We Recorded a Podcast Hiking OUT the Grand Canyon | Drop A Pin Ep. 101

Drop A Pin

In this special episode of Drop A Pin, hosts Biz and Wonton recount their unforgettable hiking adventure through the Havasupai Indian Reserv

Key takeaways

• The Havasupai hike is considered one of the most breathtaking experiences in the U.S., despite its difficulty and high cost.
• Permits for the hike are extremely limited and sell out quickly, making access rare and highly sought after.

Main topics

• Havasupai hike and Grand Canyon adventure
• Mobile podcast production on location

Notable quotes

"You have to do this hike before you die."

Conclusion

The episode concludes with the hosts reflecting on the profound beauty and emotional impact

Transcript preview

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And then we have the first ever mobile podcast, which we filmed on the trail during that trip. Speaker 5 (1:06) Hey, how are you? Welcome back to Drop a Pin, a very special peek and recap edition. We got my guy Biz Nasty on, and our episode filmed on the Havasupai Indian Reservation just came out. This is actually being recorded before the video is released to the public, so Chaps hasn't seen it yet. Okay. So, yeah, we'll kind of just have to, like, fill him in. But incredible hike. Unreal. It's the... the coolest spot I've been to in the United States. I can, I can say that pretty safely. Speaker 6 (1:39) Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like you've been probably a lot more places than I have and explored a lot more, but as far as like leaving there and just feeling like fulfilled with like pure joy, um, and based on the fact that it wasn't that bad of a grind. Yeah, I would, I would totally agree. Anybody who I've talked to about it, I would say you have to do this once before you die. That would be my advice. Yeah. Speaker 5 (2:07) Not Speaker 6 (2:07) to go too dark at the end there, but like, or do this once in your lifetime. Sorry. Speaker 2 (2:12) I Speaker 6 (2:12) was positive. And like, I croak, you Speaker 4 (2:15) got to do this hike before you meet a tragic, tragic death. You got to do this. Speaker 6 (2:21) Where the grim reaper Speaker 4 (2:22) comes a knock. Before something incredibly violent happens to you, you need to do this hike. Speaker 6 (2:29) Well, I guess like you got to be careful about going on it because Wonton sent me like an article of like a local attacker on like a 27-year-old lady who stopped by the hike. So Speaker 5 (2:41) August 12th, a lady from New York was doing the same exact hike as Biz. And on this hike, you eventually make it to Supai Village, which is the Indian village. That's down in the Grand Canyon. And she asked someone for directions in the village and she got attacked. And the guy like slit her throat. It's not funny, Piz. No, it's Speaker 6 (3:01) not Speaker 5 (3:01) funny. Speaker 6 (3:02) I didn't know that he slit her throat. Speaker 5 (3:04) Yeah, she got sliced up. She's perfectly fine now, but she got sliced up. And the guy got arrested. It was, I mean, it was a member of the tribe, but it was someone who had a criminal past, had like drug problems. And I mean. I mean, just talk about asking the wrong guy for directions. We're Speaker 4 (3:24) keeping it light at the beginning of it. Yeah, we're keeping it light. Right after we're like, everybody has to do this. By the way, you Speaker 5 (3:30) might get viciously attacked with a knife. Yeah, there's going to be Speaker 6 (3:34) tons of permits available moving forward. So anyone who wants to do this, you could probably do it. That's the one thing that was kind of crazy about. Like even the fact that Donnie got these permits because like that time of year is probably the perfect time of year to book them. Cause it's not crazy, crazy hot, like the middle of summer in the desert. And like, yeah, it was an unreal temperature. And one of them was available and Donnie scooped it up. Speaker 5 (3:58) Yeah. Cause the only thing I'd heard about this hike was that everyone was like, Oh, it's the best hike in America, but it's super hard to get. The permits go on sale like February 1st and they sell out within 24 hours. So, uh, when biz said he had time to film a peek and this was already mid March and I was like, well, I might as well check. And they had four permits available. Um, you do have to buy a permit. It's also known as the most expensive hike in America, right? Because it's like 425, a person for the permit. And that comes with, you get three nights, um, on the reservation. And, uh, we only ended up using two of those nights. But yeah, I mean, most of the time you go camping, your campsite is going to be like 15 bucks or 20 bucks. This is $425, but it is worth it. You know, even though you're just, you're sleeping in a tent, your surroundings are definitely five star. Oh, a Speaker 6 (4:52) hundred percent worth every penny. And, and like, it's a little bizarre at the fact that all of a sudden you, you hike into it eight miles and then there's this like little city and. But in the same breath, it's nice to have that little infrastructure where let's say you're like, oh, man, I need to go into town and get something that I really need. It's only a two-mile hike from Havasupai, like the, what do you call it, the falls part. Speaker 5 (5:20) The campground. Yeah, you can hike. And I wouldn't call it a city, but they do have a little town there. Town, yeah, town. I thought the town would be super, super remote, but they had a... Grocery store there. They had a cafe selling like fry breads, which is a Native American specialty. And I was reading that the grocery store sometimes isn't stocked with anything. But when we got there, it was a pretty well stocked grocery store. It also they have a post office there. It's the last post office in the world, maybe, or at least in the U.S. that gets the mail delivered via mule. Speaker 4 (5:53) Oh, nice. Yeah. So can you put us there like I. I don't know where this is. Okay. So Speaker 6 (5:59) it's a, let's start from the beginning. If you were to do it in a fly into Phoenix, it's about a, what, like a four hour drive to where we started, where we, where we ended up going to the hotel where they had the permits. They recommend you stay at this hotel and they had this cave exhibit that we went down. It was like what? 250 feet below the earth or low. Was it more? Speaker 5 (6:22) Yeah. Yeah. Around 200 feet underground. The grand Canyon caverns in. Um, so we like before the hike started, we filmed just checking out those caves. Uh, they were very nice. They gave us like a private tour. Um, that was actually one of my favorite parts of the videos. They have a mummified bobcat down there. And so I'm asking like, Oh, how old is this bobcat? They're like, Oh, it's 150 years old, 200 years old. And biz is like, I think I saw that on the side of the road on the way in. Like I may have actually hit that with my truck. I don't know what Speaker 6 (6:51) I, they might've been full of shit on that one, but it actually Speaker 5 (6:54) was a mummified Bobcat. We Speaker 6 (6:56) stopped at an Indian restaurant. It was my first, I think my first Indian experience. I can't remember going to a restaurant like that in my life. And I got to experience what was the, do you remember the name of the restaurant that we went to? I think it was Speaker 5 (7:09) spice bar and grill. Yeah, which is way up in rural northern Arizona. Incredible Indian food. Are we Speaker 4 (7:18) talking Indian or are we talking Native American? Speaker 5 (7:20) So now we are talking Indian. We are talking South Asian Indian. All right. A little bit of Speaker 1 (7:26) a Speaker 5 (7:26) curveball Speaker 6 (7:26) there. A little bit of a curveball. We're hitting all the Indians. Speaker 5 (7:29) The word Indian was the theme of this video because we start and end the video at an Indian. I'm not supposed to say dot. Or feather. I know that's what you say. But yeah, now I'm talking dot Indian. Country or native. Yeah. And yeah, we started off and we just had this gigantic Indian feast right before a big hike. I don't know if that was a great move. That sounds insane. Speaker 6 (7:52) That Speaker 4 (7:52) sounds insane to do. It was Speaker 6 (7:54) unbelievable. Yeah. And like, obviously we pounded the coffee in the morning and got our morning shits out of the way before we went on this 10 mile excursion. You got Speaker 5 (8:02) your morning shits out of the way. I didn't shit until like three days later. So I was just carrying butter chicken, naan, goat curry, just in my stomach. How is that Speaker 4 (8:12) even possible? Speaker 5 (8:14) I found out, yeah, I get really constipated when I travel, but I think I just need to eat more fiber. I think it just comes down to that. Because on the most recent DK road trip we did, I was constipated again, and then Maresh was just like. eat some fiber buddy and so i pounded some fiber bars got some greens and then i was able to so we always mix in some fiber that's why i brought so Speaker 6 (8:36) many of the oranges and bananas and stuff from whole foods now you know uh but so like you drive about let's say four hours to this hotel you sleep there the night before you get a good meal in you the next morning you leave early and i would say it's about a 45 minute to hour drive to the trailhead it's a pretty cool drive like you're you're it's obviously very remote and like next thing you know you pull up and there's all these like donkeys on the right who are going to be making their way down to like carry supplies and there's like a couple Speaker 5 (9:06) actually Speaker 6 (9:07) mules excuse me and there's a couple buildings and then next thing you know there's a