‘The Challenge: Cutthroat’ Episode 10 With Tori Deal

Death, Taxes, and Bananas with Johnny Bananas

Johnny Bananas and Tori Deal sit down for a candid podcast episode breaking down the drama, alliances, and strategic shifts in The Challenge: Cutthroat

Key takeaways

• Tori Deal reflects on her evolution from a Red Bull-fueled Are You The One contestant to a seasoned Challenge veteran with multiple finals and a championship win alongside Devin Walker.
• Johnny Bananas and Tori Deal dissect their fractured alliance history, particularly the Season 40 fallout involving Devin Walker, Jordan Wilkins, and Olivia Kelly.

Main topics

• The Challenge Cutthroat Season 42 recap
• Tori Deal and Johnny Bananas rivalry history

Notable quotes

Well-behaved women rarely make history.

Conclusion

The episode serves as both a strategic breakdown of Cutthroat's ongoing

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) you Speaker 1 (0:04) you Speaker 1 (0:24) Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Death, Taxes, and Bananas podcast. You can find us on YouTube at youtube.com slash deathtaxesandbananas. So go ahead and hit the subscribe button so you never miss an episode. Spotify, Death, Taxes, and Bananas with Johnny Bananas. And obviously our Instagram, which I am still trying to get verified. Death, Taxes, and Bananas. Verification process is a... He's a bitch. You just pay $12 a month. Is that how you do it? Yeah. Oh, is that how you got a blue checkmark? I knew there had to be a reason why. Today's guest started her reality television career on Are You The One? Where the objective was to find your perfect match. Fast forward 10 years, and after watching the men she's chosen since, I'm starting to think MTV may need to reopen the investigation. Speaker 1 (1:22) She went from trying to find love in Hawaii to being one of the most undeniably amazing competitors in Challenge history. Eight flagship seasons before Cutthroat. Five finals. A Challenge championship, which we have to put an asterisk next to. Two international and USA seasons with two more finals. Double-digit elimination wins. So she pretty much checks every box on the Challenge. She's athletic. She's fearless. She's charismatic. She's funny. She's got heart. She knows how to cast a spell and put hexes on people. So I might want to cut this. I might want to cut this short here. She knows how to play the social game. She could run a final and she could steal a soul. There is only one glaring weakness in Tori Deal's game. Oh, Speaker 2 (2:15) no. Her Speaker 1 (2:16) taste in men. Speaker 2 (2:16) Her Speaker 1 (2:17) best friend is Devin. Her ex-fiance is Jordan. Fuck you. And this season, her emotional support challenge veteran appears to be CT. Which tells me that no amount of mediation, breath work, or spiritual enlightenment, or hape, can fix everything. Speaker 2 (2:38) She Speaker 1 (2:39) finally got her first Challenge Championship on Ride or Die alongside Devin Walker, beating Nani and myself in a final. And I've always wondered, what was actually tougher as an obstacle in that final? Nani and me? We're Devin's breath. Speaker 2 (2:56) You're such a Speaker 1 (2:57) douchebag. But today, today we're putting the incense away because Tori loves telling everybody how peaceful, grounded, and zen and evolved she's become. But not today. We're going to revisit 10 years of questionable alliances, unresolved banana trauma, season 40 warfare, secret season 42 deals. And eventually, we're putting Tori Deal on the hot seat. So ladies and gentlemen, welcoming her back for the first time since 2024, Mrs. Tori, the teabag, the tour bag, Deal. Speaker 2 (3:39) What an intro! We Speaker 1 (3:41) actually got a new one for you. It's low T. Speaker 2 (3:43) It's low T. That's right. Low testosterone Tori. We Speaker 1 (3:46) were actually on our way over here. Tori didn't realize that women need testosterone. And we were driving over and she's like, can I take a nap in the backseat? I'm like, Tori, I'm going to need you on for this podcast, okay? I Speaker 2 (3:56) was just saving my energy so I could be on. Speaker 1 (3:58) Okay. Speaker 