DK Metcalf’s Antarctica Conspiracy + Project Iceworm | Macrodosing - Sept 10, 2026

Macrodosing: Arian Foster and PFT Commenter

On this episode of Macrodosing, hosts Arian Foster, PFT, Big T, and guests dive into a mix of sports, conspiracy theories, and pop culture. The discussion kicks off with NFL and college football

Key takeaways

• DK Metcalf's Antarctica conspiracy theory is presented as an entertaining but unfounded narrative that the hosts treat with playful skepticism.
• Project Iceworm, a real Cold War-era U.S. military project to deploy nuclear missiles under Greenland's ice, serves as a backdrop for discussions on secret government operations and geopolitical paranoia.

Main topics

• NFL season preview
• College football matchups and rankings

Notable quotes

"Space doesn't exist." – Speaker 1, delivered with deadpan humor.

"I just like to see what happens. I like chaos." – Speaker 1 on LSU's legal actions in the SEC.

Conclusion

The episode wraps with the hosts celebrating football season, blending

Transcript preview

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Is their quarterback as good as he says that he is? Not as good as he Speaker 1 (2:57) says he is, but he is good. Speaker 8 (2:59) He looked pretty damn good last week. He's a good ball player. I think they might have themselves a ball player. Speaker 1 (3:04) I like Mississippi State. Pick them on Saturday. Speaker 8 (3:08) Okay. And before you do all that, go behind the scenes with one of college football's most talked about programs in the program, Texas Tech. It's already out September 4th on Paramount+. And then get ready for Noche UFC on September 12th. UFC is celebrating Mexican Independence Day and Mexican fighting culture live from Glendale, Arizona on Paramount+. And on September 12th, you've got a rivalry born on social media. It's finally getting settled in the ring. Ryan Garcia and Conor Benn facing off September 12th as Zufa Boxing takes over one of the biggest weekends on the boxing calendar live on Paramount+. That all culminates on Sunday with NFL on CBS. Game streaming live on Paramount+. Paramount Plus is the streaming home for another season of the NFL on CBS. On September 13th, Super Sports Week featured national matchup is the Green Bay Packers at the Minnesota Vikings. One massive week. The biggest sports all on Paramount+. Check it out today. Welcome back to Speaker 2 (4:07) Macrodosing. Today is Thursday. It is September. 10th and we're all back Speaker 8 (4:14) today myself arian big t mckinsey and mad dog is back good to have you back mad dog good Speaker 4 (4:21) to be back with my people is Speaker 1 (4:23) this the first show we've had everyone or tuesday was everyone here well Speaker 4 (4:27) tuesday was labor day everybody Speaker 2 (4:29) yeah we're spread out yeah Speaker 1 (4:31) yeah Speaker 4 (4:32) i was i was on the zoom yeah Speaker 6 (4:35) that's right lake house yeah yeah Speaker 2 (4:37) Rich life. Speaker 6 (4:38) Yeah, congrats. Speaker 4 (4:39) Michigan. Speaker 2 (4:39) Yeah, that's where all the wealthiest people in the world Speaker 5 (4:42) go. Speaker 1 (4:43) All right, Speaker 5 (4:44) straight up and down. I need y'all's. I did my fantasy football draft in my money league. Grade me. How Speaker 1 (4:51) many people are in this league? Speaker 5 (4:53) 12-man league. Okay. And what pick did you have? I had six. So it's shitty because it's like in the middle. I don't really like that. Yeah. I like being towards the front or towards the back because at least the picks go. It's just like you're always in limbo. I didn't like it. All right. Speaker 5 (5:10) At the quarterback, I got Justin Herbert. I was one pick away from getting Lamar. I was like, oh, he's going to fall to me. He did not fall to me, and that's fine. I feel like Justin Herbert's going to be solid. But he has a slate of games in the middle of the season that I don't know, though. He played like – I think he played – Yeah. Yeah, L.A. It's like seven