh, his mother did call my mom and said, we want to, we want to come see your daughter, which they came a Speaker 2 (20:05) week later and they came and checked me out and they liked me. And I think maybe a month and a half later, we did an engagement. But did you like them? They were old school in the beginning. I didn't get along with them. I didn't even know how to speak Chaldean. They taught me how to speak Chaldean. They were talking to me in Chaldean. Oh yeah. I didn't really know how to speak. Do they speak English? Speaker 1 (20:24) No, I Speaker 2 (20:24) had to learn. Oh, wow. So you couldn't Speaker 1 (20:26) even really communicate Speaker 2 (20:27) with these people? No. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Speaker 1 (20:29) Oh, were they kind to you? Were they affectionate to you? Did you get a good sense from, um, this or were you repulsed by this whole idea? No, they're good Speaker 2 (20:39) people. They died for me till today. They love me. They died for me. I mean, people are like, what is going on here? They all, I mean, the brothers hang out with my father. The brothers hang out. His brothers hang out with my kids. I mean, he's crazy. He still comes to my family's house and hangs out. I mean, not my family's house. I'm sorry. He still calls my brothers and hangs out with my brothers. He's married to another lady. I mean. Oh, he's remarried. Speaker 1 (21:03) He's Speaker 2 (21:03) remarried. Speaker 1 (21:04) All right, let's not jump ahead. So talk about. The engagement. So it's five and a half months, right? Until you get married. So we have Speaker 2 (21:12) an engagement at my parents' house. They call it a teneatha. Does Speaker 1 (21:16) he kiss you? There's Speaker 2 (21:17) no Speaker 1 (21:17) kissing. Oh, Speaker 2 (21:18) until Speaker 1 (21:18) you're Speaker 2 (21:19) married, until you're Speaker 1 (21:19) married. Yeah. Speaker 2 (21:21) So the Speaker 1 (21:21) first kiss is when you get married? Yeah. Speaker 2 (21:23) Oh God. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I know it's surreal. And at any Speaker 1 (21:27) point, are you like, he's hot or? No, he's not hot. Okay. Speaker 2 (21:32) Well, Speaker 1 (21:32) even if he's not. technically hot. Sometimes you can fall in love with somebody because they're so good to you. You know what I mean? Or you're attracted to them. Well, Speaker 2 (21:39) I'll tell you, like I was never, so let's back up. We hit a Tanatha pre-engagement. That means the whole family came to my parents' house. There are hundreds and hundreds of them. Okay. He's got 12 siblings, three of them passed away. He's got nine. So hundreds of nieces and nephews, everyone came to my parents. We have a big house in Michigan. So all, they all come to my parents' house. They all bring in desserts and the priest comes in. And he puts our hands together. And that's when he puts the ring on my finger. There's no proposing. Got it. Speaker 1 (22:07) Yeah. Speaker 2 (22:07) He puts a ring on my finger. I put a ring on his finger. Speaker 1 (22:10) And is it like a regular marriage ceremony that we've all been through that there's a priest and they give a speech and you do your vows? There was no vows. No vows. Okay. So rings on the finger. Speaker 2 (22:20) I didn't even understand. Like rings on the finger. I was a tinnitus, pre-engagement. And then my mom threw me like maybe a month, month and a half later, she threw me a 300 person shower. bridal shower, gorgeous at a country club. Okay. So they all came, my whole house was furnished. And are your friends excited for you? They're like. No, I mean, you know, I had a couple of his family, a couple of my families. I didn't really have friends. Got it. I maybe had one and they chased everybody away from me because they wanted to keep me wholesome. Wholesome. And they wanted to keep me, keep the family name. They were worried about me ruining the family name by going out with these girls. Got it. Speaker 1 (22:59) Yeah. So you didn't have this posse of girls that now you do. Yeah. Speaker 2 (23:03) Okay. So wedding night. my God, no, five months later, let's