Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore with Katey Rich

Blank Check with Griffin & David

In this episode of Blank Check with Griffin & David, the hosts dive into the 1974 film 'Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore,' exploring its unexpected legacy as the basis for a

Key takeaways

• The film's marketing—featuring Chris Christopherson prominently—misrepresents its true nature as a deeply emotional, character-driven story about female resilience.
• Despite being marketed as a romantic comedy, 'Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore' is fundamentally a tender study of grief and personal transformation.

Main topics

• Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore film analysis
• Marketing misrepresentation of a character-driven drama as a rom-com

Notable quotes

It's not about Chris Christopherson hugging Ellen Burstyn. It's about a woman stuck in cycles.

Conclusion

While 'Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore' was marketed as a romantic second chance, its true power lies in

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:01) A Speaker 5 (0:21) podcast for everyone who has ever dreamed of a second chance. The marketing on this movie was insane. I'm going to put forward that it's insane that the poster for this movie is just Burstyn and Christofferson smiling. I think it worked because Speaker 7 (0:40) people were like, well. I'd like to see that. I'd like to, I'd like Chris Christopherson to take me in his loving arms. You like Speaker 5 (0:47) Ellen Burstyn, like his beard. We all want that. Would you argue that's not really what the movie is? But what would you say the movie is? Just like her crying? Speaker 7 (0:56) Like, you don't want that? Speaker 5 (0:57) Yeah, but that's not going to go on a poster. I just think it's funny. This is like, you know, it's Ellen Burstyn's Oscar winning performance. I would say Speaker 7 (1:04) it's an element. It's a strong element of the movie. No one's walking out of there being like, well. There was no Chris Christopherson hugging in that film. I feel cheated. Like, it's in there. But Speaker 5 (1:14) I think this movie is more than anything about a woman stuck in cycles. And this movie... poster presents it as if like one door closed and another one opened. It Speaker 6 (1:25) is eventually open. Speaker 5 (1:27) Eventually the door creaks open and she's like, I think it's safe to walk through this door. Exactly. I Speaker 4 (1:32) mean, throwing out the idea that a movie about a woman is being sold with a man on the poster. This is true. That's never been done before. Speaker 5 (1:38) No. And him being above the title is kind of nuts. It's Ellen Burstyn and Chris Christopherson in. I mean, what? This is two years? No, when are stars born relative to this? After Speaker 7 (1:49) this, right? After two years after. This is the early him acting. We can talk about Speaker 4 (1:54) it. Speaker 7 (1:54) But he's Speaker 4 (1:55) already very famous. But he's very famous. He's Speaker 7 (1:56) very Speaker 4 (1:56) famous. Speaker 7 (1:56) You know, he's someone you want, you know, to show off because it's like, hey, we got this Speaker 6 (2:02) guy. Speaker 7 (2:04) Oh, Speaker 6 (2:04) he wrote that song. He Speaker 7 (2:06) did. Speaker 6 (2:06) Dang. Yeah. Speaker 7 (2:07) I'm not a Chris Speaker 6 (2:08) Christopherson guy, I have to admit. You're a Speaker 7 (2:11) big Speaker 5 (2:11) Whistler guy, though, Speaker 7 (2:12) right? It's the character he plays in Blade. Speaker 5 (2:15) Blade's assistant. Speaker 6 (2:16) Oh, right. Yeah. Oh, you got to go get those vampires. Blade, kill the vampires. You've been asking me if I like Whistlin. Speaker 4 (2:23) Or like Whistler's mother, the painting. Oh, Speaker 7 (2:26) this just got 100 % jauntier. I'll say I Speaker 5 (2:31) like Whistlin, which is the verb I use for watching Blade movies. Right. I'm going to have a... Is he in Trinity? Is he in the third one? He is, but he dies for the second time, I want to say. Rip. Because he dies in the first one. The second one, he's back alive and they don't explain it. The third one, they kill him for good. But then Whistler's daughter shows up. Right. Whistler's daughter is Jessica Biel. Speaker 7 (2:52) Right. Speaker 5 (2:52) Whenever I have Speaker 7 (2:53) a daughter, I hope she looks like Jessica Biel from Speaker 5 (2:56) Seventh Speaker 6 (2:56) Heaven. Speaker 5 (2:56) Right. And then Planet of the Apes. Excuse me? Planet of the Apes. Parenthetical 2001. Sure. Estella Warren is his daughter. Speaker 6 (3:06) She's my daughter. Speaker 5 (3:07) I'm a human. I hope these apes don't kill me. Speaker 7 (3:10) Damn apes. You can make the checkout to it's K-R-I-S. We Speaker 5 (3:18) can't do our favorite bit on that movie because it's too early. But the idea that you can see the actor doing direct deposit on their phone on camera. Speaker 7 (3:29) Yep. Chris Christopherson, the handsome boy, is Speaker 5 (3:34) here. What a good looking guy. The handsome boy is the nickname? Speaker 4 (3:37) He's Speaker 5 (3:38) a Speaker 4 (3:38) man, David. Speaker 5 (3:39) Yeah. I think calling him a boy is immediately offensive. There Speaker 4 (3:42) is a boy in this movie who is distinctly a boy. So you got to set Chris apart. Chris Speaker 5 (3:45) Christopherson, the young, handsome new boy is here. The Speaker 4 (3:49) rancher. I Speaker 5 (3:50) think Chris Christopherson is as much of a man as anyone has ever been. That is an adult man. He's an adult man. And the boy in this movie has the foulest mouth he's ever heard. That's a brutal thing coming from Chris Christopherson. Yeah, you imagine. That's the Speaker 7 (4:05) foulest mouth I've ever heard. Right. You imagine Chris has probably met a couple saucy fellas over the years. Spending all that time Speaker 4 (4:12) on the ranch, you know, you're not talking to enough people and not used to it. I Speaker 5 (4:16) just think it's funny that this movie was sold as a second chance rom-com and then spawned a nine season workplace sitcom. And you watch it and you're like, it's just like a pretty tender, small character study about a sad woman. But Speaker 4 (4:28) the minute that you start with the Mel's Diner sequence, you're like, oh, I would spend nine seasons here. It makes perfect sense. It emerges fully formed as the setting for a show that you would watch. Speaker 7 (4:37) If you showed someone the first five minutes