2 (3:58) So I could be prepared to deal with whatever you're going to throw at me right now. Well, I mean, I gave Speaker 1 (4:02) you everything you need. You got a yerba mate. Yeah. You got a... Speaker 1 (4:07) a cherry coke, cherry cola Celsius, which is in fact the best. Speaker 2 (4:13) You handed me some condoms in the car. Don't know what those are for. Waiting to figure that out. Speaker 1 (4:17) I mean, those are because a lot of people don't know this, but Tori and myself, we have a deal. All right. This Speaker 2 (4:23) was a secret. Me and Speaker 1 (4:24) Tori deal have a deal. Shocker. Speaker 2 (4:26) If Speaker 1 (4:27) neither one of us are married in the next, well, I mean, we said three years, like two years ago. We Speaker 2 (4:31) said Speaker 1 (4:31) three Speaker 2 (4:31) years, two years ago. I Speaker 1 (4:32) think it's just going to keep being three years. We're just going to stay three years. We are going to have a baby and we're going to co-parent. Speaker 2 (4:38) We are. In three years. In three years from now. Three years from now. Starting now. Starting Speaker 1 (4:43) now. That'll be fun. Oh Speaker 2 (4:46) my gosh. I just feel like I almost have to walk back out on the zoo. Imagine raising a little you. Speaker 1 (4:52) It would definitely ask my mother. I'm going to Speaker 2 (4:57) need to interview your mom. Speaker 1 (4:58) It would be a very trying situation to deal with, but I think it would make you stronger. Speaker 2 (5:06) That's actually why I want to do it. Speaker 1 (5:08) I Speaker 2 (5:08) want to become even stronger than I already am. This is the last test. Speaker 1 (5:12) They say the steel of a woman is forged in the flames of adversity. Speaker 2 (5:18) I've heard that Speaker 1 (5:20) from... Speaker 2 (5:21) Who said that? Speaker 1 (5:22) Probably me. Speaker 2 (5:22) Yeah. Oh, that's where it came from. Speaker 2 (5:26) Yeah. It's one Speaker 1 (5:27) of my favorite chat GPT quotes. Speaker 2 (5:28) Wow. Speaker 1 (5:29) Let me ask you a question. So now you are 10 years removed from your first appearance on the television screen. Do you even recognize Tori from Are You The One anymore? Speaker 2 (5:41) Tori, Are You The One pulled up with a Red Bull. I pretty much boofed it. Speaker 1 (5:47) You boofed the Red Bull. Speaker 2 (5:49) Pretty much. I was on so much Red Bull that season. You watch the first interview of me, all I'm doing is telling people I can shake my ass, Speaker 1 (5:56) and Speaker 2 (5:56) I'm just, like, smiling. And I'm just, like, I had no idea I was getting myself into. You Speaker 1 (6:01) drank so much Red Bull, your hair was blonde. Speaker 2 (6:03) It turned my hair blonde. Actually, I was green before that. They made me dye a blonde. Speaker 1 (6:08) Stop. Speaker 2 (6:09) I swear to God, they were like, you need to be a blonde. Speaker 1 (6:11) Green from, isn't that what happens if you have blonde hair and you get in the pool? Speaker 2 (6:14) Yeah, but I just dyed it green. You gotta Speaker 1 (6:15) use the purple shampoo. So you intentionally made your hair green? Speaker 2 (6:18) Yeah, it's a long story. Speaker 1 (6:20) Well, we got all day. I was just bored. You were just bored, so you were like, let me go on TV with green hair. Speaker 2 (6:25) Yeah, and then they were like, actually, can you go back blonde? And I was like, yeah, sure. Speaker 1 (6:29) Have you ever thought of dyeing your hair red and putting feathers in it? Please don't ever do that. Speaker 2 (6:34) I am thinking about that. There's somebody that I look up to actually on the show aesthetically and that's my vibe. Speaker 1 (6:40) Jack Sparrow. Speaker 2 (6:41) No. Speaker 1 (6:43) No. Speaker 2 (6:43) No. Carl. Carl. Speaker 1 (6:47) Kara, you know what? Here's what you gotta admire about Kara. And I think I gotta give Derek Kaczynski and Brad the same credit here. Once they find a style, they ain't never changing it. I mean, listen, she knows what she likes to wear. Brad is still wearing combat boots and cargo pants from 2006. He Speaker 2 (7:07) ran in them in Thailand. Speaker 1 (7:09) He ran in them in Thailand. He