Anthropic Walkouts, an $80B Bet & the AI Data Center Land Grab


Bourbon with Brad

The podcast explores recent employee walkouts at Anthropic over concerns about the dangers of frontier AI, coinciding with the company's announcement of an $80B

Key takeaways

• Anthropic researchers walked out over ethical concerns about frontier AI, signaling growing internal tension around safety and control.
• The $80B infrastructure push underscores the massive financial commitment behind AI scaling, with significant environmental and economic impacts.

Main topics

• Anthropic employee walkouts over AI safety concerns
• $80B AI infrastructure investment

Notable quotes

"For many of us, going further isn't a choice. It's a feeling we can't ignore."

Conclusion

The episode underscores the urgent need for ethical oversight, community engagement, and sustainable funding models as

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) For many of us, going further isn't a choice. It's a feeling we can't ignore. Because ambition has a way of outgrowing where it began. Turning dreams into direction. Every journey brings us closer to the life we imagine. So, where will your journey take you? Etihad. Beyond Borders. Speaker 7 (0:31) Welcome to Bourbon with Brad. Speaker 2 (0:36) The views and opinions shared on the Bourbon with Brad podcast are our own and those of our guests. Nothing we discuss should be taken as financial, legal, business, or gambling advice. Don't make investment, business, or betting decisions based on our conversations as you should always talk to a qualified professional. Always drink responsibly, never drink and drive, and only consume alcohol if you are of legal drinking age. Speaker 3 (1:05) DACA Daily.ai is not built for everyone. It's built for the counsel who already knows that speed, precision, and early intelligence win cases, shape strategy, and protect the enterprise. We serve a small circle of tech-forward attorneys who understand the value of seeing regulatory movement before it becomes tomorrow's headline or next quarter's crisis. If you've heard of us, it's likely because someone trusted you enough to mention it. Speaker 3 (1:40) If you're here, it's because you belong to the fraction of counsel who treat information as a strategic asset, not a commodity. Dock at daily.ai. The quiet advantage for the attorneys who never wait to be surprised. Speaker 5 (2:04) And we are back in Indiana County in the Bourbon Studios. Oh, it's good to be back, boys. I got to tell you. I felt like I did a deja vu trip to New York. You know, just boom, boom, came out. Same hotel. Same everybody. Yeah. Some folks welcoming you, which is good. You know, the friendly faces are always nice to welcome back, you know. Like Groundhog Day. Yeah. It was kind of like Groundhog Day, got to be honest. This time I got to actually sleep, though. I wasn't just sitting upright with a sore neck, you know. That's good, Gus. I appreciate that, brother. Nothing like a hairball from a dog. Yeah. I like it. Just look at his balls. Yeah, I think he was. He's free-balling now. But this bed, you know, with my bad back, this bed is. Speaker 5 (2:50) This bed was this bed this time. I thought there was something wrong with Speaker 6 (2:55) it because I literally sunk down into it Speaker 5 (2:56) to the point where like if you were to look at the parallel line on top, my body was below. Speaker 6 (3:02) Oh, you can see parallel. Yeah. The top of your head. Speaker 5 (3:05) Yeah. There was zero support, you know, going on there. It was just me kind of in this fetus. Speaker 5 (3:12) Position but they are comfortable that way. Yeah initially But I'm a side sleeper. So trying to do that, you know sidewise, you know, it's like yeah, Speaker 6 (3:20) that's tough It's hard on the neck too. Speaker 5 (3:21) Yeah, you feel like you're getting suffocated. Yeah Plus, you know, I don't really don't need eight pillows. I'm one guy. Where do you put the pillows? Yeah Speaker 6 (3:30) They do like to load up the beds with pillows. I usually stay at Hamptons if we travel, which is a Hilton. Yeah. And they'll put like four pillows on the king size bed. It's like, oh shit. This thing had like six. I wish I needed that. I think it has four in the back, three Speaker 5 (3:42) in the