The Dirrty Truth Behind "Clean" Beauty

Divine Skintervention

The hosts discuss skincare essentials beyond a basic three-step routine, focusing on the benefits of toners, essences, and targeted eye trea

Key takeaways

• Angelo recommends milky toners like Atto Barrier Mist from Estera and Laneige Cream Skin for hydration.
• The hosts argue that 'clean beauty' marketing often relies on the 'appeal to nature' fallacy and can lead to unstable products lacking proper preservatives.

Main topics

• Skincare routine extras
• Eye cream efficacy

Notable quotes

The dose makes the enough poison.

Conclusion

A critical look at how marketing trends in beauty can conflict with de

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:04) Hi, Angela. Hi, Speaker 2 (0:05) Ramon. What? Don't laugh at me. I'm excited to see you. And why wouldn't I be? Speaker 1 (0:13) I'm beautiful. I know. Speaker 2 (0:14) I'm also excited to see all of our friends out there in podcast land. Thank you for joining us every week. And if you're not joining us every week. What are you doing? Yeah. Subscribe to the show wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 1 (0:27) Please and thank you. Question for you. Speaker 2 (0:31) We Speaker 1 (0:31) both. We both. So I'm not just pointing a finger at Angelo. Talk about. Skincare routine at its most simplest, in its most simplest format, three steps. Speaker 2 (0:42) And Speaker 1 (0:42) everything else beyond that, it's extra. It could be beneficial, but it's extra, not required. Speaker 2 (0:46) Yeah, yeah, of course. What Speaker 1 (0:48) is your favorite extra step or product category? Speaker 2 (0:51) Ooh, I would say overall solutions. That's what I call them. So anything that's watery. Speaker 2 (0:59) Toner, essence, facial spray, especially a facial spray because something that I could just like spritz spritz and then rub, I love because I'm usually on the go. And as you all know, my philosophy of slap that shit on works really well with that. Speaker 1 (1:17) Yeah, if it's in a mister format, I live, I love, I laugh. Speaker 2 (1:21) I Speaker 1 (1:22) live, Speaker 2 (1:22) I laugh, I love a good facial spray. Speaker 2 (1:27) And yeah, you could get so many different benefits out of these solutions, these watery liquids. Speaker 1 (1:34) A Speaker 2 (1:34) lot of them recently have been milky toners that's been popular recently. So some favorites. Okay, Atto Barrier Mist from Speaker 1 (1:48) Estera. Speaker 2 (1:49) Estera. The Laneige Cream Skin. which comes both with a mister and you could just like pour it out of the bottle like both sides. Speaker 2 (2:04) And I really like Bioma's milky toner too. Love her. One thing that I would say, and we've had this conversation here before, is that sometimes people ask us, like, do I need a milky toner? And milky is just like a descriptor of what the texture is. It could be loaded with different ingredients. So prequels got a... The exfoliating wear. Milk exfoliator. So that's your. Yeah. So there you go. Could be an exfoliant too that's milky. But usually these are going to be like barrier focused products. Okay. Speaker 1 (2:43) How Speaker 2 (2:43) about you? What's your favorite non-necessary step? Speaker 1 (2:47) I love a toner too. Or even like an essence. I have oily skin, so for me, that lightweight hydration really, really just does Speaker 2 (2:55) it for me. What's the difference between a toner and an essence to you? Marketing. Exactly. Speaker 1 (3:00) To me, I'm looking at viscosity-wise, essences to me are very, they are water-like. A toner, you might have a little bit more body viscosity out of it, either due to a high amount of humectants. So, for example, glycerin itself, it's a very syrupy texture. Or even just a small amount of like a gelling. agent to give a little bit more body in that toner. Speaker 2 (3:23) Hyaluronic acid gets your gel like too if you put a lot of it, right? Yeah. So Speaker 1 (3:27) different humectant, polyglutamic acid. Speaker 2 (3:30) That gets, that comes. Speaker 1 (3:32) Beyond that though, eye creams lately. Speaker 2 (3:35) Eye creams. I have been Speaker 1 (3:37) loving, I've never been a hater of eye creams. I just think it has to be a certain example. But going back to, I have really oily skin. I have really dry under eyes. Speaker 2 (3:45) Oh, okay. Speaker 1 (3:47) So my favorite thing is like if I don't blot throughout the day, my face gets so, so, so oily. But then you see the very clear line of this is like the Sahara Desert. So I always now I like to prep with something that's a little bit more. Speaker 2 (3:59) Something rich. I have been an eye cream hater in the past. And I got to admit, recently I got served one of my old videos from 2020 where I just said eye cream is regular moisturizer with a bigger markup. Speaker 2 (4:17) So here's, let me clarify, okay? I do not think that everybody needs a separate eye cream from their