#1162- Utah And Wyomings Secret Underground Tunnels

Cult of Conspiracy

The episode explores the hidden underground landscapes of Wyoming and Utah, focusing on both industrial mining and historical secrets. The h

Key takeaways

• Wyoming's trona industry generates approximately $1.5 billion annually, significantly outpacing coal production.
• Trona mining in Wyoming involves deep shafts exceeding 1,600 feet and carries risks like silicosis from dust exposure.

Main topics

• Wyoming Trona Mining
• Utah Gilsonite Veins

Notable quotes

The price of admission was paid a long time ago.

Conclusion

A fascinating look at how industrial necessity and historical social s

Transcript preview

Speaker 6 (0:17) Welcome to the show. This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and I am the Cajun Knight. I'm Raven Speaker 7 (0:22) Lee. Speaker 6 (0:23) And today we are going to be circling back to our Underground Tunnels episode series situation that we've been having going kind of off and on for the past couple of months. And that's not going anywhere. We have so many to go through, to be honest with Speaker 7 (0:36) you. And then we have the bases that we're going to hit. We Speaker 6 (0:40) got the nuke bases we're going to be hitting. We got cryptids per states. We got all kinds of shit, y'all. We're never going to run out of things to talk about. There's so much to go over. Speaker 7 (0:47) And Speaker 6 (0:48) with that, we last left off with Nevada, Idaho, and Montana? Speaker 7 (0:54) Wyoming. Speaker 6 (0:55) Wyoming. Wait, no. No, no. Montana. And today we are going to go just south and we're going to be talking about Wyoming and we're going to be talking about Utah. And to be honest, specifically when it comes to Utah, my mind instantly goes to secret Mormon tunnels. They have to. There's no way that the Mormons don't have tunnels all throughout Salt Lake City in Utah without ever looking into the topic before. Come to find out. Correct. Check in the box. But there's a lot more to the underground of Utah than what we originally thought. And the same could be said about Wyoming. Speaker 7 (1:30) To be fair, I didn't really actually think there was going to be much about Wyoming, but there is. Same with Montana. Speaker 6 (1:35) I was not expecting a whole lot in Montana. Holy fuck. Speaker 7 (1:38) There's a lot that happened. There's a lot. Like a lot of shit that went down from like the 1840s on up. There's been some crazy shit. And of course, we find ourselves back with the prostitution and the opium dens. China tunnels, Speaker 5 (1:50) baby. And Speaker 7 (1:51) all the things, except we're not Shanghai people as of I haven't found anything. Well, we might find some Shanghai. Well, to be fair, though, a lot of people were being thrown onto the railroads and being shipped out to the West Coast. So is that technically Shanghai-ing? Speaker 6 (2:07) I guess it depends on the time frame, right? Because think about when the... It was usually the Asian Americans or the Asian immigrants that were building the railroad itself. So if you were going to Shanghai somebody on a train after it's built, you know what I'm saying? I could see that as a possibility. But if you're pretty much... slave laboring some poor chinaman into indentured servitude on the railroad then like that is technically human trafficking as well so it's like it depends on the uh the scope i suppose but yes to both sure i could see why not but all right so long story short we are going to be getting into utah we are going to be getting into wyoming we are going to go ahead and get that started and i'm going to share the screen we're going to start talking about it but if you would like to see our faces, see all the videos, all the articles, all the actual proof and evidence that we have brought to the table, rather than just hear us talk about it, then what you want to do is go to patreon.com slash cult of conspiracy podcast. Not only is it the only place to see our videos, but it's also the only place to get these shows absolutely commercial free, y'all. Commercials suck. Advertisements suck. We know that. Kick those ads out of here. 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We do have another tier that top tier, that manic tier. And not only will you be getting everything that I just listed, you will also be receiving exclusive merchandise mailed directly to you from us as a massive token of our appreciation. This merch will never be available on any online store ever. This is only for the manic tier homies. And as a special treat, the next manic member that signs up will be getting this signed koozie from Raven Lee and myself in their bag. Again, just a massive thank you for supporting us. We honestly could not thank y'all enough. And of course, all the Patreon. There are so many chats. I didn't realize there were so many private chats. I turn my back for one second. Ravenly creates. We Speaker 7 (4:35) have a few chats. I'm not mad at Speaker 6 (4:37) it. It's phenomenal that our cult members have a community in and of themselves. But still, I was like, wait, how many chat Speaker 7 (4:42) groups do we have now? Yeah, so we have a few because we decided that we wanted to kind of, everybody kind of weighed in and wanted certain chats. So we have now the religious chat. Speaker 6 (4:52) The last one I heard was the manic to your chat. Only for the