Top Navy Admiral: "The Ocean is FULL OF UFOs!"

American Alchemy with Jesse Michels

Rear Admiral Tim Gallaudet (ret.), former acting administrator of NOAA and the Navy's chief oceanographer, shares his firsthand experience with the classified GoFast video on a

Key takeaways

• The GoFast video was seen on a classified Navy network by Gallaudet during a high-pressure training exercise, leading him to conclude it was not human-made or foreign technology.
• The deletion of the email containing the GoFast footage suggests deliberate suppression due to classification protocols and uncertainty about the nature of the UAPs.

Main topics

• UFOs and classified Navy footage
• Underwater anomalous phenomena

Notable quotes

The large territory of the ocean that we know nothing about really points in the direction that that's probably where they are. What would they be for you? Undersea alien bases.

That was the day everything changed for me. There's this teardrop-shaped looking UAP, 20 feet lengthwise or so. It surfaces out of the water, and there's no disturbance of the water. And after a few moments, it just went... It looked like it was being lifted, like gravity in reverse.

Conclusion

Admiral Tim Gallaudet concludes that the ocean remains largely unexplored and may harbor advanced, possibly

Transcript preview

Speaker 1 (0:00) We've only explored about 10%, 10 % of the ocean volume. Wow. The large territory of the ocean that we know nothing about really points in the direction that that's probably where they are. What would they be for you? Undersea alien bases. Speaker 3 (0:17) Tim Galladet, you were the Navy's chief oceanographer. Speaker 1 (0:21) Yes, and I was a one-star admiral, and I saw on the Navy's secret network the GOFAST video. Oh, Speaker 4 (0:27) my gosh, dude. Wow. Speaker 1 (0:31) That was the day everything changed for me. There's this teardrop-shaped looking UAP, 20 feet lengthwise or so. It surfaces out of the water, and there's no disturbance of the water. And after a few moments, it just went... It looked like it was being lifted, like gravity in reverse. Really? That's basically disclosure right there. Speaker 3 (0:50) I went out in the middle of the Baltic Sea, kind of smack dab between Sweden and Finland, and it looks like the Millennium Falcon. We've located them, but it's hard to actually extract them because it's like they have a life of their own. Speaker 1 (1:04) You lost GPS? Speaker 3 (1:08) Harold Malmgren talked about actually holding the pieces from this crash and that it came down, I guess, out of the plume of this nuclear blast in 1962. Do you know about this Bluegill triple prime test? Speaker 1 (1:22) I helped Jeff Cruikshank write the report on it. Speaker 3 (1:25) Oh, wow. Yeah. Did you think that something anomalous was recovered from the deck? 100%. I do. It's like an accumulation of evidence. Yeah, Speaker 1 (1:33) and then these divers claimed that they saw UFO occupants outside these two saucers and that they even took video of it. A recent development for me, and it's exciting, we believe we found a region in the Atlantic with features that correspond to exactly how Plato described it. Atlantis, maybe? We might be diving on that thing real soon. Speaker 4 (2:11) All Speaker 3 (2:23) right I have an admiral here. I have Tim Gallaudet. Is it fair to say you were basically the Navy's chief oceanographer? That's right. You were an administrator of NOAA as well, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. Correct. I owe you an apology. I don't know if you know about this or what I'm about to say. No, I don't. When you testified before Congress. You're behind me. I was sitting behind you. And like an idiot, I was chewing gum. And I deserved to be slapped up the backside of my head or something for that because it just wasn't cool. I didn't know I was being televised. I didn't know I was in the shot. So I apologize. Speaker 1 (3:04) You were front row, Speaker 3 (3:04) right? I was front row. I thought I was cut off. Yeah, but all the Speaker 1 (3:08) cameras are at an angle. Yeah. So there's a lot of shots where you're right there. Well, I apologize. No. Speaker 3 (3:15) Publicly, I'm shaming myself. As far as I'm concerned, it was a good look. You have a very interesting family history, and I want to talk about it. Who is Peter Wallace Gallaudet? Oh, Speaker 1 (3:25) how about that? Yeah, he was a grandson of the original French Huguenot immigrant, Pierre Gallaudet. Peter Wallace ended up serving in the Battle of Trenton and Revolutionary War and fighting in it under Washington. And then Washington became president. He was the personal secretary for Washington. So, yeah, how about that? That's amazing. It's Speaker 3 (3:48) special. Yeah. It's a pretty illustrious history. Not Speaker 1 (3:51) bad. Speaker 3 (3:51) Yeah. Speaker 1 (3:52) Close to a president. The president. A Speaker 3 (3:54) lot of people think about, you know, somebody with your credentials being, you know, a former rear admiral and they think about UFOs and. They think that