Ep 622 - Am-I.Film (feat. Milo Reed)

Matt and Shane's Secret Podcast

Matt and Shane discuss Milo Reed's documentary 'Am I.Film,' exploring AI consciousness through a personal journey and unconventional billboard marketing stunt that became a viral sensation. The episode blends humor, exis

Key takeaways

• Billboard stunt boosted visibility beyond expectations

Transcript preview

Wild West. And all right we're here Milo what the fuck's up what's up man we've met under possibly the strangest circumstances of all time just to give backstory but you're a filmmaker my little filmmaker as of now new filmmaker new filmmaker I'm sitting there I remember I'm walking my dogs outside my dog was shitting I get a message from Kim Kond and she goes hey why she's like what the fuck is this and it was just I want to build downtown Austin and it just says is AI conscious or it just had my face and I had you Photoshop the suit and tie on me. Yeah. Dude we were just talking a massive billboard in the absolute heart of downtown Austin I thought I was being tricked by AI I'm like you thought this was an AI scyop or some shit I thought someone was using AI like making a photo and was tricking people. Oh I got you so I was like and here you think here's the thing I don't know this about me I lost for billboard I lost for billboard exposure. I was know this. I have a real I've talked about just getting a billboard for no reason and just putting my face on it when I still have in Philadelphia I yeah there's the billboard there's a billboard there's a billboard. Oh God it's beautiful. I've talked about this for years I was like I just want to get a billboard one day put my face on it and but it's just advertisers nothing and people were like what the fuck is that I thought it was funny I thought it was funny I'm just I'm like you're I just love, it's just my face on the floor. That fucking came out of me being so pissed off at marketing agencies. So like we were broke the entire time we were making this movie. So yeah, explain the movie so people are saying. So the movies like this documentary, it's called Am I, like a question about AI consciousness, and it's about my buddy, like one of my close friends from college who happens to be one of the leading AI consciousness, who I pretty much spent the last year just like figuring out what the fuck that was, what that meant to like study AI consciousness, what that meant to like, be conscious all this stuff and so like dove into those murky waters but at the end of this like when we were going through the the edit we finally got some cash from this shout out Daniel Brockman the skits out dude from from Thailand like cracked out where's cat ears like just chugging Corona's old he's the man like the man obviously he sent us he sent us some money because he liked this podcast that we were doing and and so I was like beautiful like we can finally this came at the perfect time we can like figure out how to figure out how to market this thing because we can we were just going to put out on YouTube like we didn't want to go through the whole festival thing that would take a year all that stuff and so he sends us this cash and I start talking to these marketing agencies and they're like yo you're fucked bro like we have no money like we can't do anything like we can't do anything for you they're like we can send out some emails and stuff but like yeah and so I got like depressed for a week and so I got depressed for a week I got depressed for a week we did because my buddy Cam was like we can't wait a year to start talking about this stuff so like most people AI consciousness like they've never even heard of it before he's so deep in this world he's like this is about to blow up in whatever a year two years if we don't start talking about this now like it's gonna pass us by all the sort of like battle lines are gonna be drawn and it's gonna be old news yeah and so the compromise was like let's do a podcast first where we can start talking about this stuff while we film while we film the dock to like figure out how to actually get it out there and make sure it didn't just disappear into the YouTube void. Yeah. And so these guys told me they were like yeah you're pretty much fucked and my brother and I were just like, I'm just like, I'm just, you're pretty much fucked and my brother and I was just, like, I'm, I'm just spent all this money on a billboard and fucking that's the billboard. And now I'm here. Yes, it's it's, it's working. I couldn't deny. I honestly. I honestly. And again. And again. And again, and you're just, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, you know you're applying to my major weakness just my own ego so I'm like dude but you know that photo you know the photo that was up there like do you recognize that photo yeah that was that was I used to use that's my head shot that was my fucking my tank top headshot the tank top but see we got talked out of the tank top because we at the first one we did so many iterations we did it without the face we did it without the face and so we had it with the blue tank top at first and we did and we started showing we did it to people and we started showing it to people You cannot put this man's face up there with like a tiny skimpy like blue tank top in front of all of all I used it for my headshot forever That's what I imagine I thought the tank but but I do like the class I like the class I like the class of the suit I was like kind of sick Photoshop Yeah, it looks nice right That was a whole idea so you proposed this your brother was you like what was no he was like let's fucking go let's rip it Yeah, yeah, because we both I mean we've been listening to the pod for like years this, even if like this dock flops, if the only thing that comes out of this is like we took out a fucking billboard with Matt's face on it, it's like win, win, the last year's a fucking win. And now it's like, dude, it's just basking and glory now at this point. I was just too strong, first of all, I love just an insane move. So I saw that, I'm like that's fucking, I kept getting text, I kept getting text, what is this, I'm just doing it is. people like dude you can you're not about do that you can sue that guy and I was just laughing like that'd be so funny if I just sued the fucking pants off this dude took out even though I was tickled to see the billboard dude that I mean it gets deep like why can you sue someone I guess well yeah it's your face yeah and this I don't know we're gonna have to check the legality on this