Musical Guest County Fair Captivates the Bourbon Studio

Bourbon with Brad

In this episode of Bourbon with Brad, the host welcomes musical guest County Fair to the bourbon studio in Indiana, PA. The conversation ble

Key takeaways

• Music creation often happens in spontaneous moments, like writing a song at 1:34 AM next to one's wife.

Main topics

• Personal stories from bartending and country club life

Notable quotes

"I jumped in the pool twice, it was in honor of my wife because we were playing in the husband-wife tournament."

Conclusion

The episode closes with heartfelt appreciation for County Fair's artistry and the shared

Transcript preview

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Speaker 8 (1:10) If you're here, it's because you belong to the fraction of counsel who treat information as a strategic asset, not a commodity. Dockaddaily.ai. The quiet advantage for the attorneys who never wait to be surprised. Speaker 7 (1:40) Yeah. My Speaker 1 (1:43) walk-up song might not be Adam Ant anymore. Speaker 1 (1:55) Shania Twain almost crossed with... I DJ country for like three or four years. I'm talking back in the 90s. I'm sure you guys are like even born. Old school country. I love it. All right. This is awesome. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. This is so good, right? So, you know... Speaker 1 (2:20) We got to turn it off because I can't wait to introduce who we have today with us. We have County Fair. Oh, my goodness. And that was County Fair playing their Buffalo. What a fantastic song, you know. Great song. And, you know, a little bit of a connection to it is we're in the bourbon studios in Indiana, PA, you know. You know, Max, you know, being a native of Indiana back in the day, right? I used to serve your bourbon. That's right. You know, he followed kind of my beginning footsteps. Last week we talked on the fifth segment about Speaker 3 (2:49) how bartending is such a great job to learn how to deal with all kinds of different people, right? Because, you know, you got guys like me that after four bourbons, like, dude, this is like guys just laughing incessantly. Speaker 1 (3:00) Do I shut them off or do I just keep them going on the laugh meter, right? You just keep it going. What Speaker 5 (3:06) was that story you were saying? What? When you'd be working, you'd jump in the pool. Oh, yeah. Speaker 1 (3:12) You must Speaker 6 (3:12) have been retired by the time. I was. It's been a while. So you retired, and I'd open the pool bar. You're right. At like 10 or 11 a.m. And usually I'd sit down there for like three hours with nobody there. I'm the only person that would come Speaker 1 (3:28) down to the bar. Oh, Speaker 6 (3:28) you're making me sweat. You know, Brad would come down to the bar and he'd dive into the pool. He'd come order some hot dogs and maybe a vodka. I think you might have been Speaker 3 (3:37) working the day I jumped in the pool twice. And that was, and I got videos too. We can throw it up over us because the security cameras get her caught every bit of it. Speaker 7 (3:48) That was a classic country club Speaker 3 (3:49) moment. And I would do it again if I was allowed. But, you know, of course I got the call from the board when I moved back from Florida. Like, listen, you can come back, but no jumping in the pool and no jumping in 17 Pond. I said, all right. 16 pond? He Speaker 1 (4:02) jumped in the pool. That was a $100 bet, and I was in there before I even came out of Ricky Miller's mouth. I'm like, I'm getting that $100. And boy, that pond stunk. But that Speaker 3 (4:14) day that I jumped in the pool twice, it was in honor of my wife because we were playing in the husband-wife tournament, and we were on number 18, and I'm playing with Brian Martin and his wife, a good friend right up the road here. And Brian's as country as country comes. I mean, he's, you know, and I love him to death for even playing that day. And she makes this putt from the beginning of the green all the way back. None of us expected to even get close. He had a long go in, right? Yeah. Speaker 7 (4:42) It goes in. That's incredible. Speaker 3 (4:44) Shirt's coming off. You know, I'm running up the hill to the pool. Speaker 1 (4:47) Brian's. Yeah, Brian's. Brian's sitting there doing the happy Gilmore with his putter, you know. Speaker 1 (4:55) It was a classic, right? And so little did I know when I jumped in the pool and I'm all Speaker 3 (4:59) wet, you know, golf shoes and all. Speaker 7 (5:01) Yeah. Speaker 