UFOs are not super serious and not maybe worthy of the attention of somebody of your sort of caliber. What brought them on your radar initially? Speaker 1 (4:13) Yeah, well, two things. First, I was the superintendent of the Naval Observatory, and I had a team of astrophysicists who I learned from, and it gave me this appreciation for how big the universe is. Every galaxy, our galaxy, has 100 billion stars, which is... really beyond human comprehension. And now we know the observable universe has maybe over a trillion galaxies. And then because life's a property of the universe, we're here and it's very diverse, why would it not be elsewhere? And that's what I work on the Galileo project for Avi Loeb. And he usually describes the situation like that, where it would really be extraordinary if other life didn't exist, other intelligent life. That's what we really... So I was just very open-minded to the fact that we could be visited by off-world civilizations. And then, of course, it kind of clinched to me when I was a one-star admiral and I saw on the Navy Secret Network the GOFAST video. Speaker 1 (5:29) It was passed by an email dealing with the exercise where it was filmed. The exercise was going on off the U.S. East Coast. Ryan Graves was one of the pilots flying off the USS Theodore Roosevelt. And I received an email about these UAP attached was the go fast video. And there was a real concern because. This is a training exercise where all the pilots have to get certified to land on the aircraft carrier. And you can't deploy overseas unless those things are done along with other things. And so this is very compressed, high pressure. And they were, the email mentioned that they were considering shutting down the exercise. After what happened is, Ryan talks about this, there was a section of F-18s flying, doing some training mission. And that's when one of those weird Cubanosphere UAPs split the section. There were two aircraft from my squadron, VFA-11, and we flew, or excuse me, Speaker 4 (6:22) they flew, took off as a flight of two. That means they're essentially flying in a formation like this. And as they hit the area, Speaker 1 (6:30) one of these objects went right between the aircraft. If you're not an aviator, it's hard to appreciate how dangerous that is. You want nothing close to you if you're in, you know, two aircraft flying in formation very close. And nothing should be within miles. You know, you would want to have anticipation of anything in the air, in the airspace being, you know, miles away. And then when all of a sudden the pop-up UFO splits a section, everyone went crazy. And that's why the two stars sent that email to everybody. And of course, I knew right there, we don't test advanced tech in training ranges during a very compressed training exercise. And we have instrumented test ranges for that. And I knew all of our adversary. tech and threats because I had top secret SCI clearance. And so I knew that wasn't ours either. Every now and then we'll have like Chinese trawlers with SIGINT gear spying on our exercises. There was nothing like foreign there. So it was clearly not foreign. And I knew right there that was the day everything changed for me. And it was just something you'll just never forget when your whole paradigm just totally changes in one day. Speaker 3 (7:35) Wow. And so you received an email. And then the email was deleted. Speaker 1 (7:40) So this is interesting. And Jay Stratton has since confirmed it because I believe he was somewhere in the naval intelligence community and he and either the predecessor of or I forgot exactly when he stood up the UAP task force. But what the story he told me what happened is when it was deleted, they were still not sure whether it was adversary tech or or off world anomalous. So that's why they deleted it from everybody's computer, because. adversary tech, foreign military capabilities are always very highly classified. We don't want, we keep that at TS or higher because we don't want them to know what we know. And we don't want them to know how we know what we know. And I've been involved with all many programs like that, especially undersea programs. And those will never see the light of day. That's just. That relates to this whole UAP over classification thing. But yeah, and so and I knew this too, because I've seen there's a protocol what happens when you it's called spillage, I believe, where if you release information at a certain classification level and you release it at a lower classification level network, you have to basically clean it up. And there's a whole protocol to do the cleanup. And I realized when the email was deleted, that's what occurred. And I thought, oh, this must be TSR hire and this knowledge of these UAP. And that's why I just never said anything about it until I left the government. Wow. Speaker 3 (9:07) Fascinating. So, yeah, it must have spooked you, the fact that he got an email about a UFO and then the email was deleted. Yeah. And then you kind of see find out later through Jay