#1155- Dragon Court And Blood Lines With Prometheus Lense Podcast

Cult of Conspiracy

In this episode of Cult of Conspiracy, the Cajun Knight hosts Doc Brown from the Prometheus Lens Podcast for a deep dive into ancient bloodl

Key takeaways

• Doc Brown is researching the 'Dragon Court,' a concept linking certain royal bloodlines to the Anunnaki.
• The legend of Melusine, a serpentine figure, is used to explain the origins of various European noble houses.
• Research into the 'Serpent Seed' theory attempts to find historical parallels to the Genesis narratives of Cain and Abel.
• The distinction between legend (rooted in truth) and myth (embellished for entertainment) is analyzed using examples like the 300 Spartans.
• Doc Brown discusses the Cherokee legend of Judah Kola, a giant figure associated with rock formations in Tennessee.

Main topics

• Serpent Seed Theory
• Melusine Mythology
• Ancient Bloodlines

Notable quotes

A legend is at least based in truth.

Conclusion

The episode offers a complex look at how religious texts and folklore

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) For many of us, going further isn't a choice. It's a feeling we can't ignore. Because ambition has a way of outgrowing where it began. Turning dreams into direction. Every journey brings us closer to the life we imagine. So, where will your journey take you? Etihad. Beyond Borders. Speaker 4 (0:47) And welcome to the show. This is the Cult of Conspiracy, and I am the Cajun Knight. Raven Lee is not going to be joining me this evening, but that is okay because we have a very special guest. The man has been on the show multiple times in the past. A lot of our listenership, actually, if you look at that Venn diagram, I feel like the middle section of that would be really fat when it comes to R2 programs. You know him, you love him, the man, the myth, the legend, the published author, the Doc Brown from Prometheus Lens Podcast. Brother, how the hell you been? Speaker 3 (1:16) It's been great. I will try my best to live up to that grandiose introduction, man. I appreciate the love. The myth, the legend. I like it. Speaker 4 (1:25) Oh, dude, you have been making your rounds. I feel like I can't get on social media and scroll for a second without seeing some clip that you are either featured in, tagged in, or is you yourself. You are getting out there, bro. Like I said, I feel like our listenership has a rather large cross-section, to be honest with you. Speaker 3 (1:45) Oh yeah, 100%. We've got a great group of people that love to dig and get their fingernails dirty and find those golden nuggets, man. So yeah, I totally agree. Speaker 4 (1:56) Absolutely. Now you, published author, we've talked about it before, you did your second book or you're still working on your second book? I'm trying to remember. It's been a minute since we talked. Speaker 3 (2:06) Yeah, I started on my second book this year. Yeah, I got like about halfway through and then I've hit kind of like a hard stop because the next few months I got a lot of conferences and speaking gigs and I'm going to Israel. So it's like I have to put a pause on it, man. I got so much stuff going on, but I'm hoping to have it finished by the end of Speaker 4 (2:25) the year. Absolutely. Dude, hold on. Do you have tattoos? Oh, covered. Okay, dude. When you go to Israel, do you know what cities in Israel you're going to yet? Or do you just know you're going to the nation of? Because if you're going to Jerusalem, you have to go to the Christian neighborhood. It's been the same neighborhood for the last 700 years. There is a family that has operated a tattoo shop in this neighborhood for 700 years, and they are still tattooing in the traditional way at this spot. Dude, you go and you got to get you at least something. It doesn't have to be something fancy. Okay, these aren't like crazy needles. Like, they're doing the old tap, and you know what I'm saying? But if you're going, if you happen to stop in Jerusalem, you got to get this, brother. Speaker 3 (3:07) Oh, yeah, I have to look into that. Yeah, we're going into Tel Aviv, and we're going to see the Mount of Olives. Speaker 3 (3:16) I'm trying to think the garden, uh, we're going to, uh, Shiloh. Uh, we'll go see the wild. There's all kinds of places that's planted on the, on the trip there. Speaker 4 (3:26) That's phenomenal, dude. Yeah. I'm hoping that you have a safe trip as well. You know, a lot of people, let's be honest, legacy media, mainstream media, depending on where you get your information. this, what you're doing right now sounds like you're crazy. You're going to a war zone or it's like, no, actually I'm just going on a basic vacation. These trips are still happening right now. Like it's nothing, there's no big deal to it. So like, I'm hoping that no crazy shit pops off while you're there, dude. I hope you have a safe and fun and a spiritual trip. Speaker 