cliff and you're in you're entering the grand canyon So you kind of drop off all your stuff. You got to find a parking spot either in the lot there. It was pretty jammed up. So we had to drive a little bit and park on the side of the road. And then boom, all of a sudden you're making a, I would say a 45 minute trek downhill into the Grand Canyon. That's like the most, like, what do you want to say? Like the most Speaker 5 (9:35) steep. Yeah. The hardest part of the hike is that, so you've got a mile and a half, you hike literally down the Grand Canyon. So the hike down isn't bad, but on the way out the last. 1.5 miles of the hike you got to hike back out of the grand canyon and Speaker 6 (9:48) you're gassed you've been sleeping like shit because you've been sleeping on like a blow-up mattress thing and and you just finish hiking 10 miles right so um but it's uh it's that's where a lot of the traffic with the mules comes in and they're passing you and they're pretty um they don't want you in a really interacting with the mules you just get out get out of the way don't make it a thing and some people um rag on you if you maybe use them sometimes but like we because we had camera equipment we use the mules to bring supplies for us but hey it's putting money in the pocket of of the tribe and it gets a you know they're running a business so i'm sure they're probably grateful to do it Speaker 5 (10:29) yeah we didn't realize that at the time we booked uh mules because we were going to have all the camera equipment and we were like it'll be good for content too cool to like show how we've got a pack mule to carry some of our stuff and then afterwards it was all white people, but they were just like, Hey man, you shouldn't really do that because it's, um, it's like debatable how well the mules are treated. So that's like some people see hiring the pack mules as problematic, but, um, we did it. Um, and then you don't, so you drop off your like duffel bags of stuff and then they just bring it to the campground and you don't see it until you arrive there. And then we just packed everything we would need for the day hike. Speaker 4 (11:11) I'm telling you right now, I'm 100 % using a pack mule. I am using that shit a thousand times out of a thousand. Get out of here. Yeah, Speaker 5 (11:18) it was. And I think that the tribe is a little self-conscious about it now because some hikers have made an uproar over how the mules are treated. So when we first showed up, we were filming one of the mules and they were like, absolutely no filming of the mules. That was like the one rule of the hike. Are they whipping them Speaker 4 (11:36) and shit along the way or what? Speaker 6 (11:37) No. Speaker 5 (11:38) We didn't see that. Speaker 6 (11:40) No, they're chilling. Usually the guys who are driving them, they got like the beats, earphones in or AirPods, and they're just listening to tunes and cruising. I mean, a few of them were a little hefty, so I felt bad for the mules they were on. Obviously, that's a long walk down, like a steep walk down, and then all of the other ones have supplies. But no, there was no animal abuse or anything. But like Donnie said, if some people are saying, hey, they're not treated up to code. we didn't see any of that and and i don't know well like but Speaker 5 (12:12) but the mules are the mules are the uh lifeblood of the town in there because they get all their supplies uh via either mule or helicopter i guess they can use helicopters that they got to bring in like a fridge or something really expensive but there's no road so everything that goes in and out of this town Correct. It's all via mule or helicopter. And if your livelihood Speaker 4 (12:32) depends on that, like no matter where you are in the world, like people use yaks on the side of mountains for different types. I mean, that's what I mean. Like you domesticate wild animals for a reason. Speaker 5 (12:43) Yes. And like mules are workhorses. We did a part that didn't make the video is at one point on the hike in, we came across a mule that had fallen over and he was carrying a bunch of like bottled water and stuff. Speaker 6 (12:56) Yeah. Speaker 5 (12:57) biz was able to help that guy get his mule back on his feet that probably wouldn't have been great to show in the video i gave it Speaker 6 (13:04) mouth to mouth yeah Speaker 5 (13:07) and what did you learn about mules on this trip i taught you a few things yeah Speaker 6 (13:13) i didn't realize that they can't procreate they can bone all they want but it's just like it's not connecting it's not uh you know if i guess uh because they're like mutts essentially right yeah Speaker 4 (13:24) they've had nature's vasectomy Speaker 6 (13:26) yeah yeah it would be like a liger wouldn't be able to reproduce but you can make a liger yeah Speaker 5 (13:31) so a lion and a tiger can have kids but