#1160- Inter Dimensional Or Time Line Crossovers? With Dayvid From DTRH 10 minutes ago
Cult of Conspiracy
Host Cajun Knight welcomes David Salinas from 'Down the Rabbit Hole' to discuss fringe theories ranging from simulation theory to interdimen
Key takeaways
- David Salinas describes his transition from an IT manager at a liberal arts university to a full-time conspiracy content creator.
- The discussion highlights Google's Willow chip as a quantum breakthrough that solved problems in minutes that would take supercomputers septillions of years.
Main topics
- Simulation Theory
- Quantum Computing
Notable quotes
Is reality even real, man?
Conclusion
A deep dive into the intersection of speculative physics, paranormal i
Transcript preview
Speaker 1 (0:17) And welcome to the show. This is the Cult of Conspiracy. And I am the Cajun Knight. And I'm actually flying solo this evening. Raven Lee has been offered this amazing opportunity to go on an all-female women's retreat. Just doing things and stuff. Hippie vibes. Y'all know Raven Lee. So, I mean, the fact, I didn't even know we had retreats like that in Louisiana. So, whenever she got offered this and she checked it out and it was like a legit retreat spot. and just like time away and she got like babysat babysitters for her kids handled and shit so i was like yo take the weekend go for it so I am flying solo as far as the cult is concerned. However, we have a very special guest. We have been in contact with this guy for a little while, and just looking at his social media and looking at our social media, we are kind of in the same shtick, if you will. And the beauty of that is that we don't exactly have a shtick. You know, there are certain content creators in this field that are all about cryptids, and that's what they talk about hard and fast, which is excellent. That's phenomenal content. But they also put themselves in a box. It's very strange to... hear them talk about some CIA operation from, you know what I'm saying? Like that's not your shtick, but the content that you put out, the content that we put out is all over the place. We don't exactly have lines that we won't cross, but we have lines that we try to stay around. So, but who is this person I'm talking about? David Salinas, Salinas, Salinas, Salinas from down the rabbit hole, brother. How the hell are you? Speaker 2 (1:45) I'm doing great, man. So, so good. Thank you for having me on. This is awesome. Yeah, dude. Cajun Knight. Hello. Yeah, dude. Cajun Knight and Raven Lee. We are the Speaker 1 (1:55) dynamic duo that make the Cult of Conspiracy a weird hodgepodge of a little bit of everything. But yeah, man. So, all right, let's break it down. Starting from the beginning, how long have you been, I guess, of the conspiratorial mind versus how long have you been doing it with the content creation background? Speaker 2 (2:13) Oh, man, I've been as far as conspiracies as long as I can remember. Yeah. You know, yeah, I go all the way back with JFK, man. Speaker 1 (2:22) Yeah, that's kind of the classic. You know, that's where everybody starts. Yeah, Speaker 2 (2:26) the Speaker 1 (2:26) classics. Speaker 2 (2:27) Yeah, I wasn't born or alive back then, but I thought, man, this is there's no answers here. And it's like, who's what's what's the deal with all this? But as far as content creation, I started it. Speaker 2 (2:43) So I was an IT manager, right? Okay. Like for your own company or Speaker 1 (2:47) a bigger company? No, Speaker 2 (2:48) for a university, for a liberal university. Gotcha. Liberal arts. Anyway. And so basically I got fired. There's no other way to put it. I got fired. And the very next day I started down the rabbit hole. And it was something I've been thinking about, but I never had the time because I was so busy with that job and time. Dude, Speaker 1 (3:15) nobody really appreciates the amount of time that goes into doing this until you try to do it. And it's like, no, that's that's actual hours of your life. You can't get back. Speaker 2 (3:23) Yeah. Yeah. But I love it, man. I do it every day. So every day I go hunting every morning. I go hunting for something that I think is worthy enough to share out there. And I'll do it several times. And I have not missed a day since I started. I do not miss. Speaker 1 (3:42) That is phenomenal, dude. And I've had to tell people that, too. It's like, yo, I would be talking about this whether I was doing it with a microphone or not. This is the shit that I love, that I'm passionate about. So, like, this ain't work. This is still very much a passion project, you know? Speaker 2 (4:00) That's it the the word the key word is passion. I love this stuff man. I love anything that's ghost aliens Bigfoot anything that's you know, like the Like anything conspiracy and what I've been talking about today was we're talking about like time fluctuation, you