3 (4:03) Hey, man, I appreciate it. Yeah, I even kind of told Joseph Riverwind, because I'm going with the Riverwinds. They're the ones that invited me. And I was like, when they first invited me, I was like, Speaker 2 (4:12) yeah, man, hopefully by then stuff will be settled Speaker 3 (4:14) down a little bit over there. He said, ah, Justin, he said, it's pretty settled right now. He said, we've been over there like 12 times. He said, there's always something going on over there. He said, I've never felt unsafe whatsoever. He said, and... I think he said one of the trips they were at, they could actually hear the sirens going off and hear some bombs like in the distance. You know, he said, but he said it was far away. So I never felt that my life was in danger. He said, right. Once in a lifetime opportunity. So don't let, like you had said, legacy media and fear cripple you. Speaker 4 (4:46) Dude, as far as that goes, people act like that's a crazy thing. That's a lie. That's where, bro, I've had homies in, I have homies all over the world. Because I have lived a life where, oddly enough, I just happen to have made connections. You know what I mean? It's not like I talk to these people on a weekly basis. But I have had multiple people I know grew up in Israel. And, yeah, like every day going to and from school on their daily commute, they would hear the sirens. They would have to stop their car on the side of the road. The mom, the dad, the kids would have to get out of their car, go like huddle in the ditch, and they would pray. And then once the sirens stopped, they would get up, get back in their cars, and go to work. And we're not talking about... because of that but no dude we're talking like in 2002 we're talking about like 97 and people are that's bullshit but okay whatever okay like that is normal life to certain people and these people live their lives and it's they don't feel unsafe they don't go like crazy and they don't stop living right so yeah it's that's that's been the norm so yeah you're gonna you're gonna hear some pop shots or whatever but okay go to any urban American town. You know what I mean? Whatever. Speaker 3 (5:56) Yeah, go to Memphis. Speaker 4 (5:57) You know what I'm saying? Like, go to New Orleans in the right kind of ward. Like, okay, same, same, same. Speaker 3 (6:07) Most of the stuff anyway right now is focused in that straight or her moves anyway. Speaker 4 (6:12) Yeah, and now Saudi Arabia, because they just got their oil pipeline hit by the Houthis, and Iran was like about that life or whatever. So, oh my God. Anyway, anyway. The shit's going sideways. Nothing new here. It's the Middle East. It's been doing this for quite some time, you know? Yeah. But anyway, man, so I'm trying to remember. We talked before we even started recording, and we were like on a roll, but we actually had you on to talk about a specific topic, if I'm not mistaken. Speaker 3 (6:46) Yeah, because I talked to you pre-roll, and I was like, man, I can't remember the last time I came on what we talked about, but I know we had talked about the serpent seed before. We talked about the six-day man, the epica bee saw. But I had asked you if I'd come on to talk about my new book, and then as we were talking, I was like, well, no, I couldn't have because I just started it this year, and it's been about a year since I've been... back on with you. So I'm going to dive into my second book, which the title is still kind of, you know, working, but I've been kind of set on it. I like it pretty good, but I'm thinking about calling it the tale of two trees chasing the dragon. So a little, little pun there, but, but my first book, Speaker 1 (7:34) the Speaker 3 (7:34) epic of Esau is what got me into the whole serpent seed thing. And then that kind of got me into looking into the secular view. And then I found through Nicholas DeVere, Lawrence Gardner, and of course, Gary Wayne, there is this bloodline. There's actually multiple bloodlines of these royals, these elites. And Speaker 2 (7:55) they Speaker 3 (7:56) come right out and say, you know, they are of the dragon seed. And they even call it the dragon court. And DeVere in his work says that outright that they stem from the Anunnaki and that they are a subhuman race. bred with the divine right to rule over the sheeple. So it got me looking into that and what they believe and all their legends. And it just opened up into a huge web of occult practices, drinking of blood, which they called imperial vampirism. Just all kinds of, you know, really wild topics out there that got me down this rabbit hole. Speaker 4 (8:36) Good God. And all that started because of the Epic of Esau. and the research that was associated with this. And when you say, just backtracking a bit, for those that don't know the story of Enoch and the story of Esau and the serpent seed, I highly recommend you go back and listen to that episode where