games in a row that the Chargers have. They're going to Speaker 2 (5:34) be Speaker 5 (5:34) pretty tough. Yeah, it's like the best defenses in the league. Houston. It's crazy. All right, so I feel like that's okay there, but Patrick Mahomes fell to me late, late in the draft. I guess everybody just off him because of his ACL, but I think ACLs don't really matter to a quarterback, especially him. He was never really mobile like that, so I feel like that could be the steal of the draft. Real Speaker 1 (5:57) quick, real quick. This stretch from week four to week eight for the Chargers, at Seahawks, Broncos. At Chiefs, at Rams. That's tough. Oh, excuse me, excuse me. It's at Bills, at Seahawks, Broncos, at Chiefs, at Rams. Four out of five games on the road. That's tough. Speaker 3 (6:18) Also, great opportunity. It's me. Speaker 3 (6:22) I think I'm going to go with Patrick Mahomes during that stretch, but that's just me. Did they play Speaker 1 (6:28) their last five games at home? Who made that schedule? Anyway, continue. Speaker 5 (6:33) All right. Well, running back, that's probably the worst part of my draft because these two cats failed me. I just had to do it. But I got Kieran Williams, Kyron Williams. Speaker 6 (6:46) I Speaker 5 (6:46) just saw the pic. Travis Ateni? Speaker 8 (6:51) Achen. Speaker 6 (6:52) Achen. Speaker 8 (6:53) There you go. He was at Clemson, then he went to the Jaguars, and everybody thought that his name was Travis Aten. Speaker 2 (6:59) And then this last season, he let people know, hey, you've been screwing up my name this whole time. It's Achen. Speaker 5 (7:06) Achen. Speaker 2 (7:07) Achen, yeah. He's got that New Orleans background to him, so it's like, yeah, almost like French. Achen. Speaker 5 (7:12) No, fan of his game, I just don't know how to pronounce his name. But I feel like he was a steal too, the way he fared to me. So like a solid, solid running Speaker 8 (7:20) back pick. Can I tell you a fun fact about Travis A. Chen? Yeah, please. So his feet, he was born kind of duck-footed. His feet point out Speaker 2 (7:29) at these angles. When he walks, they're almost like 45 degrees out to the side. And so he can make cuts that are a little bit sharper because he's got that natural foot angle to him. Speaker 3 (7:40) that little wop. Speaker 2 (7:41) Yeah. That makes Speaker 3 (7:41) sense. Um, Speaker 5 (7:44) A Speaker 3 (7:44) little slew footed, I think they call it. Speaker 5 (7:46) Okay, so my first pick was JSN. He fell to me at six. I thought he was going to go before he fell to me. And then my second pick, he's just sitting there, Justin Jefferson. I had to take him, right? I had to. So I got JSN and Justin Jefferson. I feel like that. Best wide receiver group in the league. Speaker 1 (8:07) Quarterback situation, not ideal. Speaker 5 (8:09) It's not ideal, but we're going to be all right. And then I got, I have a love-hate relationship. I've had this man every year in fantasy the last five years. Speaker 5 (8:21) Kyle Pitts, I think he's just due. This is the year. Speaker 1 (8:24) This is the year. 2026. Speaker 3 (8:28) This got to be it, though. He's just too talented not to have a breakout year. So I'm hoping this is the year. Speaker 5 (8:35) I got Brandon Aubrey for kicker. And then I got the Eagles defense, but I'll be switching the defenses in and out. I don't really. That doesn't matter to me too much. And then the backups, not the best, but I do got a sleeper. Speaker 5 (8:51) What's the guy's name? Oh, I didn't get him? Oh, that's my other league. Never mind. But I think Buddy from – not on my team, but Buddy from Tennessee Tate. I think he's going to be all right. But, yeah, I mean, I don't have a lot of depth to keep it honest. Speaker 1 (9:07) I had to check this to make sure it was correct, and it is. Kyle Pitts has his first season he had one touchdown. His second he had two. Three in his third. Fourth in his – Four in his fourth, and last year he had five. So he's on pace for six