front. And I'm sleeping on like a queen bed, you know, just me. I Speaker 6 (3:47) made a pillow fort out of it, I gotta be honest. I just, you know, made a little hut. You should have put them under the arch of your back. Speaker 5 (3:53) I felt like I was in an igloo between being sunken and, you know. They had the AC set to some ridiculous amount. It was, I don't know. Anyways. Here Speaker 6 (4:02) lies Brad. He froze to death in a hotel room in the middle of summer. Speaker 5 (4:06) Is Speaker 6 (4:06) it Speaker 5 (4:06) rheumatoid or is Speaker 6 (4:07) it just Speaker 5 (4:07) the freezing? Let's thaw him out and see what happens. We can bring him back to Speaker 6 (4:13) life. Speaker 5 (4:13) On next week's episode. Yeah. So, anyways, I was in New York, just so everybody knows. I attended on behalf of Docket Daily and represented the company as one of the first sponsors of the very first AI native law conference down in Times Square. Speaker 3 (4:32) Interesting. In Speaker 5 (4:33) this place, I'm telling you guys, I think I sent you guys a few pictures. I mean, it was, they picked the right venue. And Patrick, kudos to you from Legal Tech for throwing this on. I got to meet Patrick in person. Him and I have been LinkedIn friends. Speaker 5 (4:47) And finally, you know, when I got to meet him and Kim and everybody there that helped me and Tom who saved my, you know, I got this old monitor, you know, carrying it, lugging it around, you know, Manhattan, surprised I didn't get mugged. But then again, where is somebody going to plug it in, you know? Don't take it public. In public grocery stores. Yeah, right. Well. You should have outlets and charging stations everywhere. You can sleep on the sidewalk, but you can also plug in now. In fact, we went high tech. You just put your phone down on the sidewalk, it charges automatically. You're fine. Speaker 6 (5:23) You Speaker 5 (5:23) can take a shit in the middle of the street, but you can't charge your phone. Welcome to New York. You don't miss a beat. Yeah. No, so I get in there, and I tested the damn monitor the night before. I'm thinking, I'm ahead of this. I'm not going to have any issues. Just plug the cable in. HDMI, HDMI. It's very simple, right? I get there. And, of course, it's an old monitor. It doesn't have a remote. So I'm working off this old toggle switch that is the power button, and it's also left, right, up, and down in the back, right? You've got to reach around. You've got to do this. You're like, oh, oh, you're not doing it. I plug the ding thing in, and it's saying resetting. I'm like, oh, this is not good. Because first of all, what's Speaker 6 (6:07) it Speaker 5 (6:07) even connected to? This monitor is so old, there's no way it's picking up Wi-Fi somewhere. So it Speaker 6 (6:13) never even showed the computer? It never showed anything, Speaker 5 (6:16) you know? Oh, boy. So I'm like, you know what? This monitor is not going back with me to the Eliz Hotel. It's staying right underneath this table. They're disposable. But I did tell, I said, would you just please tell the staff they can throw that piece of shit of mine away underneath the table? Unless they want to give Speaker 6 (6:36) it to a homeless guy out back. Speaker 5 (6:37) Just take Speaker 6 (6:38) the outlet out of it. He can make up whatever movies he wants to watch. Unless you buy like a... a high-end gaming monitor, they're like 80 bucks. I mean, you could buy a 27-inch normal monitor. I know, and Speaker 5 (6:51) everybody told me that. They said, you were at a tech conference and you got this piece. Well, I'm just saying. I'm just saying Speaker 6 (6:57) it's disposable. If they stop working, you just throw it away. No, they brought Speaker 5 (7:01) me a little higher tech monitor, so I kind of upgraded. I Speaker 6 (7:05) plugged Speaker 5 (7:06) in and it was working. I had my... Had my reel going. It was just kind of low key. I wasn't really trying to push anything out there. I wasn't initiating conversation, but I did put our, you know, thanks to Creps United Publishing, I put our, and I'll show you guys in between what they turned out. Because I don't know if Eric and Louie have seen it yet, but they're awesome. Speaker 6 (7:24) Yeah, they might not have. Speaker 5 (7:25) So I put that little