he came on and discussed this. But when you say this led you to look at the secular worldview of the events, what events in particular are you talking about that you would really look at? When you say secular worldview, do you mean actual... what we might call documented, citable historical events that lined up with the other line stories of the Epic of Esau? Speaker 3 (9:17) Yes. So when I got to looking through, you know, the whole serpent seed and the battle of the birthright, the two genealogies, the two trees, I found it played out in history. So these people are saying the exact same thing. Genesis is describing. I will put enmity between her seed and thy seed, and the ones with the divine right to rule, the battle of the birthright. So there's actual families and histories recorded that mirror right alongside of this biblical narrative. Speaker 4 (9:50) Okay. See, I love to look at that because I forget who I was talking to just the other day. They were asking about Jesus just on a very open give me your elevator speech boom and I was like okay that was a weird thing to hit me with but let's go because me and this person we've been kind of having some deep conversations lately just on some personal shit and so I basically broke down who Jesus was versus who scholars say he was and with that I would use biblical scholars but also secular sources so that's you always have to go that route it's like with the story of Jesus We have four completed biographies of his life written from what we can say beyond a shadow of any reasonable doubt that they were eyewitnesses to the events as they were unfolding, which in this world that we are talking about, as far as validity goes, is the best you can hope for, whether it's a court case or whether that's historically documented events. There is only one other person in history that had four biographies written about them, and that was the fucking Caesar of Rome. So if we're going to be very honest here, if you're going to question that this dude existed, you're also questioning if Alexander the Great ever rode. You know what I'm saying? That's the level of you don't believe we're talking about. So we look at secular sources. We have at least 14 secular sources, meaning not within the parameters of Jesus' followers, his believers, anything like that, which are from that time period that also cooperate stories of this guy. Speaker 4 (11:25) At that point, you are left with, is he who he claimed to be? Did these events actually happen that had these spinoff effects? And oh, holy shit, the entirety of Western civilization is based off of a framework and model, based off of this dude's speakings. And every religion has a story about him. And nobody has a question about the fact that he existed. But for some reason, they question who he was rather than listening to who he said he was. And that is between you and him at that point. So anyway, beside the point, I like saying that you also have to look at secular sources because we have said that history is written by the victors and there's a bit of washing of certain historical narratives from time to time. So to see that these things are truthful in fact, and then to see how it lines up with the stories from the religious texts that line up one-to-one, that's, to me, massive. Speaker 3 (12:21) No, it's a foolproof way because either you believe in the biblical narrative or you don't. So therefore, when you cover both sides, it doesn't matter what side of the fence you're on. You're pointing them to the truth. Speaker 4 (12:32) Okay. So within that level of research, looking at the Epic of Esau, where did it start as far as like the earliest source you can find, earliest tribe or nation or, you know what I'm saying, to line up to say that this was that dragon bloodline, if you will? Speaker 1 (12:50) For many of us, going further isn't a choice. It's a feeling we can't ignore. Because ambition has a way of outgrowing where it began. Turning dreams into direction. Every journey brings us closer to the life we imagine. So, where will your journey take you? Etihad. Beyond Borders. Speaker 3 (13:20) Yeah, well, I guess to start, I'm not going to rehash old tires here, but like we talked about in that episode with the serpent seed, Speaker 1 (13:28) there's Speaker 3 (13:30) a lot of people that interpret what happened in the garden as an allegory for a sexual act. Speaker 4 (13:35) When Speaker 3 (13:36) you get into the original Hebrew, instead of it saying that Eve partook of this tree and ate, that same Hebrew word is translated many times as enjoys. So she partook of the tree and enjoyed. Speaker 2 (13:49) And Speaker 3 (13:49) what happens afterwards? They cover their sexual reproductive organs. Here comes the curses. All the curses have to do with sexual reproduction, painful menstruations, painful labor and childbirth. He'll put enmity between her seed and thy seed, you