those kids can't have kids yeah i don't know the science behind that but yeah and so a mule is half what and half what Speaker 6 (13:42) I would say a horse and a donkey. Speaker 5 (13:44) Nailed Speaker 6 (13:44) it. Nailed it. Speaker 4 (13:45) Yeah. Speaker 6 (13:47) Donnie, one of Donnie's favorite things. You got to think the Speaker 4 (13:48) horses are like, I'm slumming. Speaker 6 (13:51) I'm Speaker 4 (13:51) slumming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Slumming. Dumpster diving. Speaker 6 (13:54) Yeah, yeah. They're like 2 a.m. Lights come Speaker 4 (13:58) on. Like, all right, let's go. That's a horse's version of going hogging. Speaker 5 (14:03) I don't know. I'm sure some horses have a donkey fetish. Speaker 4 (14:07) that's right he's like god damn that's a big dick yeah Speaker 6 (14:11) oh yeah yeah what a presence go gray goes comes out or or off the rails so that was um obviously that that was pretty cool um what else was that was i gonna mention oh Speaker 5 (14:27) you were saying that my favorite thing is what oh Speaker 6 (14:30) like uh like blowing my mind with like pretty basic facts historical facts yeah that Speaker 5 (14:37) arizona used to be part of mexico that was awesome that was wild Speaker 6 (14:41) that was blown Speaker 5 (14:42) uh you were a little ashamed because i explained to you that it was the mexican-american war when then like the u.s got new mexico arizona california texas like all that used to be mexico and then we won it in the mexican-american war uh you were a little shame Speaker 6 (14:58) california was a that's a that that whole corner that's a big win That's a beautiful part of Speaker 4 (15:04) the Speaker 6 (15:04) United States. That was a big W. It Speaker 5 (15:06) was kind of a fucked up war because we didn't have a great reason to start it. Besides the fact we were like, we Speaker 6 (15:11) could Speaker 5 (15:11) definitely take this from Mexico and they're not going to do shit about it. So I don't think we had a great justification for the war, but I'll take it now. California is pretty sweet. Speaker 6 (15:22) I mean, Arizona, I think Arizona is the most underrated state in the United States. Speaker 5 (15:29) Yeah. And that's the crazy thing is that you've lived in Arizona for a long time. You would call it like Arizona is your home now, right? Speaker 6 (15:35) Yeah. It's my home in the U S for sure. Speaker 5 (15:37) Um, and you had never been to the grand Canyon. This was your first time there. Speaker 6 (15:41) I'd never, yeah, I don't like, I mean, obviously I've been close with like, when you drive to Vegas, you're kind of in and around it, but I've never like driven up and went and seen the grand Canyon. So when you were like, Oh, we're walking into the grand Canyon. I'm like, ah, I'm pretty sure it's in Nevada and we were still in Arizona. So I didn't realize it like it, like spider webbed out, so to speak. Speaker 5 (16:02) Right. It does. Yeah. Yeah. Speaker 6 (16:04) And it was an unreal introduction. It's fun how gradual you get into the crevices. Like when you go down and you're like, you're walking and it feels like you're in some, some sort of planes. Like you could see where the Canyon is. but then like all of a sudden you get in these bigger bigger and bigger crevices i would say the visual component of this video even with going to bc and even with going to the smokies i feel like the visual stimulation is the best of any of the the peakings we've done yeah Speaker 4 (16:36) i've only seen a couple of the clips when they're editing it and i was like god damn like some of the waterfalls and things like that you guys came across is that water is stunning like the blue is insane unbelievable Speaker 5 (16:48) And that's what Havasupai means. It means people of the blue-green waters. Speaker 4 (16:51) Yeah, it looks like Lake Louise, like that water, very similar in color. Speaker 5 (16:56) Yeah, and I didn't know that waterfalls like that existed in America. I had seen water that color, but it was in the Philippines, in Thailand. And meanwhile, you're in the driest part of the country. All you see is red, orange, brown, hiking through the canyon for... 10 miles and then you turn a corner and it's just it's like caribbean Speaker 4 (17:15) -esque water what makes that yeah what makes water that color it's Speaker 5 (17:19) gonna be Speaker 4 (17:19) some Speaker 5 (17:20) sort of calcium bicarbonate yeah some sort of mineral i don't know which minerals but some sort of minerals and it's why that town down there and like it's one of the like uh oldest continuously inhabited parts of america like of the entire country because A lot of Native American tribes were like hunter-gatherers. They were constantly traveling. They found you're in this like secluded safe area deep in the canyon where you're not going to have other tribes