The Real Report - Fat Joe on beefing with 50 Cent & Jay-Z, Terror Squad TS sneaker release, Big Pun’s legacy, & Organized Rhyme

Joe and Jada

Fat Joe joins Uncle Murda on The Real Report to reflect on his legendary career and his roots in the Bronx. He recounts his transition from

Key takeaways

• Fat Joe credits Diamond D with convincing him to focus on music rather than street life.
• He discusses the impact of his second album, Jealous One's Envy, following the success of Represent.

Main topics

• Bronx street history
• Hip-hop production legends

Notable quotes

I never dealt with like jealousy. I always dealt with inspiration.

Conclusion

A nostalgic and gritty look at the intersection of Bronx street cultur

Transcript preview

Speaker 4 (0:00) This is an iHeart Podcast. Guaranteed human. Hi, this is Kylie Brakeman. Angela Geratana. Jeremy Colhane. Patrick McDonald. And we're the hosts of the Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists podcast. The improvised character comedy podcast where each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft. Join us for a panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes. Does the Pope dress up? He winks on Halloween. He gets right up next to the microphone. I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other. You've never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to Artists on Artists on Artists on Artists every Thursday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 7 (0:45) Hey, I'm Mike Yam. And I'm Trevor Sykema. And together, we host the NFL Fantasy Football Show. Are Speaker 4 (0:51) you ready to dominate your fantasy league this season? 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The Speaker 6 (1:45) new NFL season is here and you should be listening to NFL Daily as we march along to Super Bowl 61. It is in the name NFL Daily. You'll have fresh content in your feed every day, all season long. That game winning drive. Maybe it's Herbert. Maybe it's Gino. Maybe it's Mahomes. We'll have the highlights. If Fernando Mendoza or any of the rookies are balling out, we'll break down the tape. Join me, Greg Rosenthal, and an all-star cast of co-hosts as we preview and recap every game. Listen to NFL Daily. on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you Speaker 7 (2:17) get your podcasts. I'm Brett Coleman. And I'm Trevor Sykema. If you love football and want to understand what's really happening on the field, check out our show, NFL Pro. Every week, we break down the biggest plays, trends, and matchups using exclusive next-gen stats insights and NFL content you will not find anywhere else. Whether you're new to football, a fantasy football fanatic, or a diehard fan, NFL Pro will help you analyze the game like a pro. Listen to NFL Pro on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 4 (2:50) Hi, I'm Michael Imperioli. I want to tell you about my new podcast, Underground Zero. Speaker 5 (2:55) We're looking at the opportunity of a lifetime Speaker 2 (2:57) for us and the other families. Speaker 4 (2:59) It's about the aftermath of the 9-11 attacks. What's Speaker 3 (3:02) in the tunnels? Gold bars, silver ingots. It could be worth half a billion. Speaker 4 (3:06) Starring Speaker 3 (3:07) Steve Schirrippa, Ray Abruzzo, and me, Michael Imperioli. How far are you prepared to go? Depends how far you are. Speaker 4 (3:14) Listen to Underground Zero on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Whether you're a seasoned NFL fan or new to the game, there's one place to keep up with all of it. The league's newest podcast, the NFL Report, hosted by me, Andrew Siciliano. It is your home for everything football, Speaker 7 (3:32) breaking news, expert analysis, game picks, and hear from your favorite players too. Join me and an all-star cast of experts for everything you need to know from around the league. Get new episodes of the NFL Report Monday through Friday, all season long. Listen to the NFL Report podcast. on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 1 (3:52) Murder. I'm going to tell you something that's so