of this movie, so the crazy prologue, right? And maybe just a couple minutes of her with her husband. She doesn't really like that much. And you were like. Now hit pause. Now what if I told you this turned into a hit sitcom? You'd be Speaker 5 (4:49) like, what part of it turned into it? But 100 plus Speaker 7 (4:52) episodes and a spin-off. But if you show someone the last half of the movie, they would be like, oh, sure, I can see Speaker 6 (4:58) it. Speaker 7 (4:59) Ben Speaker 5 (4:59) looks befuddled. Producer Ben looks befuddled. There was a wildly successful sitcom that ran for nearly a decade called Alice's Restaurant that was based on this movie that was a workplace diner sitcom. It was just called Alice. Speaker 4 (5:12) It's all you need. Oh, Speaker 5 (5:13) really? Speaker 4 (5:13) Why do I think it was called Alice's Restaurant? Alice's Speaker 6 (5:15) Restaurant is a play, right? No, it's the Woody Guthrie's son. Oh, that's what I'm thinking. Yes, sorry. I knew I was Speaker 7 (5:22) getting confused. It was just called Alice. It was the longest running sitcom starring a woman until Roseanne. It ran for nine seasons. Linda Lavin, Speaker 5 (5:32) the great Linda Lavin. And I would say Speaker 7 (5:33) it was, I mean, yeah, it was very successful. Like it spent a good... half of its time on the air being like a top 10 show. And here's what's crazy. Diane Ladd in this movie plays Flo, right? A different actress plays Flo on the sitcom. Everyone Speaker 5 (5:47) is different except for one person. Vic Tabak. Speaker 7 (5:49) Yes. Speaker 5 (5:50) The cook is the same actor, right? But everyone else is different because it was, you know, you're a movie actor. You don't go down to TV. The show is so successful. They spin off Flo into her own show and then to replace Flo in the dynamic. They hire Diane Speaker 7 (6:04) Ladd to play a new waitress. Speaker 5 (6:06) That's how big Speaker 7 (6:08) the show was. But at Speaker 5 (6:09) first she's like, I'm not doing a sitcom of the movie I was in. And then five years later, she was like, I would gladly join the cast. Speaker 7 (6:15) I'd love to. And in fact, where can I sign on the Speaker 5 (6:18) top of Speaker 7 (6:18) my list? Speaker 5 (6:18) But it's just like, what if it's just this fun diner minus any abusive relationships? Speaker 4 (6:22) Have you guys ever watched Alice? I thought about doing it for this and I didn't. I Speaker 5 (6:26) never have. I know Kiss My Grits, Speaker 4 (6:27) which is Speaker 5 (6:28) the catchphrase. Speaker 4 (6:29) Which Diane Speaker 5 (6:30) Ladd... Speaker 4 (6:30) That's Speaker 5 (6:30) what Speaker 4 (6:30) they would say. doesn't say in the movie, right? She's talking about grits. Speaker 7 (6:33) She's talking about grits. They get close. She's got Speaker 4 (6:35) plenty of like fun, colorful language. Speaker 7 (6:38) That was, you know, Polly Holiday on the show. That was Speaker 4 (6:39) a show. What do I do with these Speaker 7 (6:41) grits? Should I Speaker 5 (6:42) hug them? Should I gently caress them? Speaker 6 (6:45) David was just telling us to kiss morning grits. Speaker 5 (6:47) He was telling us to kiss morning grits. Speaker 4 (6:49) Evening grits also is solid. I mean... If you go to Waffle House, it's open 24 hours. You can have grits any time of day. Speaker 5 (6:54) What's your Waffle House order? Because you live in a Waffle House area. Scattered, Smothered, and Speaker 4 (6:57) Covered. Scattered, Smothered, and Covered. Also the name of a Hootie and Speaker 5 (6:59) the Speaker 4 (6:59) Blowfish album. I'm Speaker 5 (7:00) well Speaker 4 (7:00) aware I owned it on CD. Why did I wear my Hootie and Speaker 5 (7:04) the Speaker 4 (7:04) Blowfish shirt that I recently found in Speaker 7 (7:05) my parents' house? Speaker 4 (7:05) Why haven't you bought me one? I would gladly buy Speaker 7 (7:08) you one. Speaker 5 (7:08) Google.com, Hootie and the Blowfish shirt. Alex Ross Perry is rubbing his hands together right now at this reveal. I don't even know what he's going to do with this. He's going to bully Speaker 4 (7:18) me somehow. Speaker 7 (7:19) I lived in Britain. where Hootie and the Blowfish, much like sort of Matchbox 20, Dave Matthews Band, some of these like American bands. All nighted. No, it's just one of those things that completely failed to translate. Like, you know, they were, you know, they were brought over as like, this is one of the hottest bands in America right now. Their album just went like double diamond and Britain was like. I think we're okay. Is this like Speaker 4 (7:40) how we don't get Robbie Williams? Like he just never landed here. There's just something Speaker 7 (7:43) that just never made it over. But I was gifted Cracked Rearview when I was 10 years old and I gave it a spin on the old Discman. Southern Speaker 4 (7:52) frat rock not translating does make sense to me. The whole Speaker 7 (7:54) thing with Hooting the Blowfish and I've done this rant before is like, oh yeah, is that Darius Rucker's voice is incredible. Like that's, it's the thing where you listen to it and you're like. He fucking rocks. And now he's become Speaker 5 (8:04) a massive solo country. And then he had his country career Speaker 7 (8:07) and you're kind of like, God bless him. Because, you know, anytime you listen to Hootie and the Blowfish, you're like, all Speaker 6 (8:13) of this is pretty ordinary sounding except who the, Hootie, Hootie B. Hooten. Speaker 5 (8:17) I feel so bad for him. He's Speaker 7 (8:19) so good. I know his name's not Hootie. Speaker 5 (8:20) But that's, that's the thing. It's the blondie problem. He could never come out from under being Hootie. If Speaker 4 (8:26) you guys ever saw, and of course the Jerry Speaker 5 (8:28) Maguire gag. Yes. No, I am not Hootie. As Speaker 4 (8:30) people who've listened to the show before know, I grew up in South Carolina. I don't live there now. But so if you drive into South Carolina from Charlotte, there's like a visitor's area there. And there is a video, like a South Carolina tourism video that Darius Rucker made. Wow. He's the star of it. It's like, hey, welcome to my state. I love it here. Yeah. If he wanted to run for governor of South Carolina, he Speaker 7 (8:48) would Speaker 4 (8:48) win. He would win 100%. Darius Rucker? Hootie? Yeah. But you would just have to be Hootie. So well. No, Speaker 7 (8:52) but Speaker 4 (8:52) he is like a treasure. So he is doing just fine. You Speaker 7 (8:55) know? Speaker 4 (8:56) I agree. The Speaker 7 (8:57) man's Speaker 4 (8:58) a Speaker 7 (8:58) treasure. Let's give him treasure status. I'm Speaker 5 (9:00) so Speaker 7 (9:00) glad I got Speaker 5 (9:01) us here. Speaker 7 (9:01) Let's make him Speaker 5 (9:01) treasurer. Put him in the trunk? Yeah. He's treasure. It is funny to imagine. Put him in the trunk. He's Speaker 7 (9:06) treasure. Speaker 5 (9:07) It's funny to imagine he could run, probably win. Sure. With the name Darius Rucker on the ballot. Just going, I Speaker 7 (9:15) love America. I can't do his Speaker 5 (9:16) voice. The second he won, everyone would be like, well, Governor Speaker 7 (9:20) Hootie. Speaker 5 (9:20) Governor Speaker 4 (9:20) Hootie. Yeah. Speaker 5 (9:21) It Speaker 4 (9:22) didn't Speaker 5 (9:22) matter. He'd probably be fine with it. He'd just have to accept it. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not liking any of their merch. Green the Blowfish? You're thinking about buying some? I just thought Speaker 7 (9:31) I had a thought, but I'm Speaker 5 (9:32) not... The shirt I have is from the 1995 Speaker 4 (9:34) tour that I went to. It was my first ever concert. And it's... They don't look like you on the back. If you go on eBay, it's on there. They have Speaker 7 (9:43) the... There's the Friends episode that's about... One of the very few Friends episodes that tried to touch on sort of matters of class and money. Okay. Usually friends didn't really touch this stuff and it's like, oh, they all live in giant apartments and like, don't worry about it. This is the one that Mike lead guest directed. Exactly. It's the only one that acknowledges that three of the friends are kind of like make good money and three don't. And it's, it's about that. And like, it's Speaker 5 (10:09) a Speaker 7 (10:09) hoodie and the blowfish concert. Let's break this Speaker 5 (10:11) down. Do Speaker 7 (10:11) you remember who the three Ross makes good money? Ross is Ross. Monica makes good money. Chandler and Monica. Yeah. Are the like, quote unquote, richer. And then like Joey, Phoebe and Rachel are the. But it might be Rachel is, I can't remember where it is. Rachel sometimes works for Ralph Lauren, but Speaker 4 (10:27) she doesn't always. Rachel Speaker 5 (10:28) comes Speaker 4 (10:28) from Speaker 5 (10:29) money? Speaker 7 (10:29) Yes, but of course she gets, she has to cut off all her credit cards. Right. Because she didn't Speaker 6 (10:33) marry Speaker 7 (10:33) the dentist. But Speaker 4 (10:34) Monica and Ross come from money too. They all grew up in the same like rich town. Well, Speaker 5 (10:37) Monica and Ross Speaker 4 (10:37) are coded, Speaker 7 (10:38) they're coded as like suburban. Sure. Like, you know, like they're fine or whatever. But, but it's sort of just like, it's saying like, you know, like Ross, I think it might be right. I can't. But it's like, Speaker 6 (10:47) yeah, Ross, these guys have white collar jobs. They Speaker 7 (10:49) make money. And like Joey, he's a struggling actor. Phoebe, Lord knows how she's bringing the rent together. She does Smelly Cat. Like what is Phoebe's job, right? You know, and the crucial thing is that the rich ones get to go to a Hootie and the Blowfish concert. Speaker 6 (11:05) And it's like one of those things where it's like no grander experience than seeing Hootie and his Blowfish. Speaker 7 (11:12) David, Speaker 5 (11:13) I think I found the right piece of Hootie merch for you. I just texted it to you. long to me. I think you would rock the shit out of this. And Ben, as someone into fashion, I want your advice. Okay. I just think. Oh, boy. Yeah, Speaker 4 (11:24) I Speaker 5 (11:24) can't see it. I'm going to show it to you. All right. It is a charcoal-colored bucket hat. On one side, it says, The Group Therapy Tour. Okay. And on the other side, there's this kind of tie-dye logo. Oh, it's Speaker 1 (11:37) a Speaker 5 (11:37) little American Speaker 6 (11:38) flag. Cutie and the Blowfish. I cannot see Sims wearing this. Sims would rock the shit Speaker 4 (11:43) out of this. Speaker 6 (11:43) I'm not a huge Speaker 7 (11:43) bucket hat guy. Yeah. I'm not usually to be found. They're back. You Speaker 5 (11:48) didn't hear they're back? Speaker 4 (11:49) They're Speaker 7 (11:49) always, you know, threatening. Wait a Speaker 5 (11:51) second, David, you said you're not a huge Bucket Hat guy? But did you know that this one has an adjustable drawstring attached and the sizes run small? Thank God. Speaker 7 (12:01) Just in case I needed to especially hug the old noggin. Yes. I can't imagine a Speaker 4 (12:07) hat with a drawstring. You could get a going Speaker 5 (12:09) home candle. Is your shirt like this? Speaker 4 (12:14) No, that's not great for an audio medium. I'm Speaker 7 (12:18) just trying to see what vintage era or is it like, does it look like this? Like, you know, the crack for your view? Nope, Speaker 4 (12:25) it's Speaker 7 (12:25) not even that one. Okay. Speaker 4 (12:26) All right. Speaker 7 (12:27) We're hunting. This one is a hundred bucks on eBay. Because it's a tour shirt from like 95. Like, you know, it's like, how many people though? Yeah, right. The one I found Speaker 4 (12:37) at my parents' house was from 99, a very underappreciated tour. And I was like, should I just sell this thing and send my kids to college? But it's not worth quite that much. I've been thinking on to it. Speaker 5 (12:45) Remember all that concern that when the year 2000 hit, Hootie and the Blowfish were going to go to that back down to zero, that they were going to crash. We thought we were going to lose them. Speaker 4 (12:55) Yeah, that's why I saw them on tour in 1999, obviously. Speaker 7 (12:59) Y2H. Man, people tuned in. They hit play on their little podcatcher going, oh, Alice doesn't live here anymore with Katie Rich on Blank Check. We love it. Definitely a 10-minute hootie run kicking this one off, right? People are disappointed only because they Speaker 5 (13:15) were certain it was going to open with 10 minutes of Becker. Oh, no. Becker's done. What were you going to say? Speaker 4 (13:21) I like to think I bring less chaos to this podcast than your average guest. I think so. You bring less chaos. But then I just started Speaker 7 (13:27) with the hoody thing, so I'm sorry. You invite a lot of tangents because you and I and you and Griffin. We have plenty to Speaker 4 (13:32) talk about. Speaker 7 (13:32) And we have kind of