invading and attacking you. And you've got a continuous source of clean, fresh water. So they were just like, let's just set up camp down here and then like use that water to farm. So they would just take the water, create irrigation canals. And so that tribe has been living down there for... thousand years and Speaker 4 (18:07) that part of the country if you can find a fresh water source like that's enormous because it's not like very rare the other places are man-made like uh like yeah yeah Speaker 5 (18:16) oh yeah and so that's why they've just been they've been posted down there forever um great yeah great spot yeah Speaker 6 (18:24) so i guess it'd be fun to walk people through like how i would do your trip once you get there so obviously you hike eight miles in then you're going to see the little town there so you could freshen up and grab any other like last minute supplies you may need and then it's a two mile hike into where all of a sudden you see the the first uh what's it's not mooney falls what's the first one Speaker 5 (18:47) havasu falls Speaker 6 (18:49) havasu falls so that's the one that you actually see on the postcards and the one that i'd only seen like like preparing for the trip I didn't even know that there was like another big falls. So you first hit the Havasu Falls when you like walk in. So you turn the corner and you're like, wow. And you've just finished hiking 10 miles. So you jump right in. It's so like cold and refreshing. And I know some people like like the warmer water, but when you're in the middle of the desert and you get to get that like 55 degree, what was it? Probably 50, 55 degrees, Donnie. Speaker 5 (19:22) It may have been warmer than that. A little warmer. Because 55 seems cold, yeah. I mean, it was very pleasant. Speaker 6 (19:27) I wasn't, like, Speaker 5 (19:28) dying. Speaker 6 (19:29) It was pleasant to swim in. Yeah, it was so refreshing after, like, having a hike that far. So Speaker 5 (19:35) then all Speaker 6 (19:36) of a sudden, like. Speaker 5 (19:36) Yeah, Speaker 6 (19:37) there Speaker 5 (19:37) were some bros from Arizona we met down there, and they were, like, they hiked all the way into this, the most beautiful waterfall you've ever seen, and they weren't getting in the water. They were just like, yeah, that's a little too cold for me. And I was like, dude, what's the point of coming here if you're not going to swim? Speaker 4 (19:51) Is it still a tributary of like the Colorado? Speaker 5 (19:54) Yeah. So that's what some people do. We didn't have time. Some people hike into the campground and then you can do it. It's like you got to leave at like maybe seven in the morning. You can do another full day hike and make it all the way down to. the confluence where you see the colorado river so that's kind of what i was getting to Speaker 6 (20:10) is like how to map out the trip so most people if you're doing it you stay there the three nights we only had two so you get there you see the harvest few falls and then all of a sudden you're kind of entering the campground just past that so that that essentially could be your morning shower every morning unbelievable then it's where the donkeys dropped off all the bags and there's like a little office thing and then you enter the campground and what's cool about after the Havasu falls, all of a sudden there's a big flat part. That's the campground with all these little rivers that look like, uh, what's the, the, the movie with the, the, the James Cameron did. Speaker 5 (20:49) Avatar. It Speaker 6 (20:50) looks like you're in the, like an avatar forest with all this like blue green water, like going through these little, like little rivers and, and, and there's the campgrounds in the midst of it. So you could have like a body of water to your left that's streaming by you. You're camped in the middle and then there's one going by you on the right. And this goes on for probably like, I would say a good like 10 minute walk. So it's a pretty good stretch where there's probably, what would you say, Donnie? 150 different campgrounds, maybe like little spots where you could pitch a tent. Speaker 5 (21:22) Yeah. And we showed up really late in the day. So all the primetime spots down by the lazy rivers were taken. So we just had to find a random patch of. ground okay Speaker 6 (21:30) yeah yeah so that's the kicker but Speaker 5 (21:34) i was told to like you enter the campground hike all the way to the back of the campground and set up shop because the back of the campground you're on the top of mooney falls which is maybe like four times the size of havasu falls i couldn't Speaker 6 (21:48) believe it everybody kept talking about this havasu falls and then at the back there's this other big mooney falls that is I would say four to five times more ferocious and the visual will like blow you, blow you away. That's what