know, talking to the serpent. And what happens? As soon as they get out of the garden, there's enmity there. You know, Cain kills Abel. And so there is the start. of this bloodline, the tale of the two trees. Speaker 4 (14:19) And Speaker 3 (14:19) that's why I was kind of naming the book that. And as you go through, you see that repeated theme all the way through with Jacob and Esau and the whole micro narrative of the family of God. The elder brother who should get the birthright in legal terms is the angelic race. Job tells us that they were there to witness the sight of creation and sang for joy. Then here we come later. We're the younger brother. But God favors the younger repeatedly throughout Scripture. And that's kind of what these dragon court people, they say, you know, that they were the ones. They were the elder brother. They were born with the divine right to rule. And so when I got to seeing that, I'm trying to think. It was Nicholas de Vere in his book, The Dragon Legacy. I got exposed to that through Gary Wayne, and I found that verse where he just comes right out and says, we were a subhuman race from the Anunnaki, and we were given the divine right to rule over the sheep. Well, I'm like, oh my gosh, that's the serpency. That is the Genesis 6 narrative. And it just took off from there. Speaker 4 (15:34) So that's the book that you're currently working on. As well as absolutely killing it as a content creator. You're a busy dude, bro. Really. I mean, grinding it out. Speaker 3 (15:47) Oh, you got to, man. But that's the thing. It's like a lot of people think, oh, it's so easy. You could just sit back and talk and make all this money and, you know, and then complain about the ads, you know, because, you know, they work for free. You know, they expect you to also. But they think it's just so easy and you make all this money. No, man, you've got to grind posting five, six times a week just to make a decent living like a factory worker, an old factory rat. Speaker 2 (16:16) So it has Speaker 3 (16:17) to be a labor of love. And that's why the ones that stick around and make it, they're obsessed. They love what they do because until Speaker 4 (16:26) you get to Joe Rogan. Mental burnout is real. And then there's ones that just. They don't really have that when it comes to this is what they're cut out for. I feel you. Speaker 3 (16:37) Yeah. So they get in thinking, oh, it's so easy and I can make all this money. And then they get one or two months in, they realize that you're clocking in, you know, 60 to 80 hours a week and you're making, you know, half, especially, you know, in the beginning. I mean, I'm a wage worker makes and you're like, oh my God, this is stupid. That's why you see so many people quit. But yeah, it has to be a labor of love. And if you love it, you're going to grind away at it. And eventually, the way I look at it, the law of average has to kick in at some point. Speaker 4 (17:08) You ain't lying, dude. And as soon as you get you an accountant who teaches you LLCs and S-Corps and why this is important and how to play the tax game, it's like, oh, God. People are getting fucked. The tax system is made for business owners, not individuals. Because it was written by people who had vested interests in businesses. Oh my God. The very simplest of LLCs. The tax write-off game that people are losing just by living their daily life is astounding. Speaker 4 (17:40) But yeah. And then you're able to play that game as well as talk about something you're passionate about for a living. It's, it's mind blowing the blessings, you know, but Speaker 3 (17:49) yeah. Oh yeah. Absolutely love it. Yeah. Cause I used to cram every little bit of time I had off of my factory job to read and research and find these things out just for myself before I even started talking about them. You know, then once I started talking about them, I seen, Hey man, I have to work really hard, but it's a possibility that I could do this as a job. Dude. So yeah, dude, I'm going to go all out. Speaker 4 (18:13) Yes. And that absolutely. I've said that a million times. Like, dude, I would be looking into these things regardless that there was a microphone on my face or not. Like on some, I was looking into this shit while I was at work between shifts before podcasting. You know what I mean? This is just something I was always interested in and looking into and peeling back the layers of shit. I just happened to stumble into this weird. network, but I absolutely love it. You know? Oh yeah. Dude. And then 10 years ago, did you think that you were be a published author? Speaker 3 (18:46) No, no way. Ten years ago, you know, ten years ago, and especially like high school, if you talk to people that knew me, it's like they would have laughed and I would have laughed with them. If somebody said, oh, yeah, you know, Justin's going to be a podcaster and YouTuber and talk about, you