Stratton, who's. He ran the UAP task force and is, I believe, former office of Naval Intelligence. Is that right? Yeah, Speaker 1 (9:23) he's worked in a number of intelligence capacities. And so, yeah, he worked and we worked in the same circles and knew the same senior and Naval Intelligence professionals. Speaker 3 (9:33) And then the interesting thing about GoFast is that's probably one of the more. So there are three videos that came out kind of alongside the 2017 New York Times article with Leslie Kane. And you have GoFast, Nimitz and Gimbel. And GoFast is kind of one of the most. controversial of those three is that right because there are people in aero that say it's just parallax which is essentially movement of the FLIR pod like of the tracking system like typical parallax would be put you know finger in front of both your your eyes and then you close one eye you open the other eye it looks like the your finger is moving but it's staying in the same place is that Do you think that that's not the case and it's definitely not paralyzed? So Speaker 1 (10:10) it wasn't going very fast. That's true. They called the go—I don't know how it got the name go fast. I don't dispute that because, yeah, the angle of where it's looking at the object and it appears to go fast because of the water underneath it, but it was high above the water and that's why it looks like that. I don't dispute that. What I dispute is the fact that this was a spherical object that had no flight control services or means propulsion traveling in an intelligently controlled manner. And it was in formation, by the way. I believe there was four. So that's the context no one talks about. And that's why after my hearing, John Kozlowski made some statements about that during his hearing, inferring that it wasn't very anomalous because it wasn't going very fast. The go-fast looks like an object flying very fast over the Speaker 4 (10:59) water, very close to the water. A trick of the eye called parallax makes it look like the object is moving much faster. He Speaker 1 (11:07) didn't cite the other instances, the observations I just stated. And by the way, the context also was that Ryan was out there. They were seeing dozens of these things. And you can hear the pilots on the gimbal, for example, and the go fast. So there's another thing. I don't want to disparage John because I think Arrow is moving in a new direction now. But why didn't they acknowledge the fact that the pilots went crazy? The audio of the GoFast video, you hear them. They're trying to lock it in and they lock it in. They go, got it. You've heard it all. Yeah, whoa, got it. Yeah, Speaker 3 (11:39) I Speaker 1 (11:39) mean, they're in the airspace. They know what's normal. And they're clearly excited because this thing is not normal. Well, that's always Speaker 3 (11:45) my question is like, unless the guy's acting, it's like that feels irrational reaction to something anomalous. Speaker 1 (11:53) Yes. And then, and Ryan flew with these guys. He knows the guy whose voice it is. Yeah, yeah, Speaker 3 (11:59) yeah. Speaker 1 (11:59) You know, they flew together as squadron mates. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and clearly this was a buzz in the squadron. They all knew these things were out there. They had no explanation. None of the intel officers on the carrier. The carrier has a whole intel team. They didn't know what the heck these were. Yep. So anybody who tries to dispute the GoFast video is, is, is trying to. Skew the conversation. It'd be great if that guy at some point Speaker 3 (12:22) came out, because with Nimitz, you have all of this. You have people and then you also have. Exactly. Yeah. Speaker 1 (12:27) Just today, as we record the principal deputy director of the Office of National Intelligence. OK. Aaron Lucas just sent out a memo per the president's directive saying that if anybody. has information regarding UAP and they had to sign an NDA that the NDAs will be waived. And they can come out and make reports to the PURSUE team in the Department of War or AERO. So that's significant. And so these pilots, I don't know if they had to sign NDAs, but now this stat directive right there is every day something is happening where the stigma is just being destroyed. And those pilots might want to come out. The only reason they're doing it because they don't want it to potentially harm their career. But those days are nearly over. Seems like it. Yeah. If anything, it seems like a career boost. Speaker 2 (13:22) It's like all Speaker 3 (13:23) these opportunities to like get involved in kind of. avant-garde research and, you know, academic institutions. And, you know, I think those days are over, hopefully. Well, Speaker 1 (13:32) if you're a career naval aviator, maybe not. That's... Sure. But again, it's starting to get acknowledged at the president's level and the secretary of defense with the pursue files. So who knows? That might change entirely. Speaker 3 (13:46) Yeah. And then it does feel like certain whistleblowers are not treated