Lindsay Clancy Mistrial: What Happens Now? (w. Liza Treyger)
Brief Recess: A Legal Podcast with Michael Foote & Mélissa Malebranche
Michael Foote and Mélissa Malebranche discuss the Lindsay Clancy mistrial, media coverage of high-profile cases, and racial disparities in l
Key takeaways
- The Lindsay Clancy case highlights systemic biases in how media portrays criminal trials involving white defendants versus Black victims.
Main topics
- Lindsay Clancy mistrial
- Media bias in criminal coverage
Notable quotes
"I thought I saw Britney, bitch. We're going to throw up the video because it's my video."
Conclusion
The episode uses humor and personal stories to critique how media shap
Transcript preview
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Follow Stepping on Toes and start listening on the free iHeartRadio app today. Speaker 7 (1:24) I survived nine months in captivity, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are The Survivor Files. Every week, I'm with survivors who live through the unthinkable, abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. These are stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to The Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Speaker 2 (2:02) Welcome to Brief Recess. I'm Michael Foote. I'm Alyssa Malbranch. Today we're going to talk about that time I thought I saw Britney, bitch. We're going to talk about hip, but not in the cool way. We're going to talk about the Lindsay Clancy trial and the coverage versus the media coverage of lynchings in America. We talk white voices, white genes, and hoarders. And then we sit down with the hilarious Lisa Trager, who's going to help us answer all your questions from the DMs. So be sure to stick around. Speaker 6 (2:34) Because I texted you and I said, do you want me to shave? And you were like, you Speaker 2 (2:38) took two hours later within the Speaker 6 (2:39) two hours I shaved. Speaker 1 (2:41) You know, I have to tell you, my mother does that. Speaker 6 (2:45) Shave. Speaker 1 (2:47) She'll ask me what I think about something. And then I'll say. Too Speaker 6 (2:51) slow. Speaker 1 (2:51) And I'll say, yes, no, whatever. And then she's just like, oh, which really what she wants me to. My mom wants me to know what she's thinking about. And say that thing. Speaker 2 (3:03) I want you to just give me the answer I want. I don't want your opinion. Speaker 1 (3:07) Then don't ask me. Then let me tell you something. You are asking the wrong bitch. Because I will always tell you what I think. Speaker 2 (3:13) Well, Speaker 1 (3:13) I was like Speaker 2 (3:13) a little bit on the fence. It was like 10 % of me was like, I'll keep the beard. I like the beard. Speaker 1 (3:18) And you know what? You're entering your daddy phase. Oh, my God. Speaker 2 (3:22) You are. Speaker 1 (3:24) With your little gray snowflakes and the beard. I Speaker 2 (3:27) know. I'm Speaker 1 (3:27) getting a Speaker 2 (3:28) little gray beard. Speaker 1 (3:29) I'm here for it. Speaker 2 (3:30) Okay, so I was at a party on Saturday, and we were talking about getting gray, obviously not hair, but other hair that turns gray. And I was talking to my friend. Speaker 2 (3:43) And I was like, yeah, like, you know, like you get gray hairs in your chin and like your chest. And I like opened up my shirt a little bit and showed him. Why did you Speaker 1 (3:51) open up your shirt? That's weird. To show Speaker 2 (3:52) him my gray chest hair. Speaker 1 (3:53) Why? Speaker 2 (3:54) Because I was like, you know, like this starts to happen when you get in your late 30s. And he goes, it actually doesn't. And he opens his shirt and it's just a completely like perfectly hairless chest. Speaker 1 (4:04) But was he, is he like a. Speaker 6 (4:06) He's like a very hairy man. Does Speaker 1 (4:09) he wax his chest? Speaker 2 (4:11) He just doesn't have chest hair. Speaker 1 (4:13) Interesting. Speaker 2 (4:13) I was like, oh, okay. All Speaker 1 (4:15) right. Speaker 2 (4:15) Yeah. Anyway, we don't talk anymore. I made it weird. I'm sure you did. I texted soap for context, since this is a show people listen and watch with viewers. I texted Melissa and I asked her if I should shave my beard. And before she even answered, I shaved it. So that's just kind of the background there. And what Speaker 1 (4:33) I think