Ep 628 - Guys Trip 2022 (feat. Chris O'Connor & Billy)

Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast

In Episode 628 of 'Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast,' the hosts—Matt, Shane, Chris O'Connor, and Billy—recount their chaotic 2022 beach trip, culminating in a heated debate over whether Metallica or U2 is superior. The ar

Key takeaways

• Chris O'Connor insisted on pouring water into sand at the beach to stabilize an umbrella, leading to a 30-minute debate over whether wet sand is stronger than dry.

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Speaker 1 (0:00) The Wild Wow, Wes. Okay, the U2 album that was on, uh, the iPod. It was on everybody's phone. Phil was convinced that I downloaded that onto his car, because anytime he started his car, played. And, uh, the album art was like a guy sucking another guy's dick. I don't know if you remember that. No. The album art of the album that they put on that YouTube, there was a guy kissing a guy's stutter. Was it really? Yes. Of course, dude, that's you too. I didn't know that. Yeah. huge information Yeah. The YouTube. Yeah. And Phil. Phil thought it was me. Now, some guys, not saying to who, think Metallica is not as good as you too. Well, the original argument was November rain versus Enter Sam. November rain, I would say, but we were talking about, well, the original argument was about Prince, and then we all agreed, so we had to find some of the disagreement. As a musician, he's not that good. I'm like, bro. Bro, I didn't say that. You did. He's not even that good. He's not like, everyone, like, jerks him off. He's some crazy guitarist. He's like, just like every. other shredder in the 80s. You said he wasn't top 20. He's not top 20. 20. Yes. That was my argument. That was my argument. That's the argument. That's literally that's literally. That's literally, we were. We settled the prince. Prince. Not top 20 is a pretty fair fucking argument. In terms of cars. I don't think you had a really, you'd have an argument. We entered into the argument of like if stuff's better musically as as a musician. And then we got into somehow Enter Sandman versus Guns and Roses. Yeah, that had nothing to do that conversation. It did. It sprung from it. What are you talking about? Yeah. But it was sprung about. You know, music. You're, you said Enter Sandman isn't as good as November rain. I said, dude, enter Sandman rules. You definitely entered November rain into the argument. Yeah. Because nobody would pick that. We were talking about Enter Sandman. And I was like November rain. We didn't go from Prince to G&R. It was just a new thing. No, it was all the same. Dude, it was a musical. It was a musical debate. The debate was Enter Sandman versus fucking, what's it called again? November rain. Yeah, exactly. And all the appeal to authority. There's no appeal to authority. And they're a circular argument. They could never. Yeah. Yeah. Christina Aguilera better than Santana. Tell me, please. You already, you're already moving the goalposts all around. It's crazy. It's almost like a girl move. I don't see that way. Enter Samman. I don't see that way. Enter Sandman. A good move in the debate. Or. Ender Saman. It's a great movie. Or November rain. Yeah. November rain is better. A better song. Enter Sandman is. I. November rain is. I will say that last night I came in on the November Rain camp. I know. Chris. You were out of your pound. You were out of pound. You were out of town. on is better. We listen to it. We listened to it. Literally, we did. Well, it's pretty good. Nate, November Rain is awesome. Oh, the song's awesome. Hold on. Nate, you heard. It's awesome. You'd never heard it before? Yes. And then what happened when we played Enter Sandman? You heard it already, right? He doesn't even know. He doesn’t even know. Yeah. You heard it a million times already. I wonder why. Yeah, that dude, you’re, look, I love you. I don't want you to go back into those really murky waters. It is the pump-up song. Guys, we've already covered this. True. It’s a great song. You know, He really was. He was blown away. Nate was blown away by November rain. Andrew, Nate butt fucks it. Thinks Lupe is better than Kanye. Yeah. Yeah, you do. You did until I took you to that fucking concert. Yes or no. Guard dog. Guard dog. He loves Lupe. Backpack rap. I love Lupe. I love Lupe. He's one of my goats. But Kanye is the best. I was about to make everyone say Kanye's better than Beatles. Nice mic drop. Cigarette Mike drop. Kanye better than Beatles, you got a better argument than your argument about Metallica. That was the second argument. You two over Metallica. You two over Metallica. The most insane argument. Look, I'll take that's literally like the most appeal. I was riding high from November rain. I don't like Metallica. I don't either. And then not that much. Like I don't ride. Who's a girl now? You're screaming about a Metallica. Who's a girl now? I'm saying. Who's a girl now? Dude. I had a screaming and crying. Come on, man. I chose a side. You screamed and cried last night about Metallica. I went to bed like a man. I said, I'll let the you two handle this. I backed a bad horse. I was like, dude, your argument is better than theirs. We went track by track. Fuck, did I lose the argument. Did Judas? I literally saved you on the beach. I literally pulled you off that beach. It's melting down. It’s fracturing. By the way, if