should be on the postcard, not Havasu falls. Yes. Yeah. The Mooney falls is the best kept secret going right now. Speaker 5 (22:09) I mean, it's incredible. And the fact that to get to the bottom of the falls, you literally got to climb down a cliff. They've got a, they have like a ladder built in, but at some points you're kind of just rock climbing down a cliff. Just straight down. and uh there's like a little kind of natural beach right there we'll throw in some photos of it um that was yeah that was probably the most beautiful falls in that area it's called mooney falls because a guy named mooney was prospecting for gold and fell off the cliff and died there so mooney falls yeah because mooney fell but Speaker 6 (22:44) but i would say that it was it was almost a blessing in disguise i would First of all, I would be a little bit nervous being that close to where all those little rivers are. Cause if there was like some sort of flash flood, it would completely wipe you out. I feel like, cause we got pushed all the way to the back. Cause all of those ones were taken. We were, we were like probably a good, like, I don't know. We were probably what, like two, 300 feet from the edge of Mooney falls, but off Speaker 2 (23:11) to Speaker 6 (23:12) the side where you're a little bit more protected. There were some campgrounds. where you could park or where you can camp right beside it. And then there was like a little pool and then, and then like naturally made. And then the cliff was right there. People were just hanging out in like a little hot tub by the falls where for whatever reason that rock broke off, like they're going down. Speaker 5 (23:32) Yeah. That was actually one of my bigger regrets from the trip is that I didn't learn about that little pool until we were hiking out, but on top of Mooney falls, which is this huge, like a 200 foot waterfall. There was a natural swimming pool right on the edge of the waterfall where some people were swimming. We didn't know about it until like a hiker told us like after we had already left. That Speaker 4 (23:53) seems like right in your wheelhouse. Yeah, Speaker 5 (23:54) that's right in my wheelhouse. I would definitely Speaker 6 (23:57) go back. Donnie says he wants to do it when his kid's old enough and I would go back for like a reunion hike. Speaker 5 (24:03) Yeah, because I was shocked. We saw a six-year-old doing the hike, like climbing up that cliff back from Mooney. So it is, I mean. I think you'd be shocked at the amount of hikes that six-year-olds can do. Because at that age, Speaker 6 (24:15) you're just indestructible. You Speaker 5 (24:17) don't got to worry about your knees giving out or anything. Or your back. Yeah. Speaker 6 (24:20) Yeah. Speaker 5 (24:21) So yeah, it's something I would love to do again. Speaker 6 (24:23) So basically, you'd start your morning. You'd probably get there by early to mid-afternoon. You take a dip. You go set up your campground. And then. I would recommend just hanging out that night and going by the Mooney Falls and like whatever. If you like to have a couple beers, you like to have a smoke or whatever, even just enjoy it, go watch sunset and hang out by the cliff at Mooney Falls because I wouldn't go do like what you would end up doing the next day or the third day that night because you're probably going to be a little bit gassed. But cook yourself a big meal because as Donnie mentioned, the next day you could wake up, have brekkie. They got shitters like. all over the place it's a great setup you can go fill up your water you can go for like a morning dip in the Havasu part at the front and then I would recommend starting your journey probably around I would say at the latest you would probably want to leave there at 8 a.m and that's where you would go down walk straight down to Mooney Falls where they have like the chains that help you out and we actually got caught up unfortunately because one of the ladders it broke But there was people like local members of the community working and fixing the ladder. And they were on it. And they fixed it within like an hour. And then we were able to finally descend. Yeah, we made it Speaker 5 (25:40) halfway down the cliff. And then people at the bottom are waving like, stop, the ladder's broken. So we just had to like wait on the cliff for an hour and a half for that to get fixed. And that kind of set us a little bit behind on the day. Like, if you get an early start at eight, you could hike all the way. to the confluence and on the way you'll pass beaver falls which is uh that's another Speaker 6 (26:01) kicker is there was another water source you have havasu falls mooney falls and then beaver falls it's a triple threat and beaver falls Speaker 5 (26:09) isn't like this big giant waterfall but it's a series of cascades with little like hippo holes all over the place huge cascade