ManicTier members. Only Speaker 7 (4:55) for ManicTier. We Speaker 6 (4:56) had the book club chat. Yep. We had the recipe sharing chat. And then the last word I heard was that we kind of just made a whole encompassing. All right. Yep. Speaker 7 (5:03) Where are we at now? Now we have the religious chat as of this morning. The Jew is monitoring it because it's all about the rules. Speaker 6 (5:10) Yo, we are going to get so much shit that we have a Jew moderating one of our chats. We're obviously bought by Israel. Speaker 7 (5:17) Jesus Christ. To be fair, though, it was actually Royce's idea. I'm going to be really honest with everyone. Yeah. Royce asked me. He said, you know, he was like, hey, so we have a lot of people that want to have religious conversations with each other. What do you think about this? He sent it to me and we chatted about it for a minute. I was like, you know what? Fuck it. I was like, you know what? We all know that I'm just not huge on like having the constant religious conversation. I don't mind religion. It's just not my vibe. So I was like, you know what? The rule following Jew would be the good person to watch over this. And we joked about it. That's hilarious. He introduced himself as rules, rules, and rules. I'm always watching. And I was like, and I said the same thing. I said the Jew is watching. So now the rules must be followed. So again, Speaker 6 (5:58) it was Speaker 7 (5:58) a whole funny joke and they have been blowing it up. They're having all sorts of debates and conversations, you know, and it's great. And so we have had a couple of people really want us to do a dream chat as well, but we haven't got there. Speaker 6 (6:10) A dream chat. A dream chat. Yes, because we Speaker 7 (6:12) have. members of the cult so a lot of these are open for all tiers um so that everyone can chat together and form a better community and we have had quite a few members in the manic chat would like to discuss dreams with everyone else because people have been visiting the mall y'all and oh shit Yes, multiple people. Multiple Speaker 6 (6:30) people have stopped at the Persian gold shop. Yeah, so the mall Speaker 7 (6:34) has been entering into the dreamscapes of everyone in the cults. So we are all discussing this. I don't want to get crazy with all the chats right now. So as of right now, we are stopped at the religious, nonspecific chat. But, you know, they are, as long as everyone's cool, everyone is chatting it up and having a good time being able to discuss all sorts of things. So come join us, by the way. Speaker 6 (6:57) Y'all know that I am more of a religious person. I've never been shy about that. However, on the occasion that religion enters its way into the conversation because of a topic we happen to be looking at that has religion somehow intertwined with it. Okay, cool. I get it. Not everybody likes hearing long form religious talks and debates. I completely get that. I completely respect that. That being said, we do have this chat group on the Patreon, but also Cajun Night. My other show that I host every Wednesday night at 9 p.m. Central, we talk geopolitics, but we also talk religion. We talk history. We talk whatever the fuck we want to do. So. And some of that is conspiratorial. And even on the cage, and I will say not to get too conspiratorial, but we might even do an episode on the cult about this. And a couple of those we have, by the way, but mostly it's just the shit that I geek out over. So if you do want to have long form religious conversation or talk geopolitics or talk new cutting edge military tech or what it likes, things that are more specific in that realm. Cajun night. Come check me out. Patreon.com slash Cajun night. There's only one tier for entry. We do it every Wednesday night at 9 p.m. Central. It's a blast. I also release them on my YouTube channel as well as the Patreon. And y'all know I drop that on Thursdays on this channel as well. But Speaker 7 (8:11) also our Patreon has. We drop a lot of other things on the Patreon. We do. A lot of our Speaker 6 (8:16) affiliates. Speaker 7 (8:16) Well, not just that. I was going to say that we drop pictures. We drop videos. We drop conversations. I ask questions. We have different sparks of ideas and things like that. So it is a consistent and constant way of communication. Speaker 6 (8:31) Yeah, it didn't used to be. I'll be very honest with y'all. Back in the early days of when we first got a Patreon, we had no, as we've said, we had no clue what the fuck we were doing. And we didn't know, I didn't realize that Patreon is being used as a, basically a paid social media platform these days. People are just like posting. I open Patreon and I see just like I can scroll a feed. Since when does Patreon have a fucking feed? Six months ago. Speaker 5 (8:55) This Speaker 6 (8:55) is apparent. This is the way. This is what's happening. So we are very, very active on our Patreon. I know for any of our listeners that maybe a couple of years ago, y'all checked us out. We weren't too active. We are a different cult these days. We're very active in this motherfucker. We appreciate all of you good cult members who have checked us out over at the Patreon. And without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and share the screen and let's start with the conversation of the underground cities. And for that, we are going to get started