other moisturizer. However, you may have different like concerns that you're treating in the eye area than the rest of the face. So I think particular eye treatments make sense in that case. You don't necessarily need an eye cream that's just a moisturizer to moisturize your eyes. Another thing that I like doing is what I call moisturizing by zone. So for me, I have combination skin and definitely in the colder months here in New York, I will get dryness around my nose, around my eyes, maybe around my mouth. So in general, I'll use maybe like a light to medium weight moisturizer over the entire face, including those areas. And then in my drier areas, I will go in with a thicker moisturizer. Or you could even do this with an ointment like a Vaseline or an Aquaphor. And then go into those areas with that thicker moisturizer. Speaker 1 (5:22) Yeah. For me, where I say like the eye cream, it's situational base is to Angela's point. I don't want something that's purely just hydrating or that it's nothing special. I like really comprehensive formulas. And that's where, A, what are you targeting in that area that you want a dedicated product for? And B, for other people, it's a matter of if you have more sensitive skin, especially in that area, is the eye cream formulated to be more suited for that more sensitive area? So for example, like encapsulated retinoids or something like that. I've been really liking, at nighttime, The Rock. Speaker 1 (6:01) Eye treatment? It's like in the silver. Speaker 2 (6:04) Yeah, yeah. Okay. It's the thing with the applicator. I tried that a few times. I think it's Speaker 1 (6:10) interesting because they, so it's for dark under eyes. And we've talked about it before on the podcast. Dark under eyes can be a result of a lot of different factors. With a specific one from Rock, they try to approach it in any possible, well, they try to approach it to be a solution for any possible source of that dark under eye. And beyond that, they Speaker 2 (6:33) make a good eye stick too. That's it's like vitamin C and peptides. Nice for during the day. I Speaker 1 (6:42) think I have that. I haven't used it yet, but it's cute. So try it out. So I thought a remedy for dark circles and more affordable option. And then the bloom effects one. Oh, she's cute. That inky is stacked. So it's like, what are you targeting that that has an active for anything? Honestly. smoothing, firming, antioxidants, dark circles. Speaker 2 (7:03) The kitchen sink. Speaker 1 (7:04) Literally. And it's like a really nice gel texture. Speaker 2 (7:06) Ooh, cute. Speaker 1 (7:07) Yeah, so eye creams. Speaker 2 (7:08) Yeah. Speaker 1 (7:09) Okay. Ooh, and also my favorite thing with eye creams is I'll apply it around the eye area and then I'll also put some along my lip line. Speaker 2 (7:16) Ooh. Okay, what are you targeting around the lip? Speaker 1 (7:22) Don't know. You want Speaker 2 (7:22) to get big Speaker 1 (7:23) plump ones? Speaker 2 (7:25) DSLs. DSLs? I Speaker 1 (7:28) mean, it's like a lot of eye creams are focused around fine lines and firming and plumping. And I mean, to me, like, yeah, be beneficial for around the lips. Speaker 2 (7:37) What do you think about this tip that people give of like, put hyaluronic acid serum on your lips and then put your lip balm? Speaker 1 (7:45) I do do that. I am notorious for a glossy lip. I can make any lip gloss look just phenomenal. Lip balm even. I mean, look Speaker 2 (7:53) at the material. Speaker 1 (7:56) And my hack is drink water. Take a napkin. Speaker 1 (8:02) exfoliate the lip with a napkin, drink more water to hydrate the lip, and then lip gloss on top of that. So you have like a smooth, hydrated lip base that then the gloss just sits really nicely on top of. My lip gloss is popping. My lip gloss is cute. Speaker 2 (8:17) It always is. Speaker 1 (8:20) Oh, and then back to toners. I like big bottles because I slap that on from head to toe. Speaker 2 (8:25) Oh, yeah. I have been known to tone my entire body. You Speaker 1 (8:29) mentioned the prequel exfoliating one. Love that. That one's spicy, but it feels really velvety on the skin. So I will on the like butt, thighs, torso, legs, everything. Love that product. Speaker 2 (8:43) I have been known if I have like a facial spray that I'm trying to get through, like just spray it all over my body before I moisturize after the shower. Lovely. Soft, supple Speaker 1 (8:56) skin. Another good one is Century Hyaluronic Acid Toner. That's like 500 mils. Speaker 2 (9:03) Isn't the legendary one, the Hada Labo, it's like gigantic? Speaker 1 (9:08) Yeah. I've Speaker 2 (9:09) never used that. Speaker 1 (9:10) She's Speaker 2 (9:11) a Speaker 1 (9:11) cult classic. People don't talk about Japanese skincare the way they should, but that's partially because it stays very consistent. Speaker 2 (9:19) Yeah, I think people should not sleep on Japanese skincare. The Biore sunscreens. A Speaker