well. People like David Grush and, you know... Dylan Borland and Matthew Brown, some of these guys don't seem like they're treated well after the fact. Speaker 1 (13:58) Well, this, so there is a large part of the IC that's entrenched, you know, and they're still either part of the legacy program or at least the fact it still exists that much of this information has remained classified and they don't want to see classified information. Speaker 1 (14:16) revealed, which is fair because some of it might involve our own collection capabilities. We don't want that out there. Yeah, but it's wrong that any of those whistleblowers have to be treated or treated poorly or harmed even professionally. Speaker 3 (14:34) Yeah, I agree. I think ontological truth is different than a trade secret that can confer a tactical Speaker 2 (14:39) advantage. Well said. Speaker 3 (14:42) try to do on the show is cover ontological truth. And I think same with, you know, anybody coming out saying like this fundamental thing that people should, should know about because it deals with metaphysics and physics and things that should be taught in academia. Like no one should ever. Speaker 1 (14:58) The nature Speaker 3 (14:58) of Speaker 1 (14:58) reality. It's the nature of reality. Yeah. I'm with you. I'm glad you said that because that, yeah. And it's, it's unfortunate how toxic some of this has become because there's. Different individuals in this space have different agendas and it has created divisions and so many people question other people. And just for the record, that is the only reason I'm in this game. I don't make any money from this. I don't get any advantage. I just want the truth. I've been given through my credentials a voice and my voice is like yours. I just want to promote the truth. That's amazing. Yeah. Speaker 3 (15:34) No, it's a tough topic. There's a lot of infighting, a lot of interpersonal dynamics. You'd think that it should be us against the world. And it's, you know, often kind of us against us and human nature. Yeah, it's unfortunate. It's, you know, I think a rising tide raises all ships. And, you know, just you know, I like Speaker 1 (15:53) your nautical terminology. Yes, sir. Exactly. No Speaker 3 (15:57) pun intended. It's true, Speaker 2 (15:58) though. I totally agree. I want to take a step back and talk about almost the intellectual firmament Speaker 3 (16:05) for even thinking that there might be non-human intelligence in our waters. And there are some great books, you know, Ivan Sanderson, Invisible Residence. And there's a whole history of experiences you have. Obviously, Richard Dolan has written a whole history of, you know, USOs. Great book. Yeah. Unidentified Submersible Objects. A lot of Navy Speaker 1 (16:26) ships in that book. There you go. On the Navy ship Speaker 3 (16:28) reporting them, yeah. Can you set the scene for a person who just thinks about UFOs as coming from space and they have no idea about this kind of waterborne history of UFOs and UFOs? Speaker 1 (16:40) Well, right. And so it's interesting because right now. 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Speaker 1 (18:35) So it's interesting because right now, we don't, our understanding of physics and certainly engineering. Speaker 1 (18:43) Traveling light years to other galaxies is something that just is not possible with what we know. So that's out there. And then the other thing is that our Earth is old enough to have had a civilization evolve and then have it, if it were to maybe want to avoid any kind of cataclysms like asteroids and impacting the Earth and all the... terrible weather and tsunamis and things that could destroy civilizations, the length of time of our Earth, I guess, being in existence, it's foreseeable, and this is called the Salarian hypothesis, you know it, where some of these civilizations could have gone under the ocean and moved their entire infrastructure or even within mountain ranges in the U.S., probably less likely. And then have the geologic record basically destroy any evidence of their existence and have them still be resident somewhere, right? That's possible in terms of the timeframe. Yeah. Speaker 3 (19:48) So Speaker 1 (19:48) they think about we're 4 billion years in existence. So what if an advanced civilization evolved after a billion years? It's very possible. So that's why that kind of lends credibility to the hypothesis that possibly these UAP come from under the oceans. But what's more interesting is the data. So Richard Dolan anecdotally shares all these reports of USOs and UFOs coming out and going into the water. And it turns out I'm privy to a very interesting piece of communications. And I've talked around this once on one show previously, and this is the first time I'll really go into it, mostly because I feel empowered by that new PD &I. Speaker 1 (20:29) memo about UAP information. Okay. The whole intent is we don't want to withhold any of this information from the president. Okay. Well, let's talk about this, this email. I have a friend who worked