Finally! Tucker Calls Out “Rot” At TPUSA. Erika Kirk Forces Another High School Event. | Ep 389

Candace

Candace discusses TPUSA's security failures at the UVU event, Tucker Carlson's criticism of Blake Neff, and Erika Kirk's controversial high

Key takeaways

• TPUSA's UVU chapter declined an ambulance despite expecting over 3,000 attendees, citing their own security team instead.
• Internal communications show TPUSA underestimated attendance and failed to document key safety updates.

Main topics

• TPUSA UVU event security failures
• Tucker Carlson's criticism of Blake Neff

Notable quotes

"It was them who denied the ambulance, and they explained that away."

"You can't be lying by omission. I do not accept that."

Conclusion

Candace argues that TPUSA's current leadership, particularly Erika Kir

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) All right, you guys. Happy Thursday. I'm sorry we are running a little bit late today. Just a lot going on. First and foremost, I'm very pregnant, so I'm just feeling chubby. Shout out to all of the chubby people who are tired today as well. And I also got into a Twitter spat with Andrew Colvette back and forth. Finally got him to concede my point that he was, as usual, lying by severe omission about a quote-unquote secret event that Erica had at a... middle slash high school today in Idaho. I'm going to walk you through that. We're going to address them sort of doing all of these events across high schools in America and why I believe it is clearly not what Charlie's vision was for the Club America. I'm going to actually let you guys hear Charlie in his own words. What an idea. They don't seem to do that very often. Beyond that, I found a crazy text thread between me and Andrew Colvette. from 2019, and it genuinely feels like another piece of the puzzle regarding him and Erica Fransve and their intentions. I'm going to let you guys be the judge. Tell me what you think. And at long last, Tucker Carlson calls out his perfidious former employee, Blake Neff, and his beyond slimy attempt to hijack Charlie's true voice. Welcome back to Candace. Speaker 1 (1:27) Okay, there really is a lot going on today. There's a lot to unpack. I hope we get to everything. It might just have to be a long episode. Foremost, I do want to address something as an addendum to yesterday's episode. Truly, I don't know how I missed this article from last year. It must have been a very big deal online. Probably I missed it because it was during the exact week that I received information regarding a threat on my life from France. But there was a story that I genuinely didn't see. And it goes a very long way in terms of answering why there was no ambulance on standby at the UVU event, something that I was completely miffed by in September and October when I began covering the story. And the answer, as you very well may know, is because Turning Point USA's UVU chapter. declined it. That's the answer. On the actual form request with the school, they checked no to needing an ambulance. Now, like I said, I'm sure there are a lot of you who knew that, but in case there are people like me that slept through these articles in November, I just want to make sure I also assert it on my show. It's unacceptable that I missed this, to be honest with you, but better late than never. So ABC News released a very detailed report on November 18th regarding how the event came together. You can check it out here. The headline is, plans estimated 600 people would come to the event where Charlie Kirk was shot. Over 3,000 showed up. Now, we learned in this article why there wasn't any ambulance on standby. That's the big thing. And like I said, TPUSA in mid-July, to be precise, on July 18th, filled out a form to host this event. And I'm talking about the TPUSA club chapter at UVU. And they at first selected that there would be max 200 people in attendance. And by the way, that was... pretty reasonable estimate, despite what they are now claiming in that recent filing, like you should have been prepared, you should have known. It actually turns out that the last time Charlie Kirk had been to Utah was in April of 2024, and he was at the University of Utah, and they had 200 people show up. That's according to ABC News. They then adjusted that amount from 200. up to 600 people max that would be attending. They adjusted that a few weeks later. And I find it interesting that ABC doesn't want to get specific. Like, what does a few weeks later mean? Because to be clear, the event form was filled out in mid-July. A few weeks later would mean you were just coming up upon the event altogether. And yet remarkably, 3,000 people show up for this event, which was barely advertised. And I noted right away. It was a crowd of adults. This did not look to me like a typical Turning Point USA event. I said I had never seen a crowd look like this. I have actually done Utah Valley University with Charlie. So I'm speaking on my own experience. We had a majority student crowd. Everything just was completely different. And the article then quotes Chief Jeff Long, who, in my view, is being completely victimized by. Turning Point USA's PR machine. They're looking for somebody to pin this on. He's being wrongfully called out, sinfully misrepresented by Turning Point's vicious PR team. In fact, it'd be interesting to see whether or not he has a lawsuit on his hands. But anyway, it reads in this article, when officials at Utah Valley University approved the plans for Charlie Kirk's appearance at the school on September 10th as part of his American comeback tour, they expected roughly 600 people would be there, according to newly released plans. Jeff Long says, quote, we had probably over 3,000 people who were in attendance. Jeffrey