279: On Tyra Banks, Disclosure Day, Men’s Fashion Week

Every Outfit - Every Outfit

The podcast celebrates 10 years of 'Every Outfit' with reflections on its origins, discusses Sarah Jessica Parker’s alleged self-plagiarism in a commencement speech, and covers Tyra Banks’ defamation lawsuit against Netflix. The episode also dives into Men’s Fashion Week, highlighting feminine trends like boas and sheer suits.

Key takeaways

• 10-year milestone marks a journey from joke to full-time passion.
• Sarah Jessica Parker’s speech similarities spark debate on self-plagiarism.
• Tyra Banks’ lawsuit against Netflix is seen as ironic given her past reality show practices.

Transcript preview

I spent 40,000 dollars on shoes. What's the matter, Marty? Laurel, the thing. Turn to find our little price. Great downs. Beautiful downs. Fashion has changed. Chelsea, you seem raring to go? I am. I just got off a plane, I was upstate visiting my parents, and I'm happy to be back in sunny Los Angeles. That's dedication. Guys, she went straight from an airplane to recording this podcast. There might have been a Jones on third break in between those two things. Absolutely. We have a lot to talk about this week, but first and foremost, it is our 10-year anniversary. And you were out of town. Yes, it's been 10 years since we started the Instagram, every outfit on Sex In The City. Maybe the longest joke that has turned into a job? I know, I can't believe we've been Sex In The City parasites for this long. I just can't believe truly every year since we had the Instagram account, we were like, well, surely this can't go on for another year and yet somehow it has. And here we are. I did text you, because I did forget that it was the 10 year starting every outfit on sex in the city. It's okay, only one of us needs to remember. And that's how you keep a relationship going. But I did text you and I was like, it is crazy that this thing that we created as a joke over Flamy Margaritas, shout out to El Capadre, at maybe, I won't speak for you, I'll speak for myself, like the lowest point in my life. Oh, it was definitely the lowest point in my life, but you know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know how you want you want you want you want you want you want you want you want you want you want you want couch it. But yeah, we were both in not great places. My celebrity boss had unceremoniously left the city to move across the country and left me with her dog, so I was jobless. Jobless with some busted Pomeranian, which is really what happens to every celebrity assistant. That is true. I was definitely in my Menti B era. And you know, after we started the Instagram account, I did. moved to LA and really start from scratch. Professionally, romantically. I know. And this account gave me my husband and now we have a child. And I get to work with you, one of my best friends every day. Like this silly joke made all of my dreams come true. No, it's been the biggest gift. If you were to ask like 12 year old me, what's your dream job, it would be like working on sex in the city. But if you can't do that, this is the next best thing. Yeah, being sarcastic about fashion and pop culture and being paid to watch sex in the city, you're right. If you ask high school me, like, what is the dream it would be that? A job that didn't exist when we were teenagers. Yeah. Anyway, I hope that felt genuine. I know with our monotone voices anytime we're a little bit sacrin or try to be genuine, it can come off as sarcastic. Yes, I for one. genuine for once in my miserable life. We're so lucky and we're so grateful to all of you, of course. And to show how much reverence we have for sex in the city and everything that it has given us, we're going to talk about how Sarah Jessica Parker allegedly plagiarized her own speech. Okay, this is a very niche sex in the city story, but oh, it is us, who weekly and a woman named Hope Perry of the The Evanston Roundtable are the only three people talking about this and we wouldn't even be talking about this if one Hope Perry didn't write about this in I think her college paper The Evanston Roundtable isn't a college newspaper, but it is a local newspaper in the region where Northwestern University is so to back things up Sarah Jessica Parker recently delivered a commencement speech for the graduates of Northwestern How lucky are they? Very lucky. She was also given or awarded as they say an honorary doctorate degree. But shortly thereafter Hope Perry, a journalist from the Evanston Roundtable, called her out for plagiarizing portions of her speech from a speech that she herself gave at Harvard Law School in 2016. So Hope Perry and her piece in the Evanston Roundtable, which I just want to apologize. Sorry for calling it a college paper. No disrespect to local news. later when we talk about Disclosure Day, local news, the most important thing we have in this world. But Hope Perry said that in a speech that was about 2,700 words, about 1,500 of those words were either multi-word phrases or identical or extremely similar statements from her 2016 Harvard address. Work smarter, not harder. So I went back and I actually watched both speeches. Western speech was broadcast on C-SPAN, I don't think Sarah Jessica Parker knew that. And the Harvard speech has been live on YouTube for the last 10 years since she delivered it. And Hope Perry isn't wrong. There are several passages that are virtually identical between these two speeches, but in Sarah Jessica Parker's defense, they're anecdotes from her own life. Sure, but it's the same speech. She did it twice. Which is... a normal thing to do if you are a celebrity on a press tour or on some sort of like speaking circuit but I think in the world of academia it's like frowned upon to plagiarize even yourself you know so for those who didn't have the extra hour in your week to watch both of the commencement