touchdowns this year. And he did get back up to 928 yards last year. So he had a solid year. Speaker 5 (9:25) That's what I'm saying. I think they're going to go to him more. He's just too – like he's so talented. Like he should be better than what he is. And so I'm hoping this year – and it's his contract year, right? Speaker 1 (9:36) Should be, yeah. Speaker 5 (9:37) Should be, yeah. So, you know, looking up. Speaker 8 (9:40) I think it's a pretty good team so far. Speaker 5 (9:43) Yeah, I agree. I'm going to have to do a lot of work in a free agency to get some depth. And I think I have, like Justin Jefferson, I have to, Speaker 3 (9:53) you know, I got some leverage to trade if something goes down. When did you start playing fantasy? What Speaker 8 (10:00) was your first year? Speaker 5 (10:02) Shit, probably like... My first year was, I was in the league 2014. It was with the family, so I went for no money. That was the first time I played it and absolutely mopped the floor with them. I just knew the league in depth way more clearly than they did. And so, like, I knew, like, what defensive scheme would work against what. I just mopped Speaker 8 (10:25) them. Speaker 5 (10:25) Just mopped Speaker 8 (10:25) them. Speaker 5 (10:26) And then I didn't play again Speaker 8 (10:27) until maybe like three, four years ago. What percentage of the league do you think, at least when you were playing, played fantasy football? Speaker 5 (10:36) Way less than it is now. I think back then we kind of, there were some guys that embraced it, but for the most part we kind of detested it because it was like, yo, shut the fuck up about your fantasy. We don't care. And that was like when social media was first getting its feet wet. So it was like people constantly tweeting about you, fantasy, or on your Instagram posts. It was just annoying. Yeah, you probably hated that. But Speaker 2 (10:58) I Speaker 5 (10:58) think now it's a part of the game, so I think it's way more now. Speaker 2 (11:01) Yeah, that makes sense. But Speaker 8 (11:04) that sounds like a good team. Sounds like a very – for a 12-team league, I like it. I think Justin Jefferson is going to have a big season. I don't think it really matters that much who's Speaker 2 (11:13) playing quarterback. I mean, it does matter, but ultimately they're going to find a way to get him the ball one way or another. So, I mean, that's the difference between having like an all-time season and a standard good season for Jefferson. Speaker 5 (11:27) I Speaker 2 (11:27) agree. I agree. Also, I think Kyler Murray is going to have a good year. Really? I trust in the head coach. Speaker 8 (11:34) He starred? Yeah. I think that their head coach, it's interesting because he's been really, really good with quarterbacks that have, I think I likened it to a Speaker 2 (11:44) foster dog situation where he's really good at finding quarterbacks that have had troubled upbringings in the NFL. And then he gets them and then he trains them. Hey, here's how you go to the bathroom outside. Here's how we wait patiently for a dinner. Don't growl at your brother. Respect humans. And then they do pretty well in the house, and then they'll sign somewhere else and be very, very good for their forever home. Like Daniel Jones, Sam Darnold. Speaker 1 (12:12) It's an oddly apt analogy. But Speaker 2 (12:15) when they get a brand new puppy, Speaker 8 (12:17) maybe Speaker 2 (12:18) they're not Speaker 8 (12:19) the best at picking out a new puppy sometimes. Speaker 2 (12:21) Yeah, for sure not. They assume that they can train him like they've trained the others, but that's not always the case. The Purebreds, they got different... Speaker 1 (12:30) They Speaker 2 (12:31) have different wants and needs and mental backgrounds than the Fosters. And then now this year, going back to the Foster situation, Kyler Murray. It's interesting. Think about it. Some people are just Speaker 8 (12:45) built for that foster life. Some people are built for raising Speaker 