with the conversation about Wyoming. So this quick little clip. is about the quote-unquote official narrative. This is the longest tunnel that Wyoming has allegedly on paper that the government, everybody is acknowledging, oh yeah, I know about that tunnel. So we're going to do that for both of these states. With Wyoming and Utah, we're going to go ahead and play this little clip for each of those to talk about that specific tunnel, and then we're going to get into the nitty-gritty. Let's go. Speaker 2 (9:46) Shoshone Canyon Tunnels. The Shoshone Canyon Tunnels are the rugged front door to Yellowstone. Born from Buffalo Bill Cody's vision of transforming the dry west. While the nearby 325-foot Buffalo Bill Dam was the world's tallest in 1910, the most dangerous work happened underground. Workers hit lethal pockets of methane and hydrogen sulfide from geothermal activity. Mixed with black powder smoke, the air became toxic, killing multiple workers by asphyxiation. In 1959, the effort produced a 537-foot highway bore. then the longest in the western United States. Carved through ancient crystalline rock, these tunnels stay a silent hard-won gateway for millions of modern visitors. The price of admission was paid a long time ago. What about every U.S. state's most Speaker 6 (10:35) So, as we just read, there is an official narrative. There is a storyline to say that, yes, Wyoming has some underground tunnels. Here's the history of it. But we're going to go ahead and dive in on this cult conspiracy way here. So now we take a look at Wyoming's world of Toronto, 1600 feet underground. Speaker 7 (10:52) It's a weird word. I Speaker 6 (10:53) think. So Raven Lee is the one that found this article. I haven't read it yet. And I think that this might be like bat poop. Like we say guana or something or something close to it. So I don't know. It's Speaker 7 (11:03) a natural occurring sodium carbide. Okay. Speaker 6 (11:06) So it's Speaker 7 (11:07) a Speaker 6 (11:07) mineral deposit then. Speaker 7 (11:08) Yeah. It's a mineral deposit. Fair Speaker 6 (11:11) enough. So this is from WyomingPublicMedia.org. So a giant rectangular cage lowered miner Kate Pitt. Oh, excuse me. Kale Pitt. They named him Kale and his last name's Pitt. Speaker 6 (11:24) Bro. Speaker 7 (11:25) Oh, my God. Speaker 6 (11:26) Because avocado was taken. Holy shit. Kale. Bro, I guarantee he has a brother named Abacadu. He must. Speaker 7 (11:35) Oh, my gosh. I'm sorry. That is Speaker 6 (11:37) so ridiculous. His parents, they wanted this boy to have a hard life. Poor Kale. Poor Speaker 7 (11:43) fucking Kale. R.I.P. Kale. Speaker 6 (11:49) Oh my God. If you're listening and that's actually pronounced Calais, I'm sorry, but like, like whatever, dude. Speaker 7 (11:56) Oh Speaker 6 (11:56) my God. Calais pit actually. Boy, I'll Speaker 2 (11:59) name Speaker 6 (11:59) kale. Speaker 6 (12:03) Your parents could have named you fucking lettuce. It Speaker 7 (12:05) could have been Dirt Pit. Speaker 6 (12:06) It Speaker 7 (12:06) could Speaker 6 (12:06) have been Joe Dirt. Like real shit. Speaker 7 (12:10) Yo, I met a kid named Stump. I wish to God I was lying about this. Speaker 6 (12:16) Stump. S-T-O-M-P. Speaker 7 (12:19) Stump? Speaker 6 (12:20) But pronounced Stump? Yep. Wow. Yep. Speaker 7 (12:23) It Speaker 6 (12:23) was Speaker 7 (12:23) pronounced Stump, except it wasn't spelled that way. Were they Speaker 6 (12:28) white people? I feel like they were white people. Speaker 7 (12:31) Oh, they were? They were Hispanic. Speaker 6 (12:34) No. Okay, is that... I gotta know what the equivalent is. Stomp? Spelled stomp in Spanish to English. Let that please be like Dark Rider or some crazy shit that I'm just unaware of. Like, okay. I bet that kid was the epitome of a stomp, wasn't he? Speaker 7 (12:54) He was a very unique child. No, yeah. It was funny because I was like, When I saw it first, I was like, stomp the yard. I was like, stomp the yard. But then I was like, he's there. Like, no, it's stump. I bet that Speaker 6 (13:08) could dance too. I Speaker 7 (13:10) was like, stomp. Speaker 6 (13:11) Stomp. Speaker 7 (13:12) I just can't. Okay. But that's phenomenal. It was the weirdest thing ever. And I was like, hmm, that is a name. Were Speaker 6 (13:18) they like first gen? Like the parents had like a thick accent? Speaker 7 (13:22) No. Speaker 6 (13:22) Oh my God. This gets better. No, Speaker 7 (13:24) they were like, I don't know what. Look, they were, I feel like they were from across the river. Speaker 7 (13:30) They Speaker 6 (13:31) were Hispanic. From where, bro? Fucking Shreveport, I swear. For Speaker 7 (13:35) those of you that don't understand that reference, I'm sorry. It's a Louisiana thing. You'd understand it. Bro, Speaker 6 (13:40) we're over on the east side, man. It's some west side Cajuns. What you mean? They named their kids Stone. Speaker 7 (13:47) Oh, sorry. We got off in the weeds. All right. Recover yourself and read the damn kale. Kale pit. Speaker 6 (13:56) They had their cousin fucking Alligator Gar over there. You know what I'm saying? Like, hey, it's his legal name. Ah, wah, wah. Speaker 4 (14:04) Alligator. Speaker 6 (14:06) Allie. And my daughter Allie and my son Gator. Bro, you for real, wah. Speaker 7 (14:12) We are really mature human beings. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. White people be naming crazy shit, too, though. Yo. Fucking Meadowstorm. Do Speaker 6 (14:21) you know how many bears I've met? Like a child, a small white child named Bear? Speaker 7 (14:26) Okay, I really like the name Wolf. But it's W-U-L-F. Okay, Speaker 6 (14:31) Raven. But Speaker 7 (14:32) it's from a book, everyone. It's from a book. I bet Speaker 6 (14:35) Stump is, too. I'm sure. There's a whole Mexican legend of stomp. Stump Speaker 7 (14:41) got his long, Speaker 6 (14:41) broad Speaker 7 (14:42) sword. Speaker 6 (14:43) Yo, he pulled out his fucking stomp. You know what I'm saying? Speaker 7 (14:47) All right, get back to the fucking article. Get back to the article. Speaker 6 (14:50) He bashed in the Speaker 7 (14:50) French Speaker 6 (14:50) with a club, man. Yeah. The legend of stomp. Speaker 7 (14:56) I can't. Speaker 6 (14:57) Okay. We're back. We're back to Wyoming. Sorry, Speaker 7 (15:00) everyone. ADD. Anyway, Speaker 6 (15:01) sorry. Kale pit. Dude, we got like eight words in before we lost it on kale pit. You Speaker 7 (15:09) lost it on kale pit. Speaker 6 (15:10) I'm sorry. God, Speaker 7 (15:11) we are the most mature podcast that's ever existed. Speaker 6 (15:14) Why can't we name our children normal? They don't always have to be George. Joseph, Speaker 7 (15:19) what? You want everyone to be fucking biblical names? Not even biblical. Speaker 6 (15:22) Although, yes, I'm a little partial. Let's take biblical to the side. Okay, let's take all religious. I don't want to see any of it. Okay, no Mohammeds. None of the just normal classic names that would have been in season a hundred years ago. Let's just try that. Speaker 7 (15:36) Octavia is a weird name, but that was actually my, and I was actually going to name my daughter Octavia because that's actually a family name of mine. If Speaker 6 (15:43) you're going to get honest with that one, though, that has Roman origins. Like that's a feminine Roman name. Yeah, we Speaker 7 (15:49) have like five Octavias throughout my family. Speaker 6 (15:52) Which is crazy to be honest with you. Speaker 7 (15:54) I didn't know that, by the way. I picked that name and then my grandma was like, you do know that like your great grandma was Octavia, right? And I was like, no. No, Speaker 6 (16:02) so Octavius was a Caesar at one point. Octavia is the female version of it. So, like, hell yeah. But Speaker 7 (16:08) that's classic as fuck. All right, we got to get back to these tunnels. These people don't give a shit about the damn names. I'm Speaker 6 (16:13) sorry, y'all. You got Speaker 7 (16:14) to be more mature. Speaker 6 (16:15) Whatever, dude. Anyway, Kale Pitt's getting lowered into a fucking hole in the ground. And his hard hat from the desert of southwest Wyoming into the underground world of Toronto mining. Tiny light at the very bottom is where we're headed, a little over 1,600 feet down. Good God. Down there are remnants of Wyoming's prehistoric subtropical past. This corner of the state was once crawling with alligators and turtles. 50 million years ago, there was a giant lake which helped form layers of Toronto, some of the world's largest deposits. So this is Toronto that I'm looking at right now. It's like a crystal. Speaker 7 (16:53) I have a couple of them. Really? Yes. Speaker 6 (16:56) So for like, is there spiritual significance behind this or is it more of like a super... I got Speaker 7 (17:01) given them actually. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Speaker 6 (17:03) Okay. So it is a whitish, flaky, translucent mineral. Globally, many rely on Wyoming for it. Wow. Because it goes into everyday things like windows, beer bottles, laundry detergent, and deodorant. Really? Mm-hmm. Okay. On this day, Pitt helped pull back the curtain, showing a pair of reporters the downstairs of the operation at Tata Chemicals. Okay, that was a very innuendo heavy sentence. I think that was done specifically and on purpose. Anyway, I'm just saying, pull back the curtain, showing a pair of reporters downstairs of the operation of Tata Chemicals. Speaker 7 (17:39) It's actually a crystal used for... For healing purposes, releasing old fear and anger and aligning its solar plexus and third eye chakras. Speaker 6 (17:47) So it does have spiritual significance. Okay. And seriously, y'all, one of these days, I want to get some sort of a rock expert on here to explain scientifically how much backing these claims have. And I'm not saying that to debunk it. I know there's a geologist that's done like a hippie geologist. They got to exist, y'all. I know one's out there. You know, Speaker 7 (18:05) my boy and his wife and his son. They're called We Dig, by the way. Everyone go shout out to them. They come all across the country. They are an amazing family that digs. You can follow them on Facebook and Instagram and you can buy their stuff. He is so knowledgeable about rocks. Like it's unreal. And they go all everywhere to any kind of little con they can. And they're really cool. They go everywhere and sell that they can and dig where they can. And they're a beautiful little family. So please check them out. Shout out to them. Dude, Speaker 6 (18:33) if we can get them on the show, just to say like, okay, so the reason why this chakra, is related to this rock and why physically this rock has properties that can do bop, bop, bop, which is why on the spiritual side, bop, bop, bop. Like if he could actually break that