ran. Speaker 2 (7:12) The whole first leg of that in boots. Speaker 1 (7:15) And I remember him because before we start, obviously, production is so coy with giving us any sort of information because they feel like if they tell us we're going to be doing something somewhat physical, it's going to give the whole show away. Speaker 2 (7:30) So Speaker 1 (7:31) we're in the hotel and they're like, all right, put something on that you would travel in. And we're like. Okay, are we gonna be do like now we're traveling are we gonna be going upstairs? Is this somewhere that we're gonna like I don't know maybe have to jog somewhere They're like just dress comfortably Yeah, Speaker 2 (7:46) and Speaker 1 (7:47) Brad took that as let me dress as if I'm going into fucking World War two a Speaker 2 (7:50) hundred percent I mean I was this close if I hadn't watched the little bit that I had seen of the season before That they were just thrown right into something. I mean I was gonna wear I was gonna look hot I Speaker 1 (8:02) wore And I'm glad they gave us shoes on 41, but I showed up wearing Crocs. This Speaker 2 (8:07) time? Speaker 1 (8:08) No, 41. You ran the first Speaker 2 (8:10) thing in Crocs? This Speaker 1 (8:10) was 42. Speaker 2 (8:11) I don't know where Speaker 1 (8:12) we are. 41. No, we showed up, but they gave us shoes because we were going to be summiting this. They said it was going to be a trail. It was a mountain. But I threw those bad boys in sport mode. I was ready to do it. Speaker 2 (8:23) That's amazing. I was ready Speaker 1 (8:24) to cook in my Crocs. Yeah. But this time around, like you said, I was Speaker 2 (8:29) like, Speaker 1 (8:29) I don't give a shit what I look like. I just need to be comfortable. Speaker 2 (8:31) Yeah. Speaker 1 (8:32) And they started this. I mean, I've talked about this a few times on the podcast. They started that motherfucker out like, I mean, you're going to sprint down this building, 42 stairs, and then teach us that you're going to run through the streets of Bangkok. I'm like, OK, for like a mile. Like, there's no way they're just going to let us run loose in Bangkok. And boy, did they. I Speaker 2 (8:52) just am so mad that they cut out the best part, which was you running into a foot massage parlor. Foot Speaker 1 (8:59) massage. Speaker 2 (9:00) Asking. Women, if you could suck their toes. Speaker 1 (9:06) I mean, there's a few things you have to do when you go to Thailand. And from what I've heard, and one of them is you got to you got to you got to go into one of the massage parlor. Speaker 2 (9:16) Like Speaker 1 (9:16) imagine Speaker 2 (9:16) being a woman in Thailand working at a parlor and then seeing you run in with a camera on you. Like, what do you even think? Speaker 1 (9:23) Here's the thing. I'm I'm always like the way that I I always am thinking from like a producer's. Standpoint right and like this would be a porn producer standpoint exactly right. I'm running down the street I see on the corner a cameraman posted up with his little gimbal and there just so happens to be a massage parlor right Right there and I was supposed to turn the corner. I was like how funny would be that instead? I just go into the he followed me in I Speaker 2 (9:48) know they all Speaker 1 (9:49) their feet and like bathtub Speaker 1 (9:53) And they didn't make the episode. You Speaker 2 (9:55) like salt burn it. You start like sucking the foot water. Speaker 1 (9:59) Unbelievable. Drinking the bath water. Drinking the bath Speaker 2 (10:02) water. All of it cut out. Didn't make the editing floor. Speaker 1 (10:05) We'll talk about it later. They've cut a lot of really good things out. Like, I mean, obviously this is fast forwarding all the way to the last episode. But, dude, before your UFC training, I duct taped cushions to my entire body. Head to toe. Speaker 2 (10:20) Literally. You looked like I don't even know how to describe what you looked like. It was pillows. It was pillows. I Speaker 1 (10:27) look like Optimus. I look like low budget Optimus Prime instead of being like a machine. I was just covered in cushions. Speaker 2 (10:35) And