you think we have teams, if you don't think I'm just sitting back and enjoying it. Right. I mean, I understand the truth. Anybody saying November rain over Enter Sandman is a fool. And public, boys, I'll think that the entire world will go. Oftentimes, the fools dressed in a crowd. A lot of times, fools are fucking retards. And get pushed onto the ground. And everyone goes, shut up, fool. My argument was the name of Boston. Remember when Mariano Rivera ran out to November, right? No. No, no, no. That's right? Remember when November, I can't believe, Novemberang got this collapse, communism, and Moscow. Remember, yo, in Virginia Tech when they run out a tunnel, you know how the entire 100,000 stadium jumps up. You know what I like, you know what I like? You know what I like? You know what I swear to God it doesn't come close. It comes pretty close after a goal. After a goal in hockey. That's a cool application for a song. The public crowd up is great. But as a great song, because you can publish the crowd. It's almost like the goal. You can listen to it in your car. while you're driving. You can do all kinds of stuff. That's one specific thing for a song to be used for. November rain, so many different cod. How come the musicians agreed? They were led, by the way. There was a lot of leading. How come the musicians that we will not name? Two out of one. Two out of one. We called. Two for one. Nate, first time listener, November rain blew him away. He didn't choose. Yes, he did. I mean, if we put on Inner Sandman for the first time ever, he heard a million times already. It would have blown his fucking mind. I don't think it did. He would have been literally one of the Russians taking his uniform off and being on someone's shoulders going. Guys, people like different stuff. Nate doesn't like that's where the argument goes. That's where the argument is the end of the argument. Yeah, that's where it went. Then we can agree that. Then you said, that was a better guitarist. I immediately took that back. Disgusting. That was a hell Mary. I was, I was really sweet. And you guys, you didn't take it back. You guys were saying, I told about something else. What about Britney Spears and Carlos Santown? What the fuck you guys just talking? No, no, no, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I said the edge one. I did a compilation. And mid thing, he went, fuck, this sucks. Took it back immediately. You went, they're better because more people listen to it. I said, whoa, Bill, I said, now I got him where I want them. I said, Bill, that's how you're losing this argument. I can't believe you're losing this argument. He was. That was. You're losing a YouTube versus Metallica argument. I'm not. By his own logic, YouTube is technically better because they have more records or whatever. They have more records. It's literally hard to lose this argument. I know. You two is cold. He was on the break. And he wouldn't admit it. I admit it when I'm wrong. I go, some may argue why climb the highest mountain. And why does you two beat Metallica? Not because it is easy. Why argue that you two is better than Metallica? God, I could have went with Sabbath. I could have met. You wouldn't have an argument with Sabbath. What do you mean? We would agree with. Yeah, yeah, true. We're not, we're not guys that go. I was saying I back the bad. You would remember cold play? they're better than Metallica. You said Colplay rocks. Coplay does rock. Coplay does rock. They rock. But you too. Come on. I said if we were going to things, if we were going by, they're more popular and they sell more records. We were just going by what's better. That's not the argument. His argument was that they're more popular. I gave you my answer. Hold on. Hold on. You take it back. Quiet. Quiet. You said. Don't worry about the sound. You said, pretty. Spier's better than Carlos said. You said that last night. Brother, like a woman. You had. I was like, like a woman, you look at me. You're a fucking liar. Like a woman, you look at me. You were like, edge is better than Kirk Hammett. And I was like, dude, that's just not true. I put you in the dirt on that. And then you were like, what about, uh, no, I laughed. Your eyes started darting around. Not true. I looked at it. I went, fuck, this guy sucks. This guy sucks. And then I said the whole thing, my whole argument was like, you were based on appeal to a authority and I said bill to authority you were saying you too they're the most appeal authority band in the fucking world they're on everybody's they're on everybody's they're making red iPhones that's money laundering and the whole way I was saying is musically I was like they're better musicians than Mattow they're not and I died on that hill because I fucking bono against fucking headfield you think Bono is a better singer than headfield well it depends on who has more range and now you get I'm again field I guess you know this master master Sleep. He, every, dude, every one of his songs sounds like. And Bono fucking weirdly whispers into the mic. Bono has more of a vocal range and he doesn't. He does. And then he said edge over fucking and I am really laughing. Discussed. As soon as all a compilation, you said, yeah. And Sake and Bernie Spears are better than Carlos Santana. I did not live with that. You were trying to get me. Well, got to walk that back. You got to take that. Also, LeBron, can I answer? I'm taking my