Season 6… Is This Even Dance Moms Anymore? | Back To The Barre

Back to the Barre

Hosts Christi and Kelly recap the premiere of Dance Moms Season 6, noting the significant shift in cast and setting from Pittsburgh to Los A

Key takeaways

• Maddie Ziegler is absent from the season because she is filming 'The Book of Henry'.
• Abby Lee Miller claims a return to 'the beginning' focusing on technique and training.
• The hosts reveal behind-the-scenes 'field notes' that contradict televised edits.
• A major conflict occurs between Jill and Abby regarding Kendall's opportunities and loyalty.
• JoJo is featured in a group dance involving a large plastic bubble prop.

Main topics

• Dance Moms Season 6 Premiere
• Abby Lee Miller's management style
• Maddie Ziegler's acting career

Notable quotes

Everyone's replaceable, ladies.

Conclusion

The episode provides a nostalgic yet critical look at the changing lan

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) Baby, let's just dance, dance Let's just dance, baby Speaker 2 (0:03) I just wanna dance, dance, dance, dance Can you feel it? Speaker 2 (0:22) Hello, little bitchettes. Welcome back to the bar. This is bitch number one, Kristy. And Speaker 1 (0:27) bitch number two, Kelly. Speaker 2 (0:29) Um, hello, everyone. Uh, we're going back on tour. We're going back on tour. I was just trying to see when this episode airs, if we will have gone to... Uh, when is this airing? Let me look. Let me look. Speaker 2 (0:46) Oh, it's before Connecticut and New York. So come see us in Connecticut, New York, you guys. Yay. Yes, it's fun. We're excited. We haven't done Connecticut yet. No. Speaker 2 (1:02) And New York sold out very quickly. So now, I mean, this one's selling as well. They're pretty, pretty, I think there's, I think we have a, well, by the time this airs, we'll probably be down to like the last of it in New York. But New York's always a great audience. So we're excited to see you. And if you would like to do the question and answer and take the pictures, make sure that you upgrade to a VIP. Speaker 1 (1:31) Yes, because they're different. Tickets are different, being sold differently this time. Yeah. Yeah. So if you want to... Buy your ticket to the show and then buy your upgrade to do the pictures separately. Speaker 2 (1:44) Well, yeah. And now, remember, we have the call that we restructured that they get to do the question and answer too if they're VIP. So that's my favorite part. Yeah. Because that's the only time you get to ask us questions. We don't do questions during the show live because you guys are scary and we can't let you ask questions in a big theater live. We'd be arrested. That's right. And Kelly is, we've already been there and done that in New York. Yeah. So we don't want to do that again. No. So if you want to ask us those burning questions, come to the VIP and then you also get pictures with us. Wait, speaking of pictures, did you find your shoes? No. They Speaker 1 (2:25) weren't in Houston? The place in Houston does not have a phone number. Speaker 2 (2:33) Really? Yeah. Speaker 1 (2:34) There were two of them that did not have phone numbers. But the place they did get a hold of, they didn't find them. You're kidding me. Speaker 2 (2:43) So you didn't ask Houston. You didn't reach out to them. I Speaker 1 (2:46) tried. Okay. I was on their app. And it was different than the place you told me. Speaker 2 (2:52) Well, the only reason. I said that is because you know how like you take a picture on your phone and it marks where it is? That's what it said on my phone where we were. Oh. So I don't know. Your Speaker 1 (3:06) app said something different. So that's where I called. Okay. There was no phone number. Speaker 2 (3:13) Well. Speaker 2 (3:15) If anybody sees a pair of black Louboutins... Yeah. They're Kelly's. I'm Speaker 1 (3:23) so sad. Speaker 2 (3:24) Return them to their rightful owner. Yeah. Oh, Speaker 1 (3:30) well. We'll find them. Speaker 2 (3:32) We'll Speaker 1 (3:32) find them. Speaker 2 (3:33) Speaking of shoes, can I just tell you something very cute and then we'll get into the episode? Okay. Speaker 2 (3:39) remember my teen choice shoes? Yeah. That you were like, put these fucking shoes on your feet, let's go. Clara just sent me her homecoming dress that she wants. And so I was like, oh, it's pretty. You know, I was like, it's gold, that will look really pretty. And then she says, she said to me, I want to wear gold because I've always wanted to wear those shoes to my senior homecoming. Speaker 1 (4:04) And I was like, Speaker 2 (4:05) Clara, those are really cute. And she's like, I've been waiting my whole life to wear those shoes because the story is so funny and I always liked them. She's like, I don't know if I like them now. She's like, I liked them when I was little, but I always said I was going to wear them. And Speaker 1 (4:18) they'll fit her? Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Speaker 2 (4:20) Yeah. Me and both girls pretty much can share shoes across the board, which is kind of a blessing and a curse if you have Speaker 1 (4:27) children whose shoes you can Speaker 2 (4:28) share. Because Speaker 1 (4:29) they steal your shoes? Always. That's what Paige did to me. Yeah. Speaker 2 (4:33) Well, and then Clara has... like, her best friend comes here, and she'll take my shoes too! Oh Speaker 1 (4:40) my goodness. Speaker 2 (4:41) And I'm like, I mean, I don't begrudge her that, because... of her just she just can't do that at her at her house and so i'm like it's fine but sometimes i'm like where are my shoes and claire's like oh they're in blah blah blah's car and i'm like oh my god go get them like get my fucking shoes back from your friend you know so anyway but um so yeah she's wearing those shoes to homecoming yeah i thought that was really sweet um okay so you guys uh the thing the time the place Speaker 1 (5:19) that you've all been waiting for is finally upon us. Speaker 2 (5:22) We have now arrived at season six of Dance Moms. Yay. Which I can tell you with my whole heart, I have never watched one moment of this ever. Other than clips that you see like on TikTok, you know, like... Yeah. I've never, ever seen... I've never seen this. Have you ever seen this? I can't imagine you have. Okay. And... Speaker 2 (5:50) My initial reaction was it doesn't even remotely feel like the same show. No? I don't think so. No, I thought it had. Speaker 2 (6:09) Like, it's so far from that first time you saw us standing in Studio A for Pyramid with the stupid signs behind us, and we went up to Dance Jail to where they are now with their like, blinged out ALDC matching wear with the windows and the hair extensions. It is so wildly different. And I'm like, this is not even close to the same show. Yeah. That's how I felt. Speaker 1 (6:37) And it's just so many different characters. Yes. Do you know what I mean? Like, the whole cast is different. Speaker 2 (6:45) Yes. Yes. I, I, that's what I mean. It feels like a totally different show. And so when people are like, oh, how's, um, I mean, I've met JoJo twice. I've met Brynn. I mean, I know I filmed with Brynn in season seven. I always say I didn't meet Brynn. And everybody has like jumped down my throat. I don't remember because I didn't sit with Ashley, but I've met Ashley. But like, when I think of dance moms, this is not what I'm thinking. Yeah. I barely think of Kira. Speaker 1 (7:18) Yeah. You Speaker 2 (7:19) know? And I was with Kira a whole lot more than... Speaker 2 (7:26) than anybody else. And I still don't think of her that way. So this was a really weird watch for me. Like, I watched it and I was sort of like, yeah, it's weird. Speaker 1 (7:35) And I mean, think about it. Even Candy Apples is different. Yeah. I mean, they have a totally different teacher and different kids. Speaker 1 (7:45) Yeah, it's totally different. Speaker 2 (7:47) It is. I didn't even think about that. You're right. But it's funny because they bring in, you know, old dancers that we know. Like, obviously, we know Ava. Like, I knew Jeanette from the select team. You didn't really film with Jeanette other than just her, like, popping up places. Yeah. Well, you met JoJo. I don't think you remember this, but she was at the Atlanta competition that we did, I think, when we did... free at last, but that's not what it was called on the show. What was it called on the show? I have no idea. Well, Speaker 1 (8:21) but you Speaker 2 (8:22) know what I'm talking about. Speaker 1 (8:23) Yes. Um... Why did we meet her? Speaker 2 (8:28) I think she just competed there. I think she showed up. Because I think they were having auditions for the select team around that time, I want to say. I might be getting things a little bit confused, like timeline. But I do know JoJo at one point was at