it turned into not just me hitting you. Everyone then wanted to get me. Everybody wanted to get a punch in. Speaker 1 (10:41) That happens to me a lot. Did you remember my birth? Remember my 40th birthday? Speaker 2 (10:44) Oh, when Horatio was like trying to Speaker 1 (10:47) suffocate you in a cake. And everyone beat the shit out of me with like. bananas and pillows. Like, I got jumped. Speaker 2 (10:52) You just have that kind of energy. You have a Speaker 1 (10:55) punchable face. You have Speaker 2 (10:56) a punchable energy. I Speaker 1 (10:58) think a lot of people out there would agree. Especially if they watch Big Brother. Speaker 2 (11:03) Oh, God. Speaker 1 (11:04) Alright, so you obviously had this, you know, this persona when you came on. Rapper, pop culture personality. Never. A little bit. That Speaker 2 (11:14) never Speaker 1 (11:14) happened. And then, what did you think? And then, was that? Because here's what I love about you. I've seen the evolution of you went from like a teabag to like a full-blown tour bag. Speaker 2 (11:26) Yeah, I did, didn't I? And Speaker 1 (11:28) I got to say, like, I'm really, I, as a friend and as, you know, sometimes enemy and a frenemy, whatever you want to call it, like, I've really enjoyed watching your evolution. Speaker 2 (11:40) Thanks, man. And I Speaker 1 (11:41) feel like this season, like, you really came into your own. Oh, Speaker 2 (11:43) I came into something. And it wasn't fun. Speaker 2 (11:47) It wasn't fun. No, it's been, you know, it really has been a journey. I mean, really, I was trying to be a rapper. That's why I went on TV. I was like, I'm going to make it big. Speaker 1 (11:56) Yeah. And Speaker 2 (11:56) now I'm just like, you couldn't. Oh, God, I see any clip of me rapping and I'm just like. Speaker 1 (12:01) OK, but how old were you when you when you first started your journey? Which one? The TV? Just TV in general. Twenty three. OK, so me too. Speaker 2 (12:08) Yeah. Speaker 1 (12:08) And I feel the same way. Like people are like. do you ever watch old episodes yourself? I'm like, no, because it makes my skin crawl. Speaker 2 (12:16) Yeah, it's awful. You're like, ew, like I have to have that documented? Speaker 1 (12:19) Yeah. Speaker 2 (12:20) No, Speaker 1 (12:20) it's Speaker 2 (12:20) bad. Speaker 1 (12:20) Well, Speaker 2 (12:21) I Speaker 1 (12:21) just, Buda Murray out of nowhere just decides to post my audition tape from the real world the other day. I Speaker 2 (12:26) saw that. They Speaker 1 (12:27) don't even tell me. And they've been telling me for years because I've asked them. I'm like, guys, I really want to see like my audition tape. And they're like, yeah, we don't know where it is. It's fucking someone lost it. It's in the files somewhere. And then they just post it out of nowhere. And I'm watching this and I'm like. Oh my. Speaker 2 (12:40) You're like, actually, maybe I don't want Speaker 1 (12:41) to see it. Jesus, what did you see in this guy? Speaker 2 (12:43) Yeah. Speaker 1 (12:44) I think it was me hitting my roommate in the nuts with a club dressed as Bam Bam. That's what. Punchable energy. I remember telling myself, too, I'm like, I just want to look, I just want to be different. I don't care what they think of me. I just want to stand out. And I guess the Scooby Doo and Bam Bam thing. I Speaker 2 (13:00) also feel like you couldn't help it if you tried to not stand out. Yeah. It's just who you are. Speaker 1 (13:06) I mean, I am wearing this pretty sweet shirt available at realjohnnybananas.com. Speaker 2 (13:09) Oh, it's for sale? Speaker 1 (13:11) Yeah. Speaker 2 (13:12) Nice. Yeah, yeah. I can get you a Speaker 1 (13:14) discount. Speaker 2 (13:14) I'd like a discount. You have a friends and family discount? For Speaker 1 (13:17) sure. Awesome. 