“An Alien Gave Me The True Purpose of the Pyramids!” -Geoffrey Drumm

American Alchemy with Jesse Michels

Geoffrey Drumm, creator of The Land of Chem, explores radical theories about the Egyptian pyramids as ancient energy systems and atmospheric

Key takeaways

• The pyramids may have functioned as atmospheric nitrate fertilizers using electrical discharge from lightning strikes.
• UFO sightings at sites like Pyramid Kuramanta in Japan correlate with sulfur and ammonia smells linked to ball lightning phenomena.

Main topics

• Ancient Egyptian pyramids as energy systems
• UFO phenomena and plasma formations at megalithic sites

Notable quotes

"To me, that was the first indication that alchemy was born in ancient Egypt."

Conclusion

Drumm advocates for open-minded investigation into radical theories ab

Transcript preview

Speaker 3 (0:01) Everything in Egypt is essentially the apex, pinnacle execution of ancient stone technology, harnessing the abundant natural resources and converting them into chemical commodities. Speaker 3 (0:14) To me, that was the first indication that alchemy was born Speaker 4 (0:17) in ancient Egypt. Jeffrey Drum, Land of Chem, you are as deep in corroborating this theory of these ancient megalithic sites. And a lot of them are not only functional, but you can see the development from stone circles to pyramids. And we experimentally demonstrated that Speaker 3 (0:35) if you induce voltage and send electrical current into one stone, it absolutely arcs into the next stone. Speaker 4 (0:41) Whoa. Yeah, it's Speaker 3 (0:41) crazy. Like lightning strikes the most powerful atmospheric event that a Neolithic person could possibly witness so lightning guided the way for ancient civilizations to build these things these positive charges are gonna start to accumulate all of a sudden you get that lightning discharge the rain the atmospheric nitrate fertilizers and voila we now have the birth of stone circle obelisk standing stones atmospheric nitrate fertilizer technology and It's being built all over the planet Speaker 4 (1:14) You even make the connection as to why UFOs show up around some of these sites. In fact, there's a specific case in Japan. Speaker 3 (1:22) So that's a site called Pyramid Kuramanta, and people report UFO sightings, mainly these glowing orbs directly connected to Pyramid Kuramanta. It's one of the most mysterious sites in northern Japan. It's a shape-shifting plasma phenomenon that can change into these different formations. There's an interesting connection between the smell of sulfur and ammonia directly related to UFO phenomenon Speaker 4 (1:44) and ball lightning phenomenon. Well, that's extremely common. It's this case in Brazil. There is a statue commemorating this UFO encounter because everyone in this city, all of them say that the beings smelled like sulfur and ammonia. That is just the tip of the iceberg of Speaker 3 (2:02) substantiating evidence that I've discovered over the past nine years. Very strange experience during my first trip to Egypt. So my friend and I go to sit to dinner and I'm looking at him in the eyes and he has these big bulbous eyes, like chameleon, like kind of like they operated independently where one was kind of looking over. It was like really, really weird. What? And he had googly eyes. He has googly eyes. And I remember he already knew where my mind was going in advance of the conversation. And then he starts probing, asking these really methodical questions. regarding this theory that I had just generated that day. Tell me what you know. Speaker 4 (3:04) Jeffrey Drum, Land of Chem. Land of Chem. Welcome back. This is part two for us. Yeah. A really interesting, I thought very fun and good natured, which is also kind of refreshing for this sort of thing. Podcast with Filippo Biondi, of course, of Synthetic Aperture Radar, Doppler Tomography fame, who has these scans, which he claims show these. 20 meter wide hollow tubular structures, eight of them below the Khafre Pyramid. Total Speaker 3 (3:37) proof of concept for the actual technique. That's amazing. That's my point. And then Speaker 4 (3:43) you need to do that for the thing that's going viral that everybody cares about. It's definitely something to pay attention to. I don't find him to be dishonest. Again, limited context with him. I find him to be sort of good natured. And then my guess is like he's also very like interested in kind of heterodox science and science history and stuff. Yeah. And there is this telling thing he actually said in my first interview with him where he was like Marconi was too stupid. to know that he was wrong. And so he ended up getting it right. And so the context here is that everyone was like, you can't send an electromagnetic signal. It doesn't make sense. You know, you can't tell the curvature of the earth, literally, like it'll literally shoot into space. Right. And Marconi was like too dumb to, it was