Atlanta. And the only two times I think I was in Atlanta was when we did that... That fucking... sock dance with the, like, the wrestling outfits and then, like, the church hat with Peyton. Was it All Kids Go? I think it was the name of the dance. It was really stupid. It was terrible. When they all had lice. Speaker 1 (9:09) Oh, yay. Speaker 2 (9:10) Okay, when they all had lice. That time and then when we did Free at Last. I think those are the only two times I was in Atlanta for Dance Moms. I think. So, I would imagine JoJo was there the second time. Speaker 2 (9:23) But yeah. Okay, the other big thing is that we do have field notes for this. I didn't Speaker 1 (9:32) read the field notes. Speaker 2 (9:33) So for this episode, do you want to do the recap or do you want to do the field notes? Speaker 1 (9:42) I'll just do the recap. It's fine. Okay. Speaker 2 (9:45) I didn't read over the... All right. And... Okay. I'm just going to let it start because... People have set some really wild, not wild, I shouldn't say that, people have been really waiting for us to get to this. And everybody's like, oh, you're gonna think blah, blah, blah, blah, blah about this season. Or you're gonna think this. Or this person's gonna act like this. And you're gonna be this. And I have to say, watching the first two episodes... Speaker 2 (10:17) I don't think that I can watch the show as a, just a viewer like everybody else, because I know these people so well. Yeah. That when I'm watching it, and what you guys see on this, these episodes, and now that we have the field notes, we probably can back up some of the stuff that we think are Speaker 1 (10:38) going on. Yeah. Speaker 2 (10:40) But I can blatantly see what's happening behind the scenes that... most people probably wouldn't catch because they don't know everybody on a personal level. Just Speaker 1 (10:51) by their expressions. But that's what Speaker 2 (10:56) I mean. Yeah, Speaker 1 (10:57) I mean... Like, we... We've always done that with Abby and Melissa. They what? We've always done that with Abby and Melissa. Speaker 2 (11:05) Oh, yeah. Yes. And it's very obvious to me when I watch what's going down, especially between those two and, like, these episodes. I'm like, it's not what people... think it is yeah it's i mean i i would be willing to bet my kids that what i think is happening is really what the underlying story is so i was kind of like well do i do i do i talk about that because everybody who likes to jump down our throats is going to be like that's not what's going on this is what's on tv right that's an edited version of what's on tv Like, wouldn't you think that we might know a little bit more than what you see on TV? Yeah. So, I don't know. Because Speaker 1 (11:51) when you're in the situation, I mean... And not even on a reality show. I mean, think about even like when you were in high school. If you were in the situation, you knew the people and you know how things work. Speaker 2 (12:06) Uh-huh. You know? Speaker 1 (12:08) Uh-huh. Speaker 2 (12:09) You Speaker 1 (12:09) know your friends. Yes. Like when I walk into a room and if something's wrong with you, I know because I know you. Speaker 2 (12:17) Yeah, we were on a call like two weeks ago, like a business call, and she like stops in the middle of the call. She said, Christy, what's wrong? Speaker 2 (12:27) I was like, I'll tell you later. But yes, I do know that. Speaker 2 (12:35) Um, exactly, what I'm saying, what I know is, like, I agree with you, with what you're saying. So keep that in mind as we're giving you our intel and things. We're not trying to be mean. We're not trying to call people out. We're not trying to say you're wrong. I'm just saying, we're looking at this from a totally different perspective. Speaker 1 (12:55) And Speaker 2 (12:55) knowing everything we know now, I can tell you exactly what's going on in some of these scenes. Speaker 2 (13:02) That isn't what you're seeing on TV. Speaker 2 (13:06) So, hopefully, hopefully, the field notes will support what we're saying. Yeah, Speaker 1 (13:11) I'm anxious to hear the field notes. Speaker 2 (13:13) Yeah, I didn't, I only read the field notes for one episode. So, I didn't read them for this one. Okay. Okay. I didn't see any of them. All Speaker 1 (13:24) right, well, let's get into it. Can Speaker 2 (13:25) we Speaker 1 (13:25) start? Yeah. I have a cold. Like, I normally cough