On Dario for Emporio, Cos Drama, Vogue World

Every Outfit

The hosts navigate a whirlwind of fashion industry news, ranging from major designer appointments at Armani and Versace to the controversial

Key takeaways

• Dario Vitale's appointment to Emporio Armani is interpreted as a strategic test for his ability to revitalize accessories before potentially leading the main house.
• The partnership between Donatella Versace and Revolve marks a significant move for the retailer to transition from influencer-led lines to established designer labels.

Main topics

• Designer Appointments
• Fashion Protests and Controversy

Notable quotes

I don't need a new vision for Diesel right now, personally.

Conclusion

A deep dive into the shifting power dynamics and commercial pressures

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) Every hour, every hour Speaker 3 (0:04) Thousand dollars on shoes? What's the matter Morty? Tomorrow, it's a thing. Turn tomorrow, Speaker 1 (0:10) great gown, beautiful gown. Fashion Speaker 3 (0:18) has changed! Speaker 2 (0:24) Hi, I'm Lauren Garoni. And I'm Chelsea Fairless. And welcome back to the Every Outfit podcast. We have a lot of fashion news to discuss today, but first we must apologize to our listeners. Speaker 3 (0:36) Yes, it's been brought to our attention that it's actually our mistake because I was bemoaning. why Sandra Bullock did not just do a spell, why there wasn't a scene where we saw Sandra Bullock doing a spell that she did not want her daughters to practice magic, and you were decrying why these daughters don't remember the events of Practical Magic 1. And it's been brought to our attention by the fuckettes that actually at that graveyard scene that opens Practical Magic 2, Sandra Bullock did do a spell that made her daughters forget about the events of Practical Magic 1 and that they are in fact witches. And neither of us Speaker 2 (1:19) understood Speaker 3 (1:20) that. We Speaker 2 (1:21) can be fucking idiots, I will say. But I think if neither one of us picked up on that, there is a problem with the film. Another problem with the film. Speaker 3 (1:31) Yeah, and because it happens in the first five minutes of the movie, my mind was kind of elsewhere. Like, you're dropped into this world, and I really wasn't expecting the movie to begin directly after the events of Practical Magic 1. And I think how I missed that is I was just looking at the de-aging effects on Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock. Speaker 2 (1:54) Yeah, it was a little fast for me. I was like, wait, who died? Like, that's what... I was trying to figure out when that scene was happening. I was like, who was that guy? And it's like, oh, of course, the cop that she met at the end of the first film. I do think they could have addressed this within a beautiful montage set to Enya, potentially. Also, in our defense... There is a scene in the first Speaker 3 (2:17) Practical Magic where Sandra Bullock storms into the aunt's home and is like, my daughters are never going to practice magic, which is effectively what she says at the grave. So like, sorry, I didn't realize that was a spell. Good point. I don't know. If us and a bunch of other movie critics didn't clock this, I'm just going to say job not well done. Speaker 3 (2:40) So really, I apologize for Speaker 2 (2:42) nothing. But props to those of you who did understand this movie. Okay, shall we get to the big news story, which is the fact that Dario Vitale, formerly of Mew Mew, formerly of Versace, has been appointed to Emporio Armani. Speaker 3 (2:57) Big step up for Emporio Armani. Potentially a step down for Dario. Speaker 2 (3:03) Yeah, he's not taking over Giorgio Armani. Emporio Armani is the diffusion line with the Eagle logo. Speaker 3 (3:10) Yeah, I mean, this news says to me that the Armani family is not ready to overhaul Armani. I think it's more of a test for him. Speaker 2 (3:20) Like, see what he can do with Emporio. If it goes in a good direction, then they'll give him the whole brand. But I understand why they wouldn't want to do that on the outset. Speaker 3 (3:29) Yeah, they're like, we saw what you did with Versace and we're intrigued, but we are not ready to give you the golden goose. The other interesting thing about this, so he's designing for Emporio Armani, but he is also going to be the creative director of Armani accessories as a whole. And he's the first person outside of the Armani family to hold that role. So I think you are correct. This does feel like a test. Because many fashion houses, their main financial driver is their accessories, their shoes, their sunglasses, their bags. And