down, because I guarantee there's got to be something. With the amount of people that are like that big into rocks and have been for so long, there's no way that there's no kind of science to back up these claims. You know what I mean? I Speaker 7 (19:00) guess we're looking at the deep dive that I'm doing next. Speaker 6 (19:03) Okay. I've been a Speaker 7 (19:03) rock person since I was a kid. But Speaker 6 (19:05) I want you and me to talk with somebody who's like an expert in that field to like, you know what I mean? Hmm. Speaker 7 (19:11) I Speaker 6 (19:11) don't know. I think that'd be a fun guest. If anybody Speaker 7 (19:13) knows of the guests, because we have a lot of your homeboy. Well, yeah, I would, I bring him on for the information about, because he's really smart with rocks. I don't Speaker 1 (19:21) know Speaker 7 (19:21) if he knows, I don't know if he is spiritual side, but I will say we have a lot of cult members that have been messaging me people. to get on and I appreciate everybody because I have reached out and we are getting a couple of them on actually the pod. So reach out to me on Instagram if you're not on Patreon, but that way I can find these people. So if you know, Instagram, Speaker 6 (19:41) obviously. Speaker 7 (19:42) Yeah. Speaker 6 (19:43) But yes, please do so. Cause we have been, I've been talking about doing this for years now and it just has never really worked out. So anyway, so yes, there is spiritual significance as well as very practical everyday uses for this mineral. The cage elevator clunked as it descended into the depth. Oh, I skipped a spot. Excuse me. On this day, the company based in India, interesting, is one of four main companies mining Trana in the Green River area. The cage elevator clunked as it descended into the depths of the earth. The air got warmer and dust filled one's eyes, nose, and mouth. It got darker and darker, only lit up by Pitt's headlamp. Four minutes later, Pitt cranked the cage door open. Speaker 6 (20:24) Revealing a room temperature dark abyss. Okay. You guys ready? He asked. Pit walked through the mine tunnel a rough two track wide enough to fit a couple trucks. Speaker 7 (20:39) That's a weird way that you said that. Speaker 6 (20:40) Look at the sentence. The way he wrote that was weird. I feel like there was supposed to be at least one comma somewhere. No, it was pit Speaker 7 (20:46) walk through the tunnel mine a rough two track wide enough to fit a couple trucks. His tool belt. You say Speaker 6 (20:52) that. That sentence just now, that didn't seem a little run-on-ish and like wide. Okay, anyone? His tool belt jangled adorning a wrench padlock and radio. They went to the safety meeting room. We have a lunchroom and then our shop foreman, his office sits here. He said as he pointed to little caves in the wall left behind as they mine. They literally dug their own offices down there. That's pretty dope. Lunchrooms, diesel and tire shop and huge equipment, all of which came down to the elevator shaft. Pitt said they sometimes hang trucks vertically by the bumper. Yo, that'd be crazy. It's a mini world underground and yet very few know about Toronto mining. I didn't really know what it was till I moved here actually for a different industry. So pit came from coal, which is declining while Toronto is doing pretty well. In the end product Toronto is produced into a fine white powder called soda ash. Ah, Speaker 5 (21:44) I have heard of Speaker 6 (21:45) that product. Okay. Uh, is why is Wyoming's biggest export? Interesting. It brings about 1.5 billion annually. Twice as much as coal. I'm assuming that's for just the state of Wyoming. Speaker 7 (21:57) Yeah, it is. Speaker 6 (21:57) Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is Speaker 7 (21:58) wild, to be honest with you. Speaker 6 (22:00) Still, Wyoming makes $1.5 billion a year off of just this one industry. That's dope. Speaker 7 (22:08) That's pretty cool, to be honest with you. And then they're also bringing in half Speaker 6 (22:12) that much for coal. So, yeah, Wyoming's Speaker 7 (22:14) actually doing pretty Speaker 4 (22:14) damn good. Who Speaker 6 (22:15) knew? In this mine, the wall, ceiling, and floor shimmer with bits of Toronto crystals. Kind of has a hollow type sound to it. He tapped in a few hand-sized pieces together. Yeah, that's fair enough. The bulk of the mine tour was spent in a Jeep, which itself was wrapped in a thin layer of Tronadust. The mine is about 16 miles long, so to get anywhere, workers drive. Yo, that does suck. Unless you have a really good ventilation system, running gas and diesel-powered engines underground, that would fucking suck. Just throwing it out. But anyway. I Speaker 7 (22:51) wonder if they can breathe this in and it'd be okay. Speaker 6 (22:53) Well, I don't know if the Trana is bad, but I know the exhaust is. Speaker 7 (22:56) Well, I know, but I meant the Trana itself. Speaker 6 (22:59) Like the Trana dust in the lungs is harmful? Speaker 7 (23:01) Yeah. I'm not really sure. Continue reading. I mean, it's a Speaker 6 (23:05) mineral, but I don't know if it's been linked to known carcinogenic effects or something. I don't know if they have their version of the black lung. They got the white lung. The soda ash lung or something. I don't... Maybe. Fucking maybe. I'm looking it up. It Speaker 7 (23:18) says it can irritate your skin, eyes, and