know any it like for example Speaker 2 (4:25) oh man i'm drawing a massive oh is my camera doing that yeah your camera just did that man that was wild what Speaker 1 (4:33) the hell Speaker 2 (4:33) yeah it's it does that from i had it turned off i wonder why it turned back on it's rude anyway uh Speaker 1 (4:40) multiverse Speaker 2 (4:42) stuff i love that stuff uh Speaker 1 (4:45) npcs you know npcs right oh i've met tons of them I'm convinced. I swear I've met so many of them. It's not even that they're living a cookie cutter life or anything like that. It's like just having a conversation with certain people. There's nothing there. It's very much like a random NPC in a Grand Theft Auto game that's just kind of making motions that almost look okay. And it's like, is that actually like an NPC? Did God make that for the, you know what I'm saying? Like whatever you believe. Is that a part of the plan that there would be filler people or some shit? Did I Speaker 2 (5:23) miss something? Speaker 1 (5:23) I know what you mean, dude. That Speaker 2 (5:25) shit's weird. Yeah, that simulation theory. I mean, I go through tons of this stuff. Time travelers, people who claim they're time travelers. And then, you know, is it even possible? Speaker 2 (5:38) You know, like what's the layer beneath reality? Yeah. I love that stuff, man. Like, is it real? Is reality even real, man? Come Speaker 1 (5:47) on. I mean, I guess that's subjective. I guess it depends on what level of philosophy major we're talking, you know? Yeah. I mean, Speaker 2 (5:54) it's like you think about, you know, the quantum field, all that stuff. It's only it only takes a shape when it's noticed. That kind of thing. So, you know, it's like you're driving down the road. Is everything being rendered as you're seeing Speaker 1 (6:12) it? You know what I mean? Oh, man. So they just did that experiment with quantum computing where they were sending bits of information, right? And they were using the double slit experiment as a security measure because that data or data, however the hell you want to say it, it would be acting differently. The data would still get to where it was supposed to go. It would have the message it was meant to have. However, they could use code to figure out if it had been observed in transit because of the double slit experiment. So even on the quantum realm, matter does pay attention to whether it's being watched or observed or not. So just looking at that at that base level, dude, and then moving on into what that could as far as further and deeper implications to the very fabric of what we're calling reality. Yeah, dude. Right. This is the mind-boggling shit. This is the shit that, like, that college kid takes a big rip off a joint and just lits back and is like, fuck. You know what I mean? Speaker 2 (7:07) Oh, yeah. It's the good stuff, man. It is. It is. Like, you heard the Willow chip, right? That Google chip they were working on? It's a quantum chip. I have heard that they were working on it. I do not know what the current update is with it. So they turned it on and they've been using it. And this has been about a year now. Okay. And it solved a problem that a regular supercomputer wouldn't be able to solve in like 10 septillion years, which is a ridiculous amount of time. But they solved it in Speaker 1 (7:39) 15 minutes. That's not the Majorum chip, is it? Or whatever the hell it was Speaker 2 (7:43) called. No, this is Speaker 1 (7:43) the Willow chip. Speaker 2 (7:45) Okay. Speaker 1 (7:45) From Google. Got you. Okay, so yeah, they all went to Microsoft. My bad. Okay. Speaker 2 (7:50) Yeah, and so they solved this problem. It's like... amazing right but then they started to see the more they were looking at the data the more they were going deeper into it they saw that it it had communications with other species or other beings from Speaker 1 (8:07) other dimensions man okay Speaker 2 (8:10) in order to solve Speaker 1 (8:11) these problems So this leads to actually something that I've said a bunch, but I still do believe it. I believe that there are other dimensions on top of ours. We have the math. Oh, yeah. Experts have the math that equate out to what we think to be the 13th dimension, give or take. And we know that there's math that equates further than that. That's just what we've got figured, right? Right. However, I don't. Where it draws that fine line with me is, does the 4D world actually affect our 3D world at all? Or is it just overlaid on top of each other? And it's like, like the 2D world doesn't actually affect us that much in the 3D world, right? Right. So it's like, is it overlaid and happening on top of us? That's just how shit works? Or is that cause for the Mandela effect and time rifts and air dimensional travel that we call aliens or the orbs? And it's like, this can go so many different