2 (12:48) their own kid. More than others. Speaker 8 (12:50) Yeah. So I think this is all to say that Kyler Murray, I think he'll be good or at least better than he was in Arizona. Speaker 3 (12:57) I'm excited. And in the middle of that, I laughed. You have a shirt on that's just like it's a football shirt. It's an NFL shirt. I don't know that I've ever seen. NFL merch. Speaker 1 (13:09) This is a big day for the Shieldies. You have Speaker 2 (13:11) because you've seen me wear it. I buy almost every just straight up NFL league license gear. I do. I've got many NFL hats. I've got many NFL shirts. When I saw the Speaker 8 (13:22) NFL branded soccer jersey that they put out, you heard that right. It is a soccer style Speaker 2 (13:29) jersey, but it's just meant to promote the NFL. I had to jump on that. Is the Speaker 1 (13:36) Fanatics logo big enough, you think? Speaker 8 (13:37) No, I got to get rid of that. That's too big. But my logic was they're not going to be selling this stupid shit for longer than a couple weeks, so I got to buy it while I still can, while they still got in the store. You may Speaker 3 (13:47) have the only one. I do think that there's... How many people just buy an NFL? Like, I fuck with the NFL. I love this thing. Speaker 8 (13:55) I think most of it is probably handed out in gift bags to... NFL employees, like maybe around the holidays this year, they'll probably give us some. Speaker 1 (14:03) Those will be in a Burlington coat factory. Speaker 8 (14:05) Oh, yeah. Like, what do you think? $12.99? Speaker 1 (14:08) Could be. Speaker 8 (14:08) Yeah, $12.99 on the rack. Speaker 2 (14:10) I think that they do put out some merch knowing that PFT is probably going to be the only one that buys this. That Speaker 3 (14:17) feels like if I was just walking out of the show, like, oh, he really likes Roger Goodell. Like, he fucks with him. That's what it feels like. Hey, he makes a lot of money. Speaker 2 (14:24) Head Speaker 6 (14:24) honcho. Head Speaker 8 (14:25) honcho. Just got a contract extension. Speaker 6 (14:28) Yeah, what's Speaker 8 (14:29) he Speaker 6 (14:29) making, $40 a year? Something Speaker 8 (14:30) like that, yeah. Speaker 6 (14:31) No, Speaker 8 (14:32) it might be more now. I think it's more. Good for him. It was $40 when I was playing. I think it might be Speaker 6 (14:36) closer to $60 now. $60? Speaker 8 (14:38) Yep. Speaker 1 (14:39) Oh, yeah, $64 actually. Speaker 8 (14:41) Wow, Speaker 2 (14:42) that Speaker 1 (14:42) was layoff. Speaker 2 (14:43) He's doing pretty good for himself, old Raji. Yep. It is Thursday. It is September 10th, and we had football last night. We don't know who won because we're taping this on Wednesday. Speaker 1 (14:55) Seahawks, 27. 20. Speaker 2 (14:58) I think 20 to 13. Seahawks 20, Patriots 13. That's what I'm thinking. And then there's the Australia kickoff game, which is tonight on Thursday. The Rams and the 49ers. The Rams, as we're taping this, are currently in the air, flying to Australia. That's pretty crazy. Speaker 1 (15:22) But when we talk through it, I think it almost makes Speaker 6 (15:24) sense. I saw Speaker 2 (15:26) a picture of the plane. And the plane looks really nice. I'd imagine so. Very nice. We're talking, you know, lay flatbeds for everybody on that flight. I wonder if they're going to get up in the middle of the flight, do stretches. You'd have to. Any, like, light calisthenics. They probably, yeah, they probably will. But, yeah, that's going to be interesting. Speaker 1 (15:44) When I just went. uh to hawaii it was nine hours and that was about my absolute limit that i could just sit on a plane and i i don't know that i could do what's that 16 yeah i Speaker 8 (15:57) don't think many people can Speaker 8 (16:00) But I think McVay Speaker 2 (16:02) tried to do the opposite in a European game early on in his tenure as a head coach, and they lost. They might have gotten their ass kicked. And I think from that point on, he said, I'm not flying into