20%. Sick. Yeah. I work at Hot Topic, too, so we're going to be selling these there as well. Speaker 2 (13:22) Oh, wow. Speaker 1 (13:23) All right. So, five finals before this season, a championship, 10-plus elimination wins, and... Like coming into this season. And I mean, I get this question a lot all the time too. Do you feel like you still had things, like what did you have to prove? Did you have to prove to anybody else that you still had it? Did you have to prove to yourself? Like what was your why coming into this season? I Speaker 2 (13:48) feel like you really don't have to prove anything anymore. You can't win seven times and then, I guess I'm wrong. You are wrong. You have definitely been in the game for so long and you have so many accolades. I feel like I'm still... still trying to earn my respect. But Speaker 1 (14:07) I think that's a good mindset to have. And I think what's good about that, and I know you've seen this too, I think one of the worst things that can happen to people on their rookie season or early season is to make it all the way to the end. Speaker 2 (14:18) Yeah. Speaker 1 (14:19) Because then they take for granted how... Or win. Or just make it. I'm just saying, even make it to a final. I mean, I Speaker 2 (14:25) made it to a final my first season, but... Oh, Speaker 1 (14:27) did you? Speaker 2 (14:27) Yeah, but to lose... What was your first? Dirty 30. Dirty Speaker 1 (14:31) 30. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. to lose. But I'm just saying, Speaker 2 (14:35) okay, Speaker 1 (14:35) regardless, I feel like you've taken it the right, like you've, your journey and like what you've taken from the experience, I think, is what you should take away from it, which is, this is very difficult. Speaker 2 (14:48) It's so hard. Speaker 1 (14:48) And nothing comes easy and you don't know what is going to happen every season and it doesn't matter how good your plan is, how strong your alliance is, how good your strategy is, what position you have in the game, Speaker 2 (14:58) it Speaker 1 (14:59) could change on a dime and you have to be You know, you always have to. I Speaker 2 (15:04) mean, it takes so much luck. Speaker 1 (15:05) Yeah. I Speaker 2 (15:06) mean, think about it. Like, how many times have you made it far and then all of a sudden it was just like something crazy happened? Or Speaker 1 (15:12) vice versa. Or vice versa. Like this season. Speaker 2 (15:14) Yeah. Speaker 1 (15:15) I'm sitting there looking at these other teams and I'm like, all right, we're good. Like, team orange, like, we're stacked. But then you had gray and you had even like, you know, like blue. You had, you know, Leo and Josh and Nelson. You had sort of a strong team. And then overnight. Within 24 hours, you had four people just clipped. Speaker 2 (15:32) Fucking unprecedented is the only word for it. And the thing about that, there's Speaker 1 (15:40) so many people out there that are so critical of the direction the season's taken. They're like, oh, you know, it had so much momentum. It was such a good season. Then, you know, after everyone went home, it just doesn't. And I'm like, guys, we have no control over that. Yeah, no. Shit happens. Right. You know, we couldn't have predicted that. Speaker 2 (15:58) We were all, I mean, I have never seen production so disheveled before. Like, it was insane. Nobody could have predicted that. It was Sydney went home because of an injury. Then Corey went home because of a family problem, obviously, and shout out to his family and that his daughter's healthy. And then, like, the code of conduct situation. So it's just, like, five people. Five. They don't make room for that. There was only 24 people on the cast. I Speaker 1 (16:21) know. Split Speaker 2 (16:22) between three teams. And Speaker 1 (16:23) the other thing that's unfortunate about this, the episode, the Paramount episode, the battle for honor. Trial by combat. Trial by combat. Battle for honor. Speaker 2 (16:36) Battle Speaker 1 (16:36) for honor. That was something different. That was supposed to be a men's and women trial by combat elimination. Depending Speaker 2 (16:46) on who was captain. Speaker 1 (16:47) Yeah. Speaker 2 (16:47) Well, yeah, I mean, that's what we assume. And Speaker 1 (16:49) that, well, it would have been. I'm just saying, if there would have been guy captains, I think in the original plan, Speaker 2 (16:55) the Speaker 1 (16:55) plan was to have female and male