a lot to begin with, but now I have a cold. So. Excuse me for all of my coughing. I will try not to and I'll try to mute myself if I really need to. Speaker 2 (13:39) Okay. All Speaker 1 (13:41) right. So we're doing season six, episode 1B, and it's called New Season, New Roles. And new Jill hair. Speaker 2 (13:52) Yeah. Speaker 1 (13:52) You know, I wasn't crazy about Jill's hair in this episode. Speaker 2 (13:57) No. Speaker 1 (13:58) No. I mean, you know. Very aggressive. I'm sure the same person did them that did Brooke's extensions on the reunion when Brooke did her song. Uh-huh. Oh, I hated it. I mean, there's one thing about putting extensions in, but that you can't just put them in. Speaker 2 (14:19) Like, Speaker 1 (14:19) I don't know. It's like they put them in and just didn't do anything else. Speaker 2 (14:24) That's, and look, I've had bad extensions. You know, like my hair needs done right now. But Jill Speaker 1 (14:30) looks like she has her hair Speaker 2 (14:32) and then just like... Another Speaker 1 (14:34) hair underneath. Speaker 2 (14:35) Yeah. Speaker 1 (14:35) Yeah. Speaker 2 (14:36) Which is Speaker 1 (14:36) kind Speaker 2 (14:37) of funny because she used to make fun of me for that. Speaker 1 (14:39) Don't you gotta trim it? If you put it in and then she never went to the hairdresser to have it... Styled and Speaker 2 (14:45) trimmed and like blended. Yeah. Blended, yeah. Now there were a few times in her interview that were like flashing back that I think were a little bit later that it looks pretty, but like Speaker 1 (14:57) what's happening here is... Yeah, this episode, I do not care for it. No. What'd you think of their outfits for the day of competition? Speaker 1 (15:05) For the di- Oh, to Speaker 2 (15:07) - for a pyramid, you mean? Oh, Speaker 1 (15:09) I'm sorry. Yeah. That's okay. Speaker 2 (15:11) Um, I actually think that this might be one of the least offensive pyramids so far. Speaker 1 (15:21) I'm not crazy about Ashley's. Speaker 2 (15:22) Well, I was not going to count her because she's new to the game. Speaker 1 (15:25) Okay. Yeah, Speaker 2 (15:26) no, Speaker 1 (15:27) I... And again, like, let me just say, like, Ashley's outfit probably looks good when she has a pair of shoes on that complete the outfit. Yeah. But when you have a dress on like that and no shoes... Speaker 2 (15:38) Yeah. ...it ruins Speaker 1 (15:39) the freaking outfit. Speaker 2 (15:41) Yes. I mean, especially because her dress is very fitted. And we all know that when you put on a pair of heels, it elongates everything. Yeah, like... So she looks a little like standing here like that without her shoes. It makes her look frumpy. I Speaker 1 (15:57) don't think she's frumpy in the least. That's Speaker 2 (15:59) why Speaker 1 (15:59) I always argued that I wanted to wear my freaking shoes. Yeah. Aya and Abby looked pretty today. Uh, yeah. Speaker 2 (16:09) And Speaker 1 (16:09) thin. Speaker 2 (16:12) I'm looking. I'm looking. I mean, yeah, she does look thin. I was going to say, we're using that. No, I was going to be rude. But no, she does actually look thin. And she does look pretty. Speaker 1 (16:21) I mean, not that that, but I think, I thought her hair and stuff didn't look too bad today. I thought she was pretty. Speaker 2 (16:27) Yeah, but I'm going to tell you what I can't ever get past. I cannot get past the fact that she effing has to match the girls. I Speaker 1 (16:33) can't. It's so stupid and weird. They must send a text out. Oh, of course they do. Okay, we're wearing red and black today. or were wearing yellow and black. Speaker 2 (16:42) Well, Abby sends a text. They're all living at the Grove right now together. Like, they all have apartments, like, right in a row at the Grove. Because when I went for season seven, I got put in the apartment, I think, that Ashley left. Speaker 1 (16:54) Oh. Speaker 2 (16:55) Yeah. So they're all at the Grove. Speaker 1 (16:57) Well, that's cool, though. I would have liked to have lived at the Grove. Mm-hmm. It was cool. Not that I wanted to... Don't even know if I would have moved because of my son, but... Speaker 2 (17:09) I Speaker 1 (17:09) mean, I think it would be cool to live there. Yeah, it was. It was great. I'm surprised you guys got to stay there. Speaker 2 (17:16) Yeah. I think that they negotiated that as part of their, like, we'll move to LA if kind of thing. Yeah. I