directions. But yeah, Speaker 2 (9:06) I Speaker 1 (9:06) absolutely believe that's Speaker 2 (9:07) true. Oh, yeah, for sure. You know, the next level of the 4D, if you've heard of a Tesseract, right? Oh, for sure. So it's like it's a cube. Speaker 2 (9:20) That moves. And we can't even see it. It's like beyond. Speaker 1 (9:25) I've seen glass blowers try to make a version of it. And they get really really close. But the fact is. Well I guess technically it's glass. That's a liquid. So it's kind of in constant motion. Not exactly. But yeah that is mind blowing as a thought. To just think of how that works. Let alone it actually fucking existing. Speaker 2 (9:46) So if you shine Speaker 1 (9:47) a light on it. Speaker 2 (9:49) You get a cube. Yeah shadow and that's what they're like a lot of the stuff that You know we have here. It's a shadow of the fourth dimension Yeah, have you ever seen like or have you ever heard I used to post a lot of videos on and I these terrified me by the way the shadow figures that are darker than dark that are Like void yeah, Speaker 1 (10:12) but Speaker 2 (10:12) they look humanoid And they'll like turn around the corner and it is the craziest thing you've ever seen. Well, you know, there's a lot of theories that these beings, they're coming from higher dimensions and they feed off of an emotion. So if you're scared, if you're terrified, they're charging up. Yeah, they feed off of fear. Speaker 1 (10:33) Yeah. Speaker 2 (10:34) But if you charge them and you tell them, get out of here, you charge them and you're like, you don't show any fear, they won't come back because they can't feed off you. Right. Speaker 1 (10:42) These are theories. I'm not saying anything Speaker 2 (10:44) that's Speaker 1 (10:44) real. I'm just telling you, this is what I heard. In my own personal life, I have experienced this. Now, I know that you're not somebody who goes religious, but I'm a Christian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've told this story about how I had a demonic presence when I was a kid all the way up until my early adult years. It wasn't like a daily thing, but it did make an appearance multiple times. And yes, it feeds off fear. A lot of people say like the sleep paralysis demon or whatever. even if you're going to say spiritual and or extra dimensional, because both could be happening at the same time. I've had a lot of people say that a fourth dimensional being to a human might look like one of the angels described. You know what I mean? There's so many levels that could go to. But, you know, I'm with you on that. And I also find it interesting that, like to circle it back to the Tesseract conversation, right? When you shine a light on a Tesseract, it shows a two dimensional object. right and when you think that's actually pretty crazy so light which we can only see on our spectrum within the third dimension shining through a fourth dimensional object produces a two-dimensional image that's just fucking mind-blowing to me Speaker 2 (11:48) that's freaking beautiful i love it yeah Speaker 1 (11:50) everything's woven in man it's all connected and Speaker 2 (11:54) you know i often think that there's is there a way we can get like a three-dimensional being getting into the fourth dimension or the fifth dimension or whatever can we survive it Because sound and air and all that, it's not the same. Exactly. So have you ever heard Speaker 1 (12:10) of the book Flatland? Speaker 2 (12:13) That does sound familiar. Oh, brother. So Speaker 1 (12:15) this was a book written in the Victorian times and 1800s. This dude was writing a book from the perspective of a two-dimensional object. And what this was supposed to be was social satire of the time. It was supposed to be his way to like thumb his nose at the royals, the nobles, and then the serfs. And like, not even talking medieval times, just like the poor classes, right? Yeah. Instead of that, what he did was actually propose the question of this dimensional playing field, like in a very normal, palpable way that people could recognize. So here's the plot. You got circles, squares, and triangles, and they're living their life. They got houses, they got jobs, they got homes, whatever. And you can only see like triangles start at a point and get wider and stop. So that's how you know that's a triangle. And that was supposed to be like a class of human. Then there was a circle. And you could tell that because like you could see the point that's closest to you and it slowly tapers off on each side. And you could tell that was a circle. That was that class. And there were squares. So cool. And everybody's living their life. But you got this one triangle that's like, you know, this doesn't seem like what if there is a third dimension and people are like saying you're crazy as fuck. There's no way there's Speaker 2 (13:26) a Speaker 1 (13:26) third dimension. What are you talking about? And one day this triangle meets a sphere. But the way the sphere presents itself is it basically passes through the two-dimensional plane. And from the triangle's perspective, it was a circle that was smaller, got bigger, and then smaller again. But it blew its mind. And the sphere was like, bro, there is so much more out here. Come here. I'll show you. He picks the triangle up and shows him the third dimension. And from that, the triangle was able to see the inside out of his contemporaries in the second dimension. And he saw that this was like there was so much more out there. There's so much more perspective, right? And then he asked the sphere, like, yo, take me to the fourth dimension. And the sphere got super mad. He's like, there's no fucking fourth dimension, dude. What are you talking about, dude? And he slams him back down into the second dimension. The triangle goes out and tries to tell the people about it. He gets thrown in an insane asylum because, like, this fucking guy. And then the sphere is left basically sitting on a park bench wondering, wait, what the fuck? What about the fourth dimension? And so like this was supposed to be social satire of like Victorian era England. Instead, 1800s homeboy was really asking these hard questions. And that's pretty much the plot of this conversation now, man. That's very interesting. Very interesting. Highly recommend you check it out. Speaker 2 (14:41) You said demon. And do you mind if I plug my show today? Please do, sir. All right. So I have a podcast called David Don't Know. And today I dropped an episode with the grandson of Ed and Lorraine Warren. Yeah, Speaker 1 (14:58) I saw the clips on that on the socials, man. Chris McKinnell. Chris McKinnell. This guy. Speaker 2 (15:04) Let me tell you something, dude. I was asking him about demons because, you know, Ed was a demonologist. Oh, yeah. Right. And the way Chris mentioned it, he says, yes, he was a demonologist, but he was a religious demonologist. Speaker 1 (15:19) I Speaker 2 (15:19) was like, oh, okay. I didn't understand what he meant by that. And so I was telling him, you know, for the four years I've been doing this, I've been looking at trying to find like demon stuff or, you know, so I can post on down the rabbit hole. Sure. I couldn't find anything that I could attach and say, this is a demon. Speaker 1 (15:37) And Speaker 2 (15:38) Chris says, dude, I could not believe it came out of his mouth. That's because there aren't any demons. Chris McKinnell, this is the grandson of Ed and Lorraine Warren, bro. I was like, in my head, I was like, he's saying this on my show. I can't believe this is awesome, dude. I can't Speaker 1 (15:55) believe this. I do have to ask, was it because of like, there's the context behind it. They're not actually demons. They are this though, right? Because I've heard people say that too. Because demons, are you talking about the actual fallen ain't, they're not around anymore. The Nephilim aren't. It's the spirit of. And then you get like real technical into like the, and I get that if that was his point. But he's saying, was he saying that? Or was he saying like there is no forces of darkness working against us? Speaker 2 (16:20) Well, he explained it. I was asking. I said, so I got to ask you, man, why do you think that? And because I, doing research for the interview, I was. pulling up old videos of him talking when he was 16 years old, working with Ed. And there's Ed talking about, there's him, and he's talking about demon. We encountered a demon, and I was like, this is crazy that he's saying this, because I have video of him actually saying he, you know what I'm saying? And then he said, well, the reason I bring that up, or the reason I'm saying it, I've been researching this for 45 years. 45 years straight, since with my grandfather, we started out, and then my grandmother, and all this. But I have yet to actually find a demon, you know, because he does exactly what Ed and Lorraine does. He's got the Warren Foundation. And anytime there's a family that's having problems, just like Ed and Lorraine, he sends a team or he'll go himself with a team. They'll try to figure out what's going on. And all these years he's gone to all over the world. He just left the South America. He's now, I think, somewhere in Europe. Speaker 2 (17:29) And he just told me Albania. He's in Albania right now. Oh, wow. He's about to do some talks in the UK and Ireland where he's going to be discussing, you know, the foundation and all this good stuff. And he says, I have yet to come across an actual demon. I know him back and forth. He's an exorcist. Like, he can perform exorcism. I Speaker 1 (17:52) got a guy I can put him in contact with. He's a full-time professional. a sacrificer to satan like he has oh my goodness he has a 99 