disrespectful. Y'all, I'm sorry, guys. Y'all want me to stop? Nah, go. Go. I ran my neighborhood so much that Speaker 3 (4:02) I would sleep at night with my windows open in the car and put my chains over the window when they used to rob me. Benzibot. Yo. Speaker 1 (4:15) Yeah, I kill. Yo, yo, yo. When the crackheads would rob you, break your car for a Benz. Remember when you had the red stick? They had to say it Speaker 2 (4:24) up the front of the car. You're not listening to me. Speaker 1 (4:26) You had the red stick. They would Speaker 3 (4:30) rob you for your Benz. I used to throw my jewelry some nights over my weird view and go upstairs and sleep, come out tomorrow, my all lit. Speaker 2 (4:42) Windows down. Speaker 1 (4:43) Yo, Speaker 2 (4:44) I kill. Yo, I can't f*** with this. He didn't get stabbed. Bro, shut the f*** up. Bro, what's the point of getting movies with? Oh! Speaker 5 (4:54) Bro, Speaker 2 (4:55) what? Speaker 2 (5:07) It's the Real Report. It's your boy, Uncle Murder, a.k.a. Lil Jet Lennie. Yeah, and Speaker 5 (5:11) it's the Talk of New York, and we have the living legend in here from the BX. Make some noise for Fat Joe. Yeah. Whoa. Whoa. You know the Speaker 2 (5:19) vibes. Yeah. Yeah, that's hot. That feels good. You know how that feel, right? You know what I mean? That feel good. What's up, y'all? And to everybody Speaker 5 (5:26) out there in the hip-hop land, you got to respect Fat Joe. Yes, we had beef with him. It was serious to me. A bunch of Spanish. With Knobz running around the city like Pistol Peak. It was crazy. Rest in peace to my man DJ Ruff Hands. He used to DJ on 160 in Queens, right on the block. We used to hustle. Whenever it's hot, he had the DJ equipment. That's what was introduced. That was my biggest introduction to music as far as going to Hot Wax on Jamaica Avenue. And he's getting every record. There's no CDJs, there's no nothing. It's just the two 1200s. And I remember the first album ever bought, like one of the first albums was Jealous One's Envy. Because I remember the beat was so hard. It was so hard that like all the DJs would cut it up because I was in every party in Queens. You know what I'm saying? Any party. Rob Markman Love hip hop. You was everywhere. Yeah, that's how hip hop was really well, you know, as a kid watching Video Music Box, of course. You know what I'm saying? And I always respect dudes like you and LL because we talking about three different eras of longevity, of success, of hit records, the 80s, the 90s, and now. So talk about Jealous One's Envy for people that don't know. That's a classic album. And I want to know, who produced Speaker 3 (6:44) Let It Flow, Joe? You doing both. So Diamond D put me on Digging in the Crates. Shout out to Diamond D. Speaker 1 (6:51) He Speaker 3 (6:51) made the beat. to Flo-Jo, we made it in his kitchen. Speaker 4 (6:55) He Speaker 3 (6:55) was like, yo, I'm gonna play this for you. Kaboom, kaboom, kaboom. I was there when he put the drums on that shit. I was like, oh my God. Diamond D talked me out of... Being in the streets. He grabbed me one day and said, Joe, man, you like the rap, man. I'll pay for the beats, but out here, y'all doing too much. You're going to die. You're going to go to jail. Put it down in the music. I never forget the light pole in between my building and his building where he convinced me to make a demo. You know what I'm saying? So Diamond, you know, he pretty much did my whole first album, Digging in the Crates, Lord Finesse, Big L, O.C., Buckwild, AG, Jesus Christ. Showbiz Speaker 5 (7:44) and Speaker 3 (7:44) AG, Speaker 5 (7:45) shout to them too. Showbiz and Speaker 3 (7:46) AG, like, you know, that was home team. And they were the first to inspire me to let me know I could rap. Because Finesse, he used to tell me all the time, yo, Joe, I'm going to be a rapper. I'd be like, I'm out here selling drugs. And one day I listened to Red Alert. That motherfucker played three finesse joints back to back. I was like, and it changed my life. So me, I never dealt with like jealousy. I always dealt with inspiration. So I looked