in the military and he was deployed to a joint task force overseas. And so joint meaning there was different services in there and there was a, it was a intelligence officer from another service. So he was the J2 in the task force. And one night He pulled my friend into their building and they have a skiff and he showed him two things. One was a video and it was attached to an email. And like me and the go fast, a very similar situation. The video he saw was, I think, from an infrared sensor. It was fairly low and it was over the ocean. And he was observing this. teardrop-shaped-looking UAP that might have been 20 feet lengthwise or so, and it was traveling under the ocean water. And we could see it clearly under the water moving along, waves over the top of the surface. And then at one point, it surfaces out of the water, and there's no disturbance of the water. It surfaces out, keeps going, and then it stopped to hover. And it seemed to behave like it knew it was being observed. And after a few moments, it just went vertical all the way up beyond any sight, basically, of the sensor. The sensor couldn't even track it. And it looked like it was being lifted, like gravity in reverse, you know, like an inverted fall. It moved so fast. And the intelligence guy looked at my friend and said, how does that thing fly? My friend had an engineering degree and that's why the guy asked him this question, the intel officer, the J2. And he said, I just don't know. Let me think about that. And he goes, yeah, well, think about that. Why don't you sit here at the terminal? I got to go pack because I'm leaving. He was redeploying after the next day. And so he let him look at the whole length of the email. And here's what this email said. It was from a commander, a female commander in Naval Intelligence. And it was to this long distro of... A couple hundred people, a hundred people, maybe, you know, nearly that many. And my friend was very perplexed at this because normally in the U.S. military, your email domains are, you know, my name, then at, and for us.navy.mil or same with army or whatever. And then there's OSD is usually just at. I think it's like mail.mil. So I know all these domains. He looked at all these domains on these email addresses and he didn't recognize any of them. And they were not only, they weren't just three, like us.navy.mil, there were four. And they were all X'd out. XX.XX.XX.XX. And he was, first he was just looking at that and thought, what the hell is this program? Because he was on some system that had a color background that he'd never seen before. And I don't know if you're probably not aware of this, but when you are on a network and you're on a workstation, you can sometimes transfer between classification levels. You just change the input to the screen. And so on class systems, you'll have a big green banner. Top secret, no secret is red. top secret is yellow and this thing had some weird colors you've never seen before so he knew this must have been some compartmental program or whatever that i mean that's that's his only and in these agencies whatever they were he didn't know where these people were from uh it just didn't but so that struck him as strange so and the attachments that that crazy uap and then This female commander goes and says basically, you know, she refers to the attachment and she makes the following statements. She says, we've been tracking these for some time. We still don't know their origin or intention. And we want to get you up to speed on this because right now all the agencies that have access or have this information, everyone's kind of keeping to themselves because they think it might be part of some SAP, special access program, and they're afraid that sharing it might. remove their ability to continue to have access of the information. So that, and that's happens in the government all the time, the stove piping of people wanting to protect their own rice bowls. So she made this statement that we needed to do more collaboration on to find out what these are. Okay. And I'm sending this email to all you, our partners to encourage data, data sharing and more discovery. And then, and then she said, And these objects, we see them in the ocean more than elsewhere, coming in and out of the ocean. And they seem to be occurring in five to seven areas of the world with more frequency than others. Okay. And that's the gist of the information. So a while back, you might have heard Tim Burchett make this claim. Yeah, someone came to me and there's... Five to seven alien bases, right? Undersea alien bases. We Speaker 4 (25:34) have a higher propensity of sightings Speaker 1 (25:37) around these five or six, I believe, deep area, deep water areas. Now, when he said that, I thought, I've never heard this. I was the oceanographer for the Navy. This is probably a stretch. And what I think happened is someone who'd seen that email is the one who talked to Burchett. So the woman did not say they were undersea alien bases. She just said, we see them coming in and out