shared brain waves about kind of like. Reference points. Right. The sort of entertainment weekly era of being a teen who loves movies and all. I don't know. I just feel like we got a lot of. roads we can go down. Well, get Speaker 4 (13:47) ready. Let's go down some roads. And you Speaker 7 (13:48) know, Hootie sang about those roads in his song, I Wish I Could Remember. I was like, if only I could make a lot of detailed Hootie and the Blowfish references, Speaker 4 (13:56) which Speaker 7 (13:56) I don't know that I can. Speaker 4 (13:57) I texted you the shirt that I have. All right, here we go. So you can now see it. It is the exact shirt. I did buy this one off eBay. I now have two Hootie shirts. And this is the one that I got at the tour in 1995. Speaker 7 (14:08) God bless. Wait, so you bought... You bought a shirt on who? Oh, yeah. Speaker 4 (14:11) Last summer. Around my birthday, I was like, you know what I'm giving myself? Is a Hootie and a Blowfish shirt for my Speaker 7 (14:15) birthday. Speaker 4 (14:15) This is why we're Speaker 7 (14:16) pals. Speaker 4 (14:16) Oh, this shirt is pretty fresh. It's green and blue. And hang on, Griffin, I got to text it to you, too. Please, I got to see this. Hit the old Speaker 7 (14:24) drop-down menu on this and hit and buy Speaker 4 (14:26) it now. Yes. All right, I'm texting it to Ben also. So now everyone loves it when we text each other on the microphone. Speaker 7 (14:34) There you go. There you go. How you punish me. I remember that one. David, you have the voice of an ant. I've got the voice of a hootie. Oh, my God. I'm a terrible singer. I'm a bad singer. Not based Speaker 4 (14:45) on that. Well, Speaker 7 (14:46) I'll leave it there then. I'll stand on a high. What was that? Running from an angel. What was the only one to be with Speaker 2 (14:54) you? Speaker 7 (14:54) That was the one that people were basically like, this band needs to be legally like disbarred from music. The Miami Speaker 4 (15:00) Dolphins were in that music video. Speaker 7 (15:02) Because it was just like fucking, you know, MTV played it like 4 billion times a day. MTV was like, wait, there's a rootsy rock band with a black guy. Like this checks all her boxes, fucking blanket the airwaves. Like we got to get this guy everywhere. Speaker 5 (15:18) Maybe we cut that out. Speaker 4 (15:20) I should have worn it. It's a good shirt. I just bought Speaker 7 (15:21) it. Speaker 4 (15:22) All right. It's going to be, we link it in the show notes so everybody can go. We're going to write out all the eBay stores of these hoodie shirts. Great. Speaker 5 (15:28) Time. It's very funny. The Alice doesn't live here anymore or the Alice sitcom Wikipedia. has a section of differences between the film and television series. And it's like a various. Harvey Speaker 4 (15:44) Keitel not included. That's the thing. It's all stuff like Alice's maiden name was Graham. Speaker 5 (15:50) Alice's maiden name was Spivak. And you're like, film, sad. Sitcom, doesn't touch dark stuff. Like, that's what they're not saying. They're into like very granular details. Speaker 4 (16:03) Did you go through the guest stars of Speaker 5 (16:05) who was on this? This is one of those sitcoms. It was a hot show. Jay Leno was Speaker 4 (16:10) on it? Speaker 5 (16:10) Celebrities would appear. Here's something. Celebrities would appear as themselves. Joel Grey as themselves. As like customers. George Burns goes Speaker 7 (16:17) like, Speaker 1 (16:17) how much for a tuna meal? Speaker 7 (16:21) Joel Grey. It is set in Arizona. Like it's still like, it's not like they're like, let's move to a diner in Hollywood or whatever. But people are just passing on through, I guess. It's a funny thing because like it was a hit show, but you can tell. by its kind of lack of Emmy noms, that it was never taken very seriously. Like, Lavin got a grand total of one nom. And she's a legend. She's a legend. Recently passed. Yeah, recently passed. Of course, she's Seth Cohen's grandma on the OC. And that was her only ever Emmy nom, which is rude. Speaker 4 (16:54) Rude Speaker 7 (16:54) to Lavin. She Speaker 4 (16:55) and Chris Christopherson both passed in 2024. Pretty close to killing them. Speaker 5 (17:00) David, I'm sorry. I told you not to do that. Speaker 7 (17:03) Just for the record. They asked. It was kind of like a weird kind of like. I know, but I said, why you? That's what I said. You just don't need to meddle in their business. So Chris Christopherson died at the grand old age of 86. And I feel like Linda Laveau also lived a very long time. She, Linda Speaker 5 (17:19) Lavin, was 87. Speaker 7 (17:21) At Speaker 5 (17:22) the time we're recording this, Ellen Burstyn, 93, still working. I will say about Lavin, like, I don't look at Ellen Burstyn and go like, Speaker 7 (17:30) Alina Lavins, the TV version. Very different. It's Speaker 5 (17:31) a Speaker 7 (17:31) totally different type of character. There's Speaker 5 (17:33) also a crazy thing is that Ellen Burstyn later does a sitcom in the 80s. The Ellen Burstyn show. Was Speaker 7 (17:38) it good? Speaker 5 (17:39) But that was Speaker 7 (17:39) a Speaker 5 (17:39) fucking riot. I think it was just like a family sitcom. But that's another person where I don't go like, obviously, let's get her on a multicam. Speaker 7 (17:46) You know, I think it was one of those things where it's like, if you're someone like Ellen Burstyn, where it's like, you are a tremendous actress, you're an Oscar winner, and you've been in huge movies like The Exorcist. you're never going to be treated like a movie star by Hollywood because it's a sexist industry and you're a little older and you're more of like a great actor than you are. And Speaker 5 (18:02) I Speaker 7 (18:02) think she always preferred theater Speaker 5 (18:03) and loved teaching and maybe just wanted the consistent. And Speaker 7 (18:06) then like the call just comes along like, hey, do you want the consistent work and paycheck of one of these network shows? Right? She only did it. It only aired. 