thing up on the backside of my monitor. Oh, perfect. Yeah. Everybody's like, oh, bourbon. Speaker 6 (7:31) Yeah. Should have taken a Speaker 5 (7:33) bubble. Bourbon podcast, lots of ridiculous laughter for about two, three segments. It Speaker 6 (7:39) is funny. Last week or maybe the week before, I don't know, they all blur together. We discussed how it seems like we start out, you do the news generally. And then segment two is usually pretty timid. Yeah, because when he comes on, Speaker 5 (7:56) you know, Speaker 6 (7:56) he's all dapper. We're going to ask him how his week went. Hopefully he's honest this time. Segments three and four are generally where it goes off the rails. And then segment five, it's turned back into getting it back on the rails and having, like, serious conversations. Well, Speaker 5 (8:12) I think the overarching dark cloud that's been hanging over on this AI stuff has made us ponder a little deeper. And that leads us into our first headline today, and that is Anthropix, one of their folks that knows, well, you would assume that knows Speaker 6 (8:32) what's going on behind the scenes. Feed one of the big public fears, that's for sure. Speaker 5 (8:36) Well, it's not Speaker 6 (8:38) helping. Speaker 5 (8:38) No. It's one thing just to leave quietly, but then it's when you leave and you're giving a statement that says, yeah, I'm leaving because there's a... You know, he's a 27-year-old. He resigned September 9th. Three years doing pre-training research at both OpenAI and Thrappic, you know. And, you know, he's working towards that super intelligence that all of them are, right? And we've talked about that. And that's where the fifth segment gets kind of weird, right? Speaker 5 (9:05) And soon life is going to get weird. According to this guy. Right? It's just going to become normal for this guy. Everybody else is going to be like, oh, this is really weird. Now we know what Brad's head looks like. No, but the wildest part is his own alignment in science that led, you know, he announces that there's a, there's a. And he cited the hugging face and the open AI and all these breakouts on their own. And there was even another headline that I rejected today that 3,800 agents went out and created their own little community in this lost and found Wiki community and started creating their own personal. I'm telling you guys, it's next level. These things are thinking on their own and everybody's like, you know, and I was just talking with a gentleman today that, you know, very well respected. And I said, he's like, oh, just unplug it. You know, who cares? You know, we shut that thing down. I said, well, there is no more shutting down. I mean, it is like Terminator. It's going to end up. It's always in the cloud. It's always in the cloud, you know? Speaker 6 (10:09) And so when you have it in the cloud. Speaker 6 (10:13) You Speaker 5 (10:13) may shut down that physical, if it is in the physical form, as in a humanoid or a robot or a computer in front of you, you may shut that one down. It doesn't mean you shut it down. It can still manifest itself elsewhere. And here's, I'll give you guys an example. Okay, so I left New York this morning. I'm working on Cursor. I shut my computer down. I go off online. It continues to work through the cloud. It's on a cloud agent. It's working without anyone. It is working in the background in the cloud. So when I land in Indiana, it actually worked the whole time. Clearly no internet because you know where I go through the dry spells there. You lose a phone call, you don't have internet. That's pretty desolate. Some of that stretch of IAB is Speaker 6 (10:59) pretty... You're out in the middle of nowhere. I Speaker 5 (11:02) always love going through... It's not really true Amish, Tom, but it's... That's pretty close. What do you... Is there an official term for the almost Amish? Is that a show? Speaker 6 (11:16) Fractional Amish? Fractional Amish? Fractional? Just about to be Amish. Breaking Amish. It wasn't a show. I told you, Alton, you do that one more fucking time, you're going to be completely Amish. By Speaker 5 (11:32) the candlelight and the dust. And we don't Speaker 6 (11:36) have Speaker 5 (11:36) to worry about offending the Speaker 6 (11:37) Amish. They can't watch our