success rate now he's he's expensive but if you need something done you pay him the money he'll sacrifice to a demon like he he is in regular communication with demonic forces like on a i'm not saying on daily basis i mean if the man sacrifices a cow he's you know his family's eating good that that month because he has to burn it right but it's like eight thousand dollars or something crazy but like Yeah. Yeah. It's it's, but yo, if your guy is wanting to find one, I got a guy, I don't, you know, I've had him on the show one time. He and I basically, uh, debated the validity of his job for one, but for two, like I was very curious of all of the things. So, you know, you are operating in a world of the binary. There is a side of good and a side of evil. You want to call it something else and say, it's the. The Demi urge versus the, I don't care whatever titles and monikers you want. We just looking at yin and yang here, dude, we got sides of good and evil. You are actively doing things for and towards the side of evil, knowing that that like, it's not ignorance. You didn't grow up in a world where like, this was normal. Like this is, this is what you're doing and you're still doing it loudly and proudly. And like advertising for it. You do not think about what that looks like on the eternal scale, like real shit. Speaker 2 (19:19) Yeah. Speaker 1 (19:19) And essentially he very, very kindly told me to fuck off. It wasn't rude. Like, no, no, no. He basically sidestepped the question was like, yeah, well, that's my fucking, you know, that's my business. I've made that deal. I'm on that. So like, I got me covered and I'm just like, like, you know, very kindly like, yeah. Fuck you, dude. You go with your little Bible over here. I know what I'm doing. It's like, all right. Interesting, though, right? I mean, is he eating well? Is he eating well? Oh, he's living life, brother. He, his wife, and his kids. Like, that's what dad does. He goes in the backyard every so often, and it smells bad. But, like, they're doing well from what I could tell. I think he makes six figures a year. Speaker 2 (20:00) Good God. Yeah. Interesting. interesting it's Speaker 1 (20:04) mind-blowing dude yeah our world right it's Speaker 2 (20:07) just there's just no end to the craziness Speaker 1 (20:10) that's out Speaker 2 (20:10) there but Speaker 1 (20:11) that was an excellent interview that you had with him by the way thank you yes appreciate that man but appreciate that he found me man i was like what the hell yeah Speaker 2 (20:21) He found me on one of my posts. It was a post about a Mexican scientist that discovered something. This is like back in the 90s, I believe. And I had made that post and he disappeared. And I made the post because there's so many scientists disappearing now. Yes, there are. Right. And so I was like, it's interesting that that happened in Mexico back in the 90s. And so he saw that he goes, he reached out to me and he said, hey, man, I went down a rabbit hole. on that post alone great work blah blah blah and i said chris would you want to come on the show by chance and he's like i'd love to and i was like what this guy is the coolest guy he's one of the nicest i mean people i've come across in the paranormal field super awesome guy dude let me just tell you he got he got root feed last week for Speaker 1 (21:10) wait okay we're gonna need a little more context on that one man hold on was he almost trafficked I mean, no. Speaker 2 (21:17) So he was robbed, basically. Oh, God. So he moved to Albania. That's Speaker 1 (21:22) the better Speaker 2 (21:22) option here, but fuck. I know. God Speaker 1 (21:24) damn. He moves to Albania, and then he came back to get some of his stuff. Yeah, Speaker 2 (21:29) I Speaker 1 (21:29) forgot you said he's in Albania. Yo, yeah, Albania, that's like the wild fucking west right now. It didn't even happen there, though. Check this out. Speaker 2 (21:37) He goes back to South America because he has stuff that he had to pick up, like a lot of his stuff, like stuff from his father who had recently passed. Yeah. Like computers. This person, anyway, he goes to meet with a bishop over there, a friend of his, and gets all his stuff. And then he's going to meet with a lady who claimed to be a doctor. and who claimed to be interested in being a member of the foundation to help people that are suffering with paranormal activity. So he goes to meet her, and they're talking, and then he passes out. And when he comes to, she stole all his stuff, dude. All his money. His bank accounts, his social media, his computer, his hard drives, his family heirlooms, his dad stuff. Everything, dude, was gone. God damn, that sucks. I know, dude. I was working on one of the videos I posted today. I was actually working on that one. And as I was working on it, he messaged me and I was like, dude, that's so weird. I'm