else. You have to take that out. I'll answer. You fucking flopped on that. But the reason. You almost lost the worst debate of all the time. The reason it got to there because I said, dude, they're just better. It's not even competition. And you guys are like, but why? But why? I was like, they're just are. You said they're better than Carlos Santana. I was getting double team play. No, you can't. Rock card revoked. Also, also, in the middle of the double teaming, you were taking, you know, Ocama was a wild card too. Ocone. You would just hop in and scream. Hey, I was going to be like that. I was a part of this at all. I know. You had your own. You were arguing. Just so you know, you were arguing alone against no one. No, I wasn't part of this conversation. You were sitting at the bar. You were sitting at the bar. You would look over with your white eyes and your red face. And you would go, yeah. Yeah, we go, holy shit. I forgot Chris was here. It was a different conversation. I know you were having your own. It was a different conversation. I supported. O'Connor, it's in the bullpen. You were having your own battle. This is a misrepresentation. You're having your own battle. And you always do this. Anytime I talk about Prince, you hijack. it and you take it too far. I didn't take it too far. Anytime I discussed Prince. I said there was 2,000 artists that I believe are better than Prince. That's taking it too far. Yeah, that's great. That's false. And I began to name it. All I said, I started the year 2000. Like 15. All I said, I was just working through the top thousand from 2000 and 2009. All I said was Prince is not top 10. And then my only ally in the argument is always you. And you jump in and you say he's not top 2000. Then I got to go, fuck. Now I got to ride with this guy. It's a marriage. He's like, Creed, better than Prince. And I got to go. Am I wrong? Creed fucking bangs. 311, better than Prince. And I got to go. You've had the fight too many times. I know the battle. I've listened to everyone. I know. I know. But it's current. I've had this battle that many times. I know. But that's what makes you gun shy. You know what I mean? That's why you'll say he's outside the top 10. And I'm telling you, he's still great. There are bigger. It's worse than that. You think he's not top 2,000. I don't think so. Matchbox 20 or Prince? Matchbox 20. It's easy matchbox 20. This is where we're wrong. You're wrong about it. How? Because Prince is better than matchbox 20. By what metric? Every single possible metric. No. There's not one metric. Hit songs? Yes. You think Prince has... Yes, we could look at Billboard's top hit songs. Prince has more than that. Now we're back to the popularity thing. Well, you just said hit songs. See what happens? You don't know they start dancing around. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Time out for one second. Time out. Don't try that anyone else. Hit you made that. Call time out. Call time out. Hits a video. You literally just said hit songs. Yeah, yeah. And then I said, Can you take me out of this? Hit songs. This. And you said, now you're bringing up. I like this. No, no, no. That's not what I said. Okay. Let's do it again. I was saying hit songs. I'm talking about songs. Songs that they've made that you like genuinely love listening to. That's the definition of a hit song? Yeah, like a match. Matchbox 20, I think, has, like, hit songs that you would like play. A hit song. Yeah. So a popular song. That's what a hit song is. I guess. I didn't mean it that way. I didn't mean it in the, in the, like, a billboard, a Billboard top. Biggangers. No, but a hit song. Yeah, we're going to have to. We're going to have to get here again. Oh, shit. But that's fine. We'll play a couple seconds. Yeah. Yeah. But I love that. I love that argument. Name a hit song. You mean a, like a billboard top one. No, you're bringing up hit songs. No, no. I mean like, you mean bangers by bangers. So it's push you around. I want to push you. What other? Oh. Dan, and then, yeah. Santana and Matchbox 20 of a band. That clab was nasty. Rob Johnson. Is it Rob Johnson? Rob Thomas. Rob Thomas. Yeah. I met him on time backstage. Did you for real? I snuck backstage. Actually, I'm a big game of love fan too. I always saw Rob Thomas looked like the guy who cuts the guys dick off in Game of Thrones. He does look exactly. I can't. Yeah, you know, he's spud. Spud, Rob Thomas, and the guy who cuts the guy's dick off. He, I feel he looks more like. Different stages of their lives. You know that guy's had an incredibly brutal life. Rob Thomas had like the worst life ever. I've read his, you can hear it in his music. No, he got, he had like a really fucked, he had a very fucked up horrible terrible life. More than I can hear him. Yeah. No, I think he had like a terrible, like horrible home life. And then he like he started a band. That never worked out. for a long time. It's just like, hey guys, hit a tough time. No, I was listening to it. His sexual deviant, he No, I never said that. He said sexual deviant. He's sexual deviant. No, he just had it. If you read his Wikipedia, it's like an unbelievably horrible story. He tried to start a band and it didn't go so good. I think he got like fucked by a manager. It was like, he just had like hardship after hardship. It's talking about Rob Thomas. Rob Thomas. Yeah. Yeah, he's talking about Rob Thomas. Rob Thomas is in sexual