3 (5:02) Yeah. I did get rid of the phone because I learned that lesson the first time. Yeah. So the phone was out, but I jumped in the pool. I come back and I did take the shirt off. So I wasn't wet with a shirt. Come back. That butt tied us to go into a playoff hole. So I had to go back to 18. Speaker 1 (5:17) All wet. All wet. And play again. Speaker 3 (5:21) Well, now on 18, we're on 18 again. And I make a 20-foot putt coming down the hill. Speaker 5 (5:26) No way. Oh, my gosh. Speaker 3 (5:28) Guess where he went. Not but Speaker 1 (5:30) go swimming one more time. Yeah, yeah. Speaker 7 (5:32) And that's when you jumped in the pool. And that's when Speaker 1 (5:35) I jumped in the pool a second time. There we go. Anyways, that gate's locked now most of the time. It's Speaker 2 (5:40) not Speaker 1 (5:40) to keep the kids in. It's Speaker 2 (5:42) to Speaker 1 (5:42) keep Brad out. I feel like you can Speaker 2 (5:44) definitely jump. Speaker 1 (5:44) I mean, it's traumatizing. You see this guy all of a sudden just rolling in when you're trying to do the backstroke as a little toddler. You know, I'm like, eh. That fence is low enough. Well, maybe back in the day. I don't know. Well, it seems like it gets higher as I get older. Anyways, but we've Speaker 3 (6:04) diverged, you know, and Max was, you know, and so I really got to know Max when he was bartending and, and just like, as I'm sure our listeners are getting a feel, you're so laid back. You're just so easy to talk to. And then, you know, and then when I learned your. You're a musician, and not just any musician, but I think one of the best musicians I've ever heard. And now, you know, hearing Savannah's voice, too, my goodness. She's good, man. Wow. Speaker 5 (6:30) Thank you. Speaker 3 (6:31) I mean, you two are like, you know, you're going to take over the world. They haven't heard me sing yet. Yeah. That's the goal. Speaker 5 (6:36) It's true. And believe me, Speaker 1 (6:37) you won't. Fifth segment, possibly. We had Brad singing last night. Oh, I did. I got up a little bit. I did the opening chorus for my favorite Alabama song. Yeah. You know, that's old school, too. Oh, yeah. That's good. Speaker 6 (6:54) I'm Speaker 1 (6:54) in a hurry to get things done. Oh, I rush and rush until life's no fun. All I really got to do is live and die. I'm in a hurry and don't know why. And Speaker 6 (7:08) that's all the song because I didn't know the verses. Speaker 1 (7:10) I know. Can't be late. Speaker 6 (7:13) I'll have to listen to it. It's such a great song. I get requests all the time. I'm Speaker 7 (7:17) like, yeah, I know the chorus. I Speaker 1 (7:18) usually Speaker 6 (7:18) always know the chorus like everybody does. Yeah, and Max Speaker 1 (7:21) is like, that was before my time. I wasn't born yet. Speaker 7 (7:24) Alabama, Speaker 6 (7:25) my dad said Speaker 1 (7:25) Alabama was a great band. I'm not going to be honest. Speaker 6 (7:28) Even songs that I do know well, it's like I'll get to the verse and I just, you know. Speaker 5 (7:32) Blank. Speaker 6 (7:33) just blank on the verse. Yeah. I can always sing somebody a chorus. Speaker 3 (7:36) Nah, well, what I love is how you just pick up the guitar, and that's where I'm so envious because I told you, I love to write. You know what I mean? That's kind of what I just do. I mean, when I wrote that song that I played for everyone, Speaker 6 (7:46) it Speaker 3 (7:46) was 1.34 in the morning, you know, next to my wife, and, you know, you get inspired, right? Absolutely, yeah. And when it comes, you just start, and it's not notebook anymore. It's notes, you know, so it's like on Apple Notes. It's, you know, I'm just sitting there, you know, all right. This word, you know, I'm sure. I'm talking to two experts here, but it's a fun hobby. Speaker 5 (8:06) Oh, absolutely. And Speaker 3 (8:07) this isn't a hobby for you guys. You guys are like, I'm talking Nashville now, right? Yeah, we've been Speaker 6 (8:12) in Nashville. I've been in Nashville for five years. She's been there for a long time. Yeah, Speaker 5 (8:15) almost 13, I think. Oh, wow. 12, yeah. Speaker 6 (8:18) Great city. But it's funny to be called an expert whenever, you know. We're still, you know. I mean, we're working our way through the world, and I do think that we're very good at it. Oh, you're very, very good. When you get called an expert, you're like, well, I'm just figuring Speaker 3 (8:32) it out too. Oh, well, wait till the world hears you. I mean, and