know, ancient mysteries in the Bible and all this stuff and write books and speak at conferences, I'll be like, man, what are you smoking? Right, right, right. Speaker 4 (19:13) Dude, absolutely. But I mean, hey, that's... So were you a reader before actually getting into it and wanting to write your own book? Like, were you always kind of a passionate reader type person? As you can see, like, Raven Lee's shit's behind me. So there's like books galore. This is a very small bookshelf in the studio, not to mention the bookshelves she has at her house. Like, she's a reader. Were you a reader beforehand? Speaker 3 (19:40) No, and that's the thing. I never read anything that I wasn't made to read, hated to read. I was that pot-smoking jock through school. I didn't read. I was that C-plus average guy just because I was just lazy and had my mind on other things. I'm trying to think. It was maybe around 2012, 2013, I got exposed to some of this kind of stuff. Then I started reading. Then once I started reading, man, it's just like a... fire that I couldn't quench. I was reading everything I could get my hands on, these subjects. I've done that for six, seven years. Then I started just doing little videos like on Facebook, I think, talking to my friends and family about some of the stuff that I was finding. It eventually led me here. Speaker 4 (20:26) Absolutely, dude. Are you the type that has read the Bible cover to cover? I can say that I am not yet. I would like to one of these days. It's just... like dedicating every time every day at a certain time for that task you know what i mean i'm in it i'm always looking into certain things but actually like with the intent and purpose of covering the entire book you know they got like the daily devotional in a year and stuff have you read the bible cover to cover Speaker 3 (20:51) I mean, not from like starting from front and going all the way through the back, but through the years, I've probably read through the whole thing at least twice. But it's just like you. It's I'll get something in my head, then I'll pull out and I'll start reading and I'll, you know, read four or five chapters or a whole book and then, you know, dive around and go through logos. And if I'm searching a different subject of something, I'll Speaker 4 (21:15) use Speaker 3 (21:15) logos. Yeah, I love logos, Speaker 4 (21:18) bro. I wish logos would hit me with a, with a sponsorship deal. Hell I'll just promote it for free, but whatever logos. I do it all the time. Speaker 3 (21:25) So it's Speaker 4 (21:26) like, they Speaker 3 (21:27) owe me a lot of money. I'm always bragging on them and telling everybody to check out logos. Speaker 4 (21:31) Absolutely. Dude. Uh, uh, uh, RK. Oh shit. What's his name? He's a Christian KD. Ruslan KD. He actually is the one that first put me on logo software. Like dude, I, cause I love his content also, but, um, But yeah, so you're looking into the word for the same reason. But dude, every now and then somebody will hit me with a story that I forgot about and I have to like refresh myself. And as they're talking, I'll be like, hold on, I Google some shit real quick. It was the other day on the live. One of the cult members, we do the live every Tuesday night, 9 p.m. Central. And if you want to be a part of that, go to Patreon. I'll get the plug for that here in a moment. But basically he asked me about why Jephthah had to sacrifice his daughter. Why didn't God save the daughter as, you know, Abraham's. he saved Isaac so like what's that about and I'm like Jephthah Speaker 4 (22:23) Yeah, it's been a minute. Hold on. You know, even if you read it cover to cover, that doesn't mean you're going to have instant recall. It's a rather dense tone, you know what I mean? But anyway, I had to look it up. And then we got into a back and forth about was the point of the story to not write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash when the time comes? Or maybe, you know, be a little more. Don't swear oaths and allegiances and make. promises that are sometimes things you can't keep or is it a story about you having to be faithful regardless of what you did it's it's a thing but it was like damn i forgot all about that story until this dude brought it up that happens to me a good bit these days to be honest bro it's yeah i'm sorry Speaker 3 (23:08) there's a lot and if you do be a man of your word even when it hurts yeah Speaker 4 (23:14) anyway Speaker 4 (23:19) So, yeah. So, damn, I forgot where I was going with that, too. Oh, actually, you know what? For many Speaker 1 (23:26) of us, going further isn't a choice. It's a feeling we can't ignore because ambition has a way of outgrowing where it began, turning dreams into direction. Every journey brings us closer to the life we imagine. Speaker 1 (23:48) So, where will your journey take you? Etihad. Beyond Borders. Speaker 4 (23:55) We could talk about the fact