almost like ignorant in an adaptive way where he tried it across the Atlantic. And so he was sort of wrong in a sense because the electromagnetic waves, I think he thought they curved, but they don't curve. So he didn't anticipate the ionosphere. And so the electromagnetic wave bounced off the ionosphere and then it landed. And he actually, you know, received an electromagnetic signal. And I wonder if there's something similar with this where it's like, you are clearly right. And this is a hopeful wish. And again, I don't know how I shake out exactly 50-50, 60-40. I'm somewhere on the margin. I think it's extremely worthy of investigation. I like him. And then I wonder if it's a case like that where maybe it's probably not the energy grit. It's probably not the first guess that the internet applies to the thing. But there's like something directionally correct about the readings. And we go down there and it's way weirder and more interesting than we, you know, ever, ever kind of thought to begin with. And it was because of the virality of, you know, because he had the boldness to like make this claim that we we figure out what's going on. Speaker 3 (5:52) Thanks to this research, people are more interested in what is really below the Giza Plateau. Yes. Which is critical to the function of these structures. And before this, there was no interest in what's underground, right? Everybody's paying attention to Great Pyramid, Great Pyramid. It's a power plant. It does X, Y, Z, Speaker 4 (6:10) only focusing on the inside of it. You honestly conducted the interview. I was sort of a fly on the wall facilitator. Sure. And you did it in a way that I could not. So I really thank you for that because you asked a bunch of really good first principles questions and poked at areas which I think are weak in. you know, the way he presented a couple of things. But I think it was in a way that stress tested his findings. And I also thought she showed a lot of confidence for him to show up and answer a lot of these things. Absolutely. I love the kind of collegial, good, good feel of it. But we were just talking right before the show. And just tell you want to repeat what you told me? Sure. Yeah. So. Speaker 3 (6:53) People, especially followers of my channel, know that I've been following this for a long time. And I really like Filippo Biondi, and I think the research is fascinating. And anybody that's in the community shouldn't be outright dismissing this stuff. Because even if there's a 5 % potential for something to be discovered implementing this type of technology, we should be investigating it and we should give at least some opportunity for entertaining the idea and listening to him and having him explain more in depth the mechanisms of operation and the method and all the things that go into these discoveries. Because if what he claims is real. it could be potentially one of the biggest discoveries in relation to the function and the true mysteries of the Egyptian pyramids Speaker 4 (7:40) that has ever happened in archaeology. Even Richard Dawkins, who is, I think, kind of a guardian of the priestly citadel of modern science and always shakes out on the skeptical side. He said, he has a quote, and I'm paraphrasing, it's something like, the implications of something being true, how profound those are, times the likelihood that... it is true is like a good formula or heuristic for looking into something. So this is worthy of investigation clearly because it would be paradigm shifting if you had these, Speaker 3 (8:11) you know, Speaker 4 (8:12) mega structures underneath the pyramids. You Speaker 3 (8:14) know, my, my interest in the research project goes back many, many years. And, you know, I haven't, like I said yesterday, I've invested a lot of time into studying the research. Speaker 3 (8:26) entertaining potential implementations of their findings into my working hypothesis for the function of the Egyptian pyramids. So I have a vested interest in determining whether this is real and something to be taken seriously or if it should be dismissed because, again, I'm really focused on getting to the bottom of the mystery regarding the function of the Egyptian pyramids. And originally my stance, and I've said this publicly to Filippo, you know, I don't 100 % agree with any of this stuff. My original stance when I started looking at this back in 2020, when I was evaluating their original paper, was about 50-50. 50%, I don't believe it at all. 50%, I see some potential in the technology to be utilized to discover hidden structures within the pyramids, which is really the impetus of their entire work, is to find things that... have not been documented by the conventional archaeological process. So I was about 50-50. The more I looked into it after the Malta conference and after doing some digging and more videos on their second paper regarding the Khafre pyramid, I was about 70-30. 