you guys, it's not like they're not hearing you. And you guys are, you know, traveling, and I love, and I want you to tell the story about your travel plans. The RV. Yeah, because that's awesome, you know. Sounds like TJ. Yeah, no, right, exactly. You know, it's a lot like TJ when he first moved to Indiana. Speaker 5 (8:50) Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, last fall, so I lived in my van for quite some time years ago. Down by the Speaker 1 (8:58) river? Oh, I know. Speaker 7 (9:00) You just said what I was saying. Yes. Speaker 1 (9:07) I got that covered for you guys. Perfect. Speaker 5 (9:14) We'll just put you on the back of the phone. Speaker 6 (9:18) You didn't have the reference, right? No. the Saturday Night Live. Speaker 2 (9:22) Yeah, and it's Chris Farley. Chris Farley. He was a Speaker 6 (9:24) great... He was Speaker 2 (9:25) Tim... Tim Foley, motivational speaker. Motivational speaker. You're going to end up living in a van down by the river. No, Speaker 5 (9:32) I've heard it so many times. I just didn't know exactly what it was. Speaker 3 (9:34) Oh, it's Speaker 1 (9:35) legendary. And Chris Farley was legendary. But you'll have to watch this clip. So tonight, watch a clip when you're in the van down by the river. As soon as she said living in a van, I thought the exact same thing. But you said it. You're going to have to put that on the bumper sticker. Speaker 7 (9:50) But I Speaker 1 (9:51) wanted to be just you. Speaker 5 (9:52) A little vision of you going like this down by the river. Speaker 5 (9:58) That's great. But yeah, so I had always dreamed of getting back into some sort of mobile home. So I think I mentioned it to you last fall and you ran with it. So then I really ran with it. I was a little Speaker 6 (10:10) hesitant at first. I was like, I don't know. I Speaker 5 (10:12) don't know about that. I like Speaker 6 (10:13) my amenities of a house. Speaker 5 (10:15) But we built this vision of like, okay, well, we're recording an album. It's very expensive to record an album. It is. And we really want to. Just give it a good shot and I wanted him to be able to quit his job Lower our bills getting it in an RV and just just get down Speaker 3 (10:31) to basics, right? Yeah, and first of all, this is gonna be such a great bonding experience. Yeah, yeah, Speaker 7 (10:36) or Speaker 3 (10:37) it's gonna be like that lady that died in Utah Speaker 1 (10:42) She's mentioned that before. My brother Speaker 7 (10:44) literally... Oh, my God. Speaker 5 (10:46) Either way, Speaker 1 (10:46) it's going to be pretty epic. She's like, you're not going to kill Speaker 6 (10:48) me. Speaker 1 (10:48) Thinking you're Speaker 7 (10:49) a Speaker 1 (10:49) five-cent word, Mitchell. Speaker 5 (10:51) My brother literally called me. He's like, how well do you know Max? He's like, watch this documentary. Speaker 1 (10:57) I'm like, oh, God. Oh, Gabby. I know. I was a little offended that your brother... I know. Speaker 7 (11:03) Yeah. Speaker 6 (11:04) No, it's going to be awesome. No, it'll be great. And we already travel a lot, and we did it in the van for a while. Speaker 7 (11:11) Yep. Speaker 6 (11:11) And this run, we sold her van to put Speaker 7 (11:15) that Speaker 6 (11:15) money to renovate in the RV. Awesome. Nice. And it wasn't ready, so right now we're in my Honda Civic with all our gear. Oh, nice. And it's Speaker 1 (11:22) a Speaker 6 (11:22) tiny car. Oh, man. Yeah, that's not a big car. Yeah, so the traveling that way is tough. And a lot of times when we're on the road, like, just trying to find, like, a good cup of coffee. Like, we're big on coffee. So in the morning. If we got an RV there, we got our coffee with us. You guys like Speaker 3 (11:39) commonplace coffee here? It's like you're bringing your home with you. Oh, yeah. We had TJ on. We broke down to, you know, and he was my very first client when I came to Indiana. Him and I moved to Indiana at the same exact time. No way. That's Speaker 2 (11:51) a great Speaker 3 (11:51) episode. Oh, it's a great episode. I love Speaker 1 (11:53) it. Speaker 3 (11:53) Yeah, he's one of my favorites, you know, but his coffee is the best. Speaker 5 (11:56) It is the best. I mean, you talk about him. Speaker 3 (11:58) Well, yeah, Speaker 1 (11:59) you talk about it. You're right. You talk about a master at his art. Speaker 5 (12:03) Yes. Speaker 1 (12:04) Very. And he's the best, you know? Speaker 5 (12:06) Yeah, he's so good and such a good soul. I love that