mercenaries. You Speaker 2 (16:59) know what my thought was? Because there was only two eliminations. So, like, if there was three teams, there would have been three captains. So what would have the third, would it have been? Speaker 1 (17:07) Balls in it? I mean, uh. Hall brawl? Hall brawl. Speaker 2 (17:10) You think they saved that for the guys? Speaker 1 (17:13) No, I think it would have been the same for girls and guys. It would have been the same three eliminations for both. So Speaker 2 (17:18) they just cut Hall-Braw out. Speaker 1 (17:19) Because I knew that when TJ announced that you guys were full-time captains, I knew that there was going to have to be some sort of a twist. Because it was like, wait a minute. So now that they're captains, they just get to chill the entire season. And what's funny is you see the look on everyone's face once TJ announces that twist. Like, all right, try by combat. Even though Kara's like, I want to do this. No, you don't. Speaker 2 (17:43) Yeah. Speaker 1 (17:44) No, you do not. I Speaker 2 (17:45) mean, I was, yeah, I mean, we'll get into it, obviously. Speaker 1 (17:48) Okay, so then at what point, and I know the answer, my own answer to this, but at what point do you finally start like considering yourself like one of the best and one of the elites on the female side in challenge history? I Speaker 2 (18:05) don't think you can do it without having a win. So I knew I needed to get a win. But I don't know. You play long enough. You go into enough physical stuff. Like I've done all of the headbanger eliminations. I've won plenty of daily challenges by myself or with a partner. And I've made it to back-to-back-to-back finals. Speaker 1 (18:26) So Speaker 2 (18:27) it's like, okay, enough time has been put in and there's been enough data to pull from that the accolades are growing. And Speaker 1 (18:35) you got that dog in you. And Speaker 2 (18:36) I got that dog in Speaker 1 (18:37) me. Speaker 1 (18:39) And here's the other thing. What most people, everyone always wants to boil down the challenge and the challenge greats or what are considered the best people on the challenge. They want it to all boil down to the athletic and physical nature of the show, which obviously you have to have in order to stay in the game. But I think what is obviously, and this is proven by the show and how much time they spend on it. The social game and just like what you bring to TV and the entertainment value is so important as well. And you have those bases covered as well. You Speaker 2 (19:19) know, thank you so much. I feel like I have learned so much from you and not in a good way. Speaker 1 (19:25) There aren't many people who can. There aren't many people that learn good things from me. Not in Speaker 2 (19:29) a good way because I like, well, I'll do something. I was like, damn, I did that just to be entertaining. That's so bananas of me. And Speaker 1 (19:36) that's what I'm saying. This season, I was so proud of you because you're like, because, and people do it. There are certain people that show up and they're so worried about if I make this move, how is it going to affect my game? My mindset is if I make this move, how is it going to affect the show? Speaker 2 (19:52) I mean, but I do think that even when we've gone head to head, that's where we kind of have this respect for, okay, we are trying to keep the show entertaining. Yes. Speaker 1 (20:02) And Speaker 2 (20:02) at some point, the friendship will be put on the line for that. Speaker 1 (20:05) You're talking about 40. Speaker 2 (20:06) Maybe I'm talking about 40. I'm talking about 40. Maybe I'm Speaker 1 (20:09) talking about 40. But here's what most people don't realize is that 40 was, in my eyes, sort of a culmination of like... like this this kind of this trend that had happened prior to 40 where I felt like no matter how much like I rode for you or no matter how tight we were when push came to shove and you had a choice between me or fill in the blank you always chose fill in the blank yeah Speaker 2 (20:38) going Speaker 1 (20:38) back to Jordan well World of Worlds 2 oh okay who did I pick Pauly