airways, and the mining process can expose workers to dangerous crystalline silicon dust. It's an alkaline irritant, and respiratory symptoms can, if they can include coughing, phlegm, shortness of breath, upper respiratory tract irritations, particularly among miners who smoke. Oh, yeah, fair. So it does say it's not. It says, while Toronto itself in an everyday mineral used to make baking soda and glass, underground Toronto mining disturbs surrounding rock layers that contain some type of crystalline silicon. It does say that after a while that it can be, yeah, no, it can cause silicosis, an irreversible and potentially fatal lung scarring disease, as well as an increased risk of lung cancer in COPD. I had no Speaker 6 (24:09) idea. Speaker 7 (24:10) I didn't know this either. So apparently there is limits that they have that the Mind Safety and Health Administration has put in these areas to try and prevent them from dying. Silicosis. Silicosis. Wow. Speaker 6 (24:24) All right. Speaker 7 (24:24) Interesting. We all learning together, everyone. We are indeed. Speaker 6 (24:28) Even underground, normal road rules applied. Well, of course. I seen a light up ahead. I was trying to shut the lights off so that we don't blind the oncoming traffic. Oh, yeah, he had his high beams on. Wow. A little further, he pulled up to another truck packed with a crew of miners coming off a 12-hour shift. You guys all good? He asked as he rolled down his window. You're looking good in there, the miners joked back. You look as crammed up as we do. Have fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Some banter back and forth. A pit continued down a dirt road, and the Jeep's suspension cushioned the bumps. So there was cross sections. Basically, they're showing this. This is a... actually a really good picture of one of these areas they carved out and they're using it to house like it looks like generators yeah Speaker 7 (25:10) it's probably clean airspace too like they probably have like a door sealing it to have clean airspace oh Speaker 6 (25:15) this is the lunchroom excuse me the Speaker 7 (25:17) lunchroom yeah Speaker 6 (25:18) so that is a very small little tunnel but i mean that's i've been in lunchrooms just as big on job sites before so i get it wow Speaker 7 (25:24) i'm sure they're trying to at least keep some front look they have to have fresh air moving they got to So Speaker 6 (25:30) absolutely. So anyway, it takes a few months to learn where you're at in the mind to navigate. No, we don't have any GPS. We don't have phone service. Yeah, that's one part about being down there. That sucks. Like at lunch and shit. Speaker 7 (25:42) Sixteen hundred feet down, though, is deep. Speaker 6 (25:45) Not Speaker 7 (25:45) for me. Like Speaker 6 (25:46) you have you have no contact with the outside world. You have no kind of like you can't sit there and be fucking off on your phone and shit like you. Speaker 4 (25:52) Yeah, that that sucks. But anyway, Speaker 6 (25:56) that meant on lunch break, there's no checking in with family or scrolling social media. Yeah, I literally just said that. They said that workers above grounds do like big things that they need to get in contact. They can radio down for like, you know, family emergencies and obviously Super Bowl scores. This is very important. After a while, Pitt parked the Jeep and walked closer to the actual mining. It gets a lot louder and hotter, and the air is dustier and thicker. A few guys tinkered on some equipment, getting ready to fire it up. So warning lights started. They're going to start the panel up, but we'll have to leave our equipment here. So the equipment like the audio recorder and phones, it's an explosive atmosphere, and adding more electronics to the mix is risky. Yeah, that's something that a lot of people don't really think about. Dust is extremely flammable. So that's why like you'll see grain silos that like if there's ever a spark introduced when like they're moving corn that she'll take off. Same thing at sugar refineries. There was a big explosion that happened in the 90s. Hell, we had an explosion when I worked there in Gramercy at one point in time. Small, contained, but it was still a thing. Dust in any way like this, even you would think silica. This is essentially sand or a version of it or something close to it. Dusted sand shouldn't be flammable. Except when it's aerosolized. I guess that's the technical term for when it gets airborne. And you introduce a spark. Speaker 7 (27:18) So Speaker 6 (27:18) yeah. Apparently they have a bunch of Speaker 7 (27:20) methane gas as well coming out of the floors. I Speaker 6 (27:23) could see that. You'll Speaker 7 (27:24) read it in the next paragraph. They talk about it and stuff. But yeah. Speaker 6 (27:27) So yeah. Adding more electronics to the mix than absolutely necessary is a risk. I completely understand that. So Pitt squeezed through a much narrower tunnel where half a dozen workers were hard at work. Speaker 6 (27:51) Very good, very good. Wow. Speaker 6 (28:07) When there's too much gas, equipment shuts down. Workers will guide a snaky tube that shoots in fresh air. Once the air is cleaner to breathe and less combustible, the mining equipment fires back up. Yeah, that's actually a really good safety precaution to have like automatic kill switches hooked up to gas monitors. That's brilliant. On this particular