70 % I don't believe it. 30 % thinking that there is some limited potential for the scanning technology to detect structures within the pyramids. 70 % being it cannot permeate deep underground at all. And that the so-called pillar structures are really just figments of the scanning process, like echoes or long exposure, figments of the scanning process. After yesterday's conversation, I'm more like 80-20. Really? So I've lost about 10 % in my belief in the... There's definitely something potentially to it. I really like Filippo. And he is an expert in... radar technology. He's a radar engineer. He's a software developer. So he should know what he's doing. However, in the context of the conversation yesterday, there were several things, and this was the first time I've had a chance to sit down with Filippo face-to-face and ask him some really poignant questions that have really been bugging me. And these are the same questions that everybody in the industry has been having, especially the people that have immediately debunked the research, which was there was a whole community of people that either shut it down completely, rejected it immediately without really asking any probing questions. Or like we said yesterday, there's the other hand where they just accept it unquestioningly. We're 100 % on board. They found a huge city in these alien megastructures underneath the pyramids. So I'm not trying to debunk Filippo. I really like it. I'm super interested. Speaker 4 (11:10) keep coming to the table with more, right? And that can be- You're asking the right questions and you're pinpointing real issues. And so I'm just excited to see how, the ball's in his court. He's got to follow up and he needs to, whatever is quote unquote proprietary in his head needs to be like replicated, scaled to the rest of the scientific community, made accessible because there's so many things we're taking at face value. that I think need to really be, you know, understood and scrutinized kind of publicly. But, okay, Speaker 3 (11:47) let's Speaker 4 (11:48) transition because... Speaker 3 (11:49) And Speaker 4 (11:50) that's Speaker 3 (11:50) a Speaker 4 (11:50) good preface, too. I think you're one of two people, you and Christopher Dunn, who actually have a theory as to what the pyramid's function actually was. Where Speaker 3 (12:00) the supposed king's chamber is, where those passages go through into it. What do you think... that Speaker 1 (12:07) thing was. The power plant, the book is entitled The Giza Power Plant, and I Speaker 4 (12:12) describe it as an electron harvester. You could describe it as both. I do think the consensus is shifting away from these being originally... conceived as tombs. And Graham Hancock and Robert Shock and those guys are really kind of at the forefront of that. But academia feels like it's catching up on that. Speaker 3 (12:30) And Speaker 4 (12:30) now the question is, what the hell are they and what were they for? And I think whereas Christopher Dunn, who's done a great show on Joe Rogan and some other podcasts, would say is it's like a hydrogen power plant, like an energy plant or something, basically. And you say that it's this. chemical manufacturing facility and it deals with Kardashev scales and the ability to do metallurgy, mining, and basic agriculture. Correct. So it's so incredible. And so now we're getting back to the origin story. So go for it. So to Speaker 3 (13:01) clarify the main difference between Christopher Dunn's work and my work, Speaker 4 (13:05) he Speaker 3 (13:06) focuses exclusively on the Great Pyramid. Speaker 4 (13:08) And Speaker 3 (13:08) he's termed himself as a Great Pyramid exclusionist. Speaker 4 (13:12) His Speaker 3 (13:12) work does not address any other pyramids. And he's admitted this as a deficiency of his work because the mechanisms that apply to the Great Pyramid don't apply to any of the other structures. My work starts with the function of stone circles and obelisk structures. passage chamber reactors like Newgrange and other passage chamber systems that are located all around the world. Then moving into the function of the Egyptian pyramids, talking about the Step Pyramid, the Red Pyramid, the Bent Pyramid, the Great Pyramid, and the Central Pyramid as a comprehensive system for the production of various chemicals on an industrial scale. Methane being extracted and produced within the step pyramid, that methane being converted into ammonia within the red pyramid, that ammonia being transformed into either ammonium bicarbonate or urea, similar chemical composition. End product depends on the total temperature and pressure of the reaction. I lean more towards urea now, which is just a solid compound ammonia-based fertilizer. and the pyramids on the Giza Plateau producing sulfuric acid and hydrochloric acid within the Great Pyramid and Central Pyramids, respectively. So it's a comprehensive theory that the Egyptian pyramids