looking at your face. And then you messaged me. Hey, I got a story for you. And that was a story, man. Oh, my God. Speaker 1 (22:55) And I don't know if that's because on a conspiratorial standpoint, I could see that being done by a certain group of people that want him to stop talking about these things. I could see that. But on the other end, which country was he in South America? Oh, I think it was Columbia. Okay. On the, on the other side, like, I mean, Columbia is not known for its safety. I'm just, you know, fuck. Right. Speaker 2 (23:18) Yeah. Right. Speaker 1 (23:19) But God, that does suck. But yeah, man, hell, I might even have to get him on the show. Cause Raven Lee is a bit of a horror nerd and loves movies like the conjuring and Annabelle. And I saw the clip on your socials about him running through of like, what's actually behind that. But that being said, Raven Lee is also famously non-religious. So if he's going to go into the religious take on that, she's going to immediately fucking mentally shut off. It's a whole thing. So she's non-religious? Not at all, dude. When I had my former co-host, Jonathan, who is over at the Metamistics, for anybody listening that wants to go check out that podcast, Love to Death, he and I basically... We saw things on a religious scale very, very differently. And sometimes when conspiratorial conversations are happening and we see that a certain group is doing occult practices to ball. Well, who was ball? Okay. Biblical references are going to get brought up from time to time. Naturally that happens. Okay. Yeah. Fine. Yeah. But it kind of started becoming more of every episode was a religious debate where none was needed. Like, you know what I mean? And like sometimes, sometimes a good, healthy, respectful religious debate is, I think, sometimes beneficial, you know, asking these hard questions that a lot of people actually ask themselves and like rebuttals from. it would seem sometimes good things other times like when we're doing an episode on operation ice worm in greenland how did we end up on a 45 minute diatribe about the new testament like it's you know it wasn't needed so yeah a lot of our cult members have decided that they don't really want to hear the religious back and forth and yeehaw um so raven lee coming on also being non-religious she knows about a lot of religion she has a background in anthropology she's worked on archaeological dig sites she's well read in so many different things to where like she can grasp things about whatever and like speak intelligently on them but she just she doesn't really get into all that because she just really doesn't like organized religion to be fair Speaker 2 (25:24) yeah i'm similar but i my whole thing is i went from extremely uh devout Catholic to reading the Bible and then becoming an atheist. And now I'm somewhere in the middle. I would say agnostic at this point. I Speaker 1 (25:43) was Speaker 2 (25:44) going to Speaker 1 (25:44) say real quick. So where are you from? If you don't mind me asking. I'm in San Antonio, Texas. Okay. Yeah. I got family in Bernie. Oh, really? Cool, man. I was just out there. As a matter of fact, for New Year's, we watched the fireworks go off over Six Flags. It was fucking dope. But yeah, dude, I love the area. I do. Also, the shout out to the San Antonio missions, except for that one day a year when they're the San Antonio Chonglas. Fuck yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The San Antonio is a solid spot. Honestly, I love it. I love it, man. Speaker 2 (26:14) It's like the perfect place to live, except the heat. Speaker 1 (26:17) That's the only thing. I'm in Louisiana, dude. You Speaker 2 (26:19) got dry heat. Yeah. I got wet heat. Y Speaker 1 (26:22) 'all are Speaker 2 (26:22) fine. Speaker 1 (26:22) Y Speaker 2 (26:23) 'all are going to be fine. I wish it was dry. I wish it's not dry. It's not dry here, man. Okay. I've had people coming from Arizona or like, you know, I was walking down the river walk. Why does this keep doing that? I was walking down the river walk and I was drenched. Yeah. Cause Speaker 1 (26:39) the river walk, Speaker 2 (26:41) it's going to Speaker 1 (26:42) be humid in the river. I mean, I get that. Absolutely. Anyway. But, um, I just wanted to Speaker 2 (26:47) make a quick point before we go on. I, my whole thing is because I've come across a lot of people who are non-religious or atheists and they're militant. It's like, I didn't understand that. My feeling is if, if religion helps you and you benefit from it, it's something you get in it and it feeds your soul or whatever, dude. Yeah. That's great. I'm for that for you. That's for you. It's not for me. It doesn't do anything for me, but for you, that's awesome. I love that, man. And I want. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? It Speaker 1 (27:18) doesn't have to be religion. I get that as far as what society's moral barometer is. But at the same time, it is what it is. Objectively, a human, regardless of where they were born or when they were born or whatever, a human believing that there is a higher power and consequences for their actions after they die, objectively, is a net positive for humanity. I don't think that's a hot take. And that's why most, if all, human cultures and civilizations have had stories and myths and legends and religions and whatever else to make that happen. And I know a lot of people say that, oh, that's a control tactic. And yes, it has been done for that purpose. And there's multiple places. Napoleon would say that. Napoleon would say that, but so would every cult leader, which we watch it happen in real time at the small scale. And then also like Nazi Germany at the large scale. So like I get, I get why people are hesitant towards. organized religion, especially one with centralized power and a lot of funding and a lot of fuck shit with their history. Like, I feel that and respect, you know what I mean? But as far as in our modern day, I went through my own period of, uh, I wouldn't say atheism. Objectively, there has to be some creator to this or group of creators or something. There's no mathematical way that we could be having this conversation right now if something didn't start the Big Bang and start that spark. Objectively, all right, cool. So I went into a period of agnostic, and I started diving into every single religion and myth. legend that I could get my hands on just consuming it because I figure somebody out there in the span of human history has to have gotten it at least close enough to the rightest of answers. And then through a very long chain of events, not that I was happy about it at the time, it led me back to the Abrahamics. And then through that, it led to the Bible. And that's based off of historical documentation and scientifically backed data points. that like even secular sources have to back certain claims and it's like, okay, so now I'm, me personally, I was left with, I either choose this and acknowledge it to be true and apply it to my life as best I can or I understand I'm shoving my head in the dirt and like I'm going to have to iron that detail out after I die and like make Pascal's wager basically. And yeah, and I understand why and how people leave religion. I understand why people. find religion later on in life and like have a struggle with it because we're all human and we nobody like knows what the fuck is going on we're all just doing our best so i get it you know I got a video I'm Speaker 2 (29:57) posting tomorrow that talks about, I noticed one error and it was a crash that happened in 1948. I believe it's 1947, but they captured one. They called it the EBE, EBE-1. Speaker 1 (30:14) And Speaker 2 (30:15) for a year after, and this I'm assuming it didn't say, but I'm assuming it's from Roswell. Yep. And there were a couple of dead ones and one that was alive. And the one that was alive, according to this story, is that he didn't talk for a year. He kept quiet for a whole year. And then after a whole year, he started to speak. He started to talk about where they came from. He started talking about their planet. He started talking about that they didn't have governments. They had a council of elders that made decisions and that they believed that they didn't understand our religion. They thought of the way they thought of a God. They said it was the universe. And I love that. Yeah. Speaker 1 (31:06) I've actually said that a bunch too. Like when the aliens land, because I don't know how you feel about aliens being real or not. I am very much of the belief that aliens are real. And that doesn't negate my biblical perspectives either. I think that my God is big enough to make all that shit. And I just don't have to know about all of it for make it real. It is what it is. But when we actually do have some sort of an interaction and if it's peaceful. big, that's Speaker 2 (31:30) a Speaker 1 (31:30) load-bearing if on that. I also don't believe that they're going to make their trip here just to say what's up. I feel like it'll be very much Cortez meeting the Aztecs, but neither here nor there. That's a human Speaker 2 (31:44) approach. Speaker 1 (31:45) It is. It is a human approach, and I understand that's a contrived example based off of a human example. I get that. I don't know of another example that I can apply to it because I've never met an alien. Because you can't. You Speaker 2 (31:57) know what Speaker 1 (31:57) I'm saying? I only can go off the information I got. And it doesn't sound positive for humanity. I have yet to believe that the space hippies are going to just meet us to give us tech because they want to elevate our conscience. I'm sorry. I don't believe that at all. Now, if you're