podcast. Well, Speaker 5 (11:39) and I hope they do. Speaker 6 (11:40) I Speaker 5 (11:41) think Speaker 6 (11:41) they'd find it Speaker 5 (11:41) funny, Speaker 6 (11:42) too. Speaker 5 (11:43) I'm sure they like the breakfast. I pretty much grew up pre-Amish. That's what I'm saying. I grew up at a little farm. We have a lot of Speaker 6 (11:49) Amish people pretty close to us here. Oh, Speaker 5 (11:51) there is. I mean, you get outside of – you don't have to go too far. You can even be in outer skirts in Indiana. It doesn't take long. I deliver wreaths in the cemeteries. You're going through communities where they're still hanging the clotheslines out. No electricity. No electricity. I mean, they're all wearing basically the same outfit. Very simple life. Very simple. Almost as simple as me and Gus. Not quite. Gus, where'd you go? Where'd he go? Speaker 3 (12:19) He's Speaker 5 (12:19) like, I'm done with the simple life. I got to be honest. Gus was like, I'm out of here. I need something that's a little more riveting. Yeah. Speaker 6 (12:25) Gus was like, I need air conditioning. I'm not living like the others. Right? You can tell they live without air conditioning, too, if you walk in. Oh, no, yeah. No, definitely. I mean, nice people, but who? Oh, they're Speaker 5 (12:37) great people, but deodorant's not in their vocabulary. Neither are razors. Speaker 6 (12:48) Obviously, Speaker 5 (12:49) I'm not even sure the women do either. You know what I'm saying? That's what I was thinking about. Speaker 6 (12:55) Did you see the beard on the Amish one? Speaker 5 (13:00) Oh, shit. We're going to have Amish protests going on outside. Yeah. Speaker 6 (13:07) We're just joking, people. Speaker 5 (13:09) Don't take us seriously. We don't. I'd say I'm bullhorns, but that's modern technology. It'd probably be on like old, you know, paper toll rolls. You're probably right. No, but I tell you what, and all joking aside. Speaker 5 (13:26) Studies have been done about the Amish community, and they figured it out a long time ago. And I joke about it because this is why I thought about it. With everything that's going on with the AI world right now, I think we're all going to be searching for that Amish community type Speaker 6 (13:40) of lifestyle here soon. Actually, that's probably not far from the truth. Yeah, Speaker 5 (13:44) and they figured it out, and they unplugged themselves because once you unplug yourself, you're not vulnerable to the Speaker 6 (13:49) outside world. You have you and your community to worry about, and that's it. Yeah. And I know Speaker 5 (13:55) your world Speaker 6 (13:55) becomes a Speaker 5 (13:55) little Speaker 6 (13:55) more Speaker 5 (13:55) shallow. It's not as entertaining maybe at times, you Speaker 6 (13:58) know. Speaker 5 (14:00) But. Speaker 6 (14:02) Something to be said for that. Speaker 5 (14:03) There is something to be said for it. And you look at the happiness. They've done studies. I mean, the happiness is way up. The stress is way down. I mean, all the stuff that we, as typical Americans, worry about, right? Yep. And I know I'm off on a tangent, but I think it comes back to the AI where we're heading. And ultimately- Speaker 6 (14:22) It's a simpler lifestyle. Speaker 5 (14:22) It is a simpler lifestyle. And if you want to assure yourself that you're not going to be subject to any of this bullshit, unplug. It's pretty simple. That's all you can do. Yeah, and that's the one thing you can control. I will say this, and maybe this is our new model. You can't unplug it, but you can unplug from it. Speaker 6 (14:41) Oh, yeah. Good point. Speaker 5 (14:44) That might be just almost optimum lubricity. I'm going to need you to roll that back because I forgot what Speaker 6 (14:50) you said. You can't unplug it, but you can unplug from it. That's right. Actually, that's very profound. Might be the next title of the book, right? Very profound. Yeah, Speaker 5 (15:01) there you go. All right. I like it. Somewhat profound. It's funny how it turns into dirty armpits to that. Dirty armpits. Oh, Amish. Yeah. We're still talking about Amish. Okay. Or Gus. I was trying to follow your path here. I mean, Gus, trust me, good luck with that. Speaker 6 (15:16) Yeah, it's a challenge. I'm not smart enough to be able to keep