are industrial-scale chemical manufacturing plants. Christopher Dunn's theory uses chemicals as the input and power as the output. My theory is the exact opposite, where the input is nature's electricity. And the output itself are industrial Speaker 4 (14:44) chemical commodities. You are kind of as deep in corroborating this theory as anybody in the world. Like you have so much data that you put against it. It's like painstaking. Yeah. And so what's Speaker 3 (14:58) interesting Speaker 4 (14:58) - Speaker 3 (14:58) I appreciate the acknowledgement of that. Speaker 4 (15:00) Oh yeah, of course. No, no, no. And that means a lot coming from you, somebody that's very Speaker 3 (15:05) intentional in scrutinizing the existing evidence for any particular, same thing like we're doing with Biondi, right? Yeah. We want to see the full- the full gamut of all the information. No. Speaker 4 (15:13) And you showed it in that conversation. And also when you've done other podcasts, like my buddy, Danny Jones. Yeah. Shout out, Danny. Shout out, Danny. It's like, he was like, that was the most detailed, like it was like a seven Speaker 3 (15:24) hour thing that, you Speaker 4 (15:26) know, and he was like exhausted by the end of it. Speaker 3 (15:28) So we, we both were, that was, I did. So when I went to Florida, I did a nine hour presentation on Limitless and then did seven hours on Danny's show. And that. Even just doing that is just the tip of the iceberg of the substantiating evidence that I've discovered over the past. So 2017 to 2026, we're talking about nine years of working on this project. I published my book in 2020 and my YouTube channel went public in 2020 also. So in the six years since I went public on YouTube. I have more than 400 research-based episodes presenting meticulous explanation of all the mechanisms of operation that go into the function of all these different structures. And that's been, like you said, kind of one of the biggest objections in the barrier to entry Speaker 4 (16:17) in people getting interested in my work because they don't know where to start. One interesting point that I've heard you make on Danny Jones's podcast is with respect to ammonia and fertilizer. So first off, I think in some ways your theory is actually the most reasonable because it's not this fantastical, oh, we're producing nuclear fusion over unity, free energy for the earth. And Atlantis existed. And like, it was like this infinite abundance sort of, you know, utopia. In your case, you're just saying what is needed for, you know, a Kardashev scale one, you know, civilization, which is a framework. that is very popular around the ability to basically harness the Earth's energy. And so, you know, that is, in this case, especially locally in the Giza Plateau, it would be fertilizer, mining, and metallurgy would be just essential to, like, you know, civilization there. Sure, yeah. And so one interesting connection that I remember hearing you make on Danny Jones is that Fritz Haber, who is responsible for modern fertilization techniques, which is remarkable because he, I mean, he was this Nazi and also responsible for the. deaths of, I believe he was responsible for like mustard gas or Zyklon B or something. That was the reason he committed suicide. There Speaker 3 (17:37) you go. Speaker 4 (17:37) Because Speaker 3 (17:37) his original invention of the industrial scale ammonia synthesis process was later adapted to chemical warfare. Right. So something that he created to make fertilizer for food was eventually taken to the dark side and used to kill. you know, vast amounts of people, which is one of the reasons he committed suicide. Speaker 4 (17:56) Right. It wouldn't have been because mustard gas was World War I. Was it Zyklon B or was it something? Speaker 3 (18:00) I don't know Speaker 4 (18:00) the name of the, it was making ammonium nitrate Speaker 3 (18:04) explosives. Okay. And other, you can certainly make toxic compounds from that. I don't know exactly what the. the weaponized version i think it was ammonium nitrate so a Speaker 4 (18:15) classic case of somebody who is kind of similar to alfred nobel who you know created the nobel prize where it was you know i think it was like dynamite was what he invented you know often inventions are uh liberating freeing and create abundance and simultaneously it's always dual use and often you know weaponizable so So he was inspired by the Red Pyramid. Is that right? So Speaker 3 (18:38) Fritz Haber and Karl Speaker 4 (18:39) Bosch. Speaker 3 (18:40) Karl Bosch is known as the father of electrochemistry. And they were both creating these revolutionary industrial scale chemical synthesis projects in the early 1900s. Both of them traveled extensively in Egypt. It's wild. Yeah. And my hypothesis is that old Fritz Haber, in the same process that I did in investigating the Red Pyramid, reverse engineered the same mechanisms of operation