that you could see this show and also get this show absolutely commercial for y'all only at patreon.com slash gold conspiracy podcast. It's Speaker 1 (24:06) the Speaker 4 (24:06) only place to get the video of these shows. As Speaker 1 (24:07) a Speaker 4 (24:07) matter of fact, YouTube still hates us. We're working on it. We'll see how it goes. But if you go to the show notes below, you'll see patreon.com. There are a couple of tiers for entry. That lowest level tier, $5 a month. You get these shows a couple of days in advance. Actually, pretty much as soon as the editor's done with them, it goes out to all the good cult members. And like I said, commercial-free listening. And if you go to that third eye all the way up in tier, you could be a part of the cult member live event every Tuesday night at 9 p.m. Central where that conversation that I was just having actually took place. So as of time of recording, you know what I'm saying? 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One of the new Manic members are going to be receiving that Speaker 2 (25:22) koozie. Speaker 4 (25:22) But anyway. Come check us out over there, and we thank all the cult members that have already gone and done so. Anyway, Speaker 2 (25:27) sorry about that. Had to do the shameless plug at Speaker 3 (25:30) some point. Speaker 4 (25:30) Oh, Speaker 3 (25:31) yeah. I love the commercial free. Speaker 4 (25:34) Yeah, I forget when we actually got this mixer. Jonathan was showing me all the little voice-up things like, you Speaker 1 (25:40) know, you can fuck it up and do Speaker 4 (25:42) this. Or, oh, shit, where's the one? Oh, the high-pitched one. Speaker 2 (25:47) Yeah, this one. We were just screwing around one day in the studio as every person who's a child who's never had a microphone in their face finds these buttons and you fuck around with them. Speaker 4 (25:59) You find out. You find out. You do whatever. We were doing the ad read one day. It wasn't even ad read. It's for our Patreon. Just whatever. For some reason, I just had the dumb idea to just hit that button and run with it. I don't know. We just thought it was the stupidest yet funniest thing ever. And it just kind of stuck. So, man, Speaker 3 (26:22) I love it. It's an attention grabber. Speaker 4 (26:25) Absolutely. Wake Speaker 3 (26:26) up. Speaker 4 (26:30) So, I mean, you're making your rounds. You're out there spreading the word. What have you been diving into lately? I mean, aside from your book and aside from the podcast itself, what's really been like, what's been revving your engine here lately, bro? Speaker 3 (26:42) Yeah, honestly, the whole book thing, that's been like an obsession. Research and find all that stuff out because there's so many historical figures that are tied into this dragon court that the majority of the population just doesn't even know. And some that are very well known. You know, you've got Vlad the Impaler. You've got even Charlemagne is wrapped up in this. There's a legend with him and a dragon ring that was given to him by a serpent. Just all kinds of cool stuff like that. But here recently, I've kind of got into going around and trying to film at different places, which I've been doing that for a little while now. Going to mounds and doing drone work and setting up a tripod and doing some talk ahead stuff, like little mini doc stuff like that for my paying members. Speaker 4 (27:32) But Speaker 3 (27:32) I had recently found out, because I'm right on the northeastern tip of Tennessee, bordering western North Carolina. And I found out about this Cherokee legend about this guy named Judah Kola. And he was a giant. He was described as like a giant wild man covered in hair. He was the lord of the hunt and the forest. And for the Cherokee to come onto his sacred ground and hunt, they had to ask for permission and all this kind of stuff. And all kinds of legends and lore surrounding this guy. But it was just, you know. two hours away from where I live, and there's this huge rock they call Judicola Rock, and it's got all this Native American inscriptions in it, and there's a seven-fingered handprint in it. And the legend says that he saw some Native American kids hunting without his permission, and up on his throne on top of the mountain, leaped off to scare the kids off, and when he landed, his hand hit the rock and left the seven-fingered Speaker 2 (28:33) handprint. And then close by where he jumped from, there's this like throne looking cave Speaker 3 (28:40) kind of thing. And the colonials came in, they seen Judah Culler as a devil. So they heard these legends and stories and that was his judgment seat where he said cast judgment and stuff. So they called it the devil's courtroom. So you got that there. And then there's like a mound complex, not that far off attributed to Judah Culler and legends with him. I've actually been doing a lot of research on him, and I went