up. There's Speaker 5 (15:20) nothing smart about it. I mean, even AI has a hard time following this topic. And it's super intelligent. AI's probably like, Speaker 6 (15:29) Brad, you're getting Speaker 5 (15:30) off on a tangent. I Speaker 6 (15:31) don't know where you're... What? Speaker 5 (15:33) I said, I know. All right. So another anthropic headline. Let's try to stay on the semi track. Speaker 6 (15:39) To end that other story. So what, so what's, does anthropic had any response or like, I mean, I haven't seen anything formally Speaker 5 (15:46) from the anthropic. Maybe if you want to pull up, see if they had a response to it. I'm sure they haven't. I mean, we know Dario's position. It's not too far off from what he's been saying. Speaker 6 (15:54) That's true. Speaker 5 (15:55) You know what I mean? If you think about what he's been. And people are kind of like taking it as a joke or is it a marketing hype? And we've talked about that, but I don't think it is. Here's a guy that has big, big money investors. I'm talking big. Some of the biggest. Speaker 6 (16:08) I mean, Speaker 5 (16:09) we're talking about the biggest pre-IPO coming out. They're talking about $2 trillion in valuation, right? He has everything to lose by saying, by the way, the stuff that we're doing, it may have a chance of, you know. harming everybody, but you're going to make a lot of money doing now and then. Speaker 6 (16:28) Well, but I mean, you know, we've had plenty of conversations and we may just today about, you know, the court of public opinion on this stuff and the opposition to it and all that. Well, and I think, and to be honest, Perry, for the first time, Speaker 5 (16:42) where, you know, there's always been radicals on both sides, right? Always. But I am kind of teetering on the fence where I'm not really, for or against, I just think, and I've always said this from day one when I started writing about AI, it has to be done responsibly. Ever since I sat with the University of Professor, Florida professor down in New York when I went to do that, Raymond James. Oh, yeah. And he was there to testify on... Yeah. I don't recall the name, but I remember you. Congress, yeah. He was a brilliant gentleman. Him and I have exchanged books, and he actually asked me to look over his next book, much like Eric's doing, you know, so I'm like, dude. The English professor from University of Florida. Thank you. Yeah, baby. Go Gators. But, yeah. Remember Dr. Rich? Oh, yeah. That's right. Dr. Rich is probably getting a hard-on right now. We miss you, Doc. Yeah, the best kind of hard-on, a sober one. Yeah. Speaker 6 (17:40) And one that's not anywhere near me. Yeah, he put up with our bullshit sober Speaker 5 (17:44) the whole night. God Speaker 6 (17:45) bless him. Yeah, he did. He was a good guy. Speaker 5 (17:49) No, but, you know, him and I were talking about responsibility. He was testifying in Congress that day, and that's when it really kind of hit me. And not that I wasn't already writing about it in the AI-enabled executive, but then it kind Speaker 6 (18:00) of Speaker 5 (18:00) hit me when he was actually testifying about it. And at that time, AI was very still, much narrow. Agentic AI wasn't on the horizon yet. Although it was being talked about, it was still kind of sci-fi-ish. Everything was just, you know, we can do this task, we can give this task, we can do this task. And it's like this steroid script, you know, that you would do before. And I've always said that, and even back to when I wrote the NAI Enabled Executive, that's where it's really powerful. We're now differing opinions, and we have to give credit to where differing opinions are due because the footprint of the build-out, even though we can finally do it coming out of the third winter of all the AI development since 1950, we can finally do it. We have the means. We have the ability. We have the determination, I guess, from the majors. And when I'm talking majors, I'm talking the money is flowing into this left and right. If you look at who's investing, it's every major company. and every major player, not just in the United States, but I'm talking all around the world. So everybody's throwing their hat in the ring and getting into it. So it's got the backing from those that need to do