that drive the system. And instead of publishing in a book or unveiling it, he kept the secret and converted it into the industrial process that we now have known as the Haber process to make ammonia. The original apparatus that he created. is three chambers. And for some reason he put the third chamber above when he set this thing up, it's two chambers at ground level and one chamber that's raised above. It's the exact same configuration as the chambers of the red pyramid. There's no technical reason to put that third chamber on a stand, but for some reason he did it. And I think it's an homage. If you look at the side-by-side comparison, I have a slide in here somewhere. You look at the side-by-side comparison, it's, it's, an exact replica of the chambers of the Red Pyramid. And it operates by the same principles of increasing temperature and pressure within the system to facilitate chemical reactions. Speaker 4 (20:01) Yeah. Speaker 3 (20:02) And I'm sure you saw that we made a 1 to 40 scale model of the Red Pyramid and it completely exploded Speaker 4 (20:07) due to the pressure on the inside of this thing. Speaker 3 (20:09) And Speaker 4 (20:10) that was one of the... Do we have any historical evidence? We just, we know he was in Egypt. Do we know that he visited the pyramids per se? No, Speaker 3 (20:17) not specifically. There's no documentation. There's a book that mentions that his original ammonia synthesis project was financed by an Egyptian banker, which I found that was very interesting. They have postcards that were sent from Fritz Haber being dated in Egypt. He had documented traveling to Egypt, but there's no mention specifically of the pyramids. That's just kind of my... You know, I don't want to call it a conspiracy theory, Speaker 4 (20:42) but there's something very unusual about the Speaker 3 (20:44) connection. Speaker 4 (20:44) Because Speaker 3 (20:45) the Speaker 4 (20:45) chambers match one-to-one in certain ways, not even in a functionally adaptive way. You have the chambers matching. unnecessarily almost as if he was copying the pyramid. Yeah. Again, Speaker 3 (20:56) when you look at the original apparatus, the third chamber is on a stand. Speaker 4 (20:59) Yeah. There's Speaker 3 (21:00) no reason for that from a functional perspective and making that work. Yeah. Speaker 4 (21:05) He Speaker 3 (21:05) just set it on a stand because it's elevated above the ground, which is exactly the configuration of the red pyramid. Speaker 4 (21:10) So I want to ask you like a super high level question before diving into all the evidence that the pyramids are chemical manufacturing power plants, which is. Who do you think built the pyramids and when were they built? Because that's the hotly contested thing. And I think that's important before getting into their possible functionality and why they were built. Yeah. Speaker 3 (21:31) So I see a direct evolution in ancient stone technology tracing back to the end of the last ice age, starting with stone circles and passage chamber reactors like Newgrange, which are proto pyramids and basic systems that encapsulate reaction chambers. using simple mechanisms of operation like circulating moist airflow within these reaction chambers to produce chemical reactions. So passage chamber reactors like Newgrange are the first implementation of Earth natural resource utilization technology on the planet built by human beings at the end of the last ice age. in an attempt to rebuild civilization and ensure the proliferation of the human species for generations to come. They were industrial infrastructure projects that brought things like atmospheric nitrate fertilizers and rain to certain areas to promote agriculture. They were manufacturing things like ferrous sulfate, which is kind of a ubiquitous chemical for Soil conditioning, you can use it to produce sulfuric acid. You can use it to render metallic iron. There's a variety of applications, both agricultural and construction material related for ferrous sulfate. And then eventually the Egyptian pyramids were designed starting with the step pyramid that was used for the extraction of bedrock deposits of methane. That methane, so there's a direct connection between subterranean natural resources. telluric currents, and lightning strikes. Speaker 4 (23:07) And Speaker 3 (23:08) often bedrock methane seeps are ignited by lightning, which create these perpetually burning sacred flames. The sacred flame was revered in ancient Middle Eastern religions like the Zoroastrianisms. The oracle at Delphi was a methane seep, a burning methane seep, a lot of which were ignited by lightning. So lightning guided the way for ancient civilizations to find subterranean natural resources like oil and gas and also subterranean deposits of metal ore minerals. So the step pyramid was implemented for the extraction of bedrock methane. And I believe that they were operational between the time