think. Speaker 1 (17:27) Good for them. Speaker 1 (17:30) Okay, so here we are, three days to competition, and we're at the ALDC in Los Angeles. And the girls are in the parking lot, and they're all on those hoverboards. I... I thought that was really, like, so Speaker 2 (17:45) indicative of exactly where we were in time, because I remember those damn hoverboards. Oh, Speaker 1 (17:49) my Speaker 2 (17:49) God, Speaker 1 (17:50) I do too. But, you know, one thing I was thinking is, they all came in on those. You know how freaking dangerous they are? I know. I know. We weren't allowed to go to the pool. Yep. But they're allowed to ride hoverboards on concrete. Speaker 2 (18:05) Yes. And did you see, like, at one point, JoJo, like, comes right up to the camera and, like, she's looking dead in the camera. And I'm like, this is a little... I Speaker 1 (18:14) was a little jealous that they're allowed to do those things that we were never allowed. Speaker 2 (18:18) Exactly. We weren't. You're right. We weren't allowed to go to the pool. Speaker 1 (18:21) No. Did you ever get on one of those things? Yes. oh my god I almost killed myself yes Speaker 2 (18:28) well actually this is sort of a funny story um we we had one in our house and um the one day Mark comes in and he's like oh you know just and I'm like what's wrong and he's limping and he's like oh he's like I rode Chloe's hoverboard down to the end of the driveway and fell off and hurt myself Speaker 2 (18:52) I mean, Speaker 1 (18:53) you loved that. Speaker 2 (18:54) I just found it entertaining. That's all. I mean, yeah. I was like, oh, that's too bad. Speaker 1 (19:04) Okay, so we start with Jill. She's in her interview. She says, who cares that Nationals was a bust? There comes a point where it's not about winning. It's about the opportunities and the experience. She's like, did I not ask Abby a lot over the summer? Speaker 1 (19:22) I can't wait to get back on track with her. Oh, she did not speak to Abby a lot, so she can't wait to get on her head. Do Speaker 2 (19:30) we think that if they hadn't, or if they had won nationals, that she'd be like, oh, who cares that we won? Speaker 2 (19:41) No, I think they would be like jumping for joy. Like, we Speaker 1 (19:45) won nationals. Right. No, it was not a big deal. Speaker 2 (19:48) Yeah, it's not a big deal that we didn't win. Okay, except that when you win, it's a big deal. No. So Speaker 1 (19:57) the girls head inside for practice and the moms stay out in the parking lot. And Melissa is talking about how Maddie and Mackenzie were really busy over the summer. And she says that Maddie's still in New York filming for the Book of Henry. Speaker 1 (20:12) And, oh God, have a drink. Jill's licking her lips. Speaker 2 (20:15) Oh, God. Okay, so just so we know, everyone, just right now, we are all going to be hammered this season. Because if we're drinking for contradictions, the entire two episodes are nothing but two contradictions. Speaker 1 (20:33) Well, what are you drinking? We didn't even do that. Oh, Speaker 2 (20:36) I forgot. I have... I have a... I brought one of these over. A Smirnoff, a red, white, and berry. I know that sounded kind of good. Speaker 1 (20:47) I'm jealous. I'm having a Diet Coke and a water, as always. I also have a water. Hmm. Speaker 1 (20:55) Okay. So, Joe in an interview again says, this is what Abby has groomed Maddie for. Something bigger and better out there. She's now a great opportunity for the other kids to step up and take Maddie's place. Kendall, for instance, would be perfect. Speaker 2 (21:11) He said why? She's like... Kendall, wink wink. Kendall, for instance, just in case anybody forgot about my little Kendall, she is available and ready. Yeah. Speaker 1 (21:27) So the girls are in the viewing area and they're stretching and they're all talking about national and Kendall hopes that Abby will settle down now that she has her studio and it's a brand new season. I Speaker 2 (21:38) was like, oh, that's a little sassy saying Abby will settle down. I Speaker 1 (21:41) thought it was sassy this whole. Speaker 2 (21:43) I did, too. Yeah, I did. I actually thought this is terrible. I'm just going to say it. But I thought when she was having a meltdown about the makeup, it was this one or the next one. Speaker 1 (21:55) Oh, God, I don't know. I Speaker 2 (21:57) think it, well, anyway. They Speaker 1 (21:58) all Speaker 2 (21:58) run together for me. I hate when we do two in a row because I Speaker 1 (22:01) can't. Speaker 2 (22:03) Separate them. Yeah. I actually thought. Speaker 2 (22:09) I was trying to figure out how old the girls were, like, exactly, because I was like, you know how, like, pretty much the year before a girl gets their period, they pretty much have, like, PMS for the entire year? Yeah. I was like, oh my God, Kendall hasn't gotten her period yet because she's so moody. Speaker 1 (22:26) But I didn't think she was moody as much as she was sassy. Speaker 2 (22:31) I don't know. When she was sobbing over that makeup, I thought it was kind of moody. Speaker 1 (22:36) Yeah. Speaker 2 (22:37) But, yeah, Speaker 1 (22:38) she is sassy. But Kendall's sassy. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So the moms are out in the parking lot. And Melissa says she took legal guardianship over Kalani since she's going to stay with them while Kira's, you know, doing her pregnancy stuff because she's not doing that. Could you imagine? Another six weeks. So that's why she took guardianship. So if... Speaker 1 (23:07) you know, Kehlani has to go to the doctors or whatever. Speaker 2 (23:11) Yeah. But I'm just like, it is so wild to me that Kehlani is on the show called Dance Moms without her mom. Yeah. Speaker 1 (23:26) But she's allowed because Abby wants her. I mean, if one of us couldn't have been there, hell no, our kids wouldn't be. Let's just put it this way. Speaker 1 (23:40) I said, I mean, the show's called Dance Moms. When I left, I would not allow my kids to come back to the show, but I said I would. And they're like, no, you either all have to come back or nothing. Speaker 2 (23:52) Well, and that goes... Why were they Speaker 1 (23:55) given that ultimatum? Speaker 2 (23:57) And Abby says all the time, right now in 2026, all the time, those kids didn't have contracts. If they didn't want to be there, they didn't have to be there. Well, that's not true. You just proved that. Speaker 1 (24:09) Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I get that Kira's pregnant. Sick, so it's a different... I'm not sick. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I don't... Think it would have been that way. Speaker 2 (24:24) No. I'm thinking not. Speaker 1 (24:27) So Abby comes outside and asks the moms, like, are you coming in for Pyramid? God forbid she'd have to wait on the moms. Like, we wait on Abby for Pyramid every freaking week for hours. On work. Yes. So then Abby, in her interview, she's like, after the loss to BDA or BAD or whatever they are, I'm disgusted. She says, I'm going back to where it all started. We're going back to the beginning. It's about technique and it's about challenging these kids to push themselves every weekend for a competition. Speaker 2 (25:06) When weren't we doing that? I mean, I know she wasn't Speaker 1 (25:10) giving them technique classes, but aren't we kind Speaker 2 (25:12) of always at a competition every weekend, pushing the kids, challenging them? Okay, just making sure. Because I didn't know if I missed the last 87 episodes, but okay. All right. Speaker 1 (25:21) So drink again because Abby is licking her lips. Speaker 2 (25:24) La la la. Oh, and her hair is awfully big. It's full of secrets. All right, guys, buckle up. So field notes. Um, Sue... just some of the behind-the-scenes stuff. When Abby calls the girls and the moms in for the first pyramid, she lets them know that LA is now their home, away from home, and she has a business to run, and ALDC is her brand, and these girls need to stay on top. And Holly's like... Speaker 2 (25:59) How are you concerned about your brand if you act the way you do at competitions? Like walking out. Walking Speaker 1 (26:06) off the stage, yeah. So Speaker 2 (26:08) she's worried that the girls are going to tarnish her brand, her reputation, but it's okay if she acts like that. I think you're doing that all yourself. Right? You don't need any help from us. Yeah. Speaker 1 (26:19) Yeah. So then Abby says that the teams, this is the team's sixth season, and they're only as good as their last performance, which was season five nationals, and they lost to BDA. So Abby says, we're fighting and struggling to stay on the top of our craft. Speaker 2 (26:39) Oh, here comes the deflection. Speaker 1 (26:44) So, season five nationals was the first time Abby walked out of a competition, and