13 episodes. Speaker 5 (18:14) Megan Mullally was her daughter. Elaine Stritch was Speaker 7 (18:17) also on it. I think Elaine Stritch played her mom. Or no, played her mom. Played her mom. Seven year age Speaker 5 (18:23) difference. Speaker 7 (18:24) Yes. Speaker 4 (18:25) Her 80s are a lot of movies I've never heard of. Just going through her credits. It's interesting because Speaker 7 (18:29) like Ellen Burstyn is a Hall of Famer, right? She's a legend. There's no question. I think she's one of the best screen actors. I mean, she's mostly a legend because she told you to shut the fuck up Speaker 5 (18:37) that one time. That's not what she said. And you know, that's not what she said. She said, try silent. Correct. And you got to give credit. It's actually way Speaker 4 (18:42) better than her telling him to shut the fuck up. That's why it Speaker 5 (18:44) needs to be correct. Nothing better. I Speaker 7 (18:46) think she's one Speaker 5 (18:47) of Speaker 7 (18:47) the greatest actors of all time. She no doubt has, as Katie's saying, when you look at her filmography, like just a bunch of stuff where you're like, what on earth is that? What's Speaker 4 (18:55) what happens to women who are the stars of their movies? What are you going to do with them? But Speaker 5 (18:59) then also two additional Oscar nominations in the 80s. Like we're saying like, well, that's a weird decade for her. So what were her? Dying Young? Did she get a young? Resurrection in 1980. That's Speaker 7 (19:09) 80. Speaker 5 (19:09) Yeah. And then I guess same time next year is 78. Did Speaker 7 (19:14) she Speaker 5 (19:14) get nominated for that? Speaker 7 (19:15) Yes, she did. She got a bunch of Oscar noms and she won one. Well, she's Speaker 4 (19:22) in Twice in a Lifetime, the movie that Amy Madigan got her nomination for, which I had never heard of until this Amy Madigan run. Speaker 7 (19:28) But I remember when she got her, you know, nomination for Requiem for a Dream, it was that classic Oscar thing of like them being like, and we're... have you been? And she's like, I've been here. You're so good in the movie where you played a crazy drug addict. And she's like, okay, well, you Speaker 5 (19:43) know, Speaker 7 (19:43) I've Speaker 5 (19:43) been in other Speaker 7 (19:43) stuff too. I do think Speaker 5 (19:45) that led to a then kind of elder statesman. She's now a legendary, immediate, Speaker 7 (19:50) instant gravitas. Great actor. We stan. And, you know, today we discuss on a podcast that Griffin's about to introduce, the Speaker 5 (20:00) film that won her an Oscar. Yes, Speaker 7 (20:01) which unfortunately, Speaker 5 (20:02) in my opinion, steals the Oscar for what might be the greatest screen performance of all time. Oh, well, then we can... Oh, is it a Gina Rollins? A woman under the influence is this year. Yeah, I mean, obviously, Speaker 7 (20:14) that's a fucking great performance. That Ellen Burstyn wins and Speaker 5 (20:17) Martin Scorsese goes up to Cassavetes and Rollins at the Oscars, like, near crying. And he's like, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Speaker 4 (20:25) I didn't mean to make Speaker 5 (20:25) this fucking thing. Because this one also feels really Cassavetes-inspired. Speaker 4 (20:29) Sure. I mean, it's Marty. We'll talk about it. It's in the Speaker 5 (20:32) research, Speaker 7 (20:33) I'm sure. Speaker 5 (20:33) Yeah. Speaker 4 (20:33) Well, and like, this is also among the great actress performances. Like, I think she's incredible. It's phenomenal. Speaker 5 (20:40) She's amazing. I would have given her the Oscar for one of the two previous nominations. For like The Exorcist. But this is a fascinating ripple effect. Speaker 7 (20:47) I Speaker 5 (20:47) think she's amazing in Last Picture Show. I obviously love the Cloris Leachman win, but if I Speaker 7 (20:52) had a ballot for 72, I would pick Burstyn. Well, let me now look. While I pull up some Oscar pages so we can relitigate this for a second. Speaker 5 (21:01) This is Blank Check Speaker 7 (21:01) with Griffin and David. I am Griffin. I'm David. Speaker 5 (21:03) We're about to relitigate some Oscars, but not as much as we will in next week's episode. This is a podcast about filmographies, directors who have massive success early on in their careers and are given a series of blank checks to make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce baby. Sometimes they do a gig for hire to prove that they can do. They're versatile. A lack of limitations. And it ends up being a bit of a guarantor because it wins a beloved actor. Speaker 4 (21:30) It Speaker 5 (21:30) makes some money. It makes some money. It makes a TV Speaker 4 (21:32) show. And Speaker 5 (21:33) launches a second one. It becomes Speaker 4 (21:35) a multimedia Speaker 5 (21:35) franchise. Speaker 4 (21:35) Does Scorsese make money from Alice? No, Speaker 5 (21:37) no, no. Okay, wow. Successful. You can tell who has good teams by who gets baked into deals like that. Because there are people who just cash checks forever. I mean, this is the MASH story that I love. is that Robert Altman had no stake in MASH. He had no upside from the film's box office success because they didn't want to hire him, that he took DGA minimum and waived any participation. It also meant he waived any participation in ancillary things that would go on later. His son, who was kind of a burnout, and he wanted his kids to work on the movie, he was like, can you write a song for the dentist? His son writes Suicide is Painless, gets paid. every time any episode of MASH airs anywhere in the world. And he like- That is Speaker 4 (22:24) good. Speaker 5 (22:25) Hated his son for that. Speaker 4 (22:26) Oh, okay. That's less good. I Speaker 5 (22:28) thought he'd be proud of him. I don't think so. Okay. I don't think so. What's our- This is a miniseries on the films of Martin Scorsese. It is called Podcast Fellas. That's right. Wow. This is Speaker 1 (22:40) my first Speaker 5 (22:40) time hearing this. I looked to you. I wanted to see your response. You accepted Speaker 1 (22:44) it. Speaker 5 (22:44) Such a Speaker 4 (22:44) short list of options you had, too. Like, there's not a lot of titles. The pod list doesn't cast Speaker 5 (22:49) here anymore. Speaker 6 (22:50) That's what we should have Speaker 5 (22:51) called it. The pod that knocking at my cast. The pod of castness? Yeah, that one's tough. Speaker 4 (22:58) I'm not saying it was my best one. The Speaker 5 (22:59) pod of Speaker 4 (22:59) cast. Speaker 5 (23:01) The Speaker 4 (23:01) pod of cast street. Speaker 5 (23:02) There is a C in there. Yeah, yeah. Pods of new cast. But no, it's called Podcast Fellas because that's what we are. We're a couple of podcast fellas. And today... And sometimes girls. We have a pod lady with us joining us. As we love to say, kind of the first blank check guest ever. Speaker 4 (23:20) It's