period from 8500 BC to around 5300 BC. in a period known as the Saharan Humid Period. So the development of this technology starts around 10,000 BC. We have stone circles, passage chamber reactors. That gradually evolved into the apex execution of the technology in the Egyptian pyramids. Circa 8,500 BC, the construction would have began and they were in Speaker 4 (24:12) operation for about 3,000 years. Speaker 3 (24:14) Wow. Speaker 4 (24:15) Interesting. Speaker 3 (24:16) But this also connects to the Japanese Jomon civilization. So the Jomon in Japan were also building stone circles, passage chamber reactors, and pyramids. In Japan, you saw the episode on the Kuromanta Pyramid. I did. Which is a legitimate, archaeologically documented man-made pyramid that has internal red granite reaction chambers. They GPR scanned it. They did some excavations at the site. 100 % documented. It is a legitimate pyramid. And the Japanese Jomon trace back to around 30,000 BCE. So they lived during the Ice Age. survived the Ice Age, and then around 10,000 BCE, they started building stone circles and similar structures to what we see all over England, all over Japan, implementing the same technology, stone circles, passage chamber reactors, and lightning-powered, lightning and telluric Speaker 4 (25:09) current-powered chemical reactor pyramids. So you almost believe that you have, like, almost a global pattern of these ancient megalithic sites. Correct. And a lot of them are... not only functional, but you can see the development from stone circles, for example, to pyramids. Yes. As far as their ability to kind of harness the Earth's resources. Correct. So the same power source, Speaker 3 (25:35) for example, for stone circles starts with Speaker 4 (25:39) telluric currents. to develop positive charges on the surface of the Earth. What is, just if you break down as many of these things as possible for the eyes, what's a telluric current? Speaker 3 (25:49) Yeah, telluric currents Speaker 4 (25:49) are Speaker 3 (25:49) just Speaker 4 (25:49) electrical Speaker 3 (25:50) currents that move through the crust of the Earth. Speaker 4 (25:53) Okay. Yeah. And so what does a stone circle do with a telluric current? Right. So this Speaker 3 (25:59) also connects to subterranean natural resources like underground springs and these metal ore mineral deposits. So stone circles all over the planet are built on top of underground springs. Speaker 1 (26:11) Same Speaker 3 (26:12) thing is true of the pyramids on the Giza Plateau, and all the structures in Egypt are built on top of subterranean water deposits. This is not pure water. This is mineral-rich spring water, which is very electrically conductive. So these telluric currents in the crust of the earth flow and accumulate more prolifically in areas where there's the subterranean mineral water. These stone circles are built right on top of these subterranean mineral-rich spring water sources, which facilitate the accumulation and flow of telluric currents into the site. Speaker 4 (26:47) So Speaker 3 (26:47) we're accumulating telluric currents within the stone circle system itself. This process develops a positive electrical charge on the surface of the earth. This was documented using electrostatic voltmeters by guys like John Burke in his book, Seed of Knowledge, Stone of Plenty, where he came to the same conclusion about this positive charge on the surface of the earth within stone circles. His proposal is that it was for seed generation. They put seeds within these systems and the forces, the electric field and magnetic forces within these systems were used to manipulate seed DNA. Speaker 4 (27:25) And Speaker 3 (27:26) that lightning was an unintended consequence of this positive field buildup. Speaker 1 (27:30) My Speaker 3 (27:31) hypothesis is the exact opposite, where the positive charge accumulation on the surface of the Earth due to a phenomenon known as dielectric polarization. Right. So stones are not electrically conductive. They're dielectric materials with the capacity for storing an electric field. And dielectric polarization happens in the direction of the current flow. So if the current is flowing up through these subterranean springs, the vector of the electric current flow is going up. So dielectric polarization happens in the direction of the current flow, negative at the bottom, positive at the top. So we're developing a positive charge on the surface of the Earth. Again, documented using electrostatic voltmeters by John Burke. So this positive surface charge. Have you Speaker 4 (28:17) verified that? Speaker 3 (28:18) Have you gone to these Speaker 4 (28:19) sites and used electrostatic voltmeters? We Speaker 3 (28:21) haven't brought electrostatic voltmeters, but we have used magnetometers pretty prolifically at these sites, which is also, so for example, the stones on Oshido Ishii Hill, this huge hill in Japan, has a configuration