any plays early. Speaker 1 (16:16) I forget what show I saw it on, but there was somebody saying that the 49ers are going to win the game, but they're going to be messed up for weeks, and the Rams are going to lose the game, and they're going to get back to L.A. and be fine. Speaker 8 (16:30) Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Speaker 8 (16:32) And they'll be fine for the next couple weeks. The 49ers are really trying to win this game. I think it might cost them Speaker 2 (16:40) on the back end when they come back. Yeah, that'd be interesting. They will have extended rest. But hearing Kyle Shanahan talk about what day it was, that was awesome. I didn't see that. He was talking about what day it is in football Speaker 1 (16:51) terms. Speaker 8 (16:52) What day is it in Australia currently compared to what day is it back in San Francisco compared to what day of the week is it in terms? of a Sunday game Speaker 2 (17:02) day. Speaker 1 (17:02) This is our Friday preparation, but it's Tuesday. Speaker 2 (17:05) Yeah, three different days going at the same time down there. So that sounds incredibly confusing. We got to quit with this, man. Speaker 8 (17:14) We do. When do you think, how far behind do you think college football is? They're already doing it. Well, they did Ireland. They did that, yeah. Speaker 1 (17:22) There was one that, there was supposed to be one in London this year. I think it was Kansas, Arizona State. And then they ended up, I think they, cancelled that correct me if i'm wrong um and then there was another one that was somewhere they're already doing it do you think Speaker 8 (17:38) they're going to go to australia though I Speaker 1 (17:41) don't do anything that can make money. The thing that, as a, you're more of a shielding, I'm more of a college guy. The NFL can be played anywhere. For the most part, the atmospheres in the NFL are more or less the same. You kind of know what you're going to get at virtually any NFL stadium. There are a couple exceptions to that. College football. The atmosphere is what makes the entire sport. You can't play college football in Brazil. It doesn't work. It's not the same thing. Speaker 3 (18:14) Are you tailgating this weekend, Big T? Oh, Speaker 1 (18:16) yeah. Speaker 3 (18:18) You wasn't going to give me a hand? Speaker 1 (18:20) 15 minutes ago, I was telling you what we're doing Saturday. I said, well, we'll be somewhere. We'll meet up. Speaker 3 (18:27) That's not a tailgate invite. Does that sound like a tailgate invite to you, PFT? Just be honest, man. It doesn't sound like an invite to Speaker 1 (18:33) me. Speaker 3 (18:33) Are Speaker 1 (18:33) you Speaker 3 (18:33) kidding Speaker 1 (18:33) me? Are you kidding? Tell them what a great time you're going to have. I invited you to something fun on Friday night. I said we'll meet up on Saturday. Speaker 5 (18:41) You definitely invited me on Friday. I just heard nothing on Saturday. You Speaker 1 (18:46) weren't listening. You weren't listening. I don't Speaker 3 (18:47) feel – I just didn't feel – I don't feel wanted. I didn't feel wanted. I Speaker 1 (18:51) don't Speaker 3 (18:51) even Speaker 1 (18:52) know exactly what I'm doing Saturday yet, and yet I invited you. Speaker 5 (18:57) Well, that's love, but I didn't feel that. All right, Speaker 3 (19:00) I could be wrong. Speaker 1 (19:01) I'll let you know where we're at Saturday. Speaker 3 (19:02) Doesn't happen much, but I've been wrong before. Speaker 1 (19:05) You weren't listening. What about Friday? Does it not track that given we're going to hang out Friday that I would then invite you Saturday too? Speaker 3 (19:14) No. Like Friday, I'm hanging out. I hang out with you Friday, but Saturday's for the balls. That's what it sounds like. Speaker 1 (19:20) And who better to be with than former number 27, you know? Speaker 3 (19:26) I agree. I'll introduce you to Jamal Lewis. You ever met Speaker 1 (19:30) him? I have not. Speaker 3 (19:32) I think you're going to