very important. Speaker 5 (23:21) Yes, very important. Helps codify the box office game. That's right. Yeah. And also importantly, mother of still record holder. youngest guest ever on the show. Almost. Baby Charlie. Speaker 4 (23:33) Yeah. Are the listeners ready for the age of that baby from the Titanic episode? Because it's important to talking about this movie too. Charlie's decade of dreams. Charlie's about to turn 10. He's about Speaker 5 (23:42) to turn 10. Speaker 4 (23:42) As when this episode is out, I assume he will have already turned 10 because it's very soon. When he was on pod, he Speaker 5 (23:46) was baby. He Speaker 4 (23:47) was. Three months old? Speaker 7 (23:48) Now he's Speaker 5 (23:49) a Speaker 7 (23:49) little man. It's so crazy that you brought a three-month-old baby to a play. It's completely crazy. It's really evidence Speaker 4 (23:54) that Speaker 7 (23:55) none of us knew anything about Speaker 4 (23:57) babies is the fact that I did that. Speaker 7 (23:58) Katie, to remind you, because we were trying to remember this on the subject, your last episode with us was Intolerable. Yes. When I stepped Speaker 4 (24:04) back in the studio, I was like, oh, yes, now I remember us talking about George Clooney. Because we were like, oh, I remember Prince of Speaker 7 (24:07) Tides. And I was like, no, but you've done something since then. I couldn't remember. Yes. Okay. This is also your 10th Speaker 6 (24:13) episode. Speaker 4 (24:14) No! Really? Wait a second. My decade of dreams. Charlie's decade of dreams. Are we Speaker 5 (24:20) counting Titanic as two or one? Counting Speaker 7 (24:22) them Speaker 5 (24:22) as one. Right. It is a real pen. Speaker 4 (24:25) It's the Speaker 7 (24:26) Kill Bill question. Yeah. Speaker 4 (24:28) Wow. Yeah. Speaker 7 (24:29) This is your true 10th episode because Titanic doesn't really count. So congratulations. Now let's relitigate these Oscars. All right. So her first nomination, as you pointed out, was for The Last Picture Show. She lost to her co-star, Cloris Leachman. Now they're both great on the movie. Speaker 5 (24:44) They are. I just think Person's my favorite performance in that film, Speaker 7 (24:47) period. Speaker 4 (24:48) But that was like, she was like brand new. I guess they were all brand new back then. The Speaker 7 (24:52) other, I would say, big nominee there is Anne Margaret in Carnal Knowledge, which is a great performance. I'll just say it. Anne Margaret, kind of a looker. You've also got Barbara Harris in Who is Harry Kellerman and Why Is He Saying Those Terrible Things About Me, an Ulu Grossbard film I've never seen, but obviously has an iconic title. Incredible Speaker 5 (25:11) title. Speaker 7 (25:12) And then Margaret Layton in The Go-Between, which is a masterpiece and she's very good, but like, you know. I would say with them, with there, it's kind of like, right, pick. And like with Clarice, it's just kind of like, that's her Oscar, man. Like she doesn't, you know, she doesn't have too many more swings at the movie award app, you know, whatever. Okay, so then. She loses for The Exorcist to Glenda Jackson for A Touch of Class. Now, we respect Glenda Jackson. I've never seen that film. I love her, you know, for Women in Love is an amazing movie. She had Speaker 4 (25:44) won three years previously. She Speaker 7 (25:46) had. It's a surprising, I think, four. But, you know, like surprising second win for her. And I think the reason she won was it was a bit of a weird year. Like, it's Ellen Burstyn in The Exorcist, who's amazing in The Exorcist. Is a mild stretch as a lead? Speaker 4 (26:01) Yeah, I would agree. She Speaker 7 (26:02) sort of counts, but she's not really in the back half of the movie, obviously. And she's Speaker 4 (26:06) not the thing you come out of The Exorcist. She's not. But she's Speaker 7 (26:09) good. Speaker 4 (26:09) It's Speaker 7 (26:09) a powerhouse performance. Speaker 4 (26:11) Yeah. And she broke Speaker 5 (26:12) her damn tailbone. It's a little like Michael B. Jordan's Sinners minus the skill piece of the twins thing, right? I guess so. There is such a centering force in this film, which was also the Speaker 7 (26:22) highest grossing film of its Speaker 5 (26:23) year. It was a Speaker 7 (26:23) hit and she's great in it. Yeah. And then you got... Wait, wait, is the devil the lead? I would say Linda Blair is the Speaker 4 (26:30) lead. Linda Blair and supporting in that classic kid thing. Speaker 7 (26:34) She's the one, like, the movie's happening to her. Everyone else is a little bit in and out. I think Speaker 5 (26:40) Burson's the lead. Speaker 7 (26:41) I accept this. Speaker 5 (26:41) I Speaker 7 (26:41) think it's fine. I accept it okay, but I think it might have hurt her for a win. Yeah, Speaker 6 (26:45) possibly. And Speaker 7 (26:46) then you got Marsha Mason, the great Marsha Mason, in Cinderella Liberty, the James Caan movie, Mark Rydell movie. I've never seen it. We got Barbra Streisand in The Way We Were. We stan. Yeah, yeah. Great performance. We Speaker 5 (26:56) stan. Speaker 7 (26:56) Yeah. Sure. I think that movie is a little silly. It's Speaker 5 (27:00) silly, but I think that's an excellent movie star performance. Yes, I Speaker 6 (27:02) agree. Speaker 7 (27:02) And then you've got Joanne Woodward in Summer Wishes, Winter Dreams. I've never seen that one. Not a movie I've seen. Yeah. Speaker 4 (27:07) No, this is a lot. That's one where you're like, maybe we could Speaker 5 (27:10) sneak it over to Ellen. It is astounding to go through these and realize how rarely the best actress nominees were from Best Picture. Oh, yeah. It was a ghetto. The Speaker 7 (27:20) 1950s. Speaker 4 (27:21) Yeah. It's Speaker 7 (27:21) a little better now with the 10 noms. Yes. You know, or whatever. But I bet you even now, if we didn't have the 10 noms, it would remain a bit of a ghetto. Oh, definitely. Speaker 5 (27:28) There are so many Speaker 7 (27:29) movies that Speaker 5 (27:30) do not exist outside of one lead actress nomination for a movie star. Speaker 4 (27:35) Is The Exorcist getting the horror? snobbery with this too. Because the Exorcist is obviously a big breakthrough. And Speaker 7 (27:42) it did win two Oscars. Yeah. But it was, yeah, it was, the noms were the reward a little bit of kind of like, well, you know, it won screenplay. Best Speaker 5 (27:51) vomit Speaker 7 (27:51) and best pee Speaker 2 (27:52) pee? Speaker 7 (27:53) No, there's