of andesite stones at the top of this hill. And these andesite stones have a profound magnetic field resonating from the stone due to the magnetite content. So there is a huge magnetic field that emanates from these stones. And it's been corroborated by the researchers at Kumamoto University that have investigated the stones of Oshito Ishii Hill, who actually witnessed these things being struck by lightning on multiple occasions. And I have a picture of this thing if you want to see it in just a second. Speaker 4 (29:04) And would like just for the audience's kind of, you know, basic understanding of this. You mentioned that you got married at Stonehenge. Would that be- Engaged, yeah. Engaged, sorry, at Stonehenge. Would that be an example of this? Yes, correct. It would. Speaker 3 (29:18) It also goes into the composition of the altar stone of Stonehenge using mica. Speaker 4 (29:25) Okay. Speaker 3 (29:26) Right. So the sarsen stones are high silica content sandstone. Speaker 4 (29:31) Then Speaker 3 (29:31) you have blue stones, which come from whales. And then you have the altar stone of Stonehenge, which was the lightning rod, the obelisk. The standing stone and men here all over the planet operate as lightning rods. Okay. Whoa. The earliest implementation of obelisk technology. Yeah. So everything in Egypt is essentially the apex pinnacle execution Speaker 4 (29:52) of ancient stone technology. So cool. Okay. So let me just repeat this back to you so I make sure that I understand this. Yeah, yeah. You have these... sort of proto-megalithic structures, pre-pyramids that are things like stone circles, for example. And they seem to be mineral rich. And often that is concurrent with mineral rich water, spring water. Below the site. Below the site. And then you have, you know, rocks that are often mineral rich as well. And you can use electrostatic volt meters to pick up high electric currents. You can also use magnetometers to pick up high, you know, magnetic activity at these sites. Speaker 1 (30:31) And Speaker 4 (30:31) so they serve as sort of lightning rods occasionally because of this. Yeah, the obelisks. So a lot of the... Because the accumulation Speaker 3 (30:39) of Speaker 4 (30:39) positive charges at the Earth's surface. Yeah, even at the top of an Speaker 3 (30:42) obelisk, a standing stone or menhir, and the Egyptian obelisk being the apex execution of the same technology, you're going to get a positive charge accumulation at the top of that Speaker 4 (30:52) stone. It's just a target. So what is that? For Speaker 3 (30:56) negatively charged cloud to ground lightning. So I'm an ancient Speaker 4 (30:58) human. What does that get me? Why would I care? So let me shout out Speaker 3 (31:02) to Hugh Newman because I wasn't familiar with the work of John Burke until I met with Hugh Newman. It was like two years ago that I did the interview with Hugh and he recommended this book. And I read it on one of our trips to Japan and I'm looking through it. I was like, holy shit. He's talking about all the same things that I documented. He's talking about lightning, although it was an unintended consequence. And it was just kind of validation of the original concept that I had produced regarding this positive charge accumulation. So why did they want lightning to strike in certain areas? Atmospheric nitrate fertilizers. Speaker 1 (31:34) So Speaker 3 (31:35) when lightning strikes, it creates a chemical reaction in the atmosphere that generates atmospheric nitrates. It breaks down the nitrogen molecules, allowing it to more readily react with oxygen. And those water-soluble atmospheric nitrates are brought down in the rain Speaker 4 (31:52) for Speaker 3 (31:53) fertilization. Speaker 4 (31:54) It Speaker 3 (31:54) allowed them to reestablish agricultural areas all over Europe, all over Japan, by using these stone circles that basically cover the entire area. They built them everywhere. Stone circles are all over Europe. They're a Speaker 4 (32:09) ubiquitous feature. It's remarkable. It's like literally using the earth and its own natural power to- For terraforming. For terraforming. Agricultural terraforming. That's incredible. Why does accumulation of positive charges at the earth's surface attract lightning? Speaker 3 (32:23) Yeah. Speaker 4 (32:23) So lightning, cloud Speaker 3 (32:25) to ground lightning, is negatively charged. Speaker 4 (32:27) Okay. So that's what Speaker 3 (32:28) happens during a thunderstorm is you'll get a buildup of negative charges in the atmosphere and in the cloud. You get a positive buildup of charges on the surface and lightning is going to seek the shortest path to ground given this positive charge accumulation that balances out those two opposite charges. It's Speaker 4 (32:45) an Speaker 3 (32:45) electrostatic discharge. Lightning is a giant electrostatic phenomenon. Speaker 4 (32:48) You're making my mind go to all these crazy