at his inspiration. I said, if he could do it, I could do it. Right. Because I already knew, you know, I'm going to do whatever it take to do it. It was guys a hundred times nicer than me in my project. And they got mad at me when I got on. But they wanted like me. You know what I'm saying? They didn't want to go down to where it was at. I went, you know. Speaker 3 (8:39) Nowadays, they really saying, watch what you say, but this is over 37 years ago. We sold real drugs, not regular drugs. Real drugs. Big time. We own 47 cars at one Speaker 1 (8:55) time. Benz's, Beamer's, Pathfinder's, this, this. Nobody, any old school nigga you know from the Bronx or Harlem, they not going to lie to you. They're going to tell you, yo. The nigga was coming down in a white McLaren, all white out, in your fat Joe, no shirt on, jewels on. They popped so many bots, so we really did this shit. And then, so I already knew, when I told niggas, I was embarrassed at first. I told niggas, Speaker 3 (9:25) yo, I'm going to Apollo Theater, I want to rap. I'm telling Kingpin niggas, I don't talk. I'm dealing with kingpins. They all respect me as a Speaker 2 (9:34) - Speaker 3 (9:34) And they looking at Speaker 2 (9:34) you like, get the fuck out of here with that rap shit. Man, all them niggas Speaker 3 (9:36) wound up doing 30 years, man. They all came home. It was like, yo, Joe, we sorry. We didn't know you were serious about it, this and this and that. I was like, yo, man, they all laughed in my face. But guess what? I came out of an Apollo theater. And I stepped, I tried to think about it. Like, how did I win? You scared? Speaker 5 (9:55) No, I'm just saying, first time in the Apollo Theater. Yo. Speaker 1 (9:59) So Apollo is one of them shows like. I won the Apollo four nights in a row. Oh. Four weeks in a row. I came in first place. The whole place just went crazy. They couldn't even understand one of my raps. They was just going nuts. Right. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, and that's how I met Red Alert. And that's how I got on and started playing my promo. Speaker 3 (10:21) And then I got to deal with Chris Lighty. Chris Lighty comes to my spot. Chris Lighty. But what year was Jealous One's Envy? Was it 19? Jealous One's Envy was after, that's the second album. The first album where Flojo was on was Represent. That was in 92. Speaker 3 (10:36) And then Jealous One's Envy is my second album. Wow. And that album, I had to Speaker 1 (10:42) step it up because I'm over there doing Flo-Jo, bust it, check it, watch how I wreck it. And them motherfucking Illmatic boys realizing the realism of life. And I thought it was over. I was ready to throw the towel in. I said, oh my God. As much as I love this, my favorite album of all time, well, one of them. Speaker 1 (11:06) When I heard that, I was scared to death. I had to lock myself in the dungeon and study and just step my lyrics up and all that. That shit wasn't easy, man. Summertime when everybody was outside, I was in the fucking Speaker 3 (11:20) crib listening, writing this, this, and then Jealous One's Envy is when I stepped my shit up. I seen Biggie, Rest in Peace, maybe like two, three days after that shit came out. And I seen him and he had a hundred people around. It was like, yo, crack. I was like. I walked over there, he said, what we been pumping? He told Little Kim and Caesar. They was like, yo, your new album. He was like, that shit is crazy. You stepped your shit up. Speaker 5 (11:43) See, this is why I love this show. Speaker 1 (11:45) Notorious B Speaker 5 (11:45) .I.G., yes. That's what I'm Speaker 1 (11:47) saying. He said, you stepped your shit up. We've been playing your shit all day. That was the album, Jealous Speaker 5 (11:52) One's Enemy. Speaker 3 (11:55) It's my favorite album ever. But Speaker 5 (11:56) Flojo, I ain't gonna lie, I'm trying to remember the album was represent because I remember that one though. Like that's the one they was cutting up because Diamond D had a hard beat. So DJs was just cutting that shit up all day. Like I said, my man got... Yeah, Speaker 1 (12:11) Flojo went number one in the country, my first single. Went number one in the country, Billboard rap singles. Went number one off-rep. You feel like that Speaker 5 (12:19) was one of the best eras of hip-hop, I think. When the DJs still had to bring crates. The only reason why it wasn't the best era of hip Speaker 3 (12:26) -hop is because I was getting $500 Speaker 1 (12:28) a show. Right now, you be a reggae tone nigga, and you drop one song, it's $300,000 a show. It was abuse. Speaker 1 (12:39) I was doing three shows a day trying to get 1,500 with Flo. Speaker 5 (12:44) Oh, okay. I Speaker 1 (12:45) did from Boston to Speaker 3 (12:47) North Carolina. But, I mean, like, they had a thing in Queens. They had a thing in Queens. It was a van winter. It was called Fantastic to where the back lays down. You could sleep. All the artists, before we had money for tour bus. We didn't have money for no tour bus. So people would rent the Van-tastic and drive to Virginia, fucking D.C. Shout out to P. Stew and all them. They took care of me. D.C., the Cuban cigar. I mean, that whole Speaker 1 (13:17) East Coast right there. And that's also a regional. Problem for a lot of New Speaker 3 (13:24) York rappers and East Coast rappers, because a lot of them don't get past that North Carolina, from Boston to North Carolina. So when you put out a record that's playing in Arizona, some shit like that, you feel like, Speaker 2 (13:36) oh, shit. I've seen you performing in Romania, so you ain't got that problem. 100,000 or some shit. Yeah, you ain't got that problem. You good on that note. I'm good everywhere. Yeah, you good on Speaker 1 (13:44) that note. Speaker 2 (13:44) I'm good in Speaker 1 (13:45) Africa, Jamaica, wherever you name. I'm good. We already know that. Rob Markman, Or you know, we bumped into y'all. I bumped into y'all. Where the fuck we was at? Yugoslavia or something? Rob Speaker 2 (13:57) Markman, Germany Speaker 1 (13:57) or something. Rob Markman, We was in Germany. We had breakfast. Speaker 5 (13:59) Rob Speaker 1 (13:59) Markman, Speaker 2 (14:00) And that's how this whole podcast shit actually came Speaker 1 (14:03) together. Rob Markman, Speaker 2 (14:03) The thing about you, Joe, is Speaker 5 (14:04) like, I always want to know what's your process in the studio? Because you work with some of the best producers in the world. Kool and Dre, which is the new album. Rob Speaker 1 (14:11) Markman, Yes, Kool Speaker 5 (14:11) and Dre. Rob Speaker 1 (14:11) Markman, Speaker 5 (14:11) And Scott and Storch. And you've been around Dr. Dre. And you're like... You're a legend in the game where everybody respects you from Slick Rick to Big Daddy Kane to 50 to everybody. What is your process? How did you navigate in the game? And you know you're Spanish. Your dad is Cuban and black. I believe your mom's Puerto Rican. But he was the first Spanish guy in the game, coming in the game to make his name. And New York City is kind of big too. Because there is no other Spanish rapper, is there? I just think it's the way you Speaker 3 (14:41) look at it. It was other Spanish rappers. It was just, man, there was Spanish rappers since the beginning of hip hop. It was Ruby Dee. It was Tito from the Fearless Four. Whippy Whip. And then later on, in my era, the first Spanish dude to get it popping was Curious George. And then the Beatnuts out of Queens. They were out just before me. I remember the Beatnuts. John Wayne couldn't even feel the rain or the tech. I was in that video. And so they actually, the Beatnuts, mixed my first album because I ran out of money. Speaker 5 (15:20) Shout out to the Beatnuts. They legends, too. Speaker 3 (15:21) When I got money, and of course, Cypher Cell. They Dominican. Speaker 5 (15:25) Oh, they Speaker 3 (15:25) Dominican. Dominican and Colombian. Psycho Less is Colombian. Speaker 3 (15:30) I ran out of money because my mom's had core cancer and she was fighting cancer. And so I had to pay for like a registered nurse. And them times, Speaker 1 (15:39) it was like $2,000 a night. $2,000 a night in them times was a big... So I ran