guy. Is he not? He's the best. Speaker 3 (12:10) That's a good way to describe him. Yeah, he's such a good soul. That's a great way to put it. He really is. So now I got to hear because, you know, Max, and we'll get to this the second segment, how, you know, there's a big connection in the room. It's almost like a trifecta because we have Louie here who started the Hole-in-One Club at the Indiana Country Club, and that was right when you were still bartending. Yeah. Incredible. And thanks to you, I mean, that whole night where I had Max, you know, we'll get into that next. But I do want to talk about, and this is where my ADHD just takes over, whatever. I got through all four letters that time. Speaker 1 (12:46) But I do want to hear how you guys met. Speaker 7 (12:50) Oh, yeah. So Speaker 6 (12:52) I've been doing these writers retreats in Nashville where. Friends of mine organized it. They ran a lake house, and we all pitch in some money. We go out for like four days and just write music, songs. Awesome. All day, every day. Speaker 6 (13:08) Now, are you Speaker 3 (13:09) guys doing it together? Are you just kind of going in separate places? Is it a collaboration? Yeah, so we split off into groups of like two to three, sometimes four. Speaker 5 (13:17) So we're all in the Speaker 6 (13:18) same house, but we'll break off into like four groups of three. Right, like Speaker 5 (13:22) three songs each a day? Two Speaker 6 (13:23) to three hour, right? We all come back, sit down, play our songs for the other people. Wow. And then we take like... 30 minutes to rest and then we hop into it. Is there Speaker 3 (13:34) a ticket you can buy just to be there just to listen? Speaker 6 (13:36) I'm sure there is. Speaker 3 (13:37) You know, someday maybe we could. That would be really, I would just like to be a fly on the wall to hear the originality being created because that's, what a process. Oh, Speaker 5 (13:44) it is so beautiful and I don't think there's ever been like a dud, you know, because you just have so many great minds and great artists in one room who are just like sold into like, I am devoting the next three hours to whatever the best version of this song. Speaker 6 (13:59) Yes. So, yeah, I mean, honestly, before we even started the podcast, we were talking about how, like, moving down to Nashville, like, you know, kind of almost lacking the confidence in even being a songwriter. But you go down there and you live it and you write with other people who are trying to do the same thing. But those writers' retreats are one big thing that, like... made me actually believe that I'm a songwriter and this is worth spending time and Speaker 5 (14:32) kind Speaker 6 (14:32) of chasing after. I Speaker 5 (14:34) definitely relate to that. Yeah. So Speaker 6 (14:35) yeah, Speaker 5 (14:36) but I was on one in the fall of like what 2023? Yeah. And then we met there. And I think we only had one right. We drank a lot there Speaker 6 (14:44) too. Speaker 5 (14:45) I Speaker 6 (14:45) don't drink anymore, but I, Speaker 1 (14:47) that retreat was it. That was done. It was like my last time I had marijuana. I mean, I was like, I felt like I was about ready to die. So Speaker 2 (14:57) do you feel, do you, not to interrupt, but do you, are you watching? I grew up, I'm 59. So I grew up in the, with musically in the eighties and early nineties. And, you know, it was all. everything was to excess, you know, Van Halen, everything, chugging bottles of Jack Daniels and stuff like that. And like, they all said they had to drink to bring out their creativity, but it sounds like you're the opposite. Are you more creative without drinking? I Speaker 6 (15:25) would say. Speaker 6 (15:27) At least more productive. But I also think more creative too. Creativity, I think, maybe is always there, but you do a better job at organizing it when you're not drinking and doing other substances. Speaker 2 (15:41) Yeah, more in your brain. I hear you on the productivity thing. Speaker 3 (15:44) After I have two or three bourbons, the next day I need a second nap. Or else I'm just a Speaker 2 (15:52) groach. Speaker 3 (15:53) Plus, Speaker 2 (15:53) after he's had a few bourbons, that's when I wake up in the morning to text messages from like 3 a.m., 4 a.m. It's like, do you Speaker 6 (16:01) ever sleep? I Speaker 2 (16:01) wrote a song. No, I don't. I mean, it's like, listen, I'm up. I hope you Speaker 6 (16:05) are, too. Or I could always have a couple bourbons and then. you know, come