deviant. moves fast, but your vibe that's different. Sharper, smoother, more alive. I just a boy, a boy, habanautau is a sexual debil me. I don't know. He doesn't know. He listens. He listens to this podcast. Chris O'Connor called you. And I'm the only one defending him against Prince. So what do you think he's going to be? I bet you Rob Thomas would be like, dude, Prince is better. He has to say that. I think he's not a sexual deviant. I didn't cut the guy's dick off in Game of Thrones. It was probably better. It was good. I love a good sport, though. That was good sport. Nothing fires me on fun. And people seem to get mad at me every time I love. It's fun. I delight in. It's fun. I delight it. I love it. I love the same guy. I was get going like that. I entered the argument last night laughing. I was having a good time. And then I got sucked into it. Next thing I knew, I was having a good time. It took me an hour and a half to fall asleep. Fuller caffeinated, though. I know. And the conversation kept going home. Next thing I knew, I was just like, you two's. I love you too. Yeah. I was going to sleep. Like, how did that happen to me? I told myself it wouldn't work. I got sucked in. I know. I know. Huh? Text the group chat. Yeah. No more arguing. Yeah. Shane Stannis. I love it. He's inevitable. If you're on beach trip, there's going to be a blowout argument. Nah, that was nowhere near sand. Sand. That was nowhere near Sandman. Yes, that was interesting. That's the real sandman. O'Connor almost got physical in that one. Arrubon did not almost get physical. You scared my dad. You don't, you were dominating over me. Bored him maybe, but I didn't scare. No, I remember him going. I filmed it. I have video. You were domineering over me on the couch. No, it was on the other side of the counter. You walked over. I remember everything from last picture. I do remember that. I do remember you. And you know that. You stood over him and you're like, I don't give you. I have a degree. I said that from the other side of this counter. No, no. You walked. When I said, when I said that I don't care who your uncle is or whatever. No, I think I remember there were two chairs. Real quick. I kept going, my uncle works for Halliburton. No, my uncle doesn't work for Halliburton. Please don't say it. I don't know. No, the owners of how. Spade was talking about. I think there were Halliburton came up. Spade was talking about Halberton and how they get oil out of the ground. I will say those hunks. Nothing new with the sand argument. Yeah. Those hunks that were, there's fucking halber and shit that were bringing up. The hunks that were giving us our umbrellas. Yeah. They're pouring a lot of water on that pole. Well, they're digging deep. Down to what do you think? What was the argument with the sand? Compacted sand. Yeah. If you pour water on sand, does it get... Stronger or weaker. Stronger. weaker. How so? Oh, well, once it dries. Here's a part of the argument. Here's a part of the argument you're missing. They're wrong. They're wrong. Here's part of the argument that, you're missing with the sand argument. Chris was filling up a single bottle of water. Pouring it down. No, no, no, that's now, now you're moving. You're feeling what it does up and water. No, no, it's not true. I watch you do this. I remember everything. What do you build a wet sand castle? What do you mean? Like, when you do a drippy castle, that's way different than just a pile of dry sand. It's the same thing. There's just water in it. So it doesn't absorb, but just hold water gets trapped between it. Pretty much. I mean, it's, like, sand's like one of the smallest fucking. It's like rock. No one said it absorbed. Chris. Does it hold together better? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Chris, can I ask you? It's pretty simple. It's pretty simple. You pour water on sand, what happens to it? It does go here. Yes. Chris, can I ask you? It's not rocket science. And I had to have this battle for fucking five hours. Chris, can I ask you some? Halliburton comes up. Chris. Chris, 3 a.m. 3 a.m. is a great matchbox 20 songs. Push. Push. Hold on. Can I ask you something? Yeah. You're telling me you were not feeling. up water in a water bottle. It was a bigger water bottle. It was bigger. And then when this went down the pole, all the water fucking expanded the hole and pushed the hole out more. No, no, no. I compacted the sand with my foot and then I poured water on top of that and then I compacted it again. Water does something of sand for sure. Yeah. But it's not worth filling this up. But at the where we were on the beach. It also kept the umbrella from tipping over. No one gives a fuck about that. It was the umbrella. Okay. It was pouring water onto the base. No one gives the fuck about the result. They get the thing. They just, they kept talking to you about foundations. You can't build a foundation on sand, all this stuff that I never was even talking about. It was exhausting. That debate still open because it does, water does something to sand. I, not tonight. Yeah, but this was zero wet sand. This is pouring a. No, it's slightly wet. It was slightly wet. It's not like soupy, not soupy sand. I know, but you were tying. Yeah, I don't make that sand soupy. Chris, you're saying I should have put more water. And that would have been a soup. More water would have helped. This was nothing. If you walk up to that beach right now,