is really funny is that Michael expected me to answer immediately. Just thinking that I don't have shit else to do. Yeah, right. It's a Monday. It's like a Monday, a work day. Leave Speaker 6 (4:45) your meeting. Leave. Walk out. Speaker 1 (4:48) I had so many meetings. Speaker 2 (4:50) Really? So many. I hate that. Speaker 1 (4:53) Yeah, well. Speaker 2 (4:54) I feel like meetings become, when do we do the work? Speaker 2 (4:59) Let's get into a sidebar about meetings. Let's have a meeting about this meeting. And let's circle back with those KPIs on this meeting. Speaker 1 (5:06) I'm going to synthesize. I have a friend of mine. We send text messages back and forth just saying shit like that. Taking a bird's eye view. Speaker 2 (5:21) From this vantage point? Speaker 1 (5:22) And we're always putting a pin in something. Circling back after the holiday. Put a pin Speaker 6 (5:29) in my fucking voodoo doll if you're going to put a pin in something. That's so bad. Sick. Wait, so you and your friend just text back and forth shit like that? Just like that. That's literally Speaker 1 (5:37) all Speaker 6 (5:38) we do. Dead. Speaker 2 (5:38) All we do all day. That's great. And then you and your brother also have little personas, right? Speaker 1 (5:43) What do you mean? Speaker 2 (5:44) So Melissa and her brother do joking, making fun of Beth and Jim. Speaker 2 (5:53) So, Melissa. Speaker 1 (5:56) Hey, Jim. Hey, Beth. How about some coffee? White people voices. Those are our white people voices. Speaker 1 (6:06) And so Speaker 6 (6:07) I'll give the context and then I'll jump in. I mean, I Speaker 1 (6:09) don't think there is any context, really. I just think that sometimes it will be someplace where, especially when we were both living in Brooklyn and, you know, the gentrification of Brooklyn that has happened. And like every time you turn around, there's a new coffee shop. Sure. And Jim and Beth have completely taken over. And my brother would be like, yeah, Jim and Beth are standing in front of me getting some oat milk lattes. Melissa's telling me Speaker 6 (6:34) this. Speaker 1 (6:36) Meanwhile, you have an Speaker 6 (6:38) aunt and uncle named Jim and Beth. And you were like, wait, what? I was like, how do you know them? I thought I was going to pass out. She was like, oh, yeah, Beth and Jim. And I was like, wait, Speaker 2 (6:49) Beth and Jim from Setauket, Long Island? Speaker 6 (6:52) She's like, these are the fake names we give white people. And I was like, I know a couple Beths and a couple Jims. And I don't know any. I'm dead. How Speaker 2 (7:02) was your weekend? What'd you do? Okay, well, so. How do I frame this? I thought I met Britney Spears and it turned out to be a man in a wig. Speaker 1 (7:13) Oh, you told me this. Wait, did you send me the picture too? This is Speaker 2 (7:17) where, yeah. That Speaker 1 (7:18) I didn't look at. Speaker 2 (7:19) We're going to throw up the video because it's my video. I thought Britney Spears crashed this party. And this is where my friend's a bartender. Speaker 6 (7:31) I actually didn't look at it before. It is a man. Speaker 1 (7:34) That's a man. But I don't understand. Speaker 2 (7:38) She's a drag queen impersonator. No, Speaker 1 (7:40) no, no. I understand that. The art Speaker 2 (7:42) of drag. Speaker 1 (7:43) Well, sure. We love that. But what? Speaker 2 (7:45) My friend Jeremy was feeding me drinks. Our Jeremy? No, different Jeremy. Speaker 2 (7:52) And so the drag queen performer came on. I thought it was Britney Spears. But for context, in New York, sometimes that happens. Kacey Musgraves showed up at Pieces the other night. And then Brad and I were at a party once and Kylie Minogue just started singing. Okay. So it was possible. Speaker 1 (8:12) I'm... Speaker 1 (8:15) Impossible, but improbable? Speaker 2 (8:17) Well, re-watching the video back, I was like, all right, this is a little bit on Speaker 1 (8:21) me. Speaker 2 (8:21) How Speaker 1 (8:21) many drinks were you in? I don't know. Speaker 2 (8:23) It was a long night. We were out late. And I go out, but I don't go out late like this. This was like once in a lifetime late. How late? We were like watching the sunrise, getting home. This is mom, turn it off. This is not, I don't want my mom to hear. Speaker 1 (8:37) What do I say? Speaker 2 (8:38) I