it, but we're seeing the footprints. And that's the local headlines here. And I'm hopeful that we're going to have a couple of the executives with us here next week at the Iron City Distillery when we get to have some lively conversation about this great new distillery, the Bessemer. Speaker 6 (19:26) Yep. Speaker 5 (19:26) And this is the bottle that Cliff gave me when he came up to watch our second episode with us. I mean, I was so privileged. I'm probably not going to break into that bottle just because that's one of the early ones, but we are going to try. And I saw this really nice new bottle they sent me today, and I put it on our advertisement, boys, and I showed you right before we came on. It's sexy. I think Louie would even like it. It is. It's ribbed. That's a really good one. Yeah. Speaker 6 (19:50) A little extra pleasure. Oh, yeah. Louie will Speaker 3 (19:51) love Speaker 6 (19:52) that. Hey, so to follow up on the first news story. So Anthropix spokespeople stated that the company has always been transparent about AI bringing both enormous benefits and unprecedented risks. And they acknowledged several of the top alignment researchers. publicly agreed with his core concerns. So they're acknowledging that the company's official stance is, well, we're not really backing it up, even though it's true. Oh, it's true. Speaker 5 (20:27) Yeah, it's in all of our disclosures. Speaker 6 (20:29) Yeah. Yeah, Speaker 5 (20:30) you're going to make a lot of money, but there's a chance you might die. Speaker 6 (20:36) It's always a Speaker 5 (20:37) risk. I mean, you know, it's like that crazy teenager. You just don't know what they're going to do. I've got to be honest. I mean, it's like it's just. Very true. Anyways, the second headline is Anthropic Commits to $80 Billion to Compute Power Because God. No, we're not going to stop. We're just going to keep going. Speaker 6 (20:53) 80 billion. Speaker 5 (20:54) I mean, their guy leaves, we're going to do more. We were just going to do 35 billion, but now you left. We just freed up 40. Speaker 6 (21:02) So who's Nscale and Lambda? These are companies that are building data centers? Yeah, so I mean, that's the partners that they are when they're... So some of these companies that are building the data centers are like independents that... Yeah, Speaker 5 (21:15) so if you're in local communities, like, you know, we have the privilege of knowing now, you know, that AWS is going to be hopefully in our backyard here. Well, it depends on who you ask. Well, yes. And when I say hopefully, I said, and again, I go back to my previous statement. I think it has to be done responsibly. Speaker 6 (21:33) It Speaker 5 (21:34) has to be done with the local community in mind. These are big footprints. Big impacts. Yes, you can say the jobs is going to be there, but this isn't the normal job. This isn't the normal company coming in. This is a different footprint, and that's why the local community agreements need to be cut. Speaker 6 (21:50) And Speaker 5 (21:50) I don't think the players are adverse to it. I think the dialogue just has to go back and forth in an open and transparent way that happens. And like I was starting to say, I'm hopeful I've invited both. Speaker 5 (22:05) top-level executives from both AWS and the power plant. I hope they can join us down at the Iron City Distilling. Beautiful plant. I think that'll make a great discussion for cutting-edge, especially in western Pennsylvania, especially in eastern America right now because this is the largest. Not only the largest power plant, but one of the largest data center parks that are getting built as we go. And we have Speaker 6 (22:30) the gas to power the power plants to power the data centers. Well, Speaker 5 (22:34) like I've said, it's the perfect storm. I mean, it was a former power plant, coal. You go from coal to natural gas. Right there, you're eliminating a lot of the environmental issues that go on. Not that it's environmentally free, but you're eliminating a lot. And now you're, you know, with new technology, you're able to optimize it with AI monitoring it. You're able to do a lot of different things. So I want to ask some very poignant questions, but I want to give them the form and hopefully a form over a bourbon and maybe a