out of money. Speaker 3 (15:50) And the beat nuts came and mixed my old album. I owe them everything. Every time I see them, I keep saying, yo, whatever y'all want. Shout out to the beat nuts, man. That's real. My brother Juju. Juju also a super real nigga. Like, real. You know, I just told you, it's hard to find real guys in hip hop. Right. Like, real niggas. Like, one time I was about to get fucked up Speaker 1 (16:10) by 300 niggas, and Juju said, excuse me, excuse me, excuse me. and jumped in with me. Now it's four of us, me, Big Pun, Juju, and the other guy. I said, oh my God, why did you come here? I don't even want you to. We can't win. We ain't got Speaker 3 (16:26) no wins. Speaker 2 (16:27) There's no wins. Speaker 3 (16:28) That's why I always loved you. Because I seen you stand by your people no matter what. And I said, man, this nigga's a love. Because T.S. I mean, you never forget to turn the lights on. T.S. is always, our brand is loyalty. Even when my niggas is wrong. You know how many times Pistol Pete was wrong? You know how Speaker 1 (16:47) many times Khaled was wrong? You know how many times Remy is wrong? Speaker 2 (16:50) And Speaker 1 (16:51) I got to stand on that shit. Just like you. I could be the boss, but I'm still the nigga got to stand. I'm like, damn. They said what? Damn. I guess. I guess they're right. Whatever it is, we don't give a fuck. We standing on this shit. You guys are like, you know, so that's the brand of Terror Speaker 3 (17:15) Squad. We loyal to each other. We're going to stand there for each other. And that's what it's about. So, you know, I respect guys like that at that time, you know, who step up when you had a great disadvantage. You know, you're about to get your ass whooped. and they jump in like, yo, fuck that. We getting our ass whipped together. Those are rare ones. Speaker 2 (17:35) You ain't lying. You ain't Speaker 3 (17:36) lying. You Speaker 2 (17:36) got to keep them next to you. Because it's easy for a nigga to just back up. Joe, what's the thought process in this? I seen a lot of them back up. Oh, Speaker 1 (17:42) you better Speaker 2 (17:42) believe it. You better believe it. That same Speaker 1 (17:43) day that Juju walked in, I don't want to tell you, all of our favorite rappers, tough guys, gangster rappers, they was out there, nigga. They Speaker 2 (17:52) act like Speaker 1 (17:52) they ain't see nothing. They was like, Speaker 2 (17:53) walking away Speaker 1 (17:54) like, no, no. The greatest, I want you to think of the greatest gangster rappers in New York's history. Besides y'all, y'all wasn't out yet. All of them was out there. And they all was like, Speaker 3 (18:07) I'm over here arguing with the whole entire West Coast. It's around the East Coast, West Coast. I'm in the middle of the street. What's up? What we doing? And Juju jumped in. But the rest of the hip hop? Oh, man. They was going to let me get torched Speaker 1 (18:22) out there. Speaker 1 (18:25) And I told them, I turned around and looked at all of them. I said, yo, New York, what's up? Let's go. Because they had us. There was probably like 300 of them. But. Speaker 1 (18:37) We the four in Voltron, we had a good 50. Facts, we could've been alright. Nah, let's go! Not 50 against three, you know, it's, it's, you got 50. We Speaker 5 (18:45) still gonna Speaker 1 (18:45) lose, but we gonna make some, we gonna make some work. Speaker 5 (18:48) Yo, Joe, keep it real, when you tell a story, what do you want me to do, lie to you? I'm at some shit. I'm at a how can I be down to some... Hold on, hold on, Speaker 7 (18:58) when Speaker 5 (18:58) you tell a story, nah, cause people will think you capping, right? Like how you robbed the whole school. But I'm going to talk about like, he'll be like a crazy number. I'm in the process of getting the proof to Robin the host. Nobody tried to get up at that school, Speaker 1 (19:12) man. What do you want me to say? No, what I'm saying is, look, see, this is what I'm talking about. The same nigga who say, my realest beef was with Fat Joe. Now he's like, Speaker 2 (19:23) yo, Speaker 1 (19:23) Joe, I'm telling you the truth. Joe, Speaker 2 (19:25) Joe, Speaker 1 (19:25) Joe. Joe Speaker 2 (19:26) will Speaker 1 (19:26) tell a story like at the beginning, Speaker 5 (19:28) instead of saying like 10 cars. You'd be like 47 cars. No, we own 47 cars. Five cars. Five cars. Five floors. Got you. Some people, when they tell a story, people would think it's cap. Like, all right, Joe, you went to school in the Bronx. 