know I'm too long in the tooth to be out like that. Too Speaker 1 (8:40) long in the Speaker 2 (8:40) tooth to Speaker 1 (8:41) be out like that. Speaker 6 (8:42) Just to be out that late. To Speaker 1 (8:44) be Speaker 6 (8:44) out that late. My hip hurts. My back hurts the next day. My arthritis limping home from the club. Speaker 1 (8:53) One of the things my grandmother used to say that getting older was an affront. Sure. Speaker 2 (9:00) Yeah. Speaker 1 (9:01) And last week, I had the worst arthritis flare in my hip. No. Speaker 1 (9:10) I cannot describe the pain. Speaker 2 (9:13) Hip injuries, like any hip pain, Speaker 1 (9:15) it's Speaker 2 (9:16) brutal. Speaker 1 (9:17) I was on the verge of tears at least a few times. You're Speaker 2 (9:20) using your hip when you're sitting. You're using it always. Speaker 1 (9:22) You use it all the time. There's no moment when you're not using your Speaker 2 (9:24) hip. Speaker 1 (9:24) God forbid you go to church, sit up, stand up, kneel, and you're fucked up. Yeah, Speaker 2 (9:28) and you have to go to Speaker 1 (9:28) the Speaker 2 (9:28) bathroom at least a couple times a day. And then, yeah, so if you've got a hip injury, my heart goes out to you. Thanks. Lots of prayers because did you get like an injection or something? Did it really hurt going in? Yes, it did. That's what I'm scared of. Speaker 1 (9:43) And it takes a long time for it to work. Is it working now? Yes. Oh, okay. Yay, I'm fine now. Wellness check. No, we're good. It works. It feels better now. But anyway, arthritis. Speaker 2 (9:55) Arthritis. Getting older. It's brutal. If you have tips or tricks or ways that isn't illegal drugs, stay up all night at the club in your old age. Let me know. Okay? We want to hear from you, Amanda Lepore. Speaker 2 (10:09) Let's get into algorithm and show. You want to get into that? Speaker 1 (10:12) Yeah, we can, but you go first. Speaker 2 (10:13) I was going to talk about the Lindsay Clancy trial because we finally got a verdict. That's been all over my feed. What Speaker 1 (10:19) do you mean? Speaker 2 (10:20) Lindsay Clancy? Yeah. Speaker 1 (10:21) I thought it was a mistrial. Speaker 2 (10:23) Right. Sorry. That was like the outcome I meant. Okay. Yes. An outcome. Yes. Speaker 1 (10:27) But Speaker 2 (10:27) yeah, it's been all over my feed the past few weeks. I can't. It's extraordinary. I mean, the way that that jury. And now we're hearing from the jurors. So basically backing up, we got all the way to the end, closing arguments. They deliberated it for days and days and days. Finally, the jury comes back. They came back three times with deadlocked. Nothing's going to move forward. And the judge kept sending them back. And it was clear there was one juror who just was not listening to the law whatsoever and didn't understand. Or understood the law and refused to apply it was what they were saying. Now we're finding out about this juror. It was like this one guy who was refusing to – understood he had doubts about probable cause and was refusing to apply the law to her situation. Crazy. And so now because it was a mistrial, they get a chance to redo the whole thing all over again. Speaker 1 (11:26) So will they? Speaker 2 (11:27) People are thinking they will because of what happened with Karen Reed. Same jurisdiction. And they just copy paste, control alt delete, just redid the whole thing. Even though there was all this public outcry, even though there was all this criticism of the case, they still just retried it again. Speaker 1 (11:45) Let's say if they decided not to, but just for argument's sake, right? What would happen to her? Would she just remain where she is? Because she's in a facility now, isn't she? Yes. Right. Would she stay there? I Speaker 2 (11:59) don't know. That's like a good custody question. Yeah, because it's basically like pre-trial detention. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Speaker 1 (12:08) Okay. Speaker 2 (12:09) Yeah. So Speaker 1 (12:10) even if there's no actual resolution to the case, because a mistrial is basically no resolution, yes? Right. Speaker 6 (12:16) Yes. Speaker 1 (12:17) So she still would be in this facility even if nothing came of it. Speaker 2 (12:25) Even if, what do you mean? Like if they retry it. If they don't retry it. Oh, if they don't retry it. If Speaker 1 (12:30) they do Speaker 2 (12:30) not retry it, what Speaker 1 (12:31) happens to her? Speaker 2 (12:33) Sorry, I thought you meant if they do retry it. If they don't retry it? Yeah. Then I guess if they don't retry it, then that means they're dropping the charges. She's either charged or she isn't. Okay. So if they're not retrying it. Then she's. Then. She's out. She's not being charged with anything. They can't hold you for more than 48 hours if you're not charged with a crime. Speaker 1 (12:52) Okay. Speaker 2 (12:53) This is all about Lindsay Clancy. I haven't gotten into any of the Karen Reid stuff. We could do that another day. Okay. Speaker 1 (12:58) Let's. Speaker 2 (12:59) I mean, we could do it. I mean, I know everything about that case. I love it too. But just talking about Lindsay Clancy, I think. Yeah. So she would, if there are no charges, but yeah. I don't know. I keep thinking about like Tayshia Fortune, who they just arrested someone for lynching her. And that will be a criminal. trial of that person, they're saying there's going to be more arrests. And I'm also noticing that any video I make about Tayshia Fortune only gets a couple thousand views. If I say Lindsay, the minute the L gets out of my mouth, 2 million views. And I'm just like, in this, I mean, as a content creator, I'm in this position where I'm actually watching this happen. And I'm just kind of like, Obviously, two very different cases. Speaker 6 (13:52) One Speaker 2 (13:53) is dealing with postpartum depression, and then the other case is dealing with lynchings in America. I don't know. For some reason, I keep connecting them in my mind just because they're both dominating the headlines in my space. I'm just seeing how if we want to say we care about women when we're watching the Lindsay Clancy trial and we're worried about mothers and postpartum depression. we also have to give that same energy and attention. We can't just give it to the white woman who looks like us. We can't just give it to the mother because you are also a mother. You can't just give it because, oh, it's easier to relate to that person. And I feel myself do it as well when there is a gay white candidate or when there's a gay white person who has kids. I feel my hackles get raised when something happens to them because I'm like, That's me and my husband. When Brad and I got married, people were calling our offices telling us that like the devil's going to kill us or whatever. You know, like certain things hit closer to home when I see something like that happen to a gay person in the news. Speaker 1 (14:58) Well, yes. And I don't think. We can't help that, right? Because you see yourself in a situation. And I don't think that's so much of a problem, right? If somebody is a parent and they see something happen to a child, you sort of imagine that's your child and what that would be like for you. And I think that that's very normal. I think what should not be normal but is in this country is that, I mean, I don't know. how many times this country needs to show us how they do not care about black people. And they don't care about black women. And I think that's why we hear so much more about Lindsay Clancy because this poor white woman, right? Speaker 6 (15:43) This Speaker 1 (15:43) poor Speaker 6 (15:43) white woman who Speaker 1 (15:44) was Speaker 2 (15:44) struggling. Yes. The cops framed Karen Reed, right? Like, and it's a, yeah. I think the reason why it bugs me so much and why it's like been. kick around in my head for a while is because Speaker 2 (15:57) So many people in my life were contacting me about Lindsay Clancy. So many people that follow me were contacting me. DMs like, thank you for talking about this. Postpartum depression is so important. And it is. I feel like we often get into this space where it's like, there's only room for one issue to talk about. And that's just not the case. It's possible for all the issues to get attention and support. So I got so much communication sent to me about that trial. And then when I'm making videos about Tayshia Fortune and her death, I'm getting nothing from those same people. Speaker 1 (16:34) Well. The people who are reaching out to you about, I mean, you also have to think about who's following you, right? Who, what, what is your, I