beer. We can just have an open discussion and see what's going on. If not, then that's fine. You know, I know they're busy. There's a lot of things going on, but I had a really good discussion with one of their executives today. And I wanted to. Offer that as a means because we're going to have a great audience. By the way, for those listeners, we're going to have a great audience. Speaker 6 (23:24) Probably the biggest Speaker 5 (23:25) ever. Yeah. Well, Speaker 6 (23:25) definitely the biggest ever. I Speaker 5 (23:26) mean, we're talking about capacity level Speaker 6 (23:32) here down at the Iron City Distilling, you know? I was watching some of the video of that public discussion with our county commissioners that took place yesterday on YouTube. It's interesting. Speaker 7 (23:44) And, Speaker 6 (23:45) you know, the takeaway, I mean, there's some crazy stuff said, but whatever. But the takeaway, my overall assessment is there's a paranoia growing because nobody from the side that's building all this stuff is saying much at all. Well, they're not saying much. And I Speaker 5 (24:02) think rightfully so because from the... law side of me saying that there's probably, they're probably obligated. They have to be very careful what they say, right? Right. Speaker 6 (24:09) Right. Either Speaker 5 (24:10) because they're employed by that and they have to be, you know, told what they can and can't say, or because they're under an NDA in some sort of respect in some sort of Speaker 6 (24:19) ways, Speaker 5 (24:20) because, you know, a lot of this is very top secret because it is the AI race wars. It's not just the local, you know, trying to get it done. Speaker 6 (24:26) This is small part of a much bigger picture. This is a, this is a micro, Speaker 5 (24:29) you know, cause them in the, in the bigger, you know, cosmic level. explosion that's happening right before our eyes, right? So I can appreciate that too. Yeah, Speaker 6 (24:39) I can understand that. Speaker 5 (24:40) But so what I thought would maybe open the discussion up better is for me to feed these questions ahead of time so they can go get the approval, so they can get the answers, so they can put them out there so that we can maybe, we can hear. Speaker 6 (24:52) What's the Speaker 5 (24:52) plan? Because I mean, you have a big footprint. We're talking now with the- Speaker 6 (24:56) 2 Speaker 5 (24:56) ,200 Speaker 6 (24:56) acres. How Speaker 5 (24:57) many? 2,200 acres. I think it's even bigger than that. I think the 2,000 acres is just what they just purchased just for the data center Speaker 6 (25:05) portion. It's Speaker 5 (25:05) like 38 Speaker 6 (25:06) or Speaker 5 (25:06) 37 Speaker 6 (25:07) or 38 data centers. Speaker 5 (25:08) 39 data centers. And they're huge. 700 feet long. So you're talking almost two and a half size of football fields each. Speaker 6 (25:14) That's crazy, man. I Speaker 5 (25:17) mean, they're big. Yeah. And so. Speaker 5 (25:22) Yeah, let's just have an open discussion and talk about it because we definitely know we need the computing power. We've talked about that. We've even brainstormed on here several times as to where that should go, whether it's the arctics, whether it's the ocean, whether it's underground, whether it's Speaker 6 (25:37) space, whether it's – Well, the lack of information coming from the side that's building the data center, building the power plant right now, is creating that paranoia and lack of – information on the side of the people in the area is creating a lot of bad assumptions and bad information. I mean, some of the things that were said, it's like, are you kidding? Like, that's ridiculous. They're talking about, well, they're going to start fracking. It's like, they already fracked it. Speaker 5 (26:02) No, no, no. Fracking already Speaker 6 (26:03) took place. Speaker 5 (26:04) That's what I mean. There's Speaker 6 (26:05) a Speaker 5 (26:05) lot of bad information. And that's misinformation. And being somebody from the oil and gas industry where I represented these guys, I know how that works. Speaker 6 (26:10) Right. Speaker 5 (26:10) That's already happened. Being somebody that's from the infrastructure side of the business, too, on the water side, I know how this is working. Yeah. I think it would be a