be there too. Speaker 1 (19:33) I would love that. I'll see you Saturday. Speaker 3 (19:38) I can't wear Vol gear, though, because I'm going to be on the Georgia Tech sideline. Speaker 1 (19:41) What if ESPN catches that? They're like, why is Arian Foster on the Georgia Tech sideline? I guess they don't give Speaker 5 (19:48) a fuck about nothing but former quarterbacks. I Speaker 1 (19:50) guess now with DeAndre Hopkins on that staff, they might put that together. Speaker 3 (19:55) Oh, yeah. I forgot how I'm going to be there, too. Yeah, it's going to be cold, man. Yeah. It's going to be fun. Fun times. I can't go too hard on Friday. Can't do it. Speaker 1 (20:05) Yeah. It's a long weekend. Speaker 5 (20:07) Long Speaker 1 (20:07) weekend. I'll Speaker 5 (20:08) see Speaker 1 (20:08) you there. We'll hang out Saturday. I look forward to it. Speaker 5 (20:11) I look forward to it, too. All right. Speaker 1 (20:13) I'll see you there. Speaker 5 (20:14) You know what I meant? I was playing golf yesterday, and it was like 6.30. Speaker 5 (20:21) And I got that whiff, man, that fall whiff. And the grass smelt like fall. You know what I'm talking about? And I got this strong urge for a big ass turkey leg. Speaker 8 (20:32) Yeah. Yeah, Speaker 5 (20:34) man. Speaker 8 (20:34) So I know what that means in Chicago, but what is the what is the fall whiff feel like in Houston? Speaker 8 (20:41) Probably like Speaker 5 (20:42) 85. Yeah. But I'm talking about the grass and the feeling. Like, you know, the sunsets. The sunsets and fall are fire, dog. And oh, I got this picture of my daughter. And I know this is some super dad shit, but this is objectively like an amazing fall background picture. I just want y'all to look at this and say, nah, you right, dog. This is insane. Speaker 5 (21:08) But it just feels like fall now. I sent it to the group chat. Speaker 1 (21:11) By the way, Kansas-Arizona State is still in London next week. Speaker 7 (21:15) That's so cute. Speaker 1 (21:18) It's a good pick. Let's take a look here. It's a great sunset. Speaker 6 (21:22) Yeah, Speaker 8 (21:22) good pick. Speaker 3 (21:24) I love how he's skeptical in the embassy about this shit. Good pick. The sunset, the fall, you know what I'm saying? Turkey legs. Speaker 5 (21:32) It's smelling like football out this bitch. Speaker 2 (21:36) It is. It's here. I'm so excited. It did feel different this morning waking up. A little bounce in my step. I just can't believe we made it back. Felt like a very, very long offseason. And I'm so pumped. So pumped. Speaker 1 (21:49) What do you think about the Wednesday game? You like that? Speaker 2 (21:52) No. Speaker 8 (21:52) Hate it. I Speaker 1 (21:54) hate Speaker 8 (21:54) Wednesday. Speaker 1 (21:54) I kind of hate it. And given that I just found out about it a week ago, but I, it does. I mean, it's one more, one more day with the game. Well, Speaker 8 (22:02) that, that is true. I don't want Wednesday every week. I hate it. In theory. I'm glad that it's today. If that makes sense. Right. Like, I don't want to wait another day for you. You Speaker 1 (22:10) hate it until it gets here. I Speaker 8 (22:11) hate it until it gets Speaker 2 (22:12) here, but I like that it's today. But the only reason that it's today is because we've got the Rams and the Niners in Australia on Thursday. Right. So that part of it. So we're going to have a Speaker 5 (22:22) game Thursday, have a game Wednesday, and then have a game. College game is Friday. College game is Saturday. Big slate coming up for football, guys. Huge. The biggest. And Speaker 8 (22:35) I can't wait. Any college games to look out for this weekend? Yeah. The big one. Ohio State, Texas. Speaker 1 (22:46) Yeah, that is, I want to say 630. That's Speaker 6 (22:49) at Speaker 1 (22:49) night. We'll be at a different game. It's cool. Oklahoma-Michigan's at noon. It's a good one. Well, it might not be. It Speaker 2 (22:58) might not be, yeah. Speaker 1 (22:59) Michigan. Speaker 3 (23:00) Do you