and Cara Speaker 2 (20:44) Oh my God, well, he's sworn his family's life. He wasn't going to put you in. How was I supposed to believe? Speaker 1 (20:48) I'm like, guys, if you make, I was like, guys, if you make Pauly the fucking captain, I'm going in. You're like, no, no, no. We got you. Next day, you're out doing yoga with him. I'm like, what Speaker 2 (20:59) the hell is going on Speaker 1 (21:00) here? Then CBS World, after you and I had arguably one of the most. Iconic. Iconic and just underrated challenge performances where we basically threw down. That was so good. We get to the end, you're like, bananas, I'm going to say your name. Speaker 2 (21:21) I'm like, what the fuck? Did I say your name? Speaker 1 (21:24) Yeah, well, no, you end up saying Josh's, but only because I made you feel really bad. You Speaker 2 (21:28) did make me feel really bad. I didn't know how to maneuver through that. I was like riding with all you guys and I knew I was everyone's number one girl. And I have like all of these guys and I'm like, how do I maneuver through this right now? And Speaker 1 (21:38) then 40. Now, obviously, all three of these circumstances were different. But then we get to 40 and I felt like I had my own whatever pre-existing beef with Devin that predated. OK, but 38. Don't skip over the season where we had a good season. We did have a good season. So Speaker 2 (21:53) let's remember the good times. Well, Speaker 1 (21:55) we had a good season because I feel like, okay. Because you came in and saved the day. Hold on. I feel like you played a straight up game. I don't feel like Devin did. I feel like that whole game, Devin was so, it was like me and him roomed together. So I fed him basically all the information he needed. Right? Mm-hmm. But it didn't go the other way because he would be privy to information that I didn't know. And the reason I knew is because we'd come back from a challenge and I'm sitting there like, dude, is it going to be us? Am I in the hot seat? And he's in the room like, oh, dude, I don't know if it's going to be me. Two seconds later, he's out crushing beers and playing pool. I'm like, you know it's not you. Speaker 2 (22:32) Yeah. Speaker 1 (22:33) So he'd know. I Speaker 2 (22:34) think that you and Devin have a history. I think you and I have one. And then I think that at some point we all kind of got tangled. Speaker 1 (22:42) Yeah, but we got tangled. you tangled yourself in mine and Devin's history. I've never done that before. Oh, yeah, you did. I've never done such a thing. And again, just going back to you fucking having that dog in you, you were willing to throw your entire game on the line to be, yeah. Because once me and Devin started beefing on 40, and again, we don't need to go back and, you know, re-litigate what was said and was it... whatever Wyatt was said, what Olivia said. Are you sure Speaker 2 (23:13) you don't want to do that? Seems like you do. Speaker 1 (23:15) Do you want to? No, I don't. I really don't. No, I'm saying the aftermath of that was, and this is what I told you when I was hiding in the closet the one day when you came in. Or wait, was it Michelle that came in? Who was I hiding in the closet from? It Speaker 2 (23:29) was Speaker 1 (23:29) Michelle. It was Michelle. My whole thing was like, yes, Tori, you're friends with me. You're friends with him. If anything, you should just extricate yourself from this situation. Let us fight amongst each other and settle it. But you chose your friendship with him over your friendship with me. But Speaker 2 (23:50) this goes back to what I said in the beginning. Which Speaker 1 (23:52) is? Speaker 2 (23:52) We're not boring. Speaker 1 (23:55) Okay, so what you're saying is in that moment, you're like, you know what? This is going to make for a great storyline. This has nothing to do with my friendship with these two. This is going to make a great storyline. That's why even from the grave, even after Devin was gone, you're like, I'm going to keep playing his game. It Speaker 2 (24:12) felt invigorating. Speaker 1 (24:15) Yeah? Speaker 2 (24:15) Yeah, I was just like, you know what? Let's