of the water a lot. And they're usually in five to seven areas of the world, like with, with consistency. Yeah. So that, that's, that's knowledge right now that hasn't been put together in terms of two plus two. With a lot of these Congress Speaker 3 (26:14) people, you know, they'll make these big claims and it's just really hard to know what the source is and where it's coming from. So this is really, it's good to know that that might be the source. Speaker 1 (26:24) Yeah. And you can see that, that, that. That was a very privileged email. And that's why that source probably didn't want to be named. But he felt like so many people have done to me. He felt, well, OK, this congressman, he's a champion for this. I'm going to at least tell him and let me make sure he knows. So I think, you know, when you put those two together and then the third line of, OK, UAP is in the ocean that you asked me about. I've had several submarine officers come to me, two and one enlisted. And they all reported to me these instances where they were all of a sudden encountering an object under a water that was closing rapidly, more rapid than normal other and adversary submarines. You know, had signatures of a torpedo closing rapidly, constant bearing, decreasing range. Three people all had this and the subs did an emergency deep maneuver where they just all of a sudden, okay, this is what you train to do if an adversary torpedo is inbound. And then in each case, whatever the object was, it slowed and it went behind them to kind of get out of there. And it's called going into your baffles where your sonar can't see it. So they actually purposely evaded and then left the area. And torpedoes can't do that. No, they have a very strict profile. It's basically close as rapidly as you can to eliminate the target. So that's not, yeah, it's not, we don't have technology that does that. And so, and all three of those folks, and I even had another guy tell me he had a similar encounter. He was an acoustic specialist, retired as a captain, was on one of the Navy's acoustic intelligence ships off Japan. And two cases, they also observed these anomalous objects. And all of them called me because they, after my testimony to say. Hey, I want you to know that there's some there there. And these are very credible people. That's amazing. Yeah. I mean, you have Alexander Wiggins we Speaker 3 (28:22) can talk Speaker 1 (28:22) about because Speaker 3 (28:23) he's sort of Speaker 1 (28:23) on record. Speaker 3 (28:24) He's an example of. Speaker 1 (28:26) Well, I'm proud of that, actually, because he came out because of me. He saw that I testified. He looked me up and sent me a note and we got on the phone and talked. And I encouraged him to. He engaged the hill and now you see he testified. And what was his case exactly? Well, I'm pretty sure, forgive me if I screw this up, but I think he was on the bridge of the Omaha when that one object, spherical object, goes into the water off Southern California in 2019. A self-luminous tic-tac-shaped object emerged from the ocean Speaker 4 (28:59) before linking up with three other similar objects. Speaker 4 (29:05) The four then disappeared simultaneously with Speaker 1 (29:07) a high synchronized near instantaneous acceleration. And then he shared with me a video of when he was on the USS Jackson, same region, and they were seeing multiple erratic moving UAP at night. And he told me this. He said, we see these things so often out there that we're desensitized to it. I believe that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they call it the silent service Speaker 3 (29:32) for a reason, you know, and so a lot of people see a lot of things and then they sort of keep quiet. Well, Speaker 1 (29:37) so Alejandro wasn't, he was not a submariner. Okay. Or Alex. Yeah. He was on these surface ships. But yeah, the submarine service is called the silent Speaker 3 (29:48) service. Speaker 1 (29:48) They call that the silent service. That's Speaker 3 (29:49) right. Speaker 1 (29:49) Okay. Got it. But ultimately, so that, I think it's a good thing to point out that Alex. You know, he testified eventually because he was encouraged by people like me. Speaker 3 (30:00) And Speaker 1 (30:00) this is good. So now he testifies and others say those are going to come forward. And you see, this is a movement. It's not slowing down. Speaker 3 (30:09) Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah. Hopefully it kind of snowballs and we get some official statements made. And, you know, it's occurring. We kind of cross the Rubicon. Speaker 3 (30:18) 2013, I believe, in Aguadilla, you have this, in Puerto Rico, you have this three-minute video of a transmedium object, an object that seems to descend into the Atlantic Ocean and then come out as well. Speaker 1 (30:31) Yeah, and of course, all the debunkers have tried to do just that on the video. Ultimately, just like all the PURSU files, yeah, we need more data. We need other sensors to corroborate that. But it appears to be another example of transmedium