day, they'll probably cut about 450 feet into the Toronto mine wall. After peeking at the action, Pitt drove back toward the cage elevator, but he stopped halfway. He said, we stood, we stopped right here. This is one of the best places to do it. To be in total darkness, Pitt turned off all the lights. Wow. He said, stick your hand in front of your face. It was impossible to see. All that was left was distant home of mining Toronto, 1600 feet below Green River. Speaker 7 (28:53) That's crazy. And the belt is crazy. There's a picture of the conveyor belt that's moving the chunks. all the way up and stuff. It's just, it's wild to think how deep people go. I mean, this isn't even in one of the biggest ones. Cause you, you remember that show dirty jobs? Oh, Speaker 6 (29:07) I love micro. I still do. I think he's phenomenal. But Speaker 7 (29:10) remember he went into that massive one. That's like, it's like 200 feet tall. And that was a bad shit. Speaker 6 (29:15) It was go on. Speaker 7 (29:16) Maybe. I can't remember what it's for. I remember watching him walk in there and there's like a vehicle in there, but it looks like a pin size in the. As they span out because it's so deep and so far and they built this massive cavern. Speaker 6 (29:28) I Speaker 7 (29:29) think it's crazy, though, how many underground facilities we have that are doing all this stuff that realistically could withstand so many things and people don't even know about it. Oh, Speaker 6 (29:37) absolutely. But see, there's a little bit of a difference on this. And I agree with everything you just said. But like a cave that has been naturally formed. versus a man-made cave for mining shit. Both are impressive. One of them having like, let's say you have a secret underground tunnel system that connects to an existing cave structure. That's crazy, but also like some of the work was done for it. It makes sense. 16 miles of underground tunnels just for this one singular mining operation? That is fucking mind-blowing. I wonder Speaker 7 (30:06) how long it took to actually create. Speaker 6 (30:08) I mean, I don't know. The Green River Mine, if we wanted to... Speaker 7 (30:12) I'll look it up. Speaker 6 (30:12) I'm just curious. So, all right, moving on to the next topic here. So now we're going to talk about haunted Wyoming. Locals say there are spirits restless in the World Warlands bootlegger tunnels. Speaker 7 (30:26) It first was discovered in 1938 by prospectors. Speaker 6 (30:30) Interesting. They Speaker 7 (30:31) were searching for oil and natural gas. And then in 1946 to 1947, the first shaft was created. And then it says the transition from coal as a nearby coal mine operations in Rock Springs declined due to the diesel locomotive transitions. It was replaced by. This group. And then from the 1960s to the 1980s, the new operations opened as a major chemical companies entered the region, including Schaefer Chemical in 1962, Align Chemical in 68, Texas Gulf International in 76, and this other group. Basically, it's the Indian group, I'm assuming. Tineco. Sounds right. Tineco Minerals in 1982. So from. Pretty much from the 60s to now is them building those 16 miles. So for the major active underground mining operations supply, roughly 90 % of the nation's soda ash managed by companies including Solvay, Sissacam, Wyoming, and then WeSoda and Tata Chemicals. So Speaker 6 (31:39) this was the Tata Chemical mine that we just, or the Tata Chemical, yeah, that specific mine owned by that company. Interesting. Speaker 7 (31:47) Yeah. So apparently the Green River mystery refers to 150 year old geological puzzle of why the Green River in Utah and Colorado appears to. OK, so apparently this is about Utah. Well, Green River runs through both, I'm sure. Yeah, Speaker 6 (32:00) I Speaker 7 (32:00) know. But apparently this specific portion of this is associated with this. Gotcha. All Speaker 6 (32:06) right. So now Haunted Wyoming. Let's talk about it here. I don't know if I'm even pronouncing that right. I'm assuming Warland. If it's pronounced a different way, the locals will let me know, I'm sure. When Worland business owners reported intruders in their locked basement, police found no one, but they also heard sounds in the bootlegger tunnels beneath the town. Locals swear that spirits are still restless in these tunnels. So, like, okay, I don't know. Is it possible? Yeah, sure, I suppose. Is it also possible that it's, like, criminals that are using those tunnels to break in and do shit? Speaker 7 (32:42) Maybe Speaker 6 (32:42) both. Speaker 7 (32:43) Maybe. I mean, they're abandoned tunnels, quote unquote. But we sure know how abandoned tunnels somehow are still being used all across the country. All across. Speaker 6 (32:50) Let's talk about it here. So, Warland. More than 30 years ago, teenagers were warned away from downtown Warland's Bar Row, quote unquote, with the ominous words, don't be here after dark. There are people down there. Oh, shit. So, we're already getting into it here. There's people down there. The warning was not about physical beings, but about the ghostly visitors who for years had haunted the tunnels beneath the town's historic Bar Row. In the row of businesses lining Main Street were once a trio of saloons dating back to 1906. Beneath these buildings are tunnels believed by many to have been dug during Prohibition. Absolutely. The newspapers of the