see the end of that game? I did. Me and Big T was talking about it in a group chat. Speaker 1 (23:06) I Speaker 5 (23:07) think they got Speaker 1 (23:07) it right, dog. Here's the thing, and this is a week old at this point now by the time we've gotten to talk about it, but I do believe the Big Ten in the footage they showed where there is a secret clock that showed half a second left. However, it's a secret clock. It's not the clock that's in the stadium. That's crazy. But if it's the secret clock that five people are telling me we swear it exists or the clock that 10 million people were looking at. and it's a tenth, two-tenths of a second, then you don't get to use the secret clock. I'm sorry. Throw it out. Speaker 5 (23:43) My whole thing about football is, and the reason why I like it, is because I don't think we need tenths Speaker 1 (23:49) of Speaker 5 (23:49) a second in football. Clearly we do. No, because it's so rare that this situation happens where it goes down to tenths of a second. I like the human aspect of it. It's like for baseball, for instance, and you may like this. But as a longtime Brewers fan, I don't really like going to video to see if it's a ball of strike. We got the ump here. This is America's pastime, dog. This is how we do things. I don't need electronics, but we got enough electronics. Oh, I do like it. See, that's just me as a Brewers fan. I was like, no, bro, we got an ump. We get a bad ump, we get a bad ump. That's how I feel. Now, basketball is different. I believe basketball tends to be neat that shit because it happens a lot. Every game almost damn near comes down to it. But football, rare are we talking about tenths of a second. Now, the reason why I think they got it right is because whenever that play is spiked, it's at nine. I think you have nine seconds, right? Not eight seconds and three-tenths of a second. And so because we've always had that human element of football, clock starts at nine right there. And because of that, they did have one second left. Like, I think they got it right. I think it is. Now, I'm not a poet. If you want to put tense, I'm not going to raise it. It is what it is. But I do like the human aspect of it. I like, I don't, I've never been a real big fan of the bring it back to video calls. If you get a bad call, you get a bad call. That's part of sports to me. I don't know. Do Speaker 1 (25:10) you think if Western Michigan was the one that was throwing the Hail Mary, there would have been an extra second put on? Speaker 5 (25:17) That I can't see. Speaker 8 (25:19) That's where I disagree with what you're saying, Eric, because you're right. By what they had Speaker 2 (25:27) and the replay officials had, they made a pretty good case that there should be one second left on the clock based on their angles they had and their clock that they were going off of, although they didn't actually show the ball make contact. Speaker 8 (25:40) That's the Speaker 1 (25:40) other thing that nobody's talked about. I know he catches it. Yeah. But you can't actually prove it. Yeah, you don't see it. And the standard is indisputable video evidence. And yes, I know he caught it, but you don't see it. Wait, you're talking about the game when it's actually on? No, the play where they put the second back on. Speaker 5 (26:03) Oh, you haven't seen that angle? No, I did, but the angle that Speaker 1 (26:06) they used when they put the video out that showed there was a second left was from behind, and you don't actually see where he touches the ball. Again, I know where he touches it. It shows Speaker 5 (26:16) that he touches it because he stepped out of bounds. I know. Speaker 1 (26:19) I'm saying the angle they showed is from behind if you go look at that video, and so you don't actually see him touch it. You see that he does catch it at some point. No, Speaker 5 (26:31) no, you see him touch it. And their argument is that once you spike the ball and there's nine seconds left, that clock starts at 0-0, right? Or