up with great ideas. Right? Sometimes you get in that lubricity Speaker 3 (16:12) zone. You know, I don't know if you guys got a chance to hear that. That's Louie's coin word, and he actually came up with that with Dan Mockentown. What's the word? Speaker 4 (16:20) I love that. Lubricity. Lubricity. Lubricity. Lubricity. Lubricity is going to be my middle name, and it would be Lubricity going forward. Lubricity. So lubricity is the mathematical, the partially scientific mathematical equation. from where you go from being totally tight. to just a minimum lubricity, right? All right. It's like, oh, okay, man. Day's done. I can chill a little bit, right? Speaker 2 (16:49) And Speaker 4 (16:50) you're ready to vibe. Then you start to have a few cocktails or whatever your adulterator of choice is, and you get to optimum lubricity. Optimum. I love that. So optimum lubricity Speaker 7 (17:04) is Speaker 4 (17:04) when you can sing. You can dance. For those of Speaker 2 (17:11) us who can't sing normally. Speaker 4 (17:12) Yes, right. You're the best looking person in the room. You have access to anybody, anything, anytime. You're as cool as it gets. Okay. Right? That's optimum, right? Optimum is one step from maximum. And you know what happens after maximum? You fall off the cliff to asshole. Asshole. Right? Yeah. Right? Speaker 1 (17:33) Population of one, visited by many. Speaker 7 (17:35) Visited by many. So Speaker 4 (17:38) funny. Yeah, so we're working on some merch with my non-scientific scientific curve. It's not a bell curve. It's a hockey stick and off a cliff. Speaker 6 (17:50) So have you found an alcohol with a percentage of alcohol that you can continue to drink all day that keeps you... Speaker 7 (17:58) At Speaker 6 (17:59) Optimum? The only Speaker 4 (18:00) person that I have found to do that and perform and maintain Optimum is Eric, the littlest dude in the world. Really, right? Okay. He gets smarter, doesn't he? My Optimum is generally 2.7 beers, right? Now, Speaker 1 (18:15) Bill Fran's are two. I was going to say Squirrel. We have a Speaker 4 (18:19) buddy, Squirrel, who drinks IPAs. He can drink the heavy IPAs. He can go for a day and a half. Speaker 3 (18:23) Doesn't seem like it changes him at all. Yeah. You know, he seems like he just hits optimum and he stays in optimum until we're long in bed, you know? Speaker 1 (18:31) It's like Speaker 5 (18:32) practice, right? Practice. I think I Speaker 6 (18:34) was at that level where I could do the heavy IPA and stay pretty much at optimum. Speaker 3 (18:39) Well, so my go-to, and I call it my safe drink, is Captain Morgan. It's not bourbon. And I feel like I, you know. Speaker 2 (18:45) I Speaker 3 (18:46) can drink that, you know, between that and there. I know. I know. The extra girth you put on that. It makes Speaker 2 (18:53) it easier. Speaker 3 (18:56) But, you know. It seems it's the Coke and the Captain together being a little bit lighter, the sugar cane base. Speaker 7 (19:05) I just Speaker 3 (19:05) think it doesn't hit me. I've never gone to Assholeville with Captain. Knock on some Formica wood. There Speaker 7 (19:11) we go. Speaker 6 (19:13) But, you know. Yeah, you always hear that, that people like some people, they drink whiskey. Yeah, Speaker 3 (19:17) and whiskey seems to be, I think whiskey seems to always be the common denominator or tequila, right? Tequila. Speaker 6 (19:24) I mean, Speaker 1 (19:25) there's been songs written by Speaker 6 (19:26) both. I've heard somebody say that tequila is like a stimulant more so than other alcohols. I don't know if that's true. It could be. It could be. So Speaker 3 (19:34) I'm Speaker 1 (19:35) going Speaker 3 (19:35) to try to convince my stepdaughter and her husband just moved down to Nashville here about two or three years ago. Oh, Speaker 6 (19:42) okay. They're Speaker 3 (19:43) living in Franklin County there. They're both chiropractors and just got married down there this past October. And so when I'm in town, like I said, I'm flying in like late Sunday coming out Tuesday, and you guys are playing Monday where? Speaker 6 (19:56) Evening, yeah. Monday evening at the East Room in East Nashville, Tennessee. East Room in East Speaker 3 (20:01) Nashville. Yeah. It's called the East Room. The East Room. East Room Speaker 5 (20:06) in East Nashville, yep. Yeah. Speaker 3 (20:07) So for all of our Nashville listeners out there, come join us. I mean, it's going to be awesome. Yeah. Tell me, what time is that show? Speaker 