People and Places: The Geography of a CFO Career

CFO THOUGHT LEADER

This episode explores how physical geography and location influence the career trajectories of finance leaders. Through five distinct case s

Key takeaways

• Mike Brower utilized Wyoming's tight-knit business community to transition between industries including accounting, insurance, and M&A.
• Tim Zue leveraged the Boston ecosystem—including MIT and local schools—to pivot from teaching into a CFO role at the Red Sox.

Main topics

• Impact of geography on executive careers
• Networking in small business communities

Notable quotes

A city can create a network. A region can determine which industries a young accountant encounters.

Conclusion

Geography is not merely a backdrop for professional success but an act

Transcript preview

Speaker 4 (0:00) Support for CFO Thought Leader comes from Salesforce. Unify selling and billing for a seamless customer experience. And OneStream. Trusted data. Faster decisions. Bonus episode. Speaker 4 (0:22) We tend to tell executive career stories as though geography were incidental. A promising opportunity arises, a company recruits the right person, an executive accepts the position. The map merely records what happened next. But listen closely to the career journeys of finance leaders. And place often seems to be doing far more work. then the resume allows us to see. A city can create a network. A region can determine which industries a young accountant encounters. A move can offer a family the life that a more prestigious address could not. And sometimes, the place an executive repeatedly chooses not to leave becomes as consequential as any promotion or job title. In this episode, we hear from five finance leaders whose careers were shaped by very different geographies. For Mike Brower, Wyoming's close-knit business community allowed relationships to compound across accounting, restaurants, insurance, and mergers and acquisitions. For Tim Zhu, Boston became an ecosystem. MIT, Bain, the Boston Public Schools, and eventually Fenway Park were a speculative email. led to an unpaid internship, and years later, the CFO office. For Greg Clavinger, Rochester, New York offered something that Singapore, Hong Kong, and Manhattan had not. The opportunity to reset both the career and family life. Dallas Clement arrived in Atlanta expecting another career chapter. More than three decades later, his story reveals how staying can become a series of active decisions rather than an absence of ambition. And Michael Bannon assumed that his first operating role would keep him in the Bay Area. Instead, one conversation with a London company redirected both his career and his family's geography. 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Cheyenne, Wyoming. When the local network becomes the career path. Speaker 4 (4:32) Mike Brower followed what might initially sound like a traditional finance route, an accounting degree from the University of Wyoming, public accounting, and then a controller position with Taco John's International. What followed was less predictable. Brower was able to remain in Wyoming while moving across industries and accumulating increasingly broad responsibilities. The state's relatively small business community meant that clients, employers, and future partners frequently knew one another. An insurance firm that handled Taco John's account later placed a supposedly blind advertisement for a finance executive in the Sunday newspaper. Brower immediately knew who had placed it. What happened next illustrates how local network can expand rather than restrict a finance career and how Wyoming itself became the setting for Brower's first CFO role and first significant M &A experience. Speaker 4 (5:51) You had had several CFO tours of duty. And what I think is interesting is that you're able to remain in that geography as you built your career. And it's such a variety. It's, you know, different industries and what have you. How am I doing? Do you think that's a fair assessment of what you... Yeah, Speaker 3 (6:09) absolutely. From Taco John's, I went into insurance, which was a great opportunity. We did property and casualty insurance. We were a large brokerage. You got to remember... This is Wyoming, mid-90s, pretty small. You know, everyone kind of knows everyone. And they wrote our insurance at Taco John's, and they actually put a blind ad in the newspaper. Back then, you went to the newspaper to find jobs and stuff like that. And usually it was in the Sunday newspaper. And so I looked at the ad in the Sunday newspaper, and I thought, hmm, I know who that is. And they, you know, it was a blind ad. So I called the guys up. The one guy's name was Bill Murray. We called him Murph. And the other guy was Garth Boreski. And I called him up and I said, hey guys, if you're looking for someone, I'd be perfect for it. And I'd love to talk to you about it. Well, we don't want to lose the account. I said, you're not going to lose the account. Barry's not going to, Barry was the CFO. Barry's not going to take the account away because you, you know, took their, you took his controller. And so we worked it out and eventually I came on board there and it was great. We did, it was a time that was kind of exciting for insurance. We did, I went through a lot of M &A stuff. The one guy, Bill Murray, his family had owned the business since 1877. The business is over 120 years old almost. Speaker 3 (7:36) There's a lot of old families in the insurance business in Wyoming. And we had an office in Cheyenne, and then we had one up in Sheridan and one in Jackson Hole. We were looking for a presence in the middle of the state, and the second oldest agency in the state, and probably the second largest agency in the state, was in Casper. And we went up and we negotiated the deal. We had a consultant out of Chicago who helped us with it. It actually helped. Bill and Garth buy the agency from his uncles and the family. Now, had you done a deal before? No. No, at that time, I had not done a deal. And this was my first dabble into any kind of M &A stuff. And I learned quite a bit. We structured the agreement so that we were paid out based upon the performance and what happened after the sale. So we set a benchmark at the beginning. That was the established price when we closed the sale. And then two years down the road, we revalued it and then adjusted the purchase price at that time. You know, we bought it on a contract with them, with the owners. And it was an interesting purchase. And then we ended up three years after we bought that, turned around and sold it for probably about an eight multiple of what we bought it for. Speaker 3 (9:02) to the banking industry because the laws in Wyoming had changed and banks were allowed to sell insurance. And Bank of the West was really interested in getting into the insurance business in Wyoming. And they came and offered us a great price. And we said, sure. Speaker 4 (9:25) Mike Brower went on to complete a five-year tenure as CFO of Office Evolution and today is with M2 Orthopedics. His story remains a reminder that a finance career can gain breadth not only by crossing geographies, but by becoming deeply connected to the businesses and people of one region. Speaker 4 (9:53) Boston, when a city's institutions begin to connect. Speaker 4 (9:59) Tim Zhu's journey to the CFO office of the Boston Red Sox did not begin in accounting. He studied mechanical engineering at MIT, worked as a management consultant with Bain, and then made what he calls a career 180 by becoming an eighth-grade math teacher in the Boston public schools. Between his third and fourth years of teaching, Zoo wondered whether he might spend the summer working as an unpaid intern for the Red Sox. He guessed the email address of then-CEO Larry Lucchino and sent him a