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He's in the NFL and I'm like, just a big factor. I do enough. That's crazy. Join us each week for a quick chat with your soccer-loving bros about the best sport in the world. Soccer. Just don't tell my coaches I said that. Listen to Big Kick Energy on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Now, Speaker 5 (27:17) the Bronx is the toughest borough in New York City. One of the toughest places to live from back in the days to now. You know what I'm saying? Right? You mean to tell me you robbed your whole school and ain't nobody? You trying Speaker 1 (27:29) to Speaker 5 (27:29) say because Speaker 2 (27:30) there's other Speaker 5 (27:30) tough niggas in the Speaker 2 (27:31) Bronx too, right? I need people Speaker 3 (27:32) from your school to tell you how worse it gets. What? Well, you ain't never hear them say they didn't get robbed. They got robbed. Somebody's going to come up here Speaker 1 (27:42) and Speaker 3 (27:42) tell me. Where they at? He ain't lying. Where they at? The Speaker 1 (27:44) whole gym. Nobody said no. I'm Speaker 5 (27:47) in Speaker 1 (27:47) the process of getting proof. I want the proof. No, no. Certified proof. Of that. I figured out a way. There wasn't no cameras back then, Joe. I'm about to get y'all to proof. Just relax. I don't want to tell people what I'm up to. You robbed your whole gym, murder. In the Bronx. I never robbed. I robbed a Speaker 3 (28:05) lot Speaker 1 (28:05) of Speaker 2 (28:05) people before, but I never robbed the whole gym. Can I say something? It Speaker 3 (28:09) was just beyond. All right. So I'm in junior high school. All right. Speaker 3 (28:18) I grew up in the projects. I just wanted to, I don't, but this just, I don't know. Y'all heard this story a million times. My mother and my uncles lived in that project for 40 years. The project was 90 % Speaker 1 (28:32) black. This is where I'm birthed. This is where they bring me in the hospital. From the hospital, my first day, this is where I'm at. I'm not in another community. I'm not from Speaker 2 (28:45) another land. I'm in the project. This Speaker 1 (28:49) is Speaker 2 (28:49) where, Speaker 1 (28:49) this is my, see. It's the black community is the only Speaker 3 (28:54) community I know. Right. Later on, I got to get in roots with my Latino people. But I'm Latino, but I grew up anyway. Speaker 2 (29:03) My grandmother's from Speaker 3 (29:05) a ninety nine point nine percent black community. Well, to this day, no Spanish niggas got used there. Speaker 4 (29:13) They Speaker 1 (29:13) not holding no type of weight over there. You hear of Chico and his brother. None of them. Fat Joe about the only one that can steal Diddy Bop through there on the strength of yo, that's Joe Crack. It's still like that. Speaker 5 (29:27) Close shot. I mean, we know you for being the first Spanish kind of rap to me. The first Spanish rapper in Speaker 3 (29:34) the Speaker 5 (29:34) game. Speaker 3 (29:34) So I'm over there getting my ass whooped every day. They beating the brakes off of me. 20 D jumping me every day, every day, every day, get my ass whipped. Cause I'm, I've never been pussy. Speaker 1 (29:47) So you can't come to me and say. Suck my dick, you pussy, I'm going. Like I'm a numbskull. Like a dumb nigga that you would, I really was a dumb nigga. Like, would you just bring me for the drama? Like, yo, call Joey. And that's what happened. Speaker 5 (30:04) Joe, you was the size of a linebacker. What you want me to do? I'm just telling you. Of course they're going to jump you. Speaker 1 (30:10) My people used to wake me up out my sleep. You know, that's the