5 (20:13) August 24th. Gosh, I want to say 6 p.m., but it'll be on our website for sure. Speaker 3 (20:20) Fantastic. We'll say it again before we finish this podcast. Excellent. No, Speaker 6 (20:24) I Speaker 3 (20:24) can't wait because just even catching you guys last night, you know, by happenstance, which was how we are now filming on an off-scheduled afternoon, which is awesome, right? Yeah, that's great, Speaker 1 (20:37) man. Speaker 3 (20:37) This is awesome that you guys are willing to do that and drop everything. So you met Savannah at... At one of these retreats. Yeah. Were you guys in a small group together or were you working in different groups? Speaker 5 (20:49) Yeah, we only had one song together that week. Speaker 6 (20:52) Sometimes you'll Speaker 5 (20:53) write two or three times with the same person. Over Speaker 6 (20:55) three days, we only wrote one time together. So we got three writes a day. So out of nine writes, we only had one together. Yeah. Speaker 5 (21:03) But then I think we probably just texted each other after and we're like, hey, let's keep writing. Speaker 2 (21:07) And then Speaker 5 (21:07) further down the line, we kissed a little bit. Speaker 2 (21:10) And Speaker 5 (21:10) then here we are. Speaker 2 (21:11) Yeah. That's when the songs really start. Exactly. Music moves through the soul, doesn't Speaker 1 (21:19) it? It does. Especially good Speaker 6 (21:21) music, you know? Speaker 2 (21:22) Songwriting is a Speaker 6 (21:23) very personal thing. Speaker 2 (21:23) It is. Oh, yeah. We were talking last week. We had another good friend of ours here. He spent the fifth segment on the show talking about how. In between the shoots, we were listening to music. We were listening to 2 Live Crew, which that's Speaker 1 (21:38) a Speaker 2 (21:38) whatever. Yeah, if you Speaker 1 (21:39) guys Speaker 3 (21:40) ever get a chance to watch 2 Live Crew. And 2 Live Crew was the, you know, I respect 2 Live Crew back in the late 80s, early 90s because they are the ones that really pushed the boundaries of the explicit, you know, free speech. What you're allowed to. They forced Tipper Gore to do what she did, yeah. Well, they really did. And they were the very first label that had explicit on it. whether you agree with their music or not, but they push the boundaries of what freedom of speech and creativity can be, right? Speaker 7 (22:04) Yeah. Speaker 3 (22:04) Well, there's a great three-minute watch, and I'll share it with you guys within the break, but it's Phil Donahue, and this is, again, before your time, but he was like the Chicago Oprah before Oprah was Oprah. Yeah. And, you know, he's just... gray haired, you know, very conservative. Got the big glasses kind of looking down at you, judging you. Judge, judge, judge, judge. And he brings on this very conservative Midwestern audience to live crew. Oh, okay. To sing welcome to the fuck shop. Speaker 1 (22:35) And they got their two dancers. The looks on the people's faces. And the looks for three minutes are just, they pay for themselves. Speaker 5 (22:43) That is amazing. It was. I love that. That's so funny. Speaker 1 (22:47) But that's exactly how music. Well, you're talking about how it takes you back. Well, it does take you back. But Speaker 2 (22:53) you Speaker 1 (22:54) know what's even funny watching Speaker 3 (22:54) that, even though that might not have been the style and likeness, there was actually people in the audience going, that actually has a pretty good beat. Yeah. I can Speaker 1 (23:02) see why these guys are making headlines and got arrested down in Miami for being too vulgar. It did have a Speaker 2 (23:09) good beat. It does. Speaker 1 (23:10) But Speaker 2 (23:10) music does take, like, I can hear, like, one of my all-time favorite songs is More Than a Feeling by Boston. Oh, yeah. And, like, you could just, like, that song just never gets old. When they isolate the vocals? Never gets old. Have you heard that when they do that with Boston? I Speaker 3 (23:23) don't think Speaker 6 (23:23) so. Not with that song in particular, but I've heard some, like, Zeppelin songs. I mean, I get to show you that. Speaker 3 (23:28) I mean, this is, I think it's one of the greatest isolated, Brad Delp, you know, got a rusted soul because he was a, you know, he was a. You know, and maybe we can get into this in the fourth or fifth segment, but I mean, sometimes musicians, you know, their creativity comes from, you know, struggles, right? And it comes