don't know, your fan base or whatever it is. Right. So if the, if the majority of the people who follow you are white people, white women, then this issue, I mean, I feel like that's probably. I Speaker 2 (16:58) also, I'm like, yeah, I'm thinking like, it's not that it bothers me. It's that there's. unconscious bias there. Speaker 1 (17:06) Or I don't know that it's unconscious. Speaker 2 (17:09) Yeah. Yeah. That's me projecting possible unconsciousness. I mean, Speaker 1 (17:14) again, I think for some people it is unconscious. It just doesn't occur to them. And then for other people, they just don't give a shit. They just don't care. Speaker 2 (17:24) Yeah. I think really ask if the Lindsay Clancy trial was something that you obsessed over, you were in on everything. You gave it your all. You were sleuthing investigating on the internet about how you think Patrick allegedly actually killed the kids and framed her. Ask yourself why that was so important to you, but not these other cases, these black women who are getting lynched in America. You don't know their name. You don't know anything about their case. Nothing. Because I want people to really interrogate themselves on that. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this is just like me being me. I Speaker 1 (18:00) think also it depends on if this is something from social media, let's say, I think you and I, while there probably is some overlap, we don't see the same things. No. What do Speaker 2 (18:15) you see? Speaker 1 (18:16) I mean, to be fair, because. Every now and then, I make a conscious decision to check out of the news. Nice. Just because it's too much. Speaker 2 (18:26) Yeah. Well, Trump's asleep. So, like, he's checked out. Mitch McConnell. Where is he? Someone posted. I just reposted. I can't take credit. Someone posted a spirit Halloween banner at his office. Speaker 1 (18:49) But, I mean, I think it depends on what it is that comes across your feed, number one. And number two, also, what is the media doing? The media has been covering Lindsay Clancy. I mean, like it's their job. So that's been on the news. That's Speaker 2 (19:06) true. Speaker 1 (19:06) You're Speaker 6 (19:06) right. It was live. Everywhere. Yeah. Speaker 1 (19:09) I mean, wasn't there like a court TV? The whole thing. And that is not happening with these lynchings. Of African-American people. And someone at TikTok has Speaker 2 (19:19) their thumb on the scale. When the Lindsay Clancy video goes up, they pump it out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. That's really true. I don't know. I don't want to like minimize postpartum anything. Psychosis, depression, anything. Speaker 1 (19:33) Michael, there, I think there is enough space. There's enough time to talk about all the fucked up things that are happening in this world. Yeah. Speaker 3 (19:43) There Speaker 1 (19:43) just are. Right. And. Not enough of the voices are being listened to. I think there are a lot Speaker 2 (19:51) of Speaker 1 (19:51) people talking about these things, but they're not being heard. And is it because the social media, whatever the platform is, is purposely holding things back? Speaker 2 (20:03) I don't know. No, me neither. I think when I was talking about it, it was like, a man's talking about postpartum depression? That's a first. There were just so few. times in media where dudes are talking about this stuff? Speaker 1 (20:15) Well, I mean, I think that they're talking about it because of what happened. If she, if the topic was just, not just, but you know, if it was not about Lindsay Clancy. The trial. Right. If it wasn't a trial and the tragedy around it that got picked up by the news and it was sensationalized, that is why it made the rounds. Yes. But if it was. Just a conversation about postpartum depression and postpartum psychosis, that would not, it would not have the same traction, I don't think. I think the reason why so many people were talking about it, including men, was because of the trial. Extreme Speaker 2 (20:58) circumstances. Correct. And as Speaker 1 (21:00) an attorney, you are a trial attorney, that's why you were talking about it. It was just a general conversation. Speaker 2 (21:07) Yeah. Speaker 1 (21:08) About it, you probably wouldn't. Yeah. And that's, it's okay. Do you know what I