Long told reporters at a press conference shortly after the incident, noting that they had six officers working at the event and Kirk had his own security team. But here's where it gets really interesting. In a statement to ABC News, a Turning Point USA official, so this is now Turning Point USA, Erica's Turning Point USA official said, quote, on an online form submitted in early July. A TPUSA UVU chapter member selected 200 plus as the max attendance option available on the school's online form. An estimate of 600 was later provided a few weeks later via an event request form, which was based on a similar event the year prior at the University of Utah. Subsequent conversations between the school and TPUSA's safety team updated that estimate to 1,500 based on more recent prove-me-wrong campus events. So that's where they're sort of saying like, oh, well, now there was a conversation that is not documented and there's no paperwork, but there definitely was this 1,500 conversation. And they go on to say the events are unticketed and open to the public, talking about the prove-me-wrong events, including those just walking by. but PD and event coordinators estimated the attendance at approximately 3,000. While the tour stop was slated to take place in the Sorensen Student Center courtyard and ultimately ended up occurring there, someone with a UVU email address whose name was redacted by the school suggested that the event be held elsewhere on campus. They wrote, quote, also, we think that the... Fulton Library Quad would be better space-wise for the group if they get a large crowd in the area, the sender wrote on August 21st, apparently referring to the Fulton Library Quad across campus. The recipient of the message's name was also redacted by UVU. Speaker 2 (6:51) So this Speaker 1 (6:52) shows that Turning Point USA essentially was totally fine with people walking up. They said it's like the Prove Me Wrong events where people walk up. That is correct. I have done these events with Charlie. Speaker 1 (7:03) You can find these, Candace and Charlie sitting down and there's no crowd control. There's no ticketing. So if that's the style of the event that they were okay with and communicated with to UVU, how can they suddenly pretend like they were woefully unprepared for Charlie Kirk? That's what he does. That's what he's been doing. This is how it's always run. There's no ticket and no traffic control. And you guys conceded those points to ABC News in November. And then we learn in this article that the records released by UVU to ABC News indicate that when the event was being planned, in response to the section of the questionnaire that said, will EMS need to be scheduled for your event, the unidentified person who filled out the form wrote no. A Turning Point USA official, again, is going to back up this club, told ABC News that there were two UVU. Emergency medical personnel on site, but not an ambulance. And here's the reason they offer, quote, because TPUSA's safety team staffed up for the event to 12 security on site, up from the usual eight to nine. A team comprised of ex-military and law enforcement personnel trained and equipped with a full emergency medical kit and field dressing expertise, the official said, end quote. Okay, so to recap. A Turning Point official back in November of last year acknowledged that it was them who denied the ambulance, and they explained that away. Then you recognize that it's that local UVU club chapter that did this via a form, and their excuse and response as to why they made that decision is because, well, our safety team had 12 security on site up from our usual eight, and they're remarkably equipped. Now all of a sudden in this filing, they're no longer equipped. Right. The larger TPUSA organization was defending the TPUSA chapter's decision not to have an ambulance on standby. It presents as though it was a collaborative decision. Fast forward 10 months and now the Kirk family lawyer is filing a document that the decision not to have an ambulance on standby was negligent and amounted to a wrongful death. So on the one hand, we have it was our decision. And on the other hand, we have even though we made the decision, you should have stopped us. Because Nancy Pelosi's husband was in his boxers and he got attacked at his home because Trump survived Butler. Why didn't you save us from ourselves? Yeah, it feels like textbook narcissistic abuse. I keep saying that with the way Turning Point USA is operating. There's something about it that just feels like textbook narcissistic abuse. Which brings me to this crazy text thread that I uncovered between myself and Andrew Colbert. dating back in 2019. And the only reason I covered this was because I was pulling all of these fun videos of me and Charlie on the road throughout all of the years and photos. And I came across this chain and my jaw just sort of hit the floor. It's crazy, especially in retrospect, because it really shows you that Andrew Colvette is a shameless liar. There's no way you're going to walk away from this chain, no matter what you think. You will recognize that this man is a shameless liar. So again, just to kind of give you some presets here, this is going to be a communication between me and Andrew from November of 2019. Okay. End of the year 2019. Also recall that recently, Andrew has been trying to spin to the public that Charlie and me were not friends since 2018. It was so wild and so crazy. I barely felt the need to defend myself because it's just, it's so out of control, so out of this world. And what is real can't be threatened. Anyway. It's crazy that he even says this because Charlie and Erica came to my wedding in August of 2019, a year beyond 2018. Then we hosted the Black Leadership Summit