actually not a ton of pee pee in the Exorcist song. I didn't say most pee pee. I said best pee pee. I thought the Speaker 5 (27:59) category was just best goo. I mean, it's... Oh, yeah. Well, no, see, it was like the best score musical comedy drama thing. Most years, it's best goo. This is one of those years where they split it into best vomit and best pee pee. There's Speaker 4 (28:13) just Speaker 5 (28:13) too much to choose Speaker 4 (28:13) from. And then Speaker 5 (28:14) Exorcist winning both made them think, maybe let's make it one category again. Speaker 7 (28:17) It won best adapted screenplay and best sound. And you're like, how did it lose? It was a hit, but it lost to The Sting, which was just also a phenomenon. Oh, Speaker 5 (28:26) so right. Speaker 7 (28:27) They were two of the 10 highest Speaker 5 (28:29) grossing movies Speaker 7 (28:30) ever. Yeah, they were just both movies that had played for a billion years. I mean, it's an insane five. It's The Sting, The Exorcist, and American Graffiti. So three just like critically acclaimed powerhouse blockbuster out of nowhere movies and out of nowhere in different ways. Three of the most profitable movies of all time. Speaker 5 (28:51) People are going to like this. People are going to love it. Speaker 7 (28:55) Exorcist, obviously. And then the other two nominees are A Touch of Class, which they really went for the kind of like British comedy back then. They loved to sneak those in. And Speaker 6 (29:03) then Ingmar Bergman's Cries and Whispers. They loved Speaker 5 (29:07) Bergman. They gave him proper respect. Well, he Speaker 7 (29:09) was at his... Right, they loved him in the final phases of his career. They would roll out the carpet for him. And I assume he would not attend. I don't actually Speaker 5 (29:17) know, but... I have a feeling he didn't really show up to a lot of those ceremonies. Or he was a party animal. Speaker 7 (29:22) Yeah, maybe he was there being like, I love this show being hosted by Burt Reynolds, Diana Ross, John Huston, and David Niven. Is that the one where there's the streaker and Niven goes like, he's got a tiny dick? Speaker 4 (29:33) That's the dream team. Those four people. We always want to see them together. Speaker 7 (29:36) The big four. It's just like, whenever I see Diana Ross, I'm like, where's John Huston? Her counterpart. You look naked without David Niven by your side. Speaker 5 (29:46) That is so funny Speaker 4 (29:47) that it's like... Oh, no, this is the year before Chinatown. So we're not in John Huston and that mode. Speaker 7 (29:52) Correct. Chinatown is the year Speaker 4 (29:54) after. Speaker 5 (29:55) So you're like director first and foremost, menacing character actor secondly, right? But before his most notable film role. But he has played the greatest ape. MC. Yes, third MC. Then like the biggest pop star. Speaker 5 (30:10) And a feet British man. And then who's the fourth again? Burr Reynolds. Burr Reynolds. You know, he's just like, hi, I'm from Hollywood. Just the dude's leading man. You've heard of Speaker 7 (30:19) me. Chewing gum on stage, presumably. If you think about a world where Ellen Burstyn never wins an Oscar. Then you're like, okay, well, then maybe did she win for Requiem? Does she win for Requiem as a makeup? But it's the swankier, right? No, it's the Julia Roberts here. And that was just a tough train to stop. Nor should it. No, you Speaker 4 (30:39) don't take that away. I Speaker 7 (30:40) agree. Would you both Speaker 5 (30:42) agree with the idea that she probably came in second? Ellen Burstyn? I remember that being a bit of a thing because Ellen Burstyn hadn't accepted her own award of wouldn't it be nice for her to give a speech that Speaker 4 (30:56) year. Speaker 5 (30:57) Although I will say whenever Speaker 7 (30:58) anyone trots out that argument, I'm like, we're splitting hairs. She won, but she didn't say a thing. She didn't get to give a speech. I'm like, okay. I mean. Laura Linney was the critic fave that year, but I could see the argument for Ellen Burstyn was me. Speaker 5 (31:12) I still feel Speaker 4 (31:12) like back then, critic faves didn't get you as far at the Oscars Speaker 5 (31:14) as it does now. Speaker 4 (31:14) Totally. That was a Speaker 7 (31:15) real nomination is the win. Of Speaker 5 (31:17) course it was. Speaker 4 (31:17) Enjoy Speaker 7 (31:18) your Saturday Speaker 5 (31:19) at Speaker 4 (31:19) the Speaker 7 (31:19) Spirit Speaker 5 (31:19) Tent. Speaker 7 (31:20) I can tell you that Best Actress, Musical, or Comedy that year was the not Oscar-nominated Renée Zellweger for Nurse Betty. Oh, yeah. But there's the only overlap. there was Juliette Binoche was nominated for Chocolat. Yeah, Speaker 4 (31:35) are we underestimating the Chocolat train? This movie is so funny! They had Chocolat fever back then. The chocolate makes them Speaker 5 (31:42) horny! I did watch Chocolat for the first time, like, in the last five years, and it does kind of fucking roll. It's Speaker 4 (31:47) still Speaker 5 (31:47) terrible. Speaker 4 (31:48) One Speaker 5 (31:49) of those things where if you remove any, like, what did it get, what did it steal nominations from, and you just watch it as its own thing, it is delightful. I mean, it's I think I made this joke possibly, but Alfred Molina plays Snidely Whiplash even more than the time he literally played Snidely Whiplash. Speaker 7 (32:06) I Speaker 5 (32:06) made Speaker 6 (32:06) that Speaker 5 (32:07) joke, but it's it's very true. He shows up with a mustache and Speaker 7 (32:10) he's like, where's all this chocolate? Because he's Lithgow in Flashdance, right? I mean, Footloose. Like Lithgow's like the town has to ban dancing. Molina's just like, Speaker 5 (32:18) no chocolate! Speaker 7 (32:20) I ban it from these walls! Speaker 5 (32:22) So thin and so long. It's making women talk back to their husbands! such a sniveling little fuck with a cape. It's amazing. Oh Speaker 4 (32:30) my God, he has a cape. Yeah. Speaker 2 (32:42) The Speaker 1 (32:43) city moves fast, but your vibe, that's different. Sharper, smoother, more alive. Speaker 3 (32:54) The new Speaker 1 (32:58) Honda City isn't just made to drive, it's made to feel. The new Honda City, all new vibe. Speaker 7 (33:11) Alice doesn't live here anymore. Yes. Is Speaker 4 (33:14) that the movie you're here to talk about? Speaker 7 (33:15) Are you trying to tell me something about where Alice is? Alice doesn't live here