mean? It's not, it is okay. Because it's not something, what would not be okay is if we were having a conversation about it and you disregarded it. Yeah. That would not be okay. But it is okay that postpartum depression or perimenopause or any of the issues that have to do with what happens to cis women. It would be okay if that was not across your radar because that's not what you engage in. I can't tell you all, my feed is full of menopause stuff. Why? Because that's what I engage in. Also mine. I'm not kidding. I'm not kidding. I know everything. Because Speaker 2 (21:52) all my friends are approaching menopause or going through it or having kids. Every single one of my friends is a woman. I don't talk to men. That's not true. I don't like them. Speaker 1 (22:08) But that's not true. I don't like that. That's not true. I Speaker 2 (22:11) have some men in my life, but for the most part, it's women of a certain age. Speaker 1 (22:17) Of a certain age. Of a certain vintage. Speaker 2 (22:18) What age is that? Speaker 1 (22:20) You tell me. Speaker 2 (22:22) I know. Sometimes I'll be talking to a friend who has a kid going through something and I'm like, oh yeah, I've got like 10 friends who have a similar situation. I'm like the intersection of all. Speaker 2 (22:36) In this weird way. Why? You would never know this person, but I've got three friends in a different region because they're all women who have gone through similar things. I don't know. It's funny how different friend groups kind of, they don't know each other, but then I'm the intersection kind of. Okay. Yeah. Speaker 1 (22:56) Makes sense. Speaker 2 (22:57) So your feed's all menopause stuff? Speaker 1 (22:59) My feed's all menopause stuff. And I've also, for whatever reason, been engaging in... Hoarder houses. Speaker 6 (23:07) Get roll up your sleeve. Get into it. I love. It's Speaker 1 (23:13) really interesting. And I and every time that happens, I immediately go to my closet. Yeah. Melissa. Melissa texted me. Speaker 2 (23:24) Throw up the text, CJ. Throw it up. Melissa texted me and she said, why do I have five pairs of white jeans? Speaker 1 (23:34) It's four pairs of white jeans. I have four pairs of white jeans and I don't know why. But I did figure out. Speaker 2 (23:41) You Speaker 1 (23:41) don't own a yacht. I did figure out. I did figure out that three of them are different styles. So there's a cropped. There's a wide leg. And a straight leg, but they're two straight legs. I love that. I know. But it's... I have said this before. And I mean this. I need a benevolent stylist. Please help. And it can't be Michael because a couple of people say, oh, ask Michael. Michael is useless. I Speaker 2 (24:12) really am. We Speaker 1 (24:14) would get absolutely nothing done. We Speaker 2 (24:16) get Speaker 1 (24:16) nothing Speaker 2 (24:16) done and I don't understand women's fashion at all. Speaker 1 (24:19) And I sent this to Michael and I said, I know that you are not this gay man. But as my friend, I need you to like. It's a cry for help. Yeah, it's Speaker 2 (24:29) a Speaker 1 (24:29) cry for help. Speaker 2 (24:31) Whenever a friend calls me and they're telling me something trivial about their life, I say, I hope you get the help you need. Speaker 1 (24:40) But you're not going to get it from me. Speaker 2 (24:42) You know, I hope you get the help you need. Let's add that to our vocal stems. We've got what's going on in the home. What's going on in the home? Four white pants. Four pairs of white pants. That's what's going on in the closet. And then I hope you get the help you need. I hope you get the help that Speaker 1 (24:55) you need. Speaker 2 (24:55) Did you get rid of a Speaker 1 (24:56) pair? I did not get rid of Speaker 2 (24:57) it. You didn't Speaker 1 (24:57) get rid of the five? I didn't get. What I did was instead. I just organized everything. So now all the white pants are in the same. It is. And the thing about it is, I will say also, is that seasonally, I take my stuff out and I swap it out for the other stuff. Well, it's a season where you take it all out. Well, sometimes I do get rid of things. She takes it out and puts it somewhere else. Well, I take it out and I put it in a space bag and I suck out the air and I put it under my bed. Speaker 2 (25:35) You know what? It's not