let's say it starts at 9 and rewinds down. It doesn't start at 8.3. So their argument is from that nine seconds, he touches that right before the one second rolls off, which is not. I know that. The Speaker 1 (26:55) game Speaker 5 (26:55) clock from the TV. Oh, so what am I talking about there? Speaker 1 (26:57) I'm just saying the angle of the video that they showed that the Big Tim was looking at is from the back of the end zone. And so when the Western Michigan guy touches the ball, you don't actually see the moment that his hands touch it. Speaker 8 (27:12) You don't see skin on ball. Correct. You see the ball come in. You see that and Speaker 1 (27:16) he Speaker 8 (27:16) catches it. And Speaker 1 (27:17) you Speaker 2 (27:17) know that he probably does touch it at that point. I think you'd probably be dumb to argue that he doesn't. But you can't see it. And the rule is indisputable Speaker 8 (27:27) visual evidence to overturn. Also, I think the big thing is, since it was a Big Ten replay officiating crew. Speaker 2 (27:35) I don't think there's a chance in hell that they would have gone through the footage with a fine-tooth comb to Speaker 6 (27:40) give Speaker 2 (27:41) Western Michigan one more down to find a reason to put one second back on the clock. I think that much is clear. Speaker 6 (27:47) Did you know there was a secret clock? Speaker 8 (27:49) I was not aware of secret clock situation, and the MAC appealed it formally yesterday. They said that there is... A violation of protocol. Not like a rule book, but for the replay protocol, it's exactly what you said, that you don't go with the secret clock. You go with the TV clock. Speaker 1 (28:09) Not even the TV, just the clock in the stadium. That the coaches, players, officials... Arian, you played football for a long time. Did you know there's a secret clock? Speaker 5 (28:18) Did not know that. Speaker 1 (28:19) At their freaking headquarters attached to a Fogo Dejo in Rosemont. Command Speaker 8 (28:24) Center, yeah. Fogo Speaker 1 (28:25) Dejo. Speaker 8 (28:26) Fogo Dejo. Speaker 5 (28:28) Yeah, I honestly see both arguments. I do understand what you're talking about where I think that Central Michigan won the game. But I also see the other argument is, okay, it's all contingent on how do we define, like, how are we defining, like, the nine-second runoff? It's basically it. But I see both sides. I mean, they don't really have a good ruling on it, which is why this is so controversial. But all that to say, you can't give that goddamn play up. You can't give up a Hail Mary. You can't do it. Speaker 1 (28:58) Well, they didn't the first time. Speaker 1 (29:01) Can't do it again. You can only defend it so many times. Speaker 5 (29:04) Say there was 10 seconds left and he got two shots at it. Can't get that shit up. If I'm the coach of Central Michigan, that's what I'm saying. It's like, yeah, did the rules fuck us? Probably. Did we not do our job? Absolutely. That's how you did it. It is what it is. Speaker 8 (29:18) Yeah. I mean, I saw that. Was it? Was it Sagarin that decided that he's Speaker 1 (29:26) going Speaker 8 (29:26) to count that as a loss for Michigan, win for Western Michigan? And Speaker 1 (29:29) by the way, here's something I love about college football. All the decision makers that matter can just decide they lost. You can just treat it as a loss. The college football playoff can just say, yeah, we think they lost. Make Speaker 8 (29:40) up whatever you want. Deal with it. What do you think about, so there's some legal news. I feel like, Speaker 2 (29:45) yeah, Ross Dellinger, he's just living in courtrooms and hotel lobbies, meeting with lawyers. The SEC has a vote coming up on Thursday whether or not to expel LSU from the conference. I Speaker 1 (29:59) love this. Speaker 2 (30:00) I don't think there's a chance in hell they do it. Speaker 1 (30:03) I tend to agree with you. I think the schools are mad enough to do it. I think the league office will ask them