from, you know, tragedies. Speaker 7 (23:46) You Speaker 3 (23:46) know, I wrote a couple of my songs because of, you know, Speaker 7 (23:50) hardship, Speaker 3 (23:51) right? And grief. And I think that's sometimes where it comes from. Well, Brad Delp from Boston ended up killing himself in 2016, Speaker 2 (24:00) you know. He was accused of doing something. Sexual assault or something like that. Oh, Speaker 3 (24:05) was he? Speaker 2 (24:05) Yeah, that was an accusation floating around, and that was what they think caused him to do that. Do you think that spurred it on? Well, that's sad. It's Speaker 3 (24:12) sad that that would, you know, you let an accusation or even a misstep end your life. Speaker 6 (24:20) Yeah. But Speaker 3 (24:21) you talk about a talent. Speaker 6 (24:22) Yeah. Speaker 3 (24:23) Ugh, this voice was something. Speaker 6 (24:25) Kind Speaker 3 (24:26) of like your voice is. I mean, you guys are basically all but isolated last night. I mean, you're sitting up there acoustic. You know, it's... awesome, you know? You really hear the heart and soul of the music come out. Yeah, you can't hide it. No. You're not going to hide behind a chord, you know? Yeah, Speaker 6 (24:40) you've got to be able to play just acoustically, yeah. So Speaker 3 (24:44) now, you know, what I'm so impressed by both of you is, you know, even just talking about this retreat is, you know, there's a lot of musicians out there that have writers, you know? Yeah. And they're not natural writers, but that's almost a lost art these days, I want to say. You know, there's... Yeah, there still are people. And I'm sure it's awesome when you can get together with a retreat and you have common, you know, it's a commonality that, again, I think it's a smaller niche. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm Speaker 5 (25:10) sure it is. In Nashville, it feels like there's a bigger pool because that's where everyone goes to do. Well, Speaker 3 (25:16) you are in the epicenter of the music world. Speaker 5 (25:17) Exactly. So. Speaker 3 (25:18) But Speaker 5 (25:19) I do think you're right. I mean, you go to any other town. And the average of songwriters is minuscule. You might be able to count it on your hand. Right. You look Speaker 3 (25:27) at the headline music and often it's not the artist that's performing that is the writer. And that is a lost. I mean, especially Speaker 6 (25:34) in the country world and even in the pop world. Speaker 5 (25:39) Well, and people, yeah, labels will hire writers in their network so that the money stays there. Speaker 5 (25:47) unfortunate at times when you know there's probably so much great music but it's like social media is so busy but no there are guys Speaker 6 (25:54) who are hired and have an office and they go to the office to write songs to turn into their boss who then says oh this is a good song for so and so and they Speaker 3 (26:04) kind of delve it all based on the genre and based on the Speaker 6 (26:07) what they think it might fit yeah and then the artists listen to the song and they pick the ones they like and and they put together an album Speaker 3 (26:16) So my daughter took me to a Zac Brown concert here this past Thursday. Oh, nice. Right? For my birthday's next week. So she treated me to that, and we went down together. And, you know, Zac's got one of the purest voices, but I don't know if you guys have ever been to one of his concerts or not. No, Speaker 5 (26:31) I haven't. So Speaker 3 (26:32) he starts out the concert. And I already had a lot of respect for his voice anyways, because you talk about a really pure voice that just comes across live. Speaker 3 (26:42) There is no autotune. There is not. I mean, it's just pure, right? Speaker 7 (26:47) That's awesome. Speaker 3 (26:47) And he sounds so good. So he comes out on the stage and he has this monologue that he taped. It was like two minutes because you guys know my music, but you don't know my backstory. And he goes, you know, I was seven years old. My stepdad would just beat on my mom every night. We were living in, you know, shelters, eating, you know, frozen dinners in a different place almost every other week. I'm gripping this knife thinking, am I going to? plunge it in his chest tonight. Speaker 7 (27:12) Wow. Speaker 3 (27:13) It's pretty deep, right? Yeah. Speaker 7 (27:15) And he Speaker 3 (27:15) goes, you know, a lot of that music and a lot of that, you know, struggle is what built me today. And that's why, you know, why