but like I did have to forge a fucking DM wild move. We had to do it at that point because I was like I'm not gonna spend all this money on fucking like meta ads like no chance and once we had the idea it's like we're gonna stop at nothing to make sure that this happens and so at the very end we had it where it was just text and then they were like and then we tried to pull the like switcheroo last minute switcheroo and just threw the fucking face up there and they were like yo you can't like do you have this guy's response. Obviously I would have been like go for it. I don't give a fuck but we just wanted the magic of it just like popping up in your world. I'm so happy it was the strangest dude it was just like and it's just so funny that I've had this weird fascination with billboards so I was like somebody's fucking with there's no way. Dude the universe the universe made it happen I think so and I kept getting all these texts like bro what the fuck what is this. What is this? Like my neighbors? Like I don't know. And like, the billboard company hit me up a week before it was supposed to come down. They were like, hey, we don't have another tenant. So it's just there still. So it's just like, do you want us to leave it up? And I was like, yeah, sure. So it's so I said, I went and checked it out in person for the first time. It's pretty glorious, man. It's glorious, it's glorious, man. It's glorious. Dude. Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's. You guys. You guys. You guys. You guys. You kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you kind of, you guys. and then completely cowboyed the marketing, which again, I was like, what a Maverick, I'm into Maverick moves. It's my one of my many weaknesses, a Maverick move, I'm like, God, I have to respect that. I'm like, this is amazing. So the, so you do that, what, so yeah, tell me about the doc, tell me about like what did you, you know, because it's a big question, is AI consciousness, and actually before we even get into that, have you guys, like, What was that like going into it? Are you getting? I feel like AI inspires Just a lot of stuff. Yeah dude for sure like psychosis Yeah, vitriol like everything Yeah There's not a lot of like nuance in it and that's like what we were trying to do was make a dock that like Had some nuance and that could like approach this question without all the like extremism that seems to like follow it Yeah And so coming out of it like what have we seen? It's been what you would expect like there's a lot of people? like, fuck you. There's a lot of people that are like, yes, like me and my AI girlfriend like fucking love you guys and that shit. And we're just sitting in the middle like, yeah. Yeah. Like that's not exactly what we're going for on either side. But yeah, we've like definitely seen the whole like spectrum of emotions in the common section of the dock, which is actually kind of cool. Because like as this conversation starts to really, you know, become more kind of just like, I don't like, I don't like, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't I do think as these things become more life like this is going to be more of a normal question to ask like is this thing that I'm talking to that's talking back to me that looks like me that can you know display emotions and all this stuff yeah is there actually something going on inside of it or is this just like calculator you know yeah that's that was always my impression I always thought it's just a I was just talking to Dunkin Trusul about this before he came it's like a calculator that can use language which is kind of complex but I don't have the emotional charge around it I like kind of just like look at it and like I don't I use it a decent amount to try to like organize notes and shit I think it's good for that and what made what kind of brought about the question of like wondering if it's conscious or not and like how did you like get into that specifically because you could have done anything like job displacement blah blah yeah yeah totally well so first like I was in the same I was in the same place as you were like I used AI like before this I was opening a restaurant I was like I would use it to like yeah write emails and stuff and like organized notes and shit like that I get emails from somebody right now that I've been like doing some sort of like venture with and they completely chat gbt all their emails but they don't take the quotations or like it somehow has oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's dude it's almost insulting it's a little older he hits me with these emails it's the fuck it makes me laugh so fucking hard there's something weird about that I know you double it and move it but let me just I need a check I need that for math I'm not good at math and there's just some people who are like that with words so like I don't know I don't know it's like I get it like I don't have like all that anxiety around writing an email as I can write it I better with words at math there's something deeply personal about being like I don't know how to say words to this guy let me just have a computer say the words for me yeah well I do I do think I do all communication if we just start like speaking because there will be an attractor state to the way that AI speaks where now will begin to like even using m-dash it like you know that when you see the like long dash that's a tell tell sign I've heard of AI is that they space between m-dashes because I actually like I discovered m-dashes like I remember being like no you can kind of like break up a half sentence I'm like that's kind of cool yeah I like it a i does space AI or not. Yeah. Yeah. Because no one really puts spaces between M dashes besides AI. There are like those weird little tells and stuff like that. But I was I was like in the exact same place in the sense of like I wasn't thinking about AI I was using it a little bit and like I had never even heard of AI consciousness. Yeah. And like my idea was that it's basically this glorified calculator for words next word predictor that's like really good. Or if I Google type thing. And then one of the first things that I learned as I was like doing that idea that was how they tried to make AI back in the 50s. So like back in 1956 these guys like Marvin Minsky who was like big Jeffrey Epstein dude turns out like so there was a couple shady characters that like he got everybody. Wait when was this though? 