she did it for the girls. Now, Speaker 2 (26:51) I was trying to think, do you think she ever walked out of a competition? Like, I was trying to think of that. Yeah. Speaker 1 (26:59) I can't tell you when, but, well, I mean, you saw her wheeling backwards out of the competition. Speaker 2 (27:06) Well, that's coming up, Kel. That's not yet. That's not yet. Speaker 1 (27:09) But I was trying to think Speaker 2 (27:10) before the show, and I was like, mm. No, probably not because she only went to competitions, like we only went to competitions, and she had really good relationships with the owners and the directors and stuff. Speaker 1 (27:22) Yeah, Christy, when we were at a competition, it wasn't like this. We were never near Abby. That's Speaker 2 (27:27) true. We Speaker 1 (27:27) were in the dressing room. That's true. Speaker 2 (27:30) That's Speaker 1 (27:30) true. You know what I mean? Speaker 2 (27:31) Yeah. Oh my God, no, she's too busy parking that red Hummer on a curb, leaving a door open. Yeah, Speaker 1 (27:36) and she was usually always in the back, like working on program stuff and stuff like that. Or she would Speaker 2 (27:42) come in for the senior stuff. Did you hear me? She would come in just for the senior groups and stuff. Yeah. She didn't come in for the young stuff. Very rarely. No. Yeah. Here comes a new Abby word. I can't hear you. What? I said, here comes a new Abby word. The next sentence. Oh, Speaker 1 (28:03) God. So... Speaker 1 (28:09) No, I'm still a sentence ahead. I felt that you as my students were being humiliated on television. Speaker 2 (28:22) Humiliated! You humiliations to humans! But I don't think the kids were humiliated. No, I think they were humiliated when they had to leave the stage. Exactly. Speaker 2 (28:36) I Speaker 1 (28:37) don't know. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they were humiliating. No. Speaker 2 (28:40) And like that Speaker 1 (28:42) right there is teaching them that if you don't win, you're losers. Speaker 1 (28:53) Do you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Speaker 2 (28:56) I'm Speaker 1 (28:56) pretty sure that Speaker 2 (28:57) we've heard if you don't win, you're losers before, though. I'm just saying. Speaker 1 (29:02) Yeah. Speaker 2 (29:02) I don't know. Second is the first to lose? Speaker 1 (29:04) Yeah. Speaker 2 (29:05) I don't know if you've ever heard that before. Speaker 1 (29:08) Oh, my God, there's an ant on my computer. The National's dance is now the priority. And Abby puts... What is it? Speaker 2 (29:17) Oh, a moratorium. Speaker 1 (29:19) Moratorium. Speaker 2 (29:20) Yeah, don't worry. They had to teach her that too. Kind of like a moratorium is like a stop. Like there's no more of this. Like, nope. Like there's a stop to it. Speaker 1 (29:33) Oh, what a contradiction that is. Speaker 1 (29:37) Like, she's like, all right, to all the moms except for Melissa, jump down Abby's throat. They're like, this doesn't make sense. Especially since Maddie is currently absent from doing an acting job. Speaker 2 (29:49) Yeah, because literally Jess is like, isn't Maddie off filming a movie? And she's like, yes, but nobody else gets to do anything. Speaker 1 (29:59) But she's, but Abby says, oh, she's in the. film because she's a dancer. Speaker 2 (30:04) She's Speaker 1 (30:04) a dancer. As well, she got the part from them watching her solos from the ALDC. That's where it all started. And that is what we all said every week. Why? Speaker 1 (30:17) Nobody's gonna get a job, like, say, Paige, watching that show because they make her out to be a loser. Speaker 2 (30:26) Right. And she's slow to pick up. Nobody wants to hire somebody for a show. And look, I'm not saying Paige is slow to pick up. I'm saying these are the words Abby says. She's slow to pick up. So if you're on set, you don't want to hire a dancer who is quote-unquote slow to pick up because it's gonna take time. Speaker 1 (30:44) Yes. To teach that. We always said she was making it for Maddie to move on and not the rest of the group. All right. So Jill in her interview says, I've had people calling me all summer long because they wanted to work with Kendall, but I had to turn them down because of my loyalty to Abby. And that's bullshit. I believe that too about Jill. I do. I believe that. Speaker 2 (31:07) And. Speaker 2 (31:09) I think that there are some underlying things that I think