places. There's this thing called the Baltic Sea Anomaly. Yeah. And you know about this? Yeah, yeah, of course. So I went and visited. And it's in the middle of the Baltic Sea. And it seems like it's like breathing, like water is being sucked in and out of it. It seems like there's like a staircase at one point, a lot of like right angled kind of turns on it, long, straight lines. According to Dennis Asperg, this OceanX Explorer, who's a buddy of mine, it's not attached to the seafloor. So it seems like this artificial structure and there's all this anomalous electromagnetic activity around it. And I believe. Lightning even struck it or struck next to it or something. Speaker 3 (33:27) So Speaker 4 (33:28) maybe that was due to the accumulation of positive charges. And maybe it was one of these ancient terraforming sites for all we know. So there was actually a paper. Speaker 3 (33:35) and Speaker 4 (33:36) a research project Speaker 3 (33:37) by the University of St. Andrews, where they did a geophysical analysis of a stone circle called the Calanish or Calanace stone circle, where they took out geomagnetic sensing equipment and they found the magnetic signature at the center of the stone circle of lightning strikes. Speaker 1 (33:54) They Speaker 3 (33:55) describe it as repeated lightning strikes over a long period of time on the center of this stone circle. So there is academic substantiation. in peer-reviewed research papers. They don't say why. All they say is, hey, there's this big Speaker 4 (34:07) magnetic signature at the center of the stone circle for some sort of ancient ritual. Speaker 3 (34:11) Whoa. So there is academic substantiation for this hypothesis. But I've also addressed the why, not just the fact that it occurred. Speaker 4 (34:19) Yeah, I mean, and then if that in turn produces atmospheric nitrates that allows for agriculture. Speaker 3 (34:25) That's amazing. Well, there's a variety of other applications as well. So during. How Speaker 4 (34:29) would these people, ancient people, we think of this narrative of primitive to progress. Yeah. And this idea that, you know, the enlightenment is only a last four or five hundred years sort of phenomena. How would people in, what are you talking about, pre-10,000 BC in certain cases? Neolithic people. Neolithic people. Neolithic hunter-gatherers, right? How would they know how to essentially. harness the earth to create ag... I mean, we think of them as completely primitive. So Speaker 3 (34:57) a civilization that is a hunter-gatherer civilization doesn't necessarily imply primitive. I would say that they were actually more connected with the earth than we are today, which in, I would say that's a more civilized way to live. I think they had a more profound understanding of the forces at work. within nature and here on the planet than we do today. So again, kind of going to the conversation of Kardashev scale and the utilization of Earth's electricity and natural resources. Today, we do not use Earth's electricity. Speaker 4 (35:29) We Speaker 3 (35:30) manufacture electricity. Hydroelectric dams, we're using water to spin a magnet around to create electricity. Nuclear power. Nuclear power is just a fancy way to boil water, Speaker 4 (35:41) right? Speaker 3 (35:42) That's all it is, Speaker 4 (35:43) right? Speaker 3 (35:44) So we're creating electricity. We're not harnessing Earth's electricity. Speaker 4 (35:47) This Speaker 3 (35:48) ancient civilization, I think, is actually more adept at utilizing the natural electricity from the Earth to create chemical commodities or other agricultural-related products. So how did they discover this technology? So from a Neolithic... hunter-gatherer perspective. You're watching the sky. Clearly, they were studying the sky and atmospheric phenomenon. They had a really in-depth knowledge of the solar system, alignments of planets. They were encoding that into structures like Newgrange and Avebury, which are lunar and tidal trackers. It also tracks conjunctions between the sun, the moon, and the planet Venus. So advanced astrology encoded in all these monuments around the world. They were watching the sky. They would have paid attention to phenomenon like lightning strikes. the most powerful atmospheric event that a Neolithic person could possibly witness. And there's a lot of mythology that connects lightning strikes to deities around the planet. So Susanoo, Baal is the Middle Eastern lightning and fertilizer god. Susanoo is the Japanese lightning and fertilizer god. There's lightning and fertilizer gods, Kukulkan and Quetzalcoatl, also connected to lightning, rain, and fertilizer. So it's encoded in mythology all around the world that these ancient civilizations were paying attention to this phenomenon and connecting it to agriculture. I love talking about Japan because I have a personal affinity for some reason in connection to this Jomon civilization, which the