I'm here. And this is where the, you know, a lot of the inspiration came from. So when you start listening to his songs and you hear about that, now Zach might be an extreme, Speaker 5 (27:28) but Speaker 3 (27:29) wow. Speaker 5 (27:30) Yeah. Right. Yeah. Speaker 3 (27:33) Yeah, and to be Speaker 5 (27:34) where he is. The Speaker 3 (27:35) question is, do you guys have any inspiration that you pull from other than your daily lives? I mean, you're young. You might not have lived and had those trials and tribulations. You maybe will this year. But being much older than I could be your dad, but you're the same age, there's different segments during your life. And I think the gentleman out here can attest to that too. Life's not always easy. Speaker 6 (28:00) No, it's not. And Speaker 3 (28:02) I definitely think we have. Speaker 5 (28:05) I honestly think that was a big bonding place for us because I was actually writing, I was finishing up a song and I didn't know about your kind of story. And I was writing a song called Hope about my own brother's addiction. And he's doing very well now, but it was a long road. He's very open about it now, a lot of mental health. And I also have. You know, my family is a big jumble of people. I have three cousins that my parents adopted. And so I just felt like I was the youngest of six sitting at the top of the stairs, always kind of watching all this chaos. Yeah, Speaker 3 (28:43) chaos. Sometimes it is chaos, right? Yeah, but Speaker 5 (28:45) also so beautiful. And I feel like I saw so many different types of people with stories of big trauma growing up that I felt so deeply. So a lot of that impacts my music. But my brother, when he was kind of going through the thick of his addiction, that was during such a pivotal time in my high school career that I feel like it affected how I saw the world so young. That's Speaker 3 (29:10) a lens and a filter that most don't have to experience at that age. Speaker 5 (29:14) Yeah. Speaker 3 (29:14) Yeah, exactly. Usually you're pretty protected or guarded, you know? Yeah. Especially in Indiana. I mean, you were from California, right? So were you from a bigger city in California or a smaller city? Speaker 5 (29:24) You know, I would say in comparison to smaller cities anywhere else, it's still considered a big city. But for California, it felt smaller. Felt smaller. Speaker 3 (29:32) I Speaker 5 (29:32) think about 70,000, yeah. Yeah, Speaker 3 (29:34) that's a decent-sized city. So, you know, you're going to experience a little bit more than – well, Indiana gets to experience it too, I think, with the college, you know? Yeah, that's Speaker 2 (29:42) true. You Speaker 3 (29:43) know, we get – You know, some of that. And I moved around as a kid. So, you know, I lived in Denver for three years. I lived in the Midwest. I was born in Wisconsin, moved to Iowa. Then going from the Midwest to Denver, that was a whole other episode talking about, you know, getting bullied and, you know, and just feeling the trauma, you know, crying yourself to sleep every night, you know, for a year because you don't feel like you belong. And that's a horrible feeling, right? How old were you when you moved to Denver? That was six. And Perry's legs are kicking up. So I see. But, you know, I was sixth grade. So it was a very, you know, also a very hard Speaker 6 (30:19) time. Speaker 3 (30:21) It's a hard time when you want to belong, you Speaker 6 (30:23) know? Right. Yeah. Speaker 3 (30:24) So many changes Speaker 6 (30:25) happen. You get used to one place, too, and kind of make some friends. And then you get uprooted. That's tough. Speaker 3 (30:30) Well, when we come back, I want to continue the discussion. So now we're going to leave off with you guys meeting at the retreat, and now you reached out and said we're going to continue to write songs. Well, obviously, it's become more than that. So I want to hear about that. And we'll be right back. We're going to break into this bottle of penalty, too, and see what that's all about. Speaker 8 (30:58) It's built for the counsel who already knows that speed, precision, and early intelligence win cases, shape strategy, and protect the enterprise. We serve a small circle of tech-forward attorneys who understand the value of seeing regulatory movement before it becomes tomorrow's headline or next quarter's crisis. If you've heard of us, it's likely because someone trusted you enough to mention it. 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