together, me and Charlie, in October of 2019 at the White House. Charlie and I, I mean, we spoke every day. It is so hard for me to go back and text messages because it just was constant communication all the time. But 2019 is a big year because, interestingly enough, as we know, this is when he begins dating Erica Franspe fully in public. So I find this chain from the end of that year. And I was just astonished because for whatever reason, in November of 2019, it became very obvious to me and Charlie, who were speaking daily, that people were trying to force either me or him to make a statement about one another. And we're like brothers and sisters, right? Like almost as though out of nowhere, some invisible hand was trying to present to the public like we were in some sort of a fight. And we were totally confused by this. And Charlie is texting me. He's the one that's actually being attacked the most day in and day out. And we're texting about it. And he's like, this is coordinated. This feels like it's coming down. I don't know who's behind this. All of a sudden, in the midst of this, I receive a text message from Andrew Colvette, who's relatively new to Turning Point USA as a PR person. And I want you to see this because you can immediately feel in this communication that my spidey senses went up. I'm like, this is very weird. Like, why are you communicating with me as opposed to Charlie? I actually am going to say that explicitly to him because like Charlie and me are brother and sister. We talk every day. Why are you giving me this information from Erica Fransfay? Okay, check this out. So it starts with, this is November 12th, 2019. And Andrew says, just making sure you see this. And he forwards a message from E. And what's really weird about that date and that time, we are pretty confident that this means he copied it from Telegram. I don't know why the time is written like it's European. Like if this was his preset, if he has his phone, but it's written. The date and the time are written European style, 12-11-19. It's actually 11-12-19 American standards. It's November 12th and 1335 is 1.35 p.m. So that's something that just I'm pointing out is weird. But the messages from Erica, I didn't know at the time because I didn't have her on Telegram and I didn't know who he was. And he writes, quote. or he shares, he forwards, quote, we are going to get Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens involved in a public feud. Candace Owens left Turning Point USA because she was the Malcolm X of the organization. And then I wrote back to Andrew, who wrote that? He writes, the Grapers on their walls. I said, what do you mean their walls? Question mark, Facebook. Question mark? What are we talking about? Where are the gripper walls, you know? And then he said, like their blogs. I said, can you send me a link? I don't know where the gripper blogs are. And I said, because oddly today, I felt that they were trying to get me to comment on Charlie. And he said, yes, they were. So I say, where's that text from? Speaker 1 (13:56) what blog? And he said, not sure, I'll find it. And then I said, who sent it to you? Because I don't know who E is, obviously. Like, she's like a new addition to our lives. And he says, Charlie's girlfriend found it. And then he says she found this, too. And he includes this. We need Grapers to ask Charlie. Sorry, I say so bad when I say charged questions. We need. Thank you. Give me full screen. We need Grapers to ask Charlie charged questions about Candace Owens and get him to criticize her. At the same time, we need to fluff Candace Owens' ego while subtly driving home the fact that she was driven out of Turning Point USA because Kirk feared her. And since she was driven out, Kirk has been working behind the scenes to undermine her. We need to fan these flames until Candace finally chimps out and the R word, it's like an aggressive R word, Kirk publicly, okay? He's telling me Erica Kirk found this. And I just want to just keep this up, guys, because what's amazing is this is the exact narrative. that Andrew Colvette is trying to seed now. What did Andrew say recently? They stopped being friends in 2019 because Charlie feared Candace. Do you guys remember that? This is so crazy to me. This is literally Andrew Colvette and Erica finding a Graper thread on a Graper blog, and they're telling me it's the Grapers. Fast forward to 2025, and Andrew Colvette is going to repeat this narrative. Speaker 1 (15:27) basically exactly this narrative, which he was trying to tell me that Erica found, trying to tell me and Charlie that Erica found this on Graper blocks, okay? So let's keep going. So I say, where though? Speaker 1 (15:44) And then he ghosts me. He ghosts me until the next day. And he says, I'll try to find it. Not sure. And then he goes to me until the next day. And I said, why not just ask Erica to send you a link? It just seems suspicious. I don't even know where to find a griper blog. How does Erica know? Like, who is this chick? Who is this chick? And I said, also weird that Charlie and or Erica wouldn't just send it to me directly. I'm literally talking to Charlie every single day. Now you're telling me. E is forwarding you European type text threads and you're telling me that she's finding it on Graper blogs? What you doing on Graper blogs? And then he says, after not answering me, LOL, just getting to this, I actually totally get the suspicion. I'll have one of them send you a link. What do you mean one? Who are you, Andrew? So I remain suspicious. And then he sends me this, okay? Operating, I'm sorry to laugh at this. Operation Graper X Anonymous. And then he says the blog was linked in this Vox article. And he sends me this Vox article, which was just posted on that