out there maybe two weeks ago now, and I went to the Judicola Rock, and I've done some drone work and some talking head stuff. So I've been working on some stuff with him since that's right in my back door. Speaker 4 (29:20) No doubt. Wait, with some drone stuff? What do you mean? Like kind of surveying the land from up top? Speaker 3 (29:25) Yeah, just kind of flying over the rock and looking at stuff. I want to go back and go to the mound and to his judgment seat and get some good aerial footage and stuff. Make me a little mini Judah Cola doc or something. Speaker 4 (29:40) Dude, that would be sick. Native American lore is so fascinating, but it's one of these things that it kind of bums me out because everybody knows at least a working knowledge of the Norse pagan. Mythos, folklore, religion, whatever you want to say. Everybody knows who certain names are. The Native American lore is so intricate and so fascinating and also so different from these, but no one in America knows about them. And it's literally on this land we stand on. And I'm not saying that to be some sort of a liberal land acknowledgement. Don't get fucked. But you know what I'm saying? Like, Speaker 3 (30:18) I'm Speaker 4 (30:20) very curious. The land that I'm currently standing on, the people that lived here a thousand years ago. What did they believe? What was their lore? What was their monsters, if you will? And, you know, a lot of Native American stuff is not written down. But I'm just saying, it's fascinating to look at whenever we do have these sources. Speaker 3 (30:38) Oh, yeah. For me, it's even a little closer to home because I have a lot of Cherokee in my bloodline. Are you a member of the nation? I'm not like a registered member or nothing like that. Oh, bro, you should be. Speaker 4 (30:53) It's just some paperwork. Speaker 3 (30:54) Oh, yeah, I could. Even the Riverwinds, they've talked to me about it. It's like, hey, man, if you want to, we can do all that if you want. Which he's from Puerto Rico. Speaker 4 (31:04) I Speaker 3 (31:04) can't remember what the name of the tribe was now. Speaker 4 (31:08) Oh, no, dude, if you can prove your bloodline, you're good to go. Speaker 3 (31:13) So I guess I got a special affinity for it, especially with the Judah Cola stuff, because that's my people's stories. Speaker 4 (31:21) Absolutely. Wow. Okay, so what other kind of lore and legend have you found that also kind of... has confirmed what we already thought from the other story. I mean, I don't want you to give away the entire plot of the book here, but at the same time, you're talking about these historical figures. So, I mean, Vlad the Impaler, obviously he was called the dragon, Vlad Dracul, I got that. They were very on the nose with that example, right? Got you. You brought up Charlemagne. Now... I haven't heard a legend about, I mean, are we talking about like on some medieval romance novel shit, he went and slayed a dragon or is there actually a, a true lineage of a story on that one? Speaker 3 (32:03) That's the thing is like me. I think there's a blurry line because you have. You have mythology and then you have legends and legends are stemmed from historical events, but there's been some embellishments added for entertainment value. And also too, especially during like the medieval time, you had these people that were. felt like they couldn't speak freely. You know, I mean, you had the Roman Catholic Church. That's why you had the secret societies. They had to weave in allegories and stuff into their stories for the people that are initiated to pass the knowledge secretly and things like that. So this was a story recorded like, you know, in German legends, you know, Germania, which I actually got that pulled up. I can just show you because I first found it. when reading Nicholas de Beres of Dragon Court. He just kind of briefly mentioned it, and he just kind of gave the overview. And basically what he was saying was, and it's debated by scholars, but it's either his third or fourth wife was Fristrada, and she was from Francia. Germany. It landed the Anjou. So we're talking about the northwestern tip bordering the... the sea and where you get into Wales, Ireland, all that kind of stuff. Speaker 4 (33:27) Wait, what was the area she called it? Speaker 3 (33:31) The Anjou, you know, the Anjou families. No, no, no. You said Speaker 4 (33:34) Francia, and then you said England. Hold on. Francia, I thought you were talking about, like, what would be called, like, the Franks, which is like the German French, you know, that area of the world. Speaker 3 (33:45) Well, back then, most of Europe, they considered, you know, Francia. And even when Charlemagne inherited it, it was, like, busted up that whole region between him and, like, his three brothers or whatever. So he ended up consolidating them all. But like, where this centers from is like Melusine, the way the stories go, all