worst thing you could do is wake your man up. For what fight? Anything. Speaker 2 (30:19) Niggas, I ain't even thinking. We just waking nigga up. Yo, come on. Speaker 3 (30:22) You used Speaker 2 (30:22) to Speaker 3 (30:22) wake me up. Anyway, so I come from getting bullied. And then I had it. I said, yo, I'm going to give it to everybody. Now, here's the trick for you not to understand. I'm from Forrest Project. You was getting bullied? Speaker 5 (30:34) You was like the size of a Speaker 3 (30:35) rock? Speaker 5 (30:35) I got beat up every day. I just told you. Man, what's that kid movie? Speaker 1 (30:39) It happens. Can't beat 20 guys. Yo, hold on. What's the movie? What's the movie? I kept telling them. Yeah, yo. I'm not pussy. Every time they came up to me, I said, yo, I don't know what y'all think. I'm not pussy. I don't know if y'all understand. All right. Beat me up. Let's fight. You know, nobody ever punched me in the face and I ain't fight. Listen to what I'm saying. What? I finally say that Speaker 3 (31:07) summer where I graduated junior high, I said. I'm giving it to everybody. I really don't care. So I start robbing everybody in the jams, this, this, that. You start hearing about Joey Crack, Terror Squad. The problem is with my school, for you to get to understand, from Forrest's projects, across the street, this is what people don't hear in this story, Speaker 1 (31:30) across the street was Morris High School. Morris High School is the last stop. Morris Projects, though, right? Morris Projects. Morris High School, I'm talking Speaker 3 (31:39) about. My projects is across the street from there. In that project, if you Jamaican, Dominican, Puerto Rican, uptown, left town, this town, that's the last stop before you go to Rikers Island. Speaker 5 (31:54) I'm Speaker 1 (31:55) sure Queens got a school like that where all the pieces of shits go. I'm keeping it real. I don't know if Morris is a good school now, but when I was there, it was where every piece of shit. Drug dealer, kingpin, whatever. One Speaker 2 (32:08) of the bad kids was there. Speaker 3 (32:10) I'm across the Speaker 1 (32:11) street. Speaker 3 (32:12) I got 100 niggas with me. I don't know how to explain it to you. So Speaker 1 (32:17) first day of school, when you in the homeroom, you dip fresh, you ready to go in, you a tough guy. They was tough guys from all over there. And the first time you ever seen Fat Joe was a Spanish nigga turned in a corner with like a hundred black dudes. And you like, where did this happen? Like, how does this happen? And we got it popping. First day of school, started beating niggas up, robbing niggas. First day of school, the first time the Bronx, uptown, crosstown, this, the 5%, I Speaker 3 (32:49) don't give a fuck who it was. The first time you laid eyes on him, he was putting in that work. Every day after that, we was just. Being very abusive. Because I got bullied and I was in a circumstance of becoming to Speaker 1 (33:02) hurt people, hurt people. So I start hurting dudes. What you don't understand about the school is, everybody I robbed in there knew I had a hundred niggas outside. Speaker 5 (33:12) I Speaker 1 (33:12) am the leader. Speaker 5 (33:14) Yeah, because your project's right across the street. You had a reputation already. Speaker 1 (33:17) They know. Speaker 5 (33:17) So one day I'm Speaker 1 (33:19) bored to death. Like just bored out of... You know how many... Robbed the Speaker 3 (33:24) whole gym. Man, my projects would have a party and there's a thousand people in the party and I would just take the equipment and break the shit and say, party over. Niggas, oh, crack, why? Yo, it's over, nigga. Speaker 2 (33:39) Party's over. Done deal. But why would you do that? Speaker 5 (33:45) I was bad. Because he was the size of a linebacker at that point. I was bad. So what I'm trying to Speaker 3 (33:50) tell you is that when I told everybody I was bored to death. And I'm looking at the gym class and I'm just like, ah, fucking, I'm robbing everybody. Yo, help me with the wall. Help me Speaker 1 (34:00) with your stuff.