speeches again in her defense these speeches are like 20 30 minutes long they're not word for word it's because the Harvard address was to the law school So it wasn't like she took the stuff she said about the law school and just said it to the Northwestern audience. She made a little joke about how she was in some legal drama in the early 90s. I mean she kind of did do that though. I'm of the belief that like she did the same speech but I don't have a problem with the fact that she did the same speech but can we play a clip just so our listeners have some more context? Absolutely. So there are a couple of parts that are word for word, I will say her cadence is different so that's an actress for you that's a theater actress she's like I'm gonna do this again but I'm gonna make the performance different anyway here's one such part of her speech and I also know advice is sort of like experience is boring cousin that no one really wanted to invite and arrives at the party who arrives early and just turns around the kitchen and I've learned as an actor, a business person, a citizen, and a citizen, a citizen, and as someone who has had the extraordinary good fortune to pursue the things that I love. Okay, I love that you layered them over each other. I was expecting back to back. No, I layered them over each other for effect. And as I said, the words are basically the same, but her performance is different and I think we need to give her credit for that. the one thing that Hope Perry couldn't do in her piece. She compared the same passages, but when you hear them, you know, they do sound difference, even if she's saying the same words. Look, I think that it is valid to criticize someone for plagiarizing their own speech just because like if you go to Northwestern and you're not allowed to plagiarize your own shit. Like you can't turn in the same paper twice. That's right. I mean, this feels like, like a very Sarah Jessica Parker type of scandal to get into where I just don't think she thought that people would be able to see both speeches online totally can I play the other part that is identical sure and I can share with you that there have been many attempts from many attempts to change me from the outside world to change me my approach my appearance my appearance my choices my choices for the most part I have resisted much to the chagrin often of those who believe they had my best at heart. I am not going to suggest that I was evolved enough to see the error in doing so. But there was a little voice that said, don't. Be gracious, listen, appreciate the care and advice, but there are times, Sarah Jessica, to keep your own counsel. As we say in acting, take the note, but do it your own way. Okay, this part is particularly hilarious because she's saying. There are times, Sarah Jessica. Where you have to take the note, but do it your own way. To plagiarize that part about doing it your own way, but doing it the same over two commensative speeches is just wonderfully ironic and funny. No, that's incredible. Yeah, it's tricky because it's not as if she plagiarized Oprah's Harvard commencement speech or something. But wouldn't that be amazing if she had? Yeah, it would. It does make sense that she would have the same advice for graduates of Harvard versus graduates of Northwestern. Of course. Like what are you going to say to these kids? You know? And I will say, having listened to both speeches, it's not word for word the same because when she, during that first clip where she's talking about how advice is like a dinner guest that never leaves. In the first speech he refers to her 13-year-old son who rolls his eyes and then the Northwestern speech he refers to him as a newly graduated college student. See? There were some changes. I love that you watched both of them in full. What kind of podcaster would I be if I didn't? Look, we're doing the work. The speeches are definitely mostly the same but we don't care. Because we believe in a working smarter, not harder. We also believe that it's more work to plagiarize yourself than it is to just get chat geepte to write this speech which she could have very easily done. She could have easily just fed chat the original speech and been like vary the language. She didn't even do that. She doesn't even know how to get to chat geepte. Also she was a what was it a book or prize judge. Yeah. This woman was too busy to write a whole new speech. She was reading like 78 books. her to be doing other things with her time. Good hair days do more than we give them credit for. When your hair feels healthy you show up differently, you're more confident, more relaxed, and you're not constantly checking mirrors or adjusting your hair. Your hair becomes one less thing competing for your attention throughout the day. 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But the fact that their basis of this lawsuit is like how dare you only use 16 minutes of this three hour interview you conducted with Tyra Banks about the reality show that she created that took minutes out of hours of footage to construct its own narrative. girl, you did that on your reality show and now you're mad that that was done to you in a documentary? I know, she can dish it out, but she can't take it. My other favorite thing is, she's essentially upset and the lawsuit alleges that she was not shown footage that would have given context and had she had that context, she would have given different answers, which is a crazy thing to say, most specifically about the contestant who said she was assaulted during the run of the show, which was the most explosive part of the documentary. Right. She's claiming that she was unaware that Shandy Sullivan classified what happened to her as sexual assault. Personally, I don't think we can blame Tyra exclusively for the horrible treatment of Shandy, like that is a prime example of rape culture and also the bystander