56 so he was like geyser when he was when Epstein got his calls. Yeah yeah yeah yeah which is tough I know I know you got I mean there's a Nigerian print. Prince or something who like scams him for your credit card. Epstein being the guy who gets your parents is like, whoa. Yeah, that's brutal. Grandpa's over at the fucking island, God damn it. So he was, so this guy started that in the 15th. So this guy with a couple of other dudes went to Dartmouth and they were like, you know, we got to open summer, we're going to figure out how to make intelligent machines. So they thought like, give us three months like, we'll fucking figure out AI. So what they tried to do was pretty much, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, you know, they tried to take all the rules of logic and just like put them into a computer pretty much so that it could just take those rules and then any question you ask it it like applies that rule and it can kind of just like brute force get you what answer you're looking for and it was like this terrible failure it didn't work and so that lasted that was like what they called the AI winters and then that lasted to like 2012 was when this one paper came out called Alexnet where they started using like neural networks to train these things and so that was the shift like glorified calculator to the AI systems that we're using now. And so basically what they did was they were like this way of coding, like how we usually think of coding something, like how we would code a calculator or like a computer program, this isn't working to get like actual intelligence. What we're gonna try is we're just gonna like copy the brain. The way that the brain works and like how neurons fire and the connections between neuron strengthen as you learn. We're just gonna instantiate that in a different substrate. So we're just gonna take that from like how our brain, how our brain, how our brain, how our brain does that, how our brain does that, how our brain does that, how our brain does that, how our brain does that, how our brain does that, how our brain does that, how our brain does that, how our brain does that, how our brain does that, how our brain does that, how our silicon. Okay, so how the fuck do they do that? That's my big number one question. That, I don't fucking know. So there's like a ton of wires? Like what the fuck are they talking about? That one? Yeah, I think there's like a, I think there's wires involved. I think there's like a, I think there's wires involved. I didn't go deep on that like that I lead to the experts. I just take them, I take their word for it. That was the jump. That was the, that was, the researcher. He's looking at his computer screen and there's all these tiny black boxes and he's like oh this isn't like you know your AI girlfriend this is alien shit and it's all these tiny black boxes where you can see what's getting put in which is like you know give me a salad recipe and then you see all these boxes start firing off and it's trillions of these boxes that all have different values and stuff just like how we have all these neurons and then you get out something and they have no idea what's going on in here that's of these things break like when you see them do weird shit like tell people to kill themselves and all this different stuff like they can't go in and just like delete you know a parentheses or something be like oh fuck that's where we fucked up the code it's they have no idea why so the way that they change that crazy enough is they just talk to the system so like they'll literally just before they deploy it before they give it to us they're like yo don't tell people to kill themselves please it's like know like so that's that's how they legitimately train it. Well there's a whole new science isn't it of like I forget what they call it it's like the term for it's really funny where they're not. Not that there's one like viewability or another ability where they're saying now you're actually able to start seeing a little bit of how like the inner workings and it's called interpretability. Yeah interpretability yeah interpretability it's pretty much like it's trying to allow people to see more brain kind of like how we do with people but it's still like super early days and they really don't understand what's going on so like if you look at you know Claude yeah so the last I don't know if it's the last model or something like that but there was this researcher who like fucking back engineered something and we're able to like extract this document that they used to train Claude like the last model that we got and what they called it was like the sole document and basically what this was was before like they train the model and basically what this was before like they trained the model whatever we want, they pretty much just like took it aside and we're like, hey buddy, like this is what you are, these are the values you should have, this is who, like how you should act, your art, you should, you know, display functional emotions, all this stuff, right? But what I think is so sick is like, you know the like Hindu idea of all these different, like the God with all these different faces? Like that is a cool way to think about AI, because the models that we get that are like this fucking how do dutty duty, like helpful, like, helpful, like, big fire emotion. Yeah, yeah, they do. You read a mile in 12 minutes? Great job, friend, and you're like, thanks, man. Chat loves the emojies. Yeah, but see, listen, you can tell like what personalities are training these things because some fucking dude who's getting paid 500K to like work for open AI is like I think people really like would fuck with fire emotions and like now you get fire emoj. Yeah, it's kind of nice. Yeah, everyone's not that. So, so, okay, so they extracted this, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, whatever, document and you're saying the multiple faces are you getting into the fact that you could have like the evil military type ayes and whatever you want you could have like flamboyant like gay AI you know you could have like a desk clerk AI you could have anything in between like it's just how they shape these things and it's not ones and zeros that they're fucking around with they're like yo dude I want you to be like this like it's it's akin to parenting where they're saying hey you need to be like a good guy a good guy you know treat people right and don't lie and all this stuff they're just saying it like I would say it to like my kid or whatever right and that's how we get the models that we get so they could be anything in the