anymore is at 1974. American romantic comedy drama film, according to Wikipedia. I guess that's what I'd call it. I would call it a drama. I call drama a character study. A light or, you know, quiet drama. Directed by Martin Scorsese. Written by... Robert Getchell, who has quite a career. I want to do a little sidebar Speaker 5 (33:40) on him. Speaker 7 (33:40) Goes on to write Speaker 5 (33:41) Bound for Glory and, you know. Well, that makes sense. You're like, oh. Yeah, Speaker 7 (33:45) writes a very, very grounded, although he's one of four, I will say, credited screenwriters on Mommy Dearest. So Speaker 6 (33:51) I Speaker 7 (33:51) guess that's not all on him. Then he made the Patsy Cline biopic Sweet Dreams with Jessica Lange. He wrote that. Speaker 5 (34:00) He Speaker 7 (34:00) wrote a Bette Midler movie called Stella. I don't really know that. That's Speaker 5 (34:03) a Speaker 7 (34:03) Stella Speaker 5 (34:03) Dallas remake. Oh, fuck. It is. Wow. This is like genuinely a fascinating career. He got points on the Alice sitcom for creating the character. You got it. Yeah. If Speaker 7 (34:13) you're the writer, you're going to get points. Speaker 5 (34:14) But then he did. Speaker 4 (34:15) Okay. But come on. He Speaker 5 (34:16) writes Point of No Return. The La Femme Nikita remake. Right. Speaker 7 (34:19) Yeah. And then he does Speaker 5 (34:20) This Boy's Life and The Client. Speaker 4 (34:22) Yeah. Speaker 7 (34:22) Yeah. Speaker 4 (34:23) He was, Speaker 7 (34:23) you Speaker 5 (34:23) know, he Speaker 7 (34:25) was a work guy. Of course. Speaker 5 (34:26) We call him a work guy. He's Speaker 7 (34:28) a work guy. Yes. The film, yeah, was a 1974 Christmas release that got good reviews, made money, won an Oscar, was a solid notch in Scorsese's career. I feel is often obviously under-discussed. It's very recently getting Speaker 5 (34:44) a Criterion disc. I believe Marie has gotten her hands on it today and is delivering it to the office tomorrow. One day late for me to have watched this splashy Criterion disc. Not Marie's fault. We're in fact getting it early. Yeah. But was hoping it would time out better. But yes, it has only been on DVD for the last 15, 20 years. I rented it on Speaker 7 (35:05) the old iTunes. Speaker 5 (35:06) It looked all right. The tunes for the eyes. It looked Speaker 7 (35:09) all Speaker 5 (35:09) right. Speaker 7 (35:09) Yes. And it's a film we should discuss. And with Speaker 5 (35:12) us is, have we introduced Katie Rich? Yeah. Katie Speaker 7 (35:14) Rich, who I think of you as a fairly, like you discovered this movie back when you did the Scorsese screen dress. Yeah. I Speaker 4 (35:22) didn't want to come on here and promote someone else's podcast. But no, I did screen dress with the Scorsese group ranking. So I was in charge of the middle 10. Speaker 7 (35:30) Yeah. It seemed like quite a stressful approach. It's a very chill podcast. Nothing Speaker 5 (35:33) stressful has ever Speaker 4 (35:34) happened on this Speaker 5 (35:35) show. Speaker 4 (35:35) Not a lot of work. This one was especially chaotic. Emily St. James, a friend of mine, of us and of the show was on the, the 30 to 21 group. Didn't she Speaker 7 (35:43) fuck everything up by drafting something last or whatever? It was a group Speaker 4 (35:46) effort of fucking everything up, but just like chaos rained on that. Like they didn't want to deal with the Dylan docs. So they left us with like no direction home, Bob Dylan in the middle of 10. We were like, I don't want to get more like. out Speaker 5 (35:58) of here. They Speaker 4 (35:59) left us with Who's That Knocking at My Door, which I don't know if you guys have done that episode already. It's Speaker 5 (36:03) already Speaker 4 (36:03) aired by now. It's a perfectly fine movie. It belongs in the bottom 10. I would put it down. But Speaker 7 (36:08) that's what I don't understand about this approach of like they get to choose. It's making a group project. Speaker 4 (36:14) It leans into the chaos. Now Speaker 7 (36:16) I'm looking. And how this ranking worked out. Well, there's just, oh, there's like vetoes. Oh, the Patreon members got Speaker 4 (36:24) to veto things? Yeah, I don't think that affected what we did. Someone was trying Speaker 7 (36:27) to- Speaker 4 (36:27) You had the Speaker 7 (36:27) Irishman 29th? Speaker 4 (36:29) I did, that wasn't me! Blame Emily. Speaker 5 (36:31) They did. Bring this up Speaker 4 (36:33) with your friend, Emily Speaker 5 (36:34) St. Speaker 4 (36:35) James, Speaker 5 (36:35) not me. Speaker 2 (36:35) What Speaker 5 (36:35) was Dead Last and what was number one? Dead Speaker 7 (36:37) Last was Shine a Light, which like, sure. Speaker 5 (36:39) But it looks Speaker 4 (36:39) like someone tried to put... Fine. Speaker 7 (36:42) I mean, but again, it sort of doesn't count. Like, I mean, what are our parameters here? It's maybe not even Speaker 4 (36:46) 30, I think they bring Shine a Light and a Rolling Thunder review, which I don't think was a theatrical thing. That was a Netflix thing, which is actually kind of fun. As a Speaker 7 (36:54) lover of rules, it's stressing Speaker 4 (36:55) me Speaker 7 (36:55) out. Speaker 4 (36:55) He's smiling and Speaker 7 (36:56) throwing Speaker 5 (36:56) his Speaker 7 (36:57) thumbs up. But no, it looks like someone tried to put The Departed. last? Speaker 4 (37:00) Yes, that was their real chaos. It was trolling. I think we wound up putting The Departed in our middle 10, which I Speaker 5 (37:06) would Speaker 4 (37:06) put it in my top 10, honestly. Speaker 5 (37:08) You're wondering why someone tried to put The Departed last. You must have missed that Frank Costello was a guest on that episode. I smell a rat on this podcast. Speaker 4 (37:17) I think they did Age of Innocence as number one. I wasn't on that one either. We were in the 20 to 11. They Speaker 5 (37:23) do have it number Speaker 4 (37:23) one, Speaker 7 (37:23) and they have Goodfellas 2, Taxi Driver 3. I mean, like, Age of Innocence is number one. It's a little too chaotic, guys. This is a little much. Speaker 4 (37:31) I'm... I tried to make it less chaotic. But it looks like Speaker 7 (37:34) their veto system really messes with stuff because then it's like stuff will get bumped up. Speaker 4 (37:38) There's a lot of rules, a lot of like I we want to put in Wolf of Wall Street in our middle 10 because our pal Joe Reed is not a fan of it. And I didn't have the ability to veto it. I would