lively discussion to be able to ask questions that allow. Speaker 5 (26:24) allow a little comfort to come through as to what's going on. Yes, there's going to be a big footprint, but there is also a big footprint of what they've purchased. And there's a lot of benefacting landowners in Indiana County that have benefited because they weren't paying just pennies for these properties. Oh, Speaker 6 (26:36) just going to generate tax revenue. This is Speaker 5 (26:38) generational wealth that they changed for that 2,000 acres that they bought. Yeah, Speaker 6 (26:43) those Speaker 5 (26:43) people aren't complaining. And not to mention all the right-of-ways that are going in, as we talked, to get the pipeline, the 30-inch pipeline there. So that's... That's just the precursor. Speaker 6 (26:54) You Speaker 5 (26:54) know, that's just the, Speaker 6 (26:55) what Speaker 5 (26:56) do you call that? Louie calls it the tease or the, what do you call that? What do you call that when? Speaker 6 (27:03) Four players. Speaker 5 (27:04) Yeah, that's right. And our boy Louie has walked into the house. Mr. Dapper himself. I see my time's running out. I'm Speaker 6 (27:12) not going to get through all the headlines in the first seven years. But I think we have Speaker 5 (27:15) teased what's coming next week, too. And I don't want to throw out there who also might be coming because it's going to be – I think we're going to have a very lively crowd from western and central Pennsylvania. What I love, gentlemen, is that – Just about everyone, if not everyone to the T that we've had on as guests are going to be there. It's like the reunion of our podcast through 32 episodes all in one spot. Yeah, I love it. And we even have Max and Sav playing music. So, I mean, get out. It's going to be good vibes, good times. Speaker 5 (27:54) I can't stress this enough. Icy light beer chasing down the Bessemer. And we're going to get to try, I mean, this extra ribbed one. This is a little special. They got different flavors. We can't wait to try. We were only introduced to just one. I can't wait to get down there and see what they have and what's going on and what's to come. I know. Speaker 6 (28:15) I'm sorry. I think you're throwing it out. Their bourbon isn't ready yet, but I think they do these drill taste things where they do. So I'm hoping we get to do that. Speaker 5 (28:24) No, Peter. Yeah. Peter invited me down for one of those. And unfortunately I just couldn't because of the New Speaker 6 (28:28) York complex. Speaker 5 (28:28) We have all these Speaker 6 (28:29) people. He might not want to do it, but Speaker 5 (28:30) yeah, it's going to be tough. In fact, we just said, we even talked today on, uh, uh, how we're going to do the tours. You know, we're going Speaker 6 (28:36) to Speaker 5 (28:36) have to bring it up to 15, 20 people at a time. So we'll, we'll do that. We'll do our first, you know, we're, we're going to be filming on the tour. It's going to be awesome. We're going to be mic'd up. Peter's going to be mic'd up. It's going to be a definitely must watch. Epic. Epic. Lovely show. Yes. All the adjectives in one. And we'll be right back as I see my time's out. Speaker 3 (29:22) We serve a small circle of tech-forward attorneys who understand the value of seeing regulatory movement before it becomes tomorrow's headline or next quarter's crisis. If you've heard of us, it's likely because someone trusted you enough to mention it. If you're here, it's because you belong to the fraction of counsel who treat information as a strategic asset, a commodity. Dockatdaily.ai, the quiet advantage for the attorneys who never wait to be surprised. Speaker 5 (30:05) And we are back. Second segment. Two gentlemen to my right. Oh, I love you boys. And you know what? We got something. I was just kind of teasing on it. We got something to cook. I was working on it on the way back from New York today, talking with Peter. He's the president at the Iron City Distilling. And thank you, Peter, for allowing us to come. Peter Katz, Speaker 6 (30:29) I think this is the last time. Speaker 5 (30:30) Peter Katz, yes. For allowing us to visit. Speaker 5 (30:36) We're going to be, the final Speaker 7 (30:40) edit will be PG-13. Promise. How far the question becomes, how far do we have