effect. Like it truly takes a village. for something like that to happen the way that it did. For sure, but the specificity that they get into in this lawsuit about that sequence, they go, the implication is devastating and deliberate that Tyra Banks cannot even remember the story of the woman who was assaulted on her show. But that was false. The full footage of Miss Banks' interview reveals two things that the producers cut out and did not show viewers in episode one. Before the upward glance, Miss Banks nods affirmatively, unmist immediately says I do remember her story. By carving the nod out of the middle of the sequence and cutting off Miss Banks' comment at the end, the producers ensured that the viewers would see only the lie and not the truth. You didn't have to participate in this documentary? You know who didn't participate in this documentary? Do you know the other person who created America's Next Top model? Kenya Barris, who went on to create the show Blackish? Yeah, she could have very easily opted out and she made the mistake and she made the mistake. a lot of contestants on America's Next Top Model made, which was a blind trust in the production to portray her story in a positive light. Yeah, I guess that's the thing that I find the funniest about this lawsuit. Just the irony that she is upset about her treatment in the documentary when that's exactly the treatment that these contestants got on the show that she created. I can't imagine not having that level of awareness. Like if some celebrity, that we talked shit about on this podcast came out and was like the every outfit podcast is horrible these bitches are crazy I would be like okay fair like I deserved that you know or maybe not I deserve that but I certainly wouldn't fight it well in your hypothetical said celebrity isn't suing us for mental anguish and defamation and wanting a trial for what we said on our podcast right which again I maintain I maintain her lawyers know what they're doing by bringing this lawsuit to Netflix. I read about this article in People magazine. It got a lot of coverage. I think they will settle and that'll be the end of it. But the other big part of the lawsuit seems to be that she's very upset about all the stuff about her ignoring Miss Jay after her stroke. Because there's a part of the lawsuit where it's like the documentary didn't even mention the fact that Tyra's been in Australia the last two years. It's like okay. But also like Miss Jay clearly doesn't really fuck with you. You know what I mean? Read the room. Yeah and also Miss Jay in interviews after the documentary was like Tyra still hasn't reached out to me. Nothing about that in the lawsuit. There's nothing about how she iced out Jay Manuel or the insensitive and increasingly insane photo shoot themes like that. She's like, all right, you got me on that one. It's too bad because I wish she could talk about that in a candid way because there is a mass psychosis element of it. It's not as if it was solely Tyra's creative, you know? Absolutely not. Everyone just kind of fell in line because that was the time and that sort of concept for a photo shoot would have been acceptable then. Right, but Miss Jay was featured, Jay Manuel was featured, Nigel Barker was featured, and they all own up to like, that was fucked up, It was the time that's not an excuse. Like there were other people presented in the documentary who didn't come off unscathed, but understood what they would have to answer for in the documentary and came prepared. Yeah, it was the lack of preparation on Tyra's part that was crazy to witness as a viewer. Because that was a big part of what the third episode where the director of the documentary, Moore Lausci, decided to get into the resurgence of America. Next Top Model during the pandemic and people re-examining the show and how messed up it was. So for Tyra to show up to the documentary, that unprepared means one of two things to me, which is one, she doesn't care, or that commentary just never got to her. Which seems insane. Yeah, both seem hard to believe. Perhaps it's a mixture of the two. Yeah. Like if I was her, I would be like rehearsing my answers, to the questions about Shandy with my publicist like it was you know the most important thing I've ever done but yeah I guess she didn't know or wasn't scared of being cancelled which seems weird okay so Tyra is suing for damages including loss of future business opportunities loss of business income and other compounding losses as will be shown at trial again they're very into getting this to trial which could take years but do you think that she's going to allege this does make it to trial that her hot ice cream business has lost income because of this documentary. 1,000% I am trying to recoup the money I've lost for is it called Smyse Cream. They have a store in Sydney that was open the last time that I went there I just wasn't aware that they had like a brick and mortar location. I don't think it's gonna go to trial but I kind of hope it does. This might be the can't be the can't be a celebrity trial. since the Gweneth-Paul Troskeen trial anyway. Ooh. And then we could have an off-Broadway musical about the Tyra, Netflix trial. You know, think of what this could do for pop culture. Exactly. I am so excited to share that this podcast is sponsored by The Real Real, the world's largest and most trusted source for authenticated luxury resale. I sold some stuff on the Real Real recently. Now I have. $200 that I could spend on clothes without guilt. And I'm debating between a classic Armoni suit and a Timmy Woods bag that's shaped like a pelican. I vote for the suit. Don't hate Lauren. Timmy Woods is a great reel reel search. This is the designer that made Carrie's Eiffel Tower shaped bag. You know, the one that Big's Ashes ended up in. His final rustic place. 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