while I actually do have a few Armani bags, I think they're quite great and kind of slept on. Armani is one of the few fashion houses where the clothes are actually what sells more than the accessories. Speaker 2 (4:15) Right. So Speaker 3 (4:16) I think this is a test of like, if you can move... accessories make a signature bag then you can potentially design Armani yeah Speaker 2 (4:24) I think it's gonna be amazing like this is a brand that has never been reimagined by a gay guy who knows what the fuck is up you know And like, I didn't really get Emporio Armani until I was in my mid-20s and I saw some old issues of the long defunct Emporio Armani magazine. I don't know if you've ever seen this, but it was around for a while. They hired the best photographers. It really like sells the vision of that brand and how great it was in the 80s and the 90s. And like... I can see Dario Vitale ingesting all of that and creating something that is really, really major. As Speaker 3 (5:06) someone who does have Emporio Armani pieces, I am very excited about this news because Armani could use a bit of youth Speaker 2 (5:14) culture, let's say, infused into it. Of course. It is cool that Armani has aged with the consumer. Like, I don't think every single brand should have to pander to young people and what's trendy. I think Armani is one of the most timeless brands ever. But at the same time, there was a point where it was timeless and it was on the cutting edge of fashion. And there's kind of no reason why it shouldn't be that again. I agree with you. Also, when he was at Versace, he was looking at what... Gianni did in the 80s and riffing on that. Similarly, I can see him looking at the 80s stuff, the suiting, and kind of continuing on with what he was doing at Versace a little bit in the time period anyway. I could also see him doing really great tonal menswear looks and stuff like that that aren't super in vogue right now in a way that's different from, say, a Bruno Cuccinelli or something. Speaker 3 (6:12) Yeah, Armani is definitely designing for their customer base, but that is a aging customer base. And I definitely think that it would be smart of the Armani family to not immediately. I think that's where a lot of fashion brands have gone wrong. But, you know, slowly bring in a slightly younger consumer base to replenish your women of a certain age customer. Speaker 2 (6:36) I do think in two, three years time, it is plausible that a lot of us will be wearing grayish again or some semblance of whatever look this guy is making for Armani. I can see it. Okay, on a related note, we recently saw Peter Moulier's first look for Versace. It was a custom dress that he designed for Nicole Kidman for the Practical Magic 2 premiere, one of the many Practical Magic 2 premieres. So... I'll say this. I didn't know it was Versace at first. Who would? A psychic? Martin Short from that SVU episode? Although this Speaker 3 (7:15) piece was credited to the Versace Atelier, which historically their design work has kind of been all over the place. That's not shade. It just there is a wide breadth of custom pieces they have designed. Look, I don't have a lack of faith in this man. Speaker 2 (7:32) No. He's a really, really good designer, and this singular look for Nicole Kidman could and should never encapsulate his entire vision for this particular brand. Speaker 3 (7:43) But to your point, it is kind of risky as a newly appointed designer to a fashion house to have your first taste of what you're going to do on the red carpet. I just think it would be a stronger showing to do an entire collection first. Speaker 2 (7:58) Yeah, I don't think there's an advantage to doing this. And the look didn't do much for me personally. For me, it was treading in Maria Grazia territory. Speaker 3 (8:07) That's the thing. And the most generous read I can put on this look for anyone who's like, well, this is not very Versace. I would imagine because it was this lace. I guess kind of witchy look. There was that fall winter collection that had a very major ad campaign. I believe it was the fall winter in 1998 campaign that had a very witchy practical magic to gothic vibe to it. And I'm going to guess that's what he was trying to go for. Speaker 2 (8:35) But this wasn't that at all. Speaker 3 (8:37) I Speaker 2 (8:38) know, but that's my generous read on this look. Or else why? I know. It's also very like Sarah Burton. McQueen vibes. Like it gives like a McQueen diffusion energy. There Speaker 3 (8:51) was something very 2018 about it. Speaker 2 (8:55) Yeah. Okay. In other news, Glenn Martins is leaving Diesel. Speaker 3 (8:59) Sure. It was a matter of time when we talked about his appointment at Margiela. I pointed out that Margiela and Diesel are owned by the same Speaker 2 (9:07) brand. He did as much as a person could do there. He made Diesel cool again. This is the perfect time for him to get out. Speaker 3 (9:15) Yeah, and put his, as you might say, full pussy into designing Margella. Speaker 2 (9:20) Yeah, he doesn't need to worry about jeans that are sold at the mall right Speaker 3 (9:25) now. That's for someone else. Speaker 2 (9:27) Yeah, great opportunity for someone else. I hope they pick someone young and cool. Speaker 3 (9:31) Or let the design team continue with Glenn Martin's vision for the brand. Like, it doesn't need an overhaul. I think a lot of, certainly what we're going to get into when we discuss Fashion Week is like, do we... Always need to be installing new designers. Yeah, Speaker 2 (9:46) I think promoting from within can certainly be amazing. I don't need a new vision for Diesel right now, personally. 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Cash App green. features, savings, direct deposits, roundups, overdraft coverage, and discounts provided by Cash App, a Block Inc. brand. Visit cash.app slash legal slash podcast for full Speaker 2 (11:52) disclosures. Okay, speaking of another new vision, Donatella Versace is starting a new brand with Revolve. Is she starting her own Helsa? Speaker 2 (12:07) She is following in the footsteps of Elsa Hosk, which isn't even shade. We have gone on record as being Helsa fans. Speaker 3 (12:16) Yeah, I think controversially, one of our more controversial takes, we are actually pro-revolve slash forward. Yeah. Speaker 2 (12:25) In this house, we believe that Black Lives Matter, no human is illegal, and we support Elsa Hosk's pivot to fashion design. Speaker 3 (12:35) I will say I was initially shocked by this news that Donatella Versace was starting a brand with Revolve. And then I was sort of surprised that I was even surprised. Because of course, in regards to Revolve, the next logical step, right? as a brand that started giving influencers fashion lines, and then they just sort of leveled up their level of influencer to now Elsa Hosk, like, of course, it was only a matter of time that they were going to get an actual designer to design a label for them. Speaker 2 (13:07) Totally. And I imagine that this will be more in the forward price point than the Revolve price point. Or maybe I'm wrong. Well, I was surprised to learn that Speaker 3 (13:18) The company has reported a $1.23 billion in total revenue in 2025. And I knew that they had a line with Sophia Ritchie Grange, but I didn't know they had a line with Cardi B. Speaker 2 (13:31) Wow, me neither. The sheer volume of clothes that they create is so psycho, but that's why I like it. Like I was looking for a like voluminous white midi length skirt the other day. So I searched on Revolve Forward. There's dozens of them. So then you can buy three and find the one that's actually not ugly. Well, and as Speaker 3 (13:52) we've said, shopping at Revolve Forward for us living in Los Angeles feels like a hack because you purchase it and then it's at your doorstep the next day. Speaker 2 (14:01) Yeah, it's a satisfying shopping experience. You know what's not satisfying? Essence. And it sucks, like as if I needed another reason to hate Donald Trump. But like I found a very fabulous Simone Rocha bag on sale recently. It was like $260 down from like $800. By the time the tariffs were added onto it, over $400. I was like, sorry, I can't do this. That has been my question because Speaker 3 (14:30) I feel like the internet has been quiet and I'm like. Are we still getting charged tariffs if we buy from Essence? And now you've answered my question. Speaker 2 (14:37) Yeah, it's like $100 to order anything from Essence. So you have to really be desperate. Speaker 3 (14:42) Okay, back to this Donatella Versace Revolve line. Donatella said in a statement, Revolve understands something I believe deeply. Culture comes from connection. Together, we want to create that connection with a new voice, a new look, and a new energy. Which I think is code for Prada technically owns the Versace archive, so I can't tap into any of that, so it will be new. Speaker 2 (15:04) Do we think this is going to be called Donatella? I think it should. Yeah, Speaker 3 (15:09) what Speaker 2 (15:09) else Speaker 3 (15:10) would it be called? It certainly can't be- D-label? Well, it certainly can't be called Versace. Although, will they do the Elsa-Hask-Helsa thing where they combine the last and first name? Speaker 2 (15:20) They also could- Don-Sachi? Don-something. Donna, you know? just break out the Donna and combine it with another word. Tella? Speaker 3 (15:30) Anyway, we will be first in line at that brick and mortar Revolve store at the Grove. Have you been in that, by the way? No, it always seems a little sad to me. Speaker 2 (15:40) I agree. That's why I've been stepped Speaker 3 (15:41) into it. Revolve is an experience that should happen in your bed, in sweatpants, at either like 10 in the morning or 10 at night. Yeah, Speaker 2 (15:52) it's a dialogue between us. And these like models whose faces are honestly like as familiar as some of my own family members at this point. The other thing I love that Revolve Speaker 3 (16:05) has done, which is like gamify clothing. Have you noticed that they will power rank certain items? You'll look for something like a white skirt or jeans or a midi skirt. And it's like, this is the 17th best-selling gray midi skirt. Oh, I also love how they tell you Speaker 2 (16:22) how many have been sold that hour. Speaker 3 (16:24) Oh, yeah. To get your ass to be like, order now. Might be gone. Okay, moving on. It has come to our attention this past weekend that Kim Kardashian has a new stylist. Or I guess, not just a stylist, an image architect. In one Speaker 2 (16:39) law roach. Yeah, they hard launched their relationship at the big gala celebrating the opening of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art. Didn't think that would be an event that Speaker 3 (16:52) Kim Kardashian would be at, but she was in archival Yves Speaker 2 (16:57) Saint Laurent by Tom Ford. There is nothing that Kim loves more than a Mandarin caller and also having her tits out. You know, if there's a garment where she can do both of those things, it's like an instant yes. The pairing of Law Roach and Kim Kardashian is Speaker 3 (17:14) curious because it doesn't feel like she needs help picking which archival Tom Ford dress she should be wearing to an event. And also, I really can't see Law taking her style to a new phase. I Speaker 2 (17:30) don't know. I'm curious to see. I think she's been in a little bit of a lull lately. I think she's been reverting back to some pre-Kanye instincts. Oh, I definitely agree with Speaker 3 (17:42) you. Which Speaker 2 (17:43) is not to say that she doesn't look amazing most of the time. Like, of course she does. But like, I don't know if she needs to go back to that like Versace, Cavalli girl. Yeah, but I Speaker 3 (17:53) also can't see her in fecal matter. I Speaker 2 (17:56) can see her in a certain fecal matter piece. Sure. Speaker 3 (18:00) It's interesting because if you look at Law Roach's output with his clients, obviously it's different with Zendaya compared to Celine Dion. But certainly, right, for someone like Zendaya, they are working on thematic dressing on the red carpet. With Celine, it's tapping into her persona as a diva. With Kim, this is all to say that he seems fascinated with some sort of theme or the known persona of that person. So I'm very interested to see how that metabolizes with Kim. Speaker 2 (18:34) Totally. Also, he's not doing Celine anymore. Celine went back to the stylist she had before Law Roach for these shows that she did in Paris. Speaker 3 (18:44) Now that's interesting because I saw those looks between the Schiaparelli jacket and that amazing Aliyah look. And I was like, wow, this is incredible. Like, Speaker 2 (18:54) good on you, Law. Yeah, it was incredible. Also that Dior gown that she wore in the Paris shows. So yeah, I don't know what happened there. But I'm interested to see what he does for Kim. Like a Zendaya, Kim's someone that I think most people loan to. And also like a Zendaya and like Law Roach himself, like Kim buys. Kim will pay any amount of money for whatever it Speaker 3 (19:20) is. Right, which I've noticed people online are concerned that because it's Kim and it's Law and now they're working together, that there's no way that she isn't going to be the one that buys the Princess Diana revenge dress that will be going on auction soon. Well, we shall Speaker 2 (19:37) see. Seems a little demure for her. Yeah, but she just likes buying things and keeping Speaker 3 (19:42) them. We are going to get a Kim Kardashian museum. You know what? That's actually why Kim was probably at the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art. If anyone is going to open up a museum about themselves with all of their ephemera, it's Kim. Speaker 2 (19:59) Yeah. Speaker 3 (19:59) Like, where does Kim go from here? Opening a museum with all the shit that she's bought at auction. Speaker 2 (20:06) You've heard Chelsea and Speaker 3 (20:07) I discuss our love of online