time would report on bootlegging and moonshine only occasionally, preferring to turn a blind eye to the new industry of smuggling booze that existed beneath their feet. Yeah, I bet so, dude. In 1919, as prohibition became law across America, saloons officially closed their doors in Worland. Then they opened the secret passageways and tunnels that continued a thriving bootlegging industry. Quote, old moonshine, raisin and corn whiskey seems to be a profitable industry these days in Wyoming. This is what the Worland Grit reported in 1920. Quote, even in Washakie County, some of the citizens have been busy manufacturing the bug juice. Which, I mean, yeah. I Speaker 7 (34:11) never understood the, we're not going to get into the weeds about that because we're reading about tunnels, but the whole prohibition was ridiculous to me. Speaker 6 (34:19) It was, and I don't mean to point fingers, but there was a specific demographic that was leading the charge on that. There was also the ones that were just fighting to get the right to vote at that time. So you can blame white women for that. Speaker 6 (34:37) But to be fair, it wasn't just alcohol. It was, I forget what the name of the movement was, and we're not going to spend too much time on this, but like there was a, it was the suffrage movement, but it also manifested into this whole women's modesty movement. Essentially, they were like still tarring and feathering girls who got caught prostituting. Speaker 4 (34:58) And Speaker 6 (34:59) like, nevermind the fact that. Janice, you just caught your husband in bed with this woman. Never mind him. You're going to handle that on your own. But this woman needs to be publicly displayed and have boiling tar poured on her and throw feathers on her to publicly humiliate her and scar her for the rest of her life. This is being done in the 19-teens. Speaker 3 (35:20) Whether Speaker 6 (35:20) people want to acknowledge that or not. Yeah, y'all think that was just back in the Revolutionary War days. No, this women's movement was insane. It was like women Bible thumpers. But with the arm of the law on their hand, because like you want to be the judge to tell this group of women who prostitution was illegal and they caught a girl in the act. You're going to be the one to tell them that you want to like turn a blind eye and be on record like that's like so many dudes. It says it Speaker 7 (35:48) says Wayne Wheeler is the number one ruthless leader of the anti saloon legion. Also, Andrew. Those were the two that led it, but also the Women's Christian Temporist Union. Speaker 6 (36:01) Temporist, that's the one. A massive group of women who Speaker 7 (36:04) protested the social damage of alcohol and built grassroots support for decades, apparently. But the two leaders of it were two men. Speaker 6 (36:12) Because women couldn't hold office at that time. They needed men to be the mouthpiece for them. And coalitions Speaker 7 (36:17) of Protestant churches, progressive reformers, and powerful industrials like Henry Ford and J.D. Rockefeller. Back to the movement. Speaker 6 (36:27) Which, again, not to go religious here, but it's interesting that these women were pounding on a book where the lead character dined with prostitutes and treated them like humans. But these women were pounding that when they were doing all these things. And in that same book, the dude turned water to wine. But somehow these women felt very justified by following that example. Whatever. Anyway. But yeah. So anyway, the prohibition. Say what you want about it. I could understand the talking points of the dangers of alcohol. I get that. Also, that is crazy to mandate a nationwide outlawing of something that was so readily available and that you could make it home. That's the part that kills me. Well, it Speaker 7 (37:06) wasn't consumption. It was the selling of. The 18th Amendment was the selling of. It wasn't consumption that was illegal. It was just the selling of. Speaker 6 (37:14) But at the same time. You're correct on paper. But how can this person, they see a still, even if it's a one gallon still, how does this law officer not know that you plan on selling? There was even the concentrate grape juice. You remember seeing those warning labels? So if you don't know, Google this. It's hilarious. I think it was Welch's actually. They were selling their grape juice concentrate, as you do. And it said on there, warning, do not mix this, add this much sugar, this much yeast, and put in your closet. for X amount of weeks because that would be wine. Like even the companies were doing this because they couldn't sell any type of wine. You're making a jug of wine. Well, that's intended to distribute. It was ridiculous. Speaker 7 (37:58) I'm reading more into this. Sorry, everyone. We're on this little kick because we are going to talk a lot about bootlegging today. But it does say that the original movement from this temperance group apparently was because so many women basically were getting the shit knocked out of them. I Speaker 6 (38:12) understand these points. I do. Speaker